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Upper class men marry educated women

December 15, 2022
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Hi RedPill Ladies. This is a throwaway account and I thought before I deleted it in a few days, I'd share some wisdom with you. I'm 30 years old, and have been married since I was 25 to a man who is now the part owner of a Wall Street financial firm and is the grandson of a successful real estate developer. I have a son with him and I am currently a stay at home mother living in a wealthy suburb of southern Connecticut. I'm not saying any of this stuff as a flex. But I realize that many women want to get married and have kids, preferably with a wealthy man so I wanted to talk about my experience. In the context of this post, the term "uneducated" will refer to anything lower than a Bachelor's degree. I do not think people who don't have these academic credentials are stupid or uneducated in a way that would make the illiterate, so please don't take it that way. This post is probably the most beneficial for the college-aged girls in here, but I think it still can be useful if you are older. I will be talking about money, class and education but do not think I'm talking down to anyone else less fortunate than I am, I simply want to tell you what I've been through so please don't take any offense. Some of this advice might be regional as upper class types don't live everywhere, but I can only give you the info that I know. 

I fell down a bit of a red pill dating advice rabbit hole last night on youtube and while I consider myself to be rather conservative, I couldn't help but disagree with the narrative that was being pushed around education. Most of the hosts or guests of these shows including The Purple Pill Podcast and Just Pearly Things had negative things to say around women being educated post high school. To me, this indicates to me that they are threatened by women learning things or they are not from the upper middle or upper class of American (or British) society. (And no, simply having a decent amount of money or something like a successful farm does not put you in this category). 

I'm from the upper middle class, went to private grade school and then a private college in New York City while living on the Upper East Side. My husband is from a higher social standing than me and there is no way I would have stood a chance if I wasn't educated (I was in the process of getting my degree while he was starting out at the firm would one day own part of). He told me that a college degree was a necessity for his future wife because he wanted someone who was intellectually his equal or who could at least hold a conversation about high brow topics. Furthermore, it is embarrassing in uppercrust circles to have a wife who is not educated. Sure, a guy might show off his hot model girlfriend but she most likely won't be his wife (and if she is, she'll be an ex wife soon enough). These types of people love to show off their degrees and name drop their alma maters. If you can't do that you simply don't fit in.

One of his colleagues married a woman who was a bartender because she is very attractive but in the area where we live, people talk about her like she has a scarlet A on her chest. She is loud, uncloth, covered in cake face makeup, wears stripper-like clothes even though she is over 40, and basically has none of the traits favored by the upper class. This clash has strained their marriage and even has caused problems for their kids at school since they get made fun of for their mother being so clearly out of the place. So even if you do get the guy based on looks alone, it won't be smooth sailing for you if you can't adopt the social traits of his class. Also mothers of the men you are interested in in this set will have college degrees and will not like to see a daughter in law less educated than they are. 

So no, getting a college degree is not going to price you out of the dating market, it could even help you move up the social ladder. 

However, just getting a degree is not going to land you a wealthy husband. Here is how to increase your chances of getting an uppercrust man (if you are not from the upper class yourself) in college or shortly after based on my personal experience and the experience of women in my social circle. 

  1. Don't go into debt willy nilly to get the degree. Instead, go to community college for 2 years and then transfer in your junior year. Don't whine about wanting the classic college experience or not getting to post TikToks of your acceptance letter. That won't matter when you're single in your 30s or your future husband doesnt want to take on the debt even if he could afford it. It is easier to get accepted into any college as a transfer than as a freshman as long as you are in good academic standing at your prior school. When you graduate, you get the same degree as everyone else but for half the price. If you do have a scholarship or your parents did have their act together enough to have a college fund for you, of course use it but don't take on 200k loans just because. 
  2. Be smart about your major. Don't do the arts or the humanities. Take it from me, I'm an English major. It did help me impress some of these upper class people because of my knowledge of classic literature but overall, not a good investment. If you have a passion or side interest, let that be your minor instead. Chances are the more practical majors like business, economics, math etc,. will have more men in it. That statistically ups your chance of meeting a guy regardless of status instead of my english classes that had like 3 guys in them and most of them were gay. In these classes, don't be a pushy competitive asshole. I've seen girls shout down/speak over professors and students alike because they HAD to be viewed as the smartest one in the room. Nothing says third wave feminism like this. It's off putting and annoying to everyone in the room. No one wants to get with the girl that got into a heated debate with them in class and then glouted when they won. And no, I'm not saying play dumb and keeo quiet. Answer the profs questions, do the assignments, get good grades, just don't be a dominating loud mouth. 
  3. Make friends with kids from upper class families. No, I'm not saying follow the trust fund baby around like a puppydog. But don't be afraid to network and not just make friends. Even if you have no real "old money" in your college, finding a kid with successful parents who own businesses is always a plus for a potential future career. If you make friends with rich girls, they can introduce you to their brother, cousin, family friend etc., who might be a good match for you once they can trust you and welcome you into their inner circle. If you're making friends with a wealthy boy, don't sleep with him (or any guy) or do any sexual acts with him unless he is giving you a commitment. Rich guys are used to women being easily impressed and allowing themselves to be used for the privilege of having a rich lifestyle for a few weeks or months. Make it clear you are not one of those girls in how you carry yourself, speak, act etc. Obviously, if these kids are awful abusive people who disrespect you, don't hang out with them even for the social opportunities that come with them. (And for you reading, no most rich people aren't awful people. It is not a given that they will treat you badly. In my life, lower status men have treated me worse than any rich person I've encountered). If no romantic relationships come out of embedding yourself in the rich kid circle, a career opportunity might exist since many of their families are well connected. If they like you and trust you, they will open doors for you. Getting a good internship or job out of school in a place where there are more wealthy people working will help you meet a higher class husband and provide for yourself in the meantime. 
  4. Don't be a crazy party girl. Even if they like to go wild, always be more sober and more in control than they are. Not only does this keep you from sleeping with anyone before commitment but it makes you look better in their eyes because you aren't some lush falling down the stairs at the end of the night. 
  5. Learn about the interests and lifestyles of the upper class. I'm mostly talking about old money here so things like horseback riding, classic cars, sailing, tennis, golf, etc. are things upper class people do or have experience in. Even if you can't afford lessons in those areas, just do some basic googling, especially if you have found the guy you're interested in likes those things or his family does. Knowing the basics and some fun facts about the topics or hobbies he likes will set you apart. My husband loves (and now collects classic cars). He told me most women would gloss over when he talked about cars on dates and change the topic back to the Kardashians (this literally happened). I have had a passive interest in classic American muscle cars so when I told him my dream car is a refurbished 1969 mustang convertible, it set me apart from the other girls from our first or second date. 
  6. Have a career or interests outside of just being a wife and mother but don't go full boss babe. Wanting to be nothing but a wife and mother can be a bit off putting for these guys. They want you to be there to raise the kids and take care of the house when the time comes but if you're in your 20s and you have nothing going on in your life because you're waiting for a man to make you a wife, he is gonna pass. He is also gonna pass if you're busy focusing on your career, bragging about how you don't need a man, and having casual flings until you're 35. Be interesting and provide for yourself until you don't have to but don't make it more important than your future as a wife and mother. 
  7. Look for husband material while you're still in college even if you have to look off campus. Don't completely freak out around fertility. I've seen girls on here and other subreddits worried about their fertility at age 18-22. Girls relax, don't put that much pressure on yourself. Unless you have some gynecological condition, you don't need to panic at this age. However, you can still use your youth to your advantage at this time. If you're wife material at 19-25 years old (even if you don't get married right away) you still have a huge advantage over the girls going through their "I just want to have fun" hoe phase. Wealthy men of all ages want younger women. If you look for husband material now while putting in the work to be wife material, you're increasing your odds of getting married and having kids sooner than women your age. Don't let your college years or your 20s be for "just finding yourself". You don't get a decade of your life to do whatever, that's a modern myth. If there is no one in your school who is what you're looking for, try other colleges or even men who are out of their college years who work nearby, especially in higher end jobs. Again, you're not going to get these guys for anything real by dressing slutty and partying with them. You have to play the long game, adopt the social manners, values, and cues of the upper class and not waste your time on men who are wasting your time. 

For women older than college years and may even be in their 30s. There are older men in these social classes who are divorced and looking for a second wife. While it may not be everyone's dream to have a man with an ex wife, you can use these same lessons to get into their good graces because many of them are good providers. 

None of this is meant to say you should turn down a good, loving, stable man who happens to be a middle or working class. If he loves you and provides you a stable life even if it isn't fancy, that is amazing and you shouldn't shoot that down for the chance of something better. A man who loves you and is loyal to you is far more valuable than a guy with a large bank account. I'm just saying if you want to social climb like I did and some of the women I know, use your education, knowledge of interests related to him and his family and poised demeanor to indicate you are worthy of commitment and fit in with his social class. 

(Side note, don't listen to a word Andrew Tate says. There are very few old money wall street guys who actually know who he is and those who do make fun of him. He is a new money scam artist who won't actually help women (or men) find happiness in their relationships or stable streams of income.) 

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Title Upper class men marry educated women
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Date December 15, 2022 7:18 PM UTC (11 months ago)
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[–]LeicaRedEye 27 points28 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I agree to some extent with the OP, she has a point. However not everyone has the same opportunities to come from money, be in good private schools, to continue with an expensive post graduate, and get to know these people from inside their circle. In that case you work twice as hard to educate yourself more than average.

Personally I met my husband at work, I studied finance, and worked in finance. I didn't go to a private school, my dad had a mediocre government job, and my family was in debt, nothing fancy.

Husband graduated from the 2nd most prestigious private school in our city, Ivy League education, musical prodigy as a child, good job, old family with some influence. Of course he had a huge circle of people, tons of colleagues or old classmates that he could choose from. Why did he choose me? Sure I'm good looking, intelligent and educated. But I was not from his circle.

The world is full of beautiful and educated women btw.

So the way I see it you have to stand out about something. You have to leave a good impression that will last. I found my niche (that I personally enjoyed) and it was art, cinema, architecture, history and politics. I have the natural talent of an almost photographic memory and whatever I read I can remember. So easily enough I had extended knowledge of these matters at an age very few people do. It impressed my company, my bosses who were also very much into art, it impressed my husband, his friends, and his family as well as their friends. My mother in law was extremely proud to parade me around in functions and introduce me to people because I would easily start a conversation about Yasujirō Ozu, the May 1968 protests in Paris, or socialist realism architecture in Havana, speaking 4 languages, while ALSO being 23, in finance and good looking. Meanwhile her friend's sons had either very boring or inappropriate girlfriends, or worse ... they were divorcing. And this is another tip from me. Impress the dowagers, and you are in.

My husband's best friend also married a bartender, and sure enough she didn't last. She was pretty and fun, but still not enough. Being a demure pretty little thing will not cut it in these circles. You have to be able to compete with people who had the privilege to study and travel without the burden of survival.

So don't just get educated, but find a niche that will make you stand out, and impress the people you want to impress.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good advice especially around finding your niche!

[–]free_breakfast_Endorsed Contributor 16 points17 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Good post, I enjoyed your writing on developing girl game around entering into different socio-economic circles.

If you can make another alternate account that is your permanent main, consider keeping these posts around so it can help benefit and grow the community.


One quick note on learning about 'Red Pill Dating Advice' from random youtubers like Just Pearly Things, Andrew Tate, Fresh and Fit, etc. etc.:

I fell down a bit of a red pill dating advice rabbit hole last night on youtube and while I consider myself to be rather conservative, I couldn't help but disagree with the narrative that was being pushed around education.

Most of the hosts or guests of these shows including The Purple Pill Podcast and Just Pearly Things had negative things to say around women being educated post high school.

These contemporary 'Red Pill' speakers are not the original thinkers or writers who built the last 10+ years of this dating praxeology.

This is our forums moderator, /u/pearlsandstilettos, thoughts on these social media grifters that are passing themselves off as the authoritative voices on what was written and thought about a decade earlier.

Much of RP thought has been watered down and neutered. Instead of telling men (and women) how to have solid relationships or better themselves, these creators are adding to the divisions that they lay at the feet of feminism. It is outrage content and not worth anything beyond entertainment (if you are into that sort of thing).

The best of the red pill shows us what we have to work on in ourselves and helps us to understand our partners. Shows like this and like Fresh & Fit don't do that. If you want content, go back to the old blogs when smart people were developing new content. What exists now is facile and NOT created to make YOUR life better.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Wow I'm glad you liked it. I just went back and deleted some more personal posts around a medical condition I have that I didn't want out there on the internet for long, maybe I'll keep this account around. I'm also considering starting a website or blog or something about red pill dating. I've been coaching my single friends of both genders for the last 2 years and they've had some good successes and think I have a talent for dating advice. One even sent me steaks in the mail as a thank you after a really successful date lol.

I'm glad the community on here is critical of the red pill grifters in social media. I could write a book on what they're doing wrong with their advice they dole out.

[–]free_breakfast_Endorsed Contributor 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

maybe I'll keep this account around.

It's best, if you're going to be around for awhile, to keep an exclusive RPW account handle.

A lot of our mods, endorsed contributors, and other writers keep a RPW specific account to not have identifiable information for potential saboteurs who visit the subreddit with a chip on their shoulder to potentially harm you IRL or just to keep some personal privacy from people that might know you from your daily life.

Deleted information on this throwaway can still be doxxed with webscrapers that crawl reddit and build internet archives as well as information that you can pull from reddits API.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh I didn't know that! Yeah, I might make a different one in a few weeks when I have more time post holidays. But this will be up for at least a few weeks. I might repost it there and downplay some of the aspects of my wealth because people like to target richer people because they either hate capitalism or want to get money out of them.

This is my 1st red pill post but I've made a few other red pill comments and I notice that within the 1st few minutes they always get downvoted before they get voted up. Is that a bunch of feminists just waiting in the wings wanting to download anything that they disagree with?

[–]free_breakfast_Endorsed Contributor 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is that a bunch of feminists just waiting in the wings wanting to download anything that they disagree with?

It's just an internet thing.

It takes time, effort, and investment to build rapport with the community, but you have to remember that the forum is open to everyone.

You'll encounter: mods, ECs, founders, TRP endorsed members, women who are starting their RPW journey, but also random men and women from purplepilldebate, femaledatingstrategy, and other places who come on the forum with combativeness, arguments, and random downvotes.

[–]Mission_Honeydew_597 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you chose to keep your account around I’ll love to see the blog you create when you post it. Im still new to this and seeing where I can use the advice/strategies in my life. While I’m currently getting my second BA In International Business I don’t really care for the degree in itself anymore. I’m more of a dreamer so I don’t know if that appeals to left brained upper echelon men but I’ll still love to read success stories/advice.

[–]Anonymous_fiend2 Stars 14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

UMC marry educated while UC marry into good families/within their social network (which is educated but also more elusive). Family background and who you associate with are important for UC. Marrying into UC isn't a realistic goal unless you have family ties into that lifestyle. It's extremely hard to socially climb into the UC unless coming from UMC. It's not just what you know it's who you know. Your network is everything.

Women typically marry in their class or slightly above. Going from MC to UC through marriage is typically done by UMC to LUC by a pretty educated woman. Even then, you'd have to learn how to act in UC society. Your social graces reflect on others more. Not fitting in will impact your family, marriage, and kids.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I didn't say this is something everyone can do because of course UC and UMC families gatekeep. But even old families are becoming more modern and liberal and less strict about who can marry in so there's more opportunity now than there was 30 or more years ago. But I didn't want to see women put themselves at a disadvantage by passing up a degree because idiots on youtube or tiktok say men don't want an educated woman. Not getting that degree could make certain men from certain classes value you less. This idea that men are turned off by women with an education is largely a myth that I wanted to address.

[–]OmarNBradley 14 points15 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Be smart about your major. Don’t do the arts or the humanities. Take it from me, I’m an English major. It did help me impress some of these upper class people because of my knowledge of classic literature but overall, not a good investment.

Hello, I’m 48 years old and have been married for over 20 years to an upper class man who is the scion of a wealthy family that made its money in steel many generations ago. I’m a working class girl whose great grandfather probably worked in one of those mills before heading back to New England, and I am here to tell you that one of the reasons he married me is that I am familiar with art and literature and classical music. Upper class families care about these things; STEM and business are middle and upper middle class and not UC.

Most of your advice is good, if a woman is interested in marrying a UMC man with a lot of money. The American generational upper class is elusive and nearly invisible and their preferences are not the same as those of the UMC. Realistically, high-earning UMC is the best the vast majority of women can hope for, and it’s pretty damned good, as you yourself can attest. I had no idea how UC my husband was until we had been married for over a decade. It was a fluke that we happened to work together and I would never advise any woman to do what I did in hopes of finding a UC unicorn and marrying him.

My degrees are in history, by the way, and I have never had a problem finding highly paid work. Being raised working class, I never had any expectation that anybody else would support me. My husband majored in English and has a passion career teaching at-risk students. His great grandfather had a great love for the classics, and to this day there is a classics prize with his name on it, awarded annually to students at the top-shelf boarding school from which they all graduated.

[–]Cosima_Fan_Tutte 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I am here to tell you that one of the reasons he married me is that I am familiar with art and literature and classical music. Upper class families care about these things; STEM and business are middle and upper middle class and not UC.

Hey, omarnbradley, nice to see you here, you always talk sense.

I'm merely middle middle class, but I learned from Paul Fussel's book Class (so highly recommended for the pilled crowd!) that upper classes really do appreciate the "impractical" arts and things with a whiff of antiquity. For example, having your child take fencing lessons or learning to play the viola de gamba.

The focus on making money and practicality are indeed middle class (as are most red pill influencers, at least the OG guys).

[–]OmarNBradley 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I think it has to do with how really truly invisible the UC is. Fussel calls them "top out of sight" and they really really really are. When I first met my husband I thought he was a nice middle class dude; the truth was revealed to me over a period of several years.

lol I remember when my FIL mentioned that his grandparents had been invited to (and attended) Elizabeth II's coronation. I stared at him and remarked that his grandparents were pretty fancy. He immediately demurred and said that they weren't that fancy. If you asked that man he would tell you that he's middle class.

[–]-Acta-Non-Verba- 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't disagree with you, but most people don't have a guarantee that they will marry into UC. Since it is far more likely that people won't, following the advice she suggested is still valuable.

[–]OmarNBradley 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I concur. I just wanted to differentiate between the generational upper class and the UMC, as the OP states that her advice is for both. It is not.

[–]mindyourown_biz 23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Although I’m older than your target audience (I’m 27), this was a fantastic read! Incredibly insightful and I wish I knew these things earlier. I’ll keep pushing 😊

[–]jaydeke1 points [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link

The marriages I know that most closely resemble the RPW “ideal” all involve women with graduate degrees, some from very prestigious schools.

[–]Ok_Obligation_61101 Star 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Totally agreed! Most if not all of the SAHW I know have some sort of graduate degree or went to a prestigious school and met their husbands in similar fields. The people who you’d think would be very blue pilled living very red pill lives.

[–]babyurmyqt314 3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Dang my community college associates isnt good enough for anyone is it?!😉

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's a step in the right direction and you didn't pay full price for those 2 years so it's not all bad

[–]babyurmyqt314 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Heck yeah :)

[–]jaydeke1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Not quite what I was getting at but still, an associates degree is better than no degree! You can always go back for more later if you want.

[–]babyurmyqt314 -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’ll let you know before i do so you can buy a lottery ticket lol

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep. My MIL has a masters from an Ivy and she has a great marriage with her husband.

[–]-Acta-Non-Verba- 32 points33 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Great advice, OP.

Let me add one: Don't get tattoos. When the dating app The League first came out, it caught my attention as an app that limited itself to Ivy League grads or people with higher degrees. I spent some time browsing there.

I was struck by how NOT ONE WOMAN that I saw had any visible tattoos. This was when tattoos were already very popular, so to see a whole app with tattoo-free women was surprising.

I am married now, but if my wife dropped dead today and I had to look for another partner, I would very much look for someone with a similar earning potential as mine. I earn in the 6-figure range. That would mean someone with a valuable, practical education, maybe even a grad degree.

Accomplished guys are not looking for Rapunzel, looking pretty but not doing much with her life. We look for a person like us, and that means someone with an education and achievements.

PS- I too started my Engineering degree at the local Community College.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes this! I don't have any tattoos and neither do any of the women I know who married up. In my area, the wealthy families are either protestant or Jewish and neither community looks favorably on tattoos. My in-laws would be horrified if I had one, especially if it was large and visible.

[–]babyurmyqt3141 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Are you also jewish? Just asking bc of your avatar!

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No I'm catholic, married to a Jewish man. My avatar is random, lol.

[–]VasiliyZaitzevTRP Senior Endorsed 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't get tattoos.

Correct. That disrupts our "male gaze" we look for symmetry and tattoos are jarring to the male eye. We will register this at least subconsciously.

[–]Cosima_Fan_Tutte 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I appreciate this post, since red pillers either ignore social class altogether or think it doesn't matter. For people who like this post, I highly recommend Paul Fussel's book Class, which covers social class in America in a very funny and biting way.

It sounds to me, though, that class markers are important, really more so than education/ intelligence itself. (Do young guys really care that much about having intelligent conversations with women??? I don't believe it, but they may value the appearance of intelligence as a class marker.)

I always thought that the case of Leandra Medine was a great example of the value of social class. Medine created a whole girl boss persona/media brand with her Man Repeller site. Here's a woman who's not conventionally attractive, to put it mildly, and created a brand out of dressing to repel men, lol! But she's from a rich New York family and married another rich NY finance guy (family friend, I think) and leads a lifestyle that a lot of women here would kill for!

[–]sunglasses903 Stars 19 points20 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Totally agree. Education is an expectation of most people who are educated and come from educated families. Educated families are wealthier especially if they have been educated for a long time (multiple generations). If you want to marry into these families there are expectations that you can “fit in”.

There are also studies that indicate that a higher educated mother is beneficial to children’s intelligence. This makes sense because kids spend a lot of time with mom so the better her vocabulary and ability to teach concepts the better for the kid that is exposed to that especially at a young age.

Totally agree though. Unfortunately a lot of women are scammed in my opinion into very long degrees that are very expensive that don’t pay well (e.g physical therapy doctorates and such that cost over six figures, but pay $80k average) social work is another one. Teaching is another.

I’m marrying into upper middle class society. I’m glad I have my CPA because I have to hold my own against my sister/bro In laws who owns multiple tech businesses. We go to country club events, charity events, and even embassy events and it’s a whole different world. This is the north, so casual conversation is always about your work and where you’ve lived even for women.

The other reason good education (and when I say good I mean good investment eduction, not a useless degree) is important is because IF the worst should happen and something does happen in your marriage (abuse, death, disability) you have something to fall back on and don’t end up on charity/welfare or can’t take care of your kids. I’ve seen too many poor women in my own family stuck in abusive relationships because they can’t afford to leave. Prior to the ACA you couldn’t even get health insurance if you didn’t have a husband or a job that provided it (which was near 100% of service or part time jobs). So if you were sick or had any type of illness you really couldn’t leave. Luckily that has changed now.

[–]-Acta-Non-Verba- 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Great insights. The truth is there are degrees that are hardly worth it. I call them JAG degrees- Just Another Guy. You don't want to be Just Another Guy with a degree in psychology or English or so on, basically replaceable by a hundred other candidates. You want to have learned a hard skill that pays well: Nursing, Engineering, Accounting, STEM in general... or have done a serious pre-law or pre-medical science, with concrete plans to go on to grad school.

I tell people: Choose how much you want to earn. Figure out what careers pay that much and are appealing to you. Select the career, and find out what schools will teach that.

Don't do what most people do: Choose a school, THEN browse around for a while to see what major you might want to do.

Salary>Career/major>School that will give you that major.

[–]sunglasses903 Stars 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely agree. I did this and it worked well. I knew I wanted to earn at least $40-50k starting out (this was 10 years ago). My dreams were to have a nice apartment/townhome and be independent so I needed at least that much. Therefore I chose accounting. Starting salary 43k. 8 years later I’m at 123k. I love my job and the money is very good. Knowing the ROI is especially important when you’re borrowing money for a degree which I had to so paying the loans off quickly was important to me. I paid off $61,000 in debt ($50k student loans and $11k car) in about 4 years. I was completely debt free at 26. Met my now fiancé at 28. I’m so glad I’m not bringing any debt into this marriage. It also means I can move to part time or quit my job if needed to raise children.

I’ve seen so many horror stories where the wife has a masters and $100k in debt and then wants to be a stay at home mom. It’s like things are hard enough just to pay basic bills on one income right now, let alone pay $1,000/month for a degree you’re not even using. It causes a lot of strife. Just don’t do it. Have a good career and financial plan.

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For those who are harping on my anti humanities or arts majors stance, I'm speaking in generalizations. Of course it's possible to have those majors and have a good career but if you aren't being smart about it, many people with these majors later regret it and find it didn't help them earn the way a STEM or business major would have. Here's my proof. The Washington post lists the most regretted majors and in a twist shocking no one, humanities and arts are the most regretted: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/09/02/college-major-regrets/

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As someone who went back to school for a second degree because I wasn't earning enough to provide for my family, I could not agree with you more.

I got a Mechanical Engineering degree, did well enough that I qualified for a job program that also paid for my masters in Nuclear Engineering.

The first degree doubled what I was previously making. The second one tripled it.

[–]OmarNBradley 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My point was that a humanities degree serves as social proof for the UC. My husband would never allow our children to major in “business.” Your English degree probably has more to do with your gaining entree to that world than you give it credit for.

[–]tehreemamir113 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Would you say that majors in the medical field are a better option similar to a STEM or business major?

[–]Thiccsmartie 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

The best way to meet a doctor… is to study medicine.The best way to meet a lawyer…. Is to study law. People hangout and marry within their social and friend circle. So the best way to marry a high earning educated men is to be a woman in that circle. Some men may say it’s not important to them. Alright that doesn’t matter though . People meet and date the ones they hangout most with. I am currently working on my PhD. All my friends have at least masters degrees. My female doctor friends…. Are in relationships with other doctors etc. I m a scientist…. My boyfriend is a scientist with a PhD. It’s not hard to understand the logic behind it.

[–]Over-Designer4994 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Sorry I know this is old but-

Do ever see like doctor guys marrying like plastic Barbie doll types? I feel like I see that more than I see them marrying other doctors but perhaps my experience is limited

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Have never seen that before. Maybe doctors in Miami or so. All my doctor friends are also in a relationship with another doctor. Sure maybe they slept with a barbie doll before. But they are not gonna marry them as they would be looked down by their peers.

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Very good to know thanks! Maybe my circle is unnecessarily skewed

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So I have a question: for those of us who could not afford a degree, but still are very capable of intelligent discussion on high brow topics and still have accomplishments (like publishing a book), does that help?

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Yes it definitely helps. Anything that makes it seem like you've had a traditional education is a big help.

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Most people marry those from similar socioeconomic backgrounds. All of my guy friends have partners with similar backgrounds and pedigrees; people bond through shared experience + community. Kind of weird IMO to “learn about” golf, sailing etc. if you can’t actually afford to partake in those hobbies.

Also, disagree with your take on humanities majors. If from a top school, a humanities degree can feed into the most prestigious career paths, such as medicine, law, finance, or consulting, and be a great differentiator for various graduate programs. Advising women to choose majors that will “have more men” is pretty pathetic and sad.

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Tell me why you think that it is pathetic or sad? I'm not saying only pick it for men. If you are awful at math, don't do that as a major, but don't be a dance major and complain about not meeting many straight men in class or in your work. If you have a very clear plan for what you'd do with a humanities degree then that's an exception but most of the girls I went to school with just picked a humanities or art major because it was fun or interesting or "easier" than other topics. They didn't really think it through, and their career is kinda all over the place.

It's not kind of weird to give yourself a basic understanding of things that carry cultural capital in the social class you're trying to get into. For example, you can watch golf on TV without having the skill to play it so even if you can't swing a club to save your life, you'll know the basic terms and some popular players names and come off as more interesting or well rounded than some one who can't carry a conversation on the topic. It's not just for courting men you'd into either. Higher ups in a company can have those kinds of hobbies so it can make you seem more well rounded or relatable to them. Men, generally, like to teach things to women they like, so saying I've been interested but never learned, can you teach me is a good in.

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Argue politely. The comment is removed until you take out the insults.

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Title: Upper class men marry educated women

Full text: Hi RedPill Ladies. This is a throwaway account and I thought before I deleted it in a few days, I'd share some wisdom with you. I'm 30 years old, and have been married since I was 25 to a man who is now the part owner of a Wall Street financial firm and is the grandson of a successful real estate developer. I have a son with him and I am currently a stay at home mother living in a wealthy suburb of southern Connecticut. I'm not saying any of this stuff as a flex. But I realize that many women want to get married and have kids, preferably with a wealthy man so I wanted to talk about my experience. In the context of this post, the term "uneducated" will refer to anything lower than a Bachelor's degree. I do not think people who don't have these academic credentials are stupid or uneducated in a way that would make the illiterate, so please don't take it that way. This post is probably the most beneficial for the college-aged girls in here, but I think it still can be useful if you are older. I will be talking about money, class and education but do not think I'm talking down to anyone else less fortunate than I am, I simply want to tell you what I've been through so please don't take any offense. Some of this advice might be regional as upper class types don't live everywhere, but I can only give you the info that I know. 

I fell down a bit of a red pill dating advice rabbit hole last night on youtube and while I consider myself to be rather conservative, I couldn't help but disagree with the narrative that was being pushed around education. Most of the hosts or guests of these shows including The Purple Pill Podcast and Just Pearly Things had negative things to say around women being educated post high school. To me, this indicates to me that they are threatened by women learning things or they are not from the upper middle or upper class of American (or British) society. (And no, simply having a decent amount of money or something like a successful farm does not put you in this category). 

I'm from the upper middle class, went to private grade school and then a private college in New York City while living on the Upper East Side. My husband is from a higher social standing than me and there is no way I would have stood a chance if I wasn't educated (I was in the process of getting my degree while he was starting out at the firm would one day own part of). He told me that a college degree was a necessity for his future wife because he wanted someone who was intellectually his equal or who could at least hold a conversation about high brow topics. Furthermore, it is embarrassing in uppercrust circles to have a wife who is not educated. Sure, a guy might show off his hot model girlfriend but she most likely won't be his wife (and if she is, she'll be an ex wife soon enough). These types of people love to show off their degrees and name drop their alma maters. If you can't do that you simply don't fit in.

One of his colleagues married a woman who was a bartender because she is very attractive but in the area where we live, people talk about her like she has a scarlet A on her chest. She is loud, uncloth, covered in cake face makeup, wears stripper-like clothes even though she is over 40, and basically has none of the traits favored by the upper class. This clash has strained their marriage and even has caused problems for their kids at school since they get made fun of for their mother being so clearly out of the place. So even if you do get the guy based on looks alone, it won't be smooth sailing for you if you can't adopt the social traits of his class. Also mothers of the men you are interested in in this set will have college degrees and will not like to see a daughter in law less educated than they are. 

So no, getting a college degree is not going to price you out of the dating market, it could even help you move up the social ladder. 

However, just getting a degree is not going to land you a wealthy husband. Here is how to increase your chances of getting an uppercrust man (if you are not from the upper class yourself) in college or shortly after based on my personal experience and the experience of women in my social circle. 

  1. Don't go into debt willy nilly to get the degree. Instead, go to community college for 2 years and then transfer in your junior year. Don't whine about wanting the classic college experience or not getting to post TikToks of your acceptance letter. That won't matter when you're single in your 30s or your future husband doesnt want to take on the debt even if he could afford it. It is easier to get accepted into any college as a transfer than as a freshman as long as you are in good academic standing at your prior school. When you graduate, you get the same degree as everyone else but for half the price. If you do have a scholarship or your parents did have their act together enough to have a college fund for you, of course use it but don't take on 200k loans just because. 
  2. Be smart about your major. Don't do the arts or the humanities. Take it from me, I'm an English major. It did help me impress some of these upper class people because of my knowledge of classic literature but overall, not a good investment. If you have a passion or side interest, let that be your minor instead. Chances are the more practical majors like business, economics, math etc,. will have more men in it. That statistically ups your chance of meeting a guy regardless of status instead of my english classes that had like 3 guys in them and most of them were gay. In these classes, don't be a pushy competitive asshole. I've seen girls shout down/speak over professors and students alike because they HAD to be viewed as the smartest one in the room. Nothing says third wave feminism like this. It's off putting and annoying to everyone in the room. No one wants to get with the girl that got into a heated debate with them in class and then glouted when they won. And no, I'm not saying play dumb and keeo quiet. Answer the profs questions, do the assignments, get good grades, just don't be a dominating loud mouth. 
  3. Make friends with kids from upper class families. No, I'm not saying follow the trust fund baby around like a puppydog. But don't be afraid to network and not just make friends. Even if you have no real "old money" in your college, finding a kid with successful parents who own businesses is always a plus for a potential future career. If you make friends with rich girls, they can introduce you to their brother, cousin, family friend etc., who might be a good match for you once they can trust you and welcome you into their inner circle. If you're making friends with a wealthy boy, don't sleep with him (or any guy) or do any sexual acts with him unless he is giving you a commitment. Rich guys are used to women being easily impressed and allowing themselves to be used for the privilege of having a rich lifestyle for a few weeks or months. Make it clear you are not one of those girls in how you carry yourself, speak, act etc. Obviously, if these kids are awful abusive people who disrespect you, don't hang out with them even for the social opportunities that come with them. (And for you reading, no most rich people aren't awful people. It is not a given that they will treat you badly. In my life, lower status men have treated me worse than any rich person I've encountered). If no romantic relationships come out of embedding yourself in the rich kid circle, a career opportunity might exist since many of their families are well connected. If they like you and trust you, they will open doors for you. Getting a good internship or job out of school in a place where there are more wealthy people working will help you meet a higher class husband and provide for yourself in the meantime. 
  4. Don't be a crazy party girl. Even if they like to go wild, always be more sober and more in control than they are. Not only does this keep you from sleeping with anyone before commitment but it makes you look better in their eyes because you aren't some lush falling down the stairs at the end of the night. 
  5. Learn about the interests and lifestyles of the upper class. I'm mostly talking about old money here so things like horseback riding, classic cars, sailing, tennis, golf, etc. are things upper class people do or have experience in. Even if you can't afford lessons in those areas, just do some basic googling, especially if you have found the guy you're interested in likes those things or his family does. Knowing the basics and some fun facts about the topics or hobbies he likes will set you apart. My husband loves (and now collects classic cars). He told me most women would gloss over when he talked about cars on dates and change the topic back to the Kardashians (this literally happened). I have had a passive interest in classic American muscle cars so when I told him my dream car is a refurbished 1969 mustang convertible, it set me apart from the other girls from our first or second date. 
  6. Have a career or interests outside of just being a wife and mother but don't go full boss babe. Wanting to be nothing but a wife and mother can be a bit off putting for these guys. They want you to be there to raise the kids and take care of the house when the time comes but if you're in your 20s and you have nothing going on in your life because you're waiting for a man to make you a wife, he is gonna pass. He is also gonna pass if you're busy focusing on your career, bragging about how you don't need a man, and having casual flings until you're 35. Be interesting and provide for yourself until you don't have to but don't make it more important than your future as a wife and mother. 
  7. Look for husband material while you're still in college even if you have to lo

[–]Ok_Obligation_61101 Star 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We’re in similar situations I feel like I’ve written a distilled version of this post in several comments myself! My husband never would have married me had I not had a degree from a good school, not for income earning reasons but intellectual compatibility and for raising children (maternal IQ is the highest indicator of a child’s IQ above all else).

Love this post and so glad we have something for people who are new to this forum to reference. I feel like I see so many young women come here and seek advice about whether or not to pursue or finish a degree if they want to marry a man who can allow them to be a SAHW. These days you really need to be with a man with high earning potential to do that, and times have changed, doctors don’t marry nurses any more, they marry other doctors. Lawyers don’t marry their secretaries, they marry other lawyers. These women THEN become SAHW, those highly educated men aren’t interested in marrying a woman who purposefully took a low paying job so they could sit around waiting for a man to marry them so they could stay at home.

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I’ll start by saying that I’m a guy, so I see things from the opposite side. I found this post on my home page and wanted to add a few points.

Also, just for context, although I’m still young, I’m a junior trader at a bank - in Europe - so I’m surrounded by upper class / wealthy men.

Everything you said is true. To make it much more clear, I’d say that education and elegance are non-negotiable. Without them you won’t find a respectable UMC/UC husband. The only exception is if you come from money, in which case you don’t need to have a degree (but probably will have anyway).

As others have said, the only point I don’t agree with is regarding the subject of the degree. I personally (and most of the men I know) wouldn’t look down on a MSc or PhD in Psychology, History or Art, even if it won’t lead to an high income. On the other hand, gender studies and co. should be avoided. I’ll concede on the fact that your advice is a better life advice.

One point I think is important and you didn’t mention is social media and self-image. What I’ve noticed is that most fiancées of colleagues are either not on IG or have private profiles in which they post rarely. It may be only a cultural thing, or specific to my area / social group but I’m quite confident on the fact that being too active or public on social networks will do more harm than good (similarly to being a party girl).

[–]No-Menu-4211 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I (21/f) am currently preparing for my MA in English. I really enjoy English Literature (my BA). Although I like business and economics, but I have no prior experience in them and I usually find math excruciatingly boring and hard. Do you still suggest I go for a business or economics degree?

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The upper middle class study for career prospects, they're interested in making money.

The actual upper class are perpetuating their money, not making it. This class favors the humanities because they learn for pleasure.

Don't change your studies if you're doing so to appeal to the upper class.

[–]VasiliyZaitzevTRP Senior Endorsed 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So looking at things from the other side of the gender divide, there are things that hold value in the OP and things that do not.

What she is really doing is giving us a window into the world of the Country Club Set. I speak their language, but I would never have been considered one of them because I didn't do my schooling at Greenwich Country Day, nor did I go to Princeton where I wasn't on the crew team, etc. But I know the type. No shade - in my NYC days, I was welcome in those circles, but I was always an outsider. My people were the strivers, the Brooklyn guys who outhustled everyone, the Ashkenazi guys who were never going to get into the WASP golf clubs, the guys who had talent, but who, like me would have been excluded for reasons dealing with pedigree or other defining factor:

Adams Lowell: "Finkelgruber is such a bright guy and he will go far, but I don't think we can make him a member of the firm. There's something about him. I can't put my finger on it, but I feel like there's something about him that just rubs me the wrong way."

Cabot Lodge: "You mean he's Jewish?"

Adams Lowell: "Yes, exactly. Pity, that."

{Obv I don't intend that the OP is anti-Semitic, but this is how it was, back in the day. I know a "Finkegruber" who got told that he was a great guy but was never going to be made a member of his firm because of a "defect" of his birth. He was the top performing associate every year, but one day a senior partner took him out to lunch and said, "Do you really think you would ever fit in here?" Ouch.}

I am currently a stay at home mother living in a wealthy suburb of southern Connecticut.

Say hi to Fairfield county for me! I loved it there. Moved away and, while I miss my very cool neighbors, I don't miss the taxes. Ugh. I was something of an anomaly there, in that, every day, all of the men (except me, bc I've worked from home for a dozen years) and half of the women would get up and go to work in the morning. So it was me and the women and kids. We had a tight-knit neighborhood and a couple of the dads told me (independent of each other) that they had told their kids: "If something happens, and I'm not here, go to Mr. Zaitzev's house for help." I miss that sense of neighborliness and community, now.

He told me that a college degree was a necessity for his future wife because he wanted someone who was intellectually his equal or who could at least hold a conversation about high brow topics. Furthermore, it is embarrassing in uppercrust circles to have a wife who is not educated.

Well, yes, but you are really talking about the Primates of Park Avenue crowd. People in this sect already know. And education, while it is fine for a woman to have, will simply up her "RMV" (relationship market value) but not her "SMV" (sexual market value). To wit, while it's great if a girl has a prestigious degree, it boils down to this:

"That law degree looks so sexy on you."

-Said no man ever.

It's like having a wife who can cook, speak French, play piano, or is an artist or published author. wink It's nice, but it's not going to add to her sex appeal. Great if she has one, preferably in smth suitably female/ornamental. French literature and Art history are certainly winners, but unlikely to lead to a career.

And sure, we do see more assortive mating now - doctor/doctor instead of doctor/nurse - but if anyone ever voiced a negative view about my (hypothetical) wife's education/national origin/whatever, they will get told (in much more direct terms) that they can lodge their opinion in their lower intestinal tract, and if they persists in vocalizing, the next thing coming out of their mouth will be their front teeth.

I know this, because I've seen me do it. Nobody messes with us Hill Folk. ;)

Anyway, no matter. The OP's post is accurate within the circles to which it applies, but not particularly to the other 98% of us.

[–]HeidiinTN 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This post is a hard truth. I too am seeing so much anti-education content on the right now, but there are very very few affluent and successful men that actually want that. Being young and pretty isn’t enough. People in higher classes expect the social status of you being educated. And this is not true for just UC but for UMC too(doctors, lawyers, engineers). Most sahm wives in this demographic have secondary degrees. I can’t think of a wife that has just a hs degree in my circle. And yes there is judgment towards not having a higher degree. UMC families r obsessed with their kids colleges and future career paths, regardless of sex. People always ask wives what they did before they stayed at home.

[–]capecodboi 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree. The women who think they will find a provider man by being a cute waitress might find themselves with the local guy whose dad owned a construction company that now turns a good profit. If you want an educated next-level man, you must be more as a woman. Plus, think of his family - what will they think of someone who thinks being cute is enough?

[–]StoicGypsy 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

One of the better posts I read. I am from low middle class and the only way a man from upper class would take me seriously for LTR or marriage was through my education (I have a doctorate). I don’t flaunt it though and I try to leave my boss-like attitude at the work door. With my fiancé, I am much more obedient, caring and attentive than in my work life. So yes, education and brains matter more so for those looking to level up. I do agree that some degrees and profession hold different weight than others. I am a doctor so my fiancé definitely draws my warm and caring attributes out of that profession, and frequently relies on me health wise without realizing why he’s doing it.

[–]Easy-Distance1 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

  1. Looking for a second wife 👀 ?
  2. Where did the Andrew Tate conclusion steam from? I thought he was focused on men's TRP ?

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As I mentioned in the first part of the post, I fell down a red pill dating rabbit hole and guess who always pops up (Tate) even if you're looking for women based advice. There are tons of women in the comments or stitching on tiktok agreeing with him and people treat him like he is the definition of class because he has a Lamborghini. I think his messages around dating for the most part are harmful as is his business advice. I wanted to indicate that no one with real money seems him as legit, if they know of him at all.

[–]Easy-Distance1 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

"Real money" Is this monopoly 😆? That's their* opinion. What about yours specifically? What exactly does he say toward dating/women that you find harmful ? You're definitely the top 20% out the gate given your background; You already had a great set up in life to Maneuver & meet your now HVM/husband & create a family? Congrats btw. But do you feel you were too separated from the average/normies from the beginning to give us advice to attract a HVM? I mean 😏 gurllllll

[–]RosaDellaCasa 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Tate said that men should cheat on their women as a loyalty test and if she stays then it proves she loves. He’s advocating causing huge amounts of pain, there are far better ways to test a women’s love without irreparably damaging the relationship. That’s evil.

[–]Easy-Distance1 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Actually, he dosen't advocate other men to cheat because he understands most men can't afford to as he can. He himself has multiple kids/wives because he is now Muslim. So, in other cultures, what you may see as cheating in the west, is a norm in another society and or religion... That's not evil, it's simply what you* perceive it to be. Next ?

[–]RosaDellaCasa 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Here he is actively encouraging men to cheat on their women: https://twitter.com/cobratate/status/1603394586885652481?s=46&t=kfQPZDsTTbE-vwaTCJZeEQ

Causing pain to others for an ego boost is wrong, encouraging other men to do it also, is evil. Next?

[–]Easy-Distance1 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Again, those are his thoughts, it's twitter

[–]RosaDellaCasa 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Of course they are his thoughts - that’s literally what we are discussing. Twitter is just as credible as YouTube shorts or whatever other podcast you watch him on. It’s all the same lmao I gave you proof of him advocating for men to cheat as a test to their woman’s loyalty. It’s wrong and you should admit it

[–]Easy-Distance1 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

https://youtu.be/7TuilbZ1j58

& I 100% bet you won't watch the whole episode.

[–]fatbitchonline 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

really good post!! a tad unrelated, but i wish some of the higher class people would judge others less for things that don’t affect them, like the clothes of lower-class women and their mannerisms, as long as those lower-class women are being kind. honestly i think part of that judgement comes from jealousy towards the lower-class women being able to be their authentic selves more, because it’s more common for rich people to have to act a certain way to preserve their pristine reputation rather than be themselves sometimes. it’s so frustrating to think you’d never be enough for some people that can potentially affect your relationship all because of harmless things that make you happy and unique.

also, the film “crazy rich asians” is super good and this post reminds me of it a lot. it’s about a middle-class american-asian woman who is dating a man from one of the richest families in singapore, and she has to meet and impress his wealthy family and friends in singapore to gain their respect. it’s a really good movie :)

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Yes I agree. I don't like how judgemental and keeping up with Joneses many people in this area are like. Some have been sweet and welcoming and others cold and rigid.

Crazy Rich Asians was great. I thought it showed a good balance of showing respect to the different culture or class you're attemping to join but standing up for yourself and not letting them make you feel like a lesser person for coming from an average background.

[–]BostonDom551 points [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

This treats men like cash dispensers. red pill is not about finding rich men. Finding "upper crust" men etc. And the bartender isn't ridiculed because she doesn't have a college degree. It is because she is loud and does not exhibit modesty, humility, discretion... highly attractive qualities. Rich men have radar for people with this type of attitude, gold digging. And if you don't know about this, search yahoo for "bill burr, gold digger" and take in that lecture. :)
For any women reading this, I suggest forgetting it. Yes, it is nice to date someone with a college degree if you have one, a baseline of education. But, not because it will get you an "upper crust" man. Do it, if you want, because you want a basic education and to meet a normal man. As someone successful, it's nice but not necessary. less important than honesty, fitness, modesty, humility, femininity, generosity of spirit and a good heart.

[–]OmarNBradley 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My UC husband told me flat out that if I dropped my PhD program he would drop me.

Education matters in those spheres. Especially if you were not raised in them and have to prove yourself by other means. The Anglosphere upper class has always always always married educated, capable, competent women. It’s the other classes that like sweet yielding feminine whatevers.

[–]pearlsandstilettosModerator | Pearl[M] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't think that you have women's interests at heart here. This also isn't a sub for random men. Comment removed. Refocus on giving men advice.

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red pill is not about finding rich men. Finding "upper crust" men etc

RPW is about gaining whatever type of man it is that a particular woman wants. You talk about how humility and modesty are desirable traits (to you), why shouldn't a woman have traits that she seeks out, like class and culture?

This sub is about female sexual strategy, not getting you want you want out of a woman.

[–]kfree3131 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

Lol , this is not how educated men think. Educated men just want a pleasant woman like every man does.

[–]pearlsandstilettosModerator | Pearl[M] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you have no idea how an educated UMC or UC man thinks.

You are dismissed. We are not a sub for men.

[–]HeidiinTN 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I know the comment is gone but I suspect alot of the content on girls not getting educated is coming from LC men simply aspiring to be UC.

[–]pearlsandstilettosModerator | Pearl 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think it is aspirational (working class wishing they are UC). There is a misunderstanding of what is desirable for a certain class of people. Ie: working class men do not understand that being handed a trust fund is not the only thing that makes a social class and there are differences in the requirements for access.

But in my experience, there are men who care and men who don't. It's not attractive to men and that is where RP theory starts. But while it doesn't turn a man on, it is vetting criteria for many.

[–]Thotlesswhisper1 points [recovered] (11 children) | Copy Link

Hi. I married a multimillionaire and am also a SAHM. He doesn’t care about whether I have a degree, money, or a job, as long as the house is clean and dinner’s on the table when he gets home.

[–]pearlsandstilettosModerator | Pearl[M] 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

Money and class are different which is pointed out in the post. Also remember that being an outlier does not change the advice that is best for the majority.

[–]Thotlesswhisper1 points [recovered] (9 children) | Copy Link

Okay, and? The majority of wealthy men don’t care about a woman’s job, education, or wealth. They can afford to live on one income. They just want someone pretty, sweet, and classy (which you can be regardless of which class you came from.)

[–]pearlsandstilettosModerator | Pearl 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

And if you are equating money with being in the upper class then you are ignoring everything in the OP. The OP has experience within the UC and UMC value system. I don't know why you think you should flex on this about your man but it is incorrect that all men want sweet pretty and "classy" with no other qualifications.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

How do you define “upper class?”

[–]pearlsandstilettosModerator | Pearl 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

How do you define "multi millionaire"

UC is going to be old family money for starters.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

So this is advice for women who want to marry into old money families only? Gotcha. I guess that’s an important distinction to some women, but I feel like most are going to be okay with marrying into new money too.

A multimillionaire is someone who has plural millions of dollars or is worth millions of dollars. If you wanna call that not UC because they made that money from scratch, go ahead.

[–]pearlsandstilettosModerator | Pearl 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes. This post is for women looking to get a certain class of men. Look I am firmly in the middle. But it is absolutely the case that money alone does not describe class. This is why it is called socioeconomic not just economic. There are different values for each strata of society. No one is disparaging a man who is self made but he is going to look for different things than a man who is born to family money because of the values that are inherent to each

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

The only definition for UC you gave me was that he comes from an already wealthy family, which has to do with the -economics part and little to with the socio- part

[–]pearlsandstilettosModerator | Pearl 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

That is because I already regret talking to you instead of just removing the comment quietly. 🙂 You are taking this personally and I have no skin in the game. As a financial advisor I do think it's adorable that you find a couple million to be impressive. Great for your husband, seriously, but at best that is upper middle class from an exclusively financial perspective. You need a lot more than that to be considered in the old money/political class

[–]Euphoric-Chain-51553 Star 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Two questions for you:

What is the most prestigious country club in your area?

What reasons did they give for rejecting your application?

You should pay attention to those reasons, they are relevant here.

[–]stayathomedaughter8 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you so much ❤️

[–]reflectiveraisin 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you are only doing a degree to find wealthy men and you like the arts and humanities...won't doing electives in management or business be better?

[–]avocado4ever000 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t know who needs to hear this but having an education also gives you something to fall back on. Any good divorce lawyer will advise women to make sure to take care of themselves- dependency can enable a lot of not great marriage situations.

[–]Unable_Peach_1306 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I also prefer anecdotes over researched facts or analysis.

I don’t know if an English degree is much better than a high school diploma…

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