Summary: Conversation with my grandfather from around the time women first started entering the workplace revealed that feminism has convinced women that they deserve all the good jobs men have, without putting in the effort that goes along with it.
My grandfather worked 2 jobs for most of his life, only retiring at the age of 80 because he had a heart attack and was pushed by the rest of his family to take it easy. I truly believe he would have worked until he was dead had that not been the case. He is very much a "shut up and get on with the job" type person, as are a lot of men in that age bracket.
A couple days ago I had a very interesting conversation with him regarding the influx of women in to his work environment. I found this to be an especially valuable conversation as he was the one who brought it up and directed the conversation, most of what I did was listen to what he had to say. His day job was at a major car manufacturer, and when he started some time in the early 1950's, women weren't hired. At all. The reasoning behind this is secondary to this story, but he made it very clear that, primarily, the jobs were physically strenuous, and women simply weren't capable of most of them. Secondary to that, he also mentioned that it was a man's obligation to provide for his family, and women were not expected to work at all, so for the sake of keeping women and children fed and clothed, they hired men.
The main focus of what he had to say had to do with the point in time (perhaps sometime in the 60's, but he wasn't specific), when his company was forced to start hiring women. He said he honestly had no problem with it at the beginning, but that's not he way things stayed. Processes and rules were adjusted to allow women to work in his industry, and the equal pay act of 1963 dictated that women had to be paid the same amount as men for the same work. Equality.
So you would think that the feminists and women who campaigned for this would be happy now, right? Of course not (who are we kidding, really?). Almost immediately, women started complaining about the jobs they had, they wanted better ones. Sure, there were some whiny men around, but Grandpa had never seen anyone complain the way that women did when it came to their job. You could never accommodate them enough. So the entry level jobs they were given (after all, they were ENTRY LEVEL EMPLOYEES), were unacceptable, and they needed to immediately be placed in upper management on a high salary, or something of the sort. Maybe assembling cars for 12 hours a day wasn't the empowered, privileged life they had in mind. This is what got to him more than anything. If women wanted the good jobs that men with 10 or 20 years experience had, then they should get 10 or 20 years of experience under your belt and go through the same channel that every man had to go through to get them.
That was about the extent of the conversation, but there is a lot to learn from this. Fast forward to today, and nothing has changed, really. Society has bent over backwards to accommodate women in the workplace, but all the gender quotas and sexual harassment policies in the world won't make feminists happy. Why? Because feminism has taught society that it is simply better to be a man, and when women get the same jobs men get, and live the same lives men live, and somehow still find that it's really not as fun and privileged as it's cracked up to be, well there must still be some inequality going on. Because it is a basic fact that men have it better in life, right?
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