Why is there a NEED for a strategy?

shutayooface · 2014-03-12T20:05:32+00:00

"...be a genuine person and treat people like people."

And if you are doing that and it still doesn't work, what then? What the BP says to guys that are struggling with dating is that if banging your head against a wall isn't working...bang harder.

autoNFA · 2014-03-12T20:05:38+00:00

False dichotomy. There's nothing mutually exclusive about executing a strategy on the one hand and being genuine and treating people like people on the other.

heist_of_saint_graft · 2014-03-12T20:37:10+00:00

Q: Why use a chess strategy? Why not push the pieces around according to what you feel and hope for the best?

A: Because if we don't use a strategy, we lose against any player who does. Women are already using strategies to get what they want. They know exactly how to attract men, how to behave in order to obtain sex, validation, or resources from them. Yet in our BP society, we men are disarmed and left to pushing those pieces around on the chess board, wondering why those bad Bishops and Knights keep knocking our king down.

sh1v · 2014-03-13T04:47:08+00:00

There are also tons of sites and subs about seduction, dating and relationships that don't include seeing women as children or anything that extreme.

So what's the need for a strategy? Why does it need to be so planned and rehearsed? Why do you need like a Final Fantasy Strategy guide for dating?

Don't these two points kind of contradict each other? I mean if strategy is what you have a problem with, PUA is just as strategical as TRP despite being more optimistic or forgiving towards women.

To me a more useful question is why is there such a taboo against sexual strategy? We form plans and strategies concerning most areas of life. Approaching your goals in a systematic fashion, simply put, helps you achieve them.

I guess a lot of bluepillers feel that trying to systematize or optimize human interactions is inherently degrading. Because everyone is unique. But are you really? Or do you just like feeling like you are? Do you just prefer a world where we treat people like they're unique when in reality everyone shits, eats, works, fucks, dies, and creates an elaborate narrative about why their existence was special and meaningful despite being a speck in a sea of six billion other similar lives.

I'm not against human dignity. But I don't see anything inherently useful about straight up egotism or an inflated sense of how special and different we all are. It's a delusion that's useful to certain moral and social structures, but it doesn't seem to have much basis in truth. Take a certain set of stimuli, it will produce a similar response in a large portion of the population, who will in turn have similar traits. Like gender.

jacks1000 · 2014-03-13T03:00:13+00:00

be a genuine person and treat people like people.

A meaningless, glittering generality.

GaiusScaevolus · 2014-03-13T19:16:17+00:00

In short, because for many men "be yourself" has failed. According to 40k+ men, (and growing), this strategy doesn't work, so many men see the need for a more concerted, purposeful strategy that adapts to the current sexual 'economics' in a way that increases his success.

But further, I think you are missing something. Everyone has a sexual strategy, not just RP men. A man may employ a 'beta/provider' sexual strategy in which he showers his girl with gifts and compliments, catering to her every desire and being an all around Nice Guy. It's not a good sexual strategy, but it is a strategy. Sexual strategy also isn't necessarily conscious, such as the sexual strategy of (most) women, which is extremely passive. Even "be genuine" and "treat people like people" is a (shitty and contrived) sexual strategy.

So, in light of this, it seems your objection to RP sexual strategy is that it is A. Conscious & Deliberate, and B. Deviates from the societal norm (and feminist ideal) of the 'beta provider' strategy.

In retrospect, I lied at the top of this when I led with "In short" Mea culpa.

GayLubeOil · 2014-03-12T23:07:54+00:00

Women don't understand the need for a dating strategy because they are totally passive in the dateing game.

whatsazipper · 2014-03-12T20:12:57+00:00

Why build models? Why create strategies? Why test out different ideas?

These approaches lead to success in a wide range of activities in life - dating included. People who throw up their hands and claim everything is too complex and unique, are free to do that, but they're going to get left in the dust by people who don't.

Kareem_Jordan · 2014-03-13T01:05:17+00:00

While I generally feel the same about The Red Pill, strategies aren't bad. That dating advice that doesn't include seeing women as children, still strategy.

Jet20 · 2014-03-16T23:12:56+00:00

Fake it until you make it is in full effect.

I was terrible with women, so now I pretend I'm some douchebag lady killer. And it works. It works a million times better than any amount of "being myself" and "treating women nicely" (thanks for that advice, Ma) ever did.

Sure it's an fake act, but that fake act is getting easier. I don't know why you think it's a bad thing that men are figuring out more effective ways of picking up women. But I'm not stopping because some males even more beta than me and some women I was never going to get with anyway want me to.

DevilishRogue · 2014-03-13T13:08:25+00:00

Fail to plan, plan to fail.

FortunateBum · 2014-03-13T20:52:37+00:00

Everyone has a strategy. Dating is itself a type of strategy. If you decide to live the rest of your life alone and not pursue sex, that's a strategy (a strategy not to play).

So the question, why do you need a strategy? is non-sensical. Everyone has and employs some type of strategy as regards their genitals.

It's like you're asking, why do people need to plan to eat? It's because we get hungry. So we need to figure out how to put food in our mouths.

be a genuine person and treat people like people

That is the listen-to-your-instincts strategy (which TRP incorporates). Nothing wrong with that, but it becomes problematic in our highly artificial society.

StabbyPants · 2014-03-13T00:17:09+00:00

Why do Red Pillers need a dating strategy?

it works better than not having one. Same with pretty much everything.

AdmiralVonJackass · 2014-03-13T01:33:42+00:00

Strategy and manipulation are tools, they mirror the moral intentions of their users. In life, men negotiate for sex, women negotiate for power. A fool just walks into a negotiation and gives away everything of value they have. Sluts are fools. Male tampons are fools. They don't even realize the highstakes game they are playing. They get cluelessly eviscerated by the wise players.

A wise man gets as much sex as he pleases with minimal resources invested. A flock of male slaves crawl at the heels of a sex goddess; she dispenses just enough hope to keep their bribes and favors coming in.

If you don't even accept that high level players are conning fools in the world of sex, I would suggest you casturate yourself. The temporary pain will be nothing compared to the long term agony that you will avoid.

such-a-mensch · 2014-03-13T18:38:38+00:00

If you fail to plan, you plan to fail.

-Benjamin Franklin

40Watts · 2014-03-12T20:59:19+00:00

Without a strategy you will not improve and you will get the same results as before.

IIHotelYorba · 2014-03-13T02:07:36+00:00

Let's put this to bed. Everyone has a strategy/plan, no matter what your goals in dating are.

Guides and planning/rehearsal are for people trying to learn something they're unfamiliar with.

cascadecombo · 2014-03-13T00:30:13+00:00

So what's the need for a strategy? Why does it need to be so planned and rehearsed? Why do you need like a Final Fantasy Strategy guide for dating?

it's not really planned and rehearsed. first off people focus on self improvement, which naturally attracts a mate. then trp talks about not doing what society has been cramming down our throats, things such as disney, romatic movies, comedies, and instead encourages people to act like men. the kind of men we see in manly movies, who actually make the viewer want to respect them (for an example) vs lets say, the husband from king of queens, who is a bumbling oaf in that series.

yasee · 2014-03-13T22:30:52+00:00

They probably don't all need a dating strategy, but many people (inside and outside TRP) can benefit from working on their social skills and being intentional with their interactions. It's self-improvement, and it's not an inherently bad thing.

Thai_Hammer · 2014-03-13T02:46:07+00:00

Hey Thai_Hammer:

How's your dating life going? Are you happy with your results?

rulenumber303 · 2014-03-12T23:56:58+00:00

My purple opinion...

Some of them are good at tactics and are focusing on strategy to complete their mastery of dating, pickup, whatever you call it. But many of them focus so much on strategy because they are total fuckups at tactics. They are playing to their strengths, or at least to their areas of least weakness. Hence the annoyance whenever they ask for dating help and get told it all depends on the specifics of the people and the situation. That's not the news they want to hear.

Whether any of it is really needed well idk. Nobody really needs to date or to have sex in the same way they need to breathe, eat or sleep. More of a want, really. They could get over that if they wanted to, they could get better at tactics if they wanted to, they choose to work on strategy instead. Their lives, their choices.

masterrod · 2014-03-13T17:50:13+00:00

Strategy isn't needed.

Either you learn how to deal with women on your own, and you will develop an organic strategy.

Or you can go to Red pill school or learn some PUA to learn how to get with or be with women that your organize strategy ceases to work on.

SigmaMu · 2014-03-14T09:22:39+00:00

Well if you want to cook an egg for the first time, what is the better approach:

A) trial and error with different water temperatures and boiling times, possibly get food poisoning

B) look it up in a cooking book, boil perfect egg on your first try

B saves you a lot of time and eggs.

[deleted] · 2014-03-21T04:32:03+00:00

You need a Final Fantasy strategy guide for dating because it's a game. Blue Pillers are just popping their quarters in and losing on the first level hoping they get lucky and beat the first boss.

But in all seriousness, the dating market is so competetive that it seems most women just won't give you the time of day if you fuck up even once, depending on how interested they are of course...so why not place a strategy that gauges and tries to raise interest? Sounds better to me than just winging it and bein BP like I did for a long time. Works better too.

Archwinger · 2014-03-13T17:47:52+00:00

"Strategy" is really kind of an amorphous word. Everybody who goes out into the world attempting to get what they want has a strategy of some kind. That doesn't necessarily mean they've pre-planned and rehearsed every single possible conversational outcome. They could just have a general gameplan for an encounter, be it with an interviewer for a job, their boss when asking for a raise, or a girl at a bar.

Something as simple as, "I'm just going to go out, meet and talk to people, not care what happens, banter and flirt gregariously with girls if they're close enough (even though I'm usually shy, reserved, and worried sick about overstepping and being disrespectful), and be kind of aloof and disinterested, all without caring what the hell happens and just having fun -- because my old way of doing things that involved complementing girls, buying them drinks, and being super-nice hoping I'd get a date next weekend has been sucking royally and not getting me anywhere." That's a strategy. It's not some "evil, insidious, predatory" pick-up-artist routine, where I walk up with my cheat-sheet of crap girls say and what my witty response will be in each instance. It's just a strategy some dudes on the internet recommended that seems a lot more successful than being my genuine, respectful, nice guy self and hoping a girl will see how wonderful I am and want to date me.

Title	Why is there a NEED for a strategy?
Author	Thai_Hammer
Upvotes	12
Comments	138
Date	March 12, 2014 7:48 PM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
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