Let's Talk About Masturbation

da_voodoo · 2014-08-13T02:36:52+00:00

Dude I've jacked it twice since reading your post

CapitalG · 2014-08-13T02:40:12+00:00

Touchy subject, for lack of a better word. Good post.

tyranus89 · 2014-08-13T03:48:00+00:00

I'm not going to advocate nofap or any shit like that because 0 is just as bad as 100.

Even worse is dipping into the spank bank. I used to jack off to my old conquests and it kept me stuck in the past. I was so satisfied with what I had done that I stopped focusing on what I wanted to do.

If anyone needs more convincing, the porn novelty treadmill eventually causes erectile dysfunction in a lot of young guys who can still jerk off but not get hard when they're with a girl - /u/2comment

How you masturbate is also important. Mark Manson put it well in "Models". For the longest time, I thought I had "sensitivity issues" in bed, fucking for hours without cumming or not being able to cum unless I hit a certain spot juuuuuust right for an extended time. I just suffered from Death Grip Syndrome.

Most guys squeeze way too tight because it feels a lot better. Use a looser grip, go slower, and use lots of lotion -- or better yet, a fleshlight. Pussies are soft, slick and gentle; you need to learn to appreciate that and mimic it with your hand. If for the first few times you don't cum, then you're still just getting over your death grip addiction.

The only thing you should be thinking about when you jack off are girls you want to fuck. Like /u/TheeRyanGrey said, DON'T think about your past conquests. Focus on the girl you want to nail. (Just don't do it before you think you'll see her; see OP's point #3.)

Keep it loose, slow, and slick. Sex is never as tight, dry and fast as jacking off is. Don't become one of those guys who likes jacking off more than sex.

Moneyley · 2014-08-13T03:52:49+00:00

Feel free to disagree with me but try and keep it rational and emotional free.

Bro, do you even internet?

It's interesting to see you so heavily down-voted so far. Your audience has spoken with their free hand.

The two main problems with porn are:

Desensitization
Pacification

Desensitization happens through exposure to highly stimulating input. Internet porn gives men access to an almost infinite range of different sex scenes and an almost infinite number of women. The sensory overload is intense. We are not meant to cope with this much sexual input. It exhausts the neurotransmitters and we end up burned out.

The problem here is that the two main neurochemicals involved in sex are dopamine and oxytocin. Dopamine is related to excitement and oxytocin to bonding. When you view porn you get the excitement, but there is no actual human-to-human bonding. So you lose that balance. Too much dopamine, without oxytocin to balance it, creates a drug-like effect that brings on a number of side-effects.

Porn also leads to passivity in men. This is contrary to what people think, because typically porn is seen as a highly masculine environment. And in some cases it may well be—if you are an actor on the set. But when you are watching it, this is a very passive action. Sex has always been something that the vast majority of men needed to work quite hard to get access to and maintain their access. Porn is utterly lazy. You pull out your internet device and sit there single-handedly browsing. There is no real effort involved. This begets bad sexual habits.

Not only that, but quite a lot of porn involves women taking charge. It is a very common theme. And in real life this is okay every so often. But to set this up as a permanent dynamic in a relationship is asking for trouble. Men whose partners lead suffer from reduced testosterone. And their partners lose respect for them. So many affairs come about because the husband won't take charge.

One of my regrets from my teens is over-fapping. What a waste of energy.

TheReason13 · 2014-08-13T15:52:11+00:00

There is nothing wrong with fapping, but like anything else excessive overuse is obviously detrimental to your health.

Strictly celibate men go through a weird form of "sexual atrophy" for lack of a better phase. They of course see this as a liberation from the sex drive. Consequently these men experience short and long term gains in other bodily functions such as increased cognitive function, energy, immunity and longevity. The most plausible explanation I've read so far is that the liberation from the "minerally, chemically and neurologically taxing" sex drive leaves a surplus that the body uses to compensate by improving other functions. Similar to a blind mans heightened sence of smell and hearing.

If I can remember correctly, the claim is that the body sacrifices enormous mineral and nutrient resources to produce semen, which along with dihidrotestosterone (male sex hormone) is manufactured mainly by the prostate. The process of having an orgasm is also enormously taxing on the body neurologically and chemically. These sacrifices go hand in hand and is the reason why a man is physically, mentally and emotionally useless after an orgasm. The body has a built in mechanism called the "refractory period" to allow for recovery. Erectile dysfunction is a form of prolonged refractory period caused by sexual exhaustion.

Regardless of diet a man need at least three weeks to fully replace what was lost from a single orgasm. This is directly dependent on the body's ability to replace what is lost before it can start repair and recovery, and is an extremely complex process. This is interesting because although I'm no expert on this process, there are many secretive martial arts like Mo Pai and Nei Kung and Jeet Kun Do that require abstinence from orgasm for at least three weeks before training can resume.

Excessive orgasm depletes the body and leaves men fatigued and unmotivated. This causes a chain reaction where the body over produces DHT to facilitate the production of semen, the DHT imbalance causes excessive sexual arousal whether the body has replaced lost resources and recovered or not, to relieve the constant sexual tension caused by the hormonal imbalance the male ejaculates regularly, depletes the body of more resources and starts the process all over again.

Basically your body places priority on reproductive function to replace excessive loss of semen by increasing DHT to facilitate this, the excess DHT arouses the male and fools him into excessively ejaculating which causes excessive loss of semen which sends the body back to step one. And repeat.

Side effects are fatigue, depression, anxiety, hormonal imbalance, malformed and brittle finger and toe nails, early onset male pattern baldness, premature gray hair, impotence, erectile dysfunction, weak erection, sluggish cognitive function, bipolar disorder, prostate health complications, bone structure complications, testicle complications.

The information is there to do with whatever you want, you can call bullshit or experiment either way nobody cares. Its up to what you prefer.

MasonJarTeaDrinker · 2014-08-13T20:33:59+00:00

It's pretty BP if you ask me, watching some other dude fuck the hot chick while you have sex with your hand.

I'm all about being a better man and that starts with some self control.

duglock · 2014-08-13T03:31:30+00:00

I use to until I noticed a profound sense of fatigue... a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence. Women sense my power and they seek the life essence. I do not avoid women, but I do deny them my essence.

2014-08-13T10:34:04+00:00

I'm a fapstronaught and fucking love it. I hope I never go back fapping over porn. By denying myself fap I must go and conquer new pussy. I also have a lot more energy for worthwhile tasks, increased confidence and aggressiveness. The only fap I allow myself when I'm desperate is an imagination fap, I refuse porn.

for those saying, "everything in moderation" or "its a placebo" then try no fap for 30 days and record how much better your life becomes. You'll never want to go back. If I'm wrong and you feel the same, you've lost 30 days of fapping, and learnt about self control. Would be interested in to hear from anyone who has done nofap and didn't think it was beneficial.

2comment · 2014-08-13T02:56:33+00:00

The basic problem with porn is it's a waste of time (like video games) that feeds your brains rewards centers without actually having accomplished anything. No different than any other addiction. I have a lot of 20-something friends from school that waste their life on it. We're talking years long of them moping they have no life, and then going home and living this lack of life in front of a screen and not even getting paid for it.

Just an hour a day after a decade (say by 23, since guys start at 12-13) that's over 3,650 hours (152 days straight) could have been used to master 3-4 major skills or several dozen minor ones, or finding prospects or doing something.

Do they wake up when they are 37 and go "Shit, I wish I played more games or spanked it to Sasha Grey more often!"? No, no one does that. They just continue feeling shitty. All that time for instant gratification, no positive long term results.

Jerk off in the shower or something quick and move on. At least you'll be clean for your effort.

If anyone needs more convincing, the porn novelty treadmill eventually causes erectile dysfunction in a lot of young guys who can still jerk off but not get hard when they're with a girl:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSF82AwSDiU

I also don't recommend nofap either, mostly because I don't think jerking off is evil several times a week, and that sub comes off as a group of white knights anyway.

tallwheel · 2014-08-13T04:39:00+00:00

Well, I for one am sick of all this nofap bullshit. I masturbate when I feel like it, fuck just fine, muscle gain and productivity are fine. It's not a habit, and it has always been completely under my control. It doesn't negatively impact my life in any way. Sure, it uses some time, but not a lot, and I consider it time well-spent. There's nothing wrong with using what God gave us to pleasure ourselves when we can. You guys are overthinking this. When you feel like wanking, and it's the proper time and place for it, then just do it.

All the anti-masturbation sentiment is really just rooted in a cultural belief that it's pathetic and immoral. People find other ways to justify nofap like 1) it lowers testosterone levels, 2) It wastes time, 3) It shows lack of self-control, 4) It's habit forming. But the root assumption is that it's "wrong" or "pathetic" somehow. Who the fuck cares? 1) It's not hurting anybody, 2) Orgasm is one of the best natural highs you can get, 3) If you live alone you have plenty of opportunity to do it when you feel like it, 4) It's a way to get off without having to deal with women when you don't feel like it. I really don't see any good reason to resist the urge when you have it.

mordanus · 2014-08-13T06:51:00+00:00

You always post good shit ryan. Thanks for another great one.

flplatespin · 2014-08-13T02:51:51+00:00

Excellent post. The prevalence of porn has created a master race of basement dwelling betas with flabby physiques and cheeto stained hands. It is a race to the bottom of humanity.

These same betas validate the feminist women of today. Self control is an important part of becoming the independent man you need to be in today's world. Why watch porn when you can make it? I would rather have a half dozen awesome real sex sessions each year than watch that crap.

Meatclap · 2014-08-13T05:46:59+00:00

Generalizations do not a wise man make when rational thinking is available. For example, I and a few I know do not conflate slutty with sexy. Maybe that's an age thing, I'm not a young man, most of these people were not especially young. It is, by this alone, that I challenge that the conflation of slutty and sexy is not unavoidable, that it is in fact possible to separate the two.

Honestly your whole second masturbation point seems to involve quite a bit of inference and probably some projecting on others.

ON point three, alpha and beta are silly ideals, advice on these ideals are even sillier. It's loose interpretation, with no actual adherence to any rule or principle, as TRP demonstrates frequently with young and/or angry newcomers giving often conflicting ideas of what "alpha". One can assume an alpha is dominant or strong and a beta is compliant or weak, for example, but then there are so many threads in here alone that talk about game, spinning plates, etc, that involve subtle manipulative tactics, which may or may not be a "beta thing to do" or give the appearance of "being beta" when in fat the endgame is so much more complex and might fit the ideals listed here, however abstract, of being alpha.

An example would be: The beta paid through the nose just for the pleasure of her company. The alpha paid through the nose, apparently for the pleasure of her company, but in reality she was well connected and a gateway to meeting people that would help advance his career.

Not a great example, but most of this is off the cuff, please bear with me. This isn't even a matter of perspective but rather about perception, and we don't always know everything, we can only work with what we do know, which is why these presumptions are so destructive to the self and others if passed off as advice.

On point four; "the pinnacle of manhood" is, like alpha and beta, seemingly a matter of subjective interpretation. The pinnacle of manhood can also be said to know one's self, which is an umbrella that could cover moderation, sexual identity, sexual/masturbatory discipline, sexual/masturbatory security, and other things that this off-the-cuff reply will probably miss.

My whole point is not to nitpick or be converse with your own idea of what constitutes "alpha", pinnacle, restraint, moderation, etc is not a linear standard and to preach, almost literally, your own ideas onto others assumes they have your experience or line of thinking/reasoning. So much of your post looks like it's about shaming, and whatever I say I certainly take issue with shaming anyone, especially men, for enjoying their bodies in privacy.

Maybe I missed your point, but I make of your post what I will as you will mine, all in fairness.

2014-08-13T21:41:11+00:00

Its not easy to stop doing something you've gotten up to since you were 13.

I should know.

ThrownAwayTRP · 2014-08-13T04:40:46+00:00

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought masturbating had nothing to do with testosterone levels. Basically, nofap is a bunch of bro science/placebo effect.

Personally, I decided last week to stop jerking off. I was getting a little stressed and unfocused and didn't really have it in me. That said, I think it would be wise to start doing it a little more. I fucked a plate and after I came in her mouth, it was plainly obvious it tasted a lot worse than the last time. I do know that its a fact that it will taste "stale" or "rotten," for lack of better words, if you don't clear out the pipes every few days.

I guess I'll go without for a few more weeks. I haven't felt any different yet but like I said, its been a rough week so its not like I'm controlling for variables here. I know jerking off every morning in the shower tended to make me short on time so at the very least, there's that problem fixed.

a_nus · 2014-08-13T06:00:27+00:00

I don't know dude... I currently don't masturbate, as an experiment. But I used to masturbate a lot, watch porn, and play video-games (I still play a lot of video-games). And those activities never deterred me from accomplishing any of my other goals.

You must be assuming everyone who plays video-games or masturbate is addicted to the activities. I've seen many posts on TRP claiming video-games, maturbation, and other "beta" hobbies are inferior activities which will harm you... but honestly, if you don't get consumed by them, they're just as harmless as reading a book (depends on the plot ;) )

AdviceTRP · 2014-08-13T03:52:51+00:00

"Let's talk about X"

Starting to sound like Tumblr in here.

We_Are_Legion · 2014-08-13T03:51:46+00:00

The man speaks the truth. You know, some say that "game" can be said to be synonymous with "Killer Instinct".

Read this article to get a good idea of what I'm talking about: The importance Of Cultivating Killer Instinct

That feeling, that power, is undermined every time you fap. Testosterone peaks at 7 days of abstaining, to 50% above normal. At least cut down to once a week to maximize your chances taking advantage of that, if nothing else.

I tell you guys, you have not lived until you have experienced the thrill of roaming a club or even the fucking bedroom with that "killer instinct" described above. That feeling is irreplaceable, its like a runner's high, and I contend its heavily influenced by the hormones in your blood that day. Its something everyone around you notices and its something you cannot just... fake.

EDIT: Whoops Where are my manners? I forgot to source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12659241 and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11760788

Haters can go to hell. In either case, I am not trying to contend science here(though on the subject matter, you have little except anecdotes and studies on old men to claim otherwise, trust me, I checked). I am contending something worth trying and that may very well vary person to person. I do acknowledge masturbation has benefits, and it reduces anxiety and is healthy in moderation. But I find it a silly waste of time and energy if its obsession. I classify obsession as once daily, I classify moderation as once-twice a week. ^And ^I ^classify ^RP ^as ^within ^a ^condom ^or ^on ^a ^girl ^as ^often ^as ^you ^want.

The bottom line is, masturbating unreasonably saps your desire to pursue women. Even if the testosterone stat doesn't convince you, that much is definitely true for most. Are you truly ok with that?

colaturka · 2014-08-13T15:43:35+00:00

where the porn is still playing and you feel utterly disgusted and ashamed at what you're getting off to

The fuck is wrong you? I feel fucking awesome.

Thomas_Crapper · 2014-08-13T02:20:12+00:00

Your post is just one long masterbatory ode to your own self-importance.

BluepillProfessor · 2014-08-13T05:30:04+00:00

Oh crap, I click-baited because I thought you guys would be talking about different masturbation techniques not pontificating about porn. NoFap is not for everyone- different strokes for different folks- I say.

Zran · 2014-08-13T17:50:40+00:00

This post inspires and makes more sense to me than nofap ever did. Time to take the first step.

eagleclaw457 · 2014-08-13T18:31:58+00:00

I think masturbation is ok if you can control yourself. There is a really interesting chapter in "No More Mr. Nice Guy" on this topic. He talks about going cold turkey on compulsive masturbation and instead doing what he calls healthy masturbation. I just finished the book and encourage anyone who hasn't read it to start asap.

Merica911 · 2014-08-13T19:36:55+00:00

The thing that certain people are labeling masturbation as "herein" of the party drug when masturbating is just the party.

I'm 100% against porn. But not masturbating make someone asexual. Trust me, I did whole Nofap for a year last year. I found a lot about myself and it was something I really needed to withhold for awhile since before I use to PMO all the time.

I thought TRP is for us men to go with our feelings? Not saying binge on porn all day, but if there's a girl you wanna fuck, there shouldn't be any shame. We're not monks.

2014-08-13T20:05:01+00:00

I agree. The way, and frequency of which, I jack off is far different when I was any number of years younger than I am now. Before, it was almost women worship: I would find the most beautiful women in a porno and would psychologically almost treat the masturbatory experience like some sort of ritual to see her express her supposed nubile body to express itself sexually. I did it way too often and sometimes multiple times per day. In retrospect, that was really messed up and I felt no shame for doing it.

Now, I just wank to get relief. Seriously, I may wank once every two days now just to make sure my head's fucking clear. ... Yeah, fuck those pre-TRP days.

juanqunt · 2014-08-13T05:22:45+00:00

No fap is bullshit. Do you even lift brah? If you have high test, you'd want to fuck 5 times a day and still can't fall asleep without fapping 5 more times. To me, it's just a bodily function, like eating and taking a shit. I don't overthink it.

And if you've ever been on tren, you'd know that you'd be able to spin multiple plates, rip all their pussies apart, and still need to fap after that. Unless you've crash your estro or got deca dick, no fap is a nightmare for the bodybuilder. Badly enough as a natty with high test, literally impossible on tren.

http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2013/07/no-fap-more-like-no-fucking-way.html

2014-08-13T09:33:47+00:00

I used to post on /r/NoFap quite a bit but it's changed from a serious discussion to a karma circle jerk for "Girls" and memes what I can say is I decided to challenge my self in high schoool with one of 4chan's nofap September challenges and although I went a month on my first try it was one of the hardest most eye opening experiences I've ever had.

I learned that my friends had very weak wills and were upset by this because they thought I was trying to improve myself, they convinced me to jerk of because they said I became too aggressive when I just became straight forward, I'd lost just enough patience that I would no longer dance around my point. I also learned that my body was physically driving me against my own intentions with no concern for my conscious mind, I would get horny and compulsively masturbate with almost no control. I would take a shower and completely forget that I wasn't supposed to touch myself, it really shoved my own weakness in my face.

It really changed me for the better, I had no shame about masturbating and never have but when I stopped I gained so much confidence not because I felt there was no shame to hide but because I felt like an animal being chased by a predator. I was being driven to fulfill my instincts because I had stopped tricking my mind into believing my needs were satisfied; I found the courage to talk to girls, I found the motivation to work out, I found the drive to get a job and be independent, all things which I cowered from months before as I quietly jerked off to my crushes and porn.

Most of all quitting PMO pulled back a curtain that was my own self deception and gave me a better idea of what these sort of curtains look like in life, and that is what drove me to abandon my feminist ideology, and to see through the lies we tell ourselves and each other; If I hadn't spent 30 days without busting a nut back in highschool I probably would never have found TRP and to be honest I don't The manosphere would be nearly as large as it is if those threads on 4chan never took off.

teeelo · 2014-08-13T06:30:37+00:00

I decided to pass on a wank tonight as it so happens.

Feels good man.

HandsomeXan · 2014-08-13T16:45:46+00:00

Am I the only person who doesn't feel bad after jerkin it?

I think this post is more directed at the weak-willed, or people with "addictive personalities".

Wouldn't it be plausible to say:

If you have a higher level of self-control, it doesn't matter how much you jack off, drink, or do drugs.

A person as such would have none of the problems OP has associated with masturbation.

throwawaymuffeater · 2014-08-13T03:44:26+00:00

0 is not bad at all. 100 is terrible. Id rather be full of energy, testosterone and incredibly productove than be the total opposite. That being said, once every 7-10 days is optimal.

variableLt · 2014-08-13T03:36:46+00:00

People defending masturbation usually don't want to admit that all that "exercise" results in zero benefits. Masturbation is always-there, no effort release valve that when used doesn't contribute you on your path to become a better version of yourself. If you don't believe me, start furiously mastubating several times a day, maintain that schedule for two weeks and after that report here where your productivity went.

Once you have conquered your inner urges, you will be able to resist all the shit storm that comes from female world: since you cannot be blackmailed by sex, their only power will be useless against you. So what to do when urges are unbearable? Hit the gym, hit the track, do an all nighter improving / creating your new business venture. When you are back in control, remember how it felt like and use that to defeat AA or any other obstacle that stands in front of you and the vagina you deserve to pound.

But variableLt, I will be nervous and tense and will screw everything up? So what. On to the next one. The point here is to become a man conquering your genetic programming and to leverage the effect of delayed gratification for the greater reward.

EDIT: formatting

Mein_Tarnaccount · 2014-08-13T04:19:55+00:00

I completely quit porn, started about 35 days ago. I don't even look at pics or videos with girls in bikinis. I still fap every other day, but have noticed a huge difference.

No more brain fog. (That cloudy mind feeling).

Better memory.

Social interactions are easier and more fluid.

Better vision.

More energy.

Better orgasms.

RedPill4LYF · 2014-08-13T14:07:08+00:00

If it wasn't for the sexy times, my no fap streak would be enormous by now. I went well beyond 90 days and I felt incredible. Any reader here should challenge themself to go 90 days without masturbation at least once in their lives to experience the difference. The mental clarity, increased energy, and an overall great sense of wellbeing come naturally.

CyberFi · 2014-08-13T03:37:06+00:00

as part of my 3 month trp progress (if you havent read, check my "top" submitted) I chose to do nofap.

I tried twice for two weeks and once for a month but it honestly was pretty hard without a community backing you, and when every post on /r/nofap is about all the "girls they'll get" or "testosterone levels" or their romcom success stories of smelling a girl as she walked by and it got pretty fucking depressing.

so now i jerk off when i want to, which isnt nearly as often. something about having a job and going to school and talking to several beautiful girls a day makes you less depraved.

my only rule for jerking off is that its got to be at night because if i do it in the morning it'll fuk up my day and make me drowsy and indecisive if i run into a cute girl. this rule fully supports my "always ask for a cute, age relevant, non-busy girl for her number" that i instituted a few weeks ago

Mein_Tarnaccount · 2014-08-13T07:27:30+00:00

You know what? I'll do whatever the fuck I want. Including jacking off to (dude-less) porn and playing videogames, both preferably on weed.

Because it's awesome. Yes, even afterwards, because I did what I wanted to do, and it was exactly what I needed at that moment, with no strings attached.

I don't want a woman that I have to drive home afterwards. Maybe I'll want that again somewhere down the road, but right now I have better things to do. I'm getting my life in order and rewarding myself by having fun without having to put up with girls and their shit. I'm just not in the mood.

Edit: Jesus Christ. Guys, if you want to use TRP to become completely dependent on women for validation, be my guest. Just don't try shaming me because I don't. It has seriously started to feel like Tumblr in here.

Ill_mumble_that · 2014-08-13T12:20:55+00:00

I think many of you will find that if you 100% cut out porn from your life, your masturbation habits will naturally balance themselves out.

Porn is the keystone. Remove it first and foremost. /r/pornfree has helped hugely. Check my submitted history for details.

DazPatrick · 2014-08-13T05:21:26+00:00

Try not masturbating for a week or two. You will notice your sexual urges become much more intensified. This is due to an increase on testosterone. And this can benefit you big time. Your voice becomes deeper. You excrete pheromones that women pick up on subconsciously. And you become more aggressive during sex.

Save your man juice.

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skimdit · 2014-08-13T16:30:47+00:00

I currently have a hot gf half my age but still regularly masturbate to home-made porn I made of over a dozen of my ex-girlfriends in the past decade. And one day the pics & videos I've made of my current gf will be another great chapter added to that highly enjoyable catalog. I don't think your criticisms of masturbation or porn apply to me.

[EDIT] BTW, I also completely reject all this NOFAP bullshit. On rare occasion I will abstain from jerking off for a few days just because I want to blow an unusually huge load on my gf's face (for the camera) and just doing that for a few days causes me to become uncontrollably horny to the point that I eyeball titty fuck every chick I see with remotely any cleavage showing, find myself viewing web porn at work on my phone, hitting on chicks everywhere, and have to constantly fight the urge to grab hot girls asses on the train. It also makes me WAY more aggressive and prone to violent confrontation with men who get on my nerves much more quickly than normal. NOFAP = Real bad idea! For me at least. For the pathetic basement dwelling beta virgins, perhaps it's totally a different story.

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Justin_Boyce · 2014-08-13T22:39:09+00:00

I think you make it sound a lot worse than it is, but I can't help but agree a lot. Porn or not, having willpower these days is a HUGE improvement that anyone can make and controlling urges and as you say, controlling yourself is a huge step forward. Its like anything, too much or bad timing can really fuck you over, thats for sure.

markasstrick123 · 2014-08-14T01:10:20+00:00

I think it's lame to lose your seed that much. If you're gonna be losing it you better be losing to a girl and not a fuckin internet screen and your hand. Save the testosterone for girls and the weight room.

markasstrick123 · 2014-08-14T01:54:06+00:00

I feel like not masturbating does really help you in life. I spent my entire teens jerking it multiple times a day. I had no frame, no presence, no attraction. Seriously I'd get friendzoned left and right.

Whenever I stopped all of a sudden girls would compliment me, flirt with me, touch me without me really making an effort. Just the other day some older woman was trying to make me vote but I lied and said I didn't have identification. Then she randomly said, "you look so mature." then she winked at me.

Then I was waiting for the train and this extremely attractive black girl kept eyeballing me, including her friends. These things never happen when I masturbate. It's like women can smell the testosterone and they think 'yeah that's a real man right there.'

I do laugh at guys at nofap thinking they have superpowers when really they are just living for the first time. Living your teen years not having any girl sexually attracted to you robs you of your self confidence. Then finally being seen as the opposite to a good number of attractive girls... can't even put it into words.

That being said, some guys can get away with it. Some can't. I know for a fact I feel better in every way possible (no placebo) when I don't do it. What made me attractive when I quit was no more oily skin (no acne), increased body mass, and increased testosterone (being calm and aloof, chicks love this because they feel safe around you, like a child around an adult).

If anyone has issues in any way, give nofap a shot.

2014-11-11T07:57:30+00:00

I feel much better when in complete abstinence than "moderation". Porn/Masturbation/Orgasm are drugs by the way; complete abstinence from these drugs empowers your mind.

Patriarchysaurus · 2014-08-13T07:49:24+00:00

So much misinformation up in here. The effects of masturbation of plasma levels of testosterone are most likely negligible unless you fap 8 times a day. This is ignoring the other physiological effects of masturbation which aren't fully understood-

For example:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2010/09/28/squirrels-masturbate-to-avoid-sexually-transmitted-infections/

Idontlikekarmawhores · 2014-08-13T22:22:34+00:00

Masturbation as a main way to getting off in your mind 20's can be dangerous.

If you were a normal teenager and masturbated your hand away in your early teens all the way to your late teens, then you used that as a way to discover and if you were a healthy dude back then, you should ve gotten some pussy and keep on the pussy wagon all the way. Masturbation should ve been something you do everyone in a full moon.

If you didnt then you probably have developed some weird fucking fetishes and just looking at porn wouldnt be enough. YOU PASS AWAY HOURS looking for the perfect clip to get off too. That shit is time consuming and unhealthy for both your physical and mental health.

Read books, be grounded, be free, lift, learn to dance and smash pussy

hashtagpound2point2 · 2014-08-13T07:29:29+00:00

This is definitely something in my life that I need to take control over, jerking off every day must be fucking me up one way or another.

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Cyralea · 2014-08-13T13:16:19+00:00

Masturbation Is A Gateway to Beta Complacency

I'm not an extremist on this topic. I still rub one out once or twice a week. That said, I fully agree with you. Excessive masturbation is no different than excessive alcoholism, there's a fine line between fun moderation and having it harm your life.

I don't believe in NoFap, but I do encourage people to go for a short period (2-4 weeks) without masturbating, video gaming, watching TV, etc. Just try one month without distractions. When I did it way back when, I found I had way more time for productivity, and as a result my career flourished, I started approaching women more, and most importantly I realized how unhappy I was just wasting my life.

This is right on the money:

Masturbation Is A Gateway to Beta Complacency

TRP isn't about telling you comfortable lies so you can live a complacent lifestyle. If you're spending more than a few hours a day masturbating/gaming/idling, you're fucking up your potential, and you deserve whatever beta existence you incur on yourself.

Overzealous_BlackGuy · 2014-08-13T06:04:40+00:00

What if i replace my habits with more sex? Or is there more to this than improving our sex life

Entrefut · 2014-08-13T06:50:34+00:00

I did nofap for awhile, it's not easy. I got 30 days down. Honestly I felt good, but the urge was just getting insane. If I got drunk I would usually slip, if I got high I would slip, if I couldn't get to sleep I would slip, rainy day off I would slip. It's an easy form of temporary satisfaction that ultimately degrades us and gives us a false sense of accomplishment.

No fap is a great place to start you jouney towards becoming an alpha male. Once you have started dating more women and fucking fairly often, fapping isn't as big of a deal. If it's the only way you get off, it's the worst thing for you.

2014-08-13T08:58:01+00:00

Naturally high test guy here.

Longest I've ever gone was four days, then I basically came in my pants.

Not doing that shit again.

2014-08-13T10:13:17+00:00

My 2cents on no fapping:

I guess it does not have the same effect for everybody. For me, me after fap and me before fap, is two different persons. When I do not fap, I am more aggressive, assertive. I lift more, I talk louder, I act direct. I have fucking insane drive from my balls to my brain. Sometimes drive is so strong that I feel kind of a burn in my chest. I feel as animal then. I want to win wars and conquer battlefields.

However when I fap it, video games or watching TV instead of doing something are perfectly ok. Also after fapping I am submissive as fuck.

It may be that this contrast is not healthy. I doubt. But goes for me. Really a difference. I feel that it is not just your whities going out when you fap. Your whole sexual, dominant, masculine energy as well.

Now I do not fap. In case I did not fuck in a week I have to fap on sunday. Do not ask, I have to.

I do not fap not because I think it is immoral or similar (I fap sometimes before reading or learning. To focus better). If I like I am going to do it. But simply because I am ten times more masculine with sexual energy in my balls.

Again, probably it is not the same for everyone.

2014-08-13T12:33:51+00:00

How do you justify all the criticism on it but saying 0 isn't good either? And why isn't 0 good?

scalentorn · 2014-08-13T13:07:49+00:00

Oh god the ignorance and broscience is flowing so strong in this thread...

johnyann · 2014-08-13T13:25:56+00:00

It's funny, I always thought that drug addicts were just weak-minded people that were a waste of life.

Then I tried quitting masturbation after a solid 10 years of jerking it every day.

Holy fuck this is hard. I dropped booze on a day's notice. I dropped pot on a day's notice. But not jerking off...

I could go a couple of days. Maybe even a week every once in a while. But it just comes into my head and you can't stop yourself. I just need that release.

Not having anyone to have sex with doesn't help.

I dunno. I'll continue to struggle with this. Hopefully I'll make more progress. But it's hard has hell man.

Brandwein · 2014-08-13T17:22:29+00:00

Actually, no one ever said to me that masturbation is healthy. Nobody pushes me either, haha.

It is a topic thats not spoken about. So it is forbidden sweet fruit. I don't see it as something different than eating and pissing. I am not a slave of eating and pissing, it is a normal though less important (cause not for survival) need, but it is fun.

So if masturbation is being a slave of urges, fucking women is the same. But the latter is with more risks involved.

If you feel bad after masturbation, firstly thats the hormones, secondly, i don't feel bad after masturbation, or ashamed, i just am not attracted and hyped up about the material before me anymore. I swap from sexuality to rationality in 1 second or less. Thats natural for men.

The ability to be attracted comes back after little time though.

If you feel genuinely ashamed after masturbation, you need to work on your self esteem. Happiness is only achieved through yourself.

2014-08-13T17:32:41+00:00

Honestly the best post I've read on here in terms of communicating a point.

DistanceSkater · 2014-08-13T19:43:54+00:00

I disagree 100%

Masturbation (for me) is just normal maintenance. No difference than hitting the weights or going for a run. Whenever I feel like it, I just rub one out. No second thoughts or remorse. I get laid on the reg, masturbation is just a supplement to my sexual needs.

I've tried the whole "No fap" thing and all it did was lower my standards of the women I would sleep with. Made me way too horny.

Masturbation is a male tool that is useful if you know how to use it. Just as with drugs and alcohol, there is a huge difference in Use and Abuse

If you're the type of guy that can sit inside and watch porn all day....Or for longer than 20 minutes I think you should consider giving it up.

RedPillExclusive · 2014-08-13T19:51:56+00:00

It's like all you niggas think about is having sex.

Calm the fuck down, stop stressing out and live life.

You're acting beta as fuck right now.

ktappe · 2014-08-13T20:57:17+00:00

This entire post feels disturbingly like a religious sermon, meant to keep us in line using shame. TRP isn't a church, dude.

Feel free to disagree with me but try and keep it rational and emotional free.

Like this?

you feel utterly disgusted and ashamed

Nope, no emotion there.

demetrios3 · 2014-08-14T17:57:38+00:00

Worst post I ever read. You offer the same guidance as the Church but compared to your theirs make sense.

natethegreattt · 2014-08-13T02:58:08+00:00

These penile stroking puns are getting out of hand.

easyrandomguy · 2014-08-13T07:38:57+00:00

i respectfully disagree...

2014-08-13T04:09:18+00:00

I'm 16 years old, goin on 17. lemme tell you, NoFap is a fucking nightmare for me

egoisenemy · 2014-08-13T07:03:26+00:00

It has been a pretty big problem with me. Last time (a few weeks ago) I was inside a girl, my dick just kind of got floppy after a while. Couldn't really finish so it was a big disappointment.

2014-08-13T07:20:07+00:00

Wow. I really need to change my ways. I just realized how destructive my need has become.

bluedrygrass · 2014-08-13T10:16:44+00:00

I 100% agree. Individual habits aside, peoples tends to react in an hostyle way to things like avoiding porn and masturbation because they feel under attack or that this limits your freedom.

But there's even science behind it. Take a look at a site like

http://yourbrainonporn.com/

It exaustively explain why, scientifically, porn is harmful to the brain chemistry.

And it's only abvious that it is. Virtual females (and even other things explained there) are better than anything you will ever able to get (nobody can get virtual limitless number of 9s at the intensity and rate porn provides). It fucks with the brain reward system.

Now the masturbation part. Since ancient times a lot of completely different and isolated populations in the entire world developed mottos and warnings about the dangers of wasting semen.

Chineses, particularly. And the old antics of avoiding ejaculation (not just masturbation) for days and weeks before an athletic or mental competition is well known and still used by a lot of athletes.

Muhammad Ali used to do it, for example. He firmly believed that his month-long abstinence before a fight was one of his biggest assets.

A recent example could be this guy

https://www.google.it/search?q=david+haye&client=firefox-a&hs=9jr&rls=org.mozilla:it:official&channel=np&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=MDbrU4bXDdLB7Aa3pYCQDA&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=661

David Haye is a former heavyweight champion of boxing, and the last undisputed cruiserweigh champion.

6'3, 220 lbs of lean muscle masses, handsome, rich, whatever else. He should be drowing in pussy, right? Yet he believes in abstaining from ejaculation for six weeks-six before a fight. That's a month and a half.

Here's what he have to say about it

"I don’t ejaculate for six weeks before the fight. No sex, no masturbation, no nothing. It releases too much tension. It releases a lot of minerals and nutrients that your body needs, and it releases them cheaply. Releasing weakens the knees and your legs. Find a lion that hasn’t had some food for a while, and you’ve got a dangerous cat. So there won't bet a drip from me. Even in my sleep — if there are girls all over me in my dream, I say to them, "I’ve got a fight next week, I can’t do anything. I can’t do it.” That’s control. I’ve been doing that since I was fifteen and its part and parcel of my preparation now. That’s why Im am who I am today — it's down to all those little sacrifices. Find me another boxer who makes that sacrifice, and you’ll find another champion."

And after all, it only makes sense. You dont need to ejaculate, your body don't need it. We have only bound ourself to that habit since we were adolescents.

Lions, tigers, gorillas, every kind of big, powerful mammal you can think of, they don't masturbate, ever, and yet they never suffer from it. To the contrary. Bulls becomes passive and lethergic after an ejaculation.

No, our testicles can't explode if we don't ejaculate for a long time. Our body is built to not ejaculate often, not the other way.

When we were hunters-gathers, and we were starving and fighting every day, we didn't waste our energies and our precious chemicals. We couldn't afford it.

Obviously it is incredibly hard to stop the masturbation and porn consuming habit. It is chemically difficult. We've wired our brain circuits to seek pleasure and gratification in porn and masturbation when we feel bored, depressed. After decades of an habit, you can't simply quit it.

It requires months and even years according to how deep of an habit it is for you.

Just for the sake of knowledge, you should make some research about the argument. A good start could be subreddits like /r/pornfree and /r/NoFap .

Don't be weird out by the apparent strangeness of the whole concept.

Keep your mind open, and you'll realize that, like every other thing, you can go your whole life doing a certain thing without apparent harm, but looking deeper, that thing is effectively harming.

The benefits can be immense. They have been, on me, and on many other peoples. NoFap is a subreddit bigger than TRP, wich can seem strange, yet it is steadily increasing, and there are a lot of motivating and intriguing stories on it. It is a pity that the best ones get regularly lost , it is a bad modded site with no useful sidebar material.

But some peoples there are amazing.

Everyone can benefit from it. At the beginning it will obviously be very hard, but give it time and you'll see with your eyes. Like many other peoples, you'll probably never turn back to your old habits.

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LeeryLucifer · 2014-08-13T11:49:06+00:00

Well, interesting idea. But I dislike how you, based on your own experience, claim that it applies to all men. It doesn't. Just because you are more assertive, more aggressive and on the prowl with nofap; does not make it so for all the guys out there. Also, not everyone wants to be more assertive, more aggressive and more on the prowl. Some of us are already borderline assertive (on the brink of being total douchebags), too aggressive and find constantly being on the prowl to be rrrreeally tedious and boring.

You ask: How does fapping make me feel? It feels pretty damn sweet. Do I do it because I have to or because I want to? Bit of both, mostly want to. Does it make me "happy"? No, very little does. Fucking chicks doesn't make me "happy" either. It just eases a sexual urge. Same as shitting doesn't make me happy, but it satisfies a physical need.

I tried a 10 day nofap period. No porn, no fap for ten consecutive days. Most.boring.week.ever. It was a workweek, so after work; instead of surfing for some nice hookers online, some nice extreme anal porn and so on for a couple of hours, I was stuck making dinner and watching some lame-ass TV. During the weekend I didn't get any more poontang than I do with fappage and I just felt annoyed when going out; did not feel better.

That being said, the orgasm I had (from a hooker) on the 11th day was fucking epic. I fucked her in the ass and then I came bareback in her mouth (she swallowed). Very satisfying.

Dream4eva · 2014-08-13T12:08:22+00:00

I don't know what you classify as porn. But a homemade sex tape or a chick shoving a dildo up her ass in her room isn't fake, they are having a good time and honestly watching a girl enjoy herself doesn't make me ashamed of myself...

southernmost · 2014-08-13T12:45:48+00:00

The world pushes you to masturbate because it says its healthy.

"The world" isn't saying it's healthy; urologists and other such highly trained medical professionals are. If you're not jerking off, you are completely reliant on women to maintain prostate and testicular health.

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2014-08-13T14:06:37+00:00

ITT: people still plugged in.

adrixshadow · 2014-08-13T10:24:18+00:00

Being this retarded.

Masturbation is the only thing that will completely crush feminism.

Simply put masturbation completely alienates men from women, if they go out and see that his options don't even give him a boner his out.

That means he will either swallow the red pill and improve himself, get into a religious enclave or fuck off.

That means feminisms sexual market evaporates.

Finally the market is fixing itself.

Talking about how stupid masturbation is also doesn't make sense.

If you focus on improving yourself and your goals most of addictions and habits go on a back burner.

You only have addictions if you aren't doing something with your life.

Masturbation beats food,drugs and alcohol so if you are going to have an addiction its the best your going to get, yes it screws your brain and shit, so what?

2014-08-13T09:18:59+00:00

This one time I was jacking off so much in one day. Like the most I've ever done. It was seriously like 6 times. I only quit the 6th time because I got a stinging headache, that sucker was sharp. Yeah jacking off is cool with me

Atheisticles · 2014-08-13T03:39:34+00:00

How does masturbation apply to married men? Does it help with me not cheating?

agumonkey · 2014-08-13T10:31:24+00:00

Follow his lead http://www.vice.com/read/our-interview-with-a-guy-who-didnt-masturbate-for-100-days-722

ishi05 · 2014-08-13T11:38:18+00:00

At least OP is being honest. I think masturbating to porn is the male form of hypergamy. We want what we imagine to be the top 5% of girls, the one's who manage to appear both hot and super horny. Their personality doesn't matter, and if it is unattractive, we can just skip to the part where she's blowing/getting fucked. You are correct about the effects of masturbation, but there are some assumptions I believe you are making. Be prepared, this is my male hamster at work.

Now, I want the best woman. TRP has taught me to spin plates, and that is definitely easier to do when you aren't jacking off to porn. It creates that sexual drive, that need which forces you pursue women. Jacking off to porn accustoms you to cumming with 9's and 10's. It cuts off at too high a level the women you find physically attractive (no 7's, maybe the occasional 8) If you masturbate solely to satisfy an urge, then I agree with you that it is unhealthy because most (myself included) feel unmotivated afterward.

My contention is this; if you can masturbate mindful of these pitfalls it can actually lead to a better collection of plates. I now only sleep with 8-10's. Believe me when I say that most of them are vapid bitches. It's not their fault, they've been pampered by blue bill bitches on their every whim, so I don't blame them. There are some that are aware of this trend and are very insecure about it, to the point of actually developing a personality, and they make for better plates. This is how male hypergamy can be used to benefit me. The only way it could get better is if I could land one that earned her own keep, yet for whom I was her oneitis due to naivite. If only I could find a place where women who might meet these requirements congregate. I'm currently auditing a University Fundamentals of Biology class at multiple schools.

You are absolutely correct that masturbation saps your energy and motivation. However, I found that I was easily distracted, not motivated by this energy when studying. I have found that studying after fapping is easier. This is the exact opposite for physical exercise. For this, I believe that nervous, tense energy makes for a great workout, and I make sure that I fap no later than 10 hours before a workout.

I really do think that if you understand a thing, you can use it to your advantage. I masturbated unconsciously from 16-25, and my sex life was terrible. After finding TRP, it became easy to fuck women and that too can get old (for my sexual ADD, at least). My hypergamy is driving me to find what I think will be the best mate now. That is true human evolutionary biology. I want my AFBB. Even this, I have to be mindful of. I work as a PA, and I want a doctor. After living for 2 years post college in a porn-paralyzed daze as a lab tech, I found the manosphere and realized the value of financial literacy.

I'm content with a lifestyle that costs about 30,000 because during that time I learned skills to make myself independent (vehicle maintenence, cooking, budgeting) that allow me to live quite nicely (my standards are considered low by some, but I don't have a TV because I'd just fucking watch it all day instead of study/workout). The rest of the PA money is being invested in various mutual funds or used to pay off the grad school debt (120,000), and I hope to earn more by age 40 than my future wife. If we break up before then she will be the primary earner if and when we divorce (the only circumstance in which to get married without a prenup) and I will still be in my sexual prime. If I earn more than her and we divorce then it's going to suck fat financial balls but hey, I totally stole her youth and she can't get that back. Fair deal to me, she's still a doctor and will be fine on her own.

If you want monogamy over spinning plates (which I do) then I think this is a good route. If we were to be married without a prenup I would take on her med school debts. This is true. But if I can find a woman who is BP and I know what BP is, then I can mask BP language to get RP results. "Equality means that I pay off my debt and you pay off your's." Why would a man let the woman dangle an axe over his head? Because if he knows that the axe is coming and he is insightful enough to realize it he can take precautionary steps to ensure that the roles are reversed when the axe drops.

Alright gentlemen, this is my hamster. Shoot it down.

TL;DR Masturbating is fine if you know what it is and how to use it.

Totsean · 2014-08-13T13:29:00+00:00

I fap once a week or twice if I found something rare, I don't really fap to porn just random stuff that fancies me.

However, I am in a difficult situation so following my desires to get laid will get me killed or put in far more trouble, also I tend to be aggressive as fuck and really alpha when I go without fapping.

Those traits although HAWT put me at risk.

But yeah, moderation in everything is the key here man.

and yes I did ventured into route of sex sex, NOT RECOMMENDED, it literally destroyed me.

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symko · 2014-08-13T14:22:03+00:00

Movements like this is why we read about Romans adding lead to their drinks. If we go by general consensus for our ideals we end up doing things that turns us into mindless sheep.

Do some men have issues with masturbation? Yes. Do all of us? No. I'd rather a man follow his own urges and listen to his body's needs, after all it's one of the things you need to do when you lift. When you don't listen in lifting, you hurt yourself. When you don't listen in masturbation you're oogling and flirting with landwhales.

TLDR: "Everything in moderation." Remember this phrase, it comes up often.

2014-08-13T14:36:54+00:00

I watch porn pretty frequently, at least once a day.. However, I'm not attracted to women like that in real life; the same way you'd fuck a hot slutty stripper given the opportunity arises, but you would never take one out to dinner or introduce her to your family.

For me, masturbation is a nice relaxer without any physiological side effects (like alcohol and drugs). I don't jerk every time I get horny. I only do it during downtime when I'm relaxing at home. I also have the will power to go without masturbation. I recently went without it for about a month while I was backpacking across the United States, I just didn't really have time for it.

As long as masturbating isn't getting in the way of your everyday life or yielding results in the bedroom, I say keep calm and fap on.

Devtanix · 2014-08-13T15:10:41+00:00

A genuine question - they say that decisions are made clearer when you remove the sexual desire from the picture. Aka that clarity of thoughts you get after masturbation. Any comments?

2014-08-13T15:26:19+00:00

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UTHlXb0PXh4

BetterToBeFeared · 2014-08-13T15:26:29+00:00

As long as I am having sex a few time a week I cut off all porn and masturbation. If you are currently in incel mode till you get that next girl I would recommend listening to what OP has to say but also heed his "no 0 or 100 advice". Everything in life in moderation. My recommendation would be to cut out the porn and just fap a few times a week because of its benefits (stress relief, etc.) Remember men who get off a few times a week lower their risk of prostate cancer by 33%:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3072021.stm

leftajar · 2014-08-13T16:23:08+00:00

The second I learned to say no to myself, I learned to say no to women as well.

I have been trying to say this, as well as this, for months.

This is critically important. If you can control your own sex drive, you reduce how much power you are giving to women. That is only a good thing.

jjshinobi · 2014-08-13T17:33:55+00:00

Porn is to be academically used to set expectations and not be stuck with a Magikarp. How else would you know if you have a Gyarados?

etcomro · 2014-08-13T17:48:55+00:00

Tantra: the healthy alternative.

Lilcheeks · 2014-08-13T18:45:34+00:00

You know that feeling that comes .5 seconds after you finish jacking off, where the porn is still playing and you feel utterly disgusted and ashamed at what you're getting off to?

Honestly, I've heard this before and I have never experienced it.

2014-08-13T20:40:18+00:00

I'd be a beta if it wasn't for /r/nofap. I can read stuff on here as much as I want, but mental reset abstained from abstaining has allowed me to not be a piece-of-shit loser who can't pull pussy.

2014-08-13T22:13:20+00:00

You know that feeling that comes .5 seconds after you finish jacking off, where the porn is still playing and you feel utterly disgusted and ashamed at what you're getting off to? Yeah, that's your inner monologue speaking.

I do not understand this whatsoever unless you are religious or something. Can anyone explain this?

cooltrip · 2014-08-13T23:05:31+00:00

This post is absolutely pathetic and ridiculous. Masturbate as much as you want; it's perfectly ok.

Big downvote.

ps: lesbian porn is great.

999x666 · 2014-08-13T17:19:43+00:00

Hey congrats, your idiotic post was the final straw for me and I'm unsubscribing from this sub!

Just can't stand to read the opinions of any other morons who think there's something wrong with our society's sexual nature. It's human nature you fucktard.

There's nothing wrong with promiscuous women as long as they're honest about it.

There's nothing wrong with porn.

There's nothing wrong with masturbation. In fact it's been proven over and over again that it's healthy and absolute abstinence from orgasm can be very detrimental to your health.

Read a book you rp nazi.

Redpill was once simply about how to be a man. How to get laid, and how not to let women control you.

Now it's just filled with women hating, sex hating, close minded old bigots.

You're like the Bill O'Reilly of TRP.

Fuck off!!!!

cocardio · 2014-08-13T09:52:29+00:00

http://www.yourbrainonporn.com/book/export/html/148 No fap is bullshit, stop hamstering your failures.

TowardsBetterThings · 2014-08-13T12:12:58+00:00

I think nofap is absolutely useless for the vast majority of people. It can, however, greatly benefit those who watch porn multiple hours a day and masturbate excessively.

Let's take alcohol instead of porn. Giving up alcohol isn't going to give you any 'magical' benefits if you have a drink once in a blue moon, but it will help people who drink excessive amounts of alcohol. Abstaining from alcohol won't make an alcoholic superhuman, it simply restores the alcoholic to his 'normal' baseline, to how he would be without the negative consequences of consuming too much alcohol. Same thing applies to nofap; you can't fix something that isn't broken. If you masturbate once or twice a day and watch some porn now and then, nofap isn't going to do anything for you. But if you spend multiple hours a day watching porn and masturbate compulsively, you'll benefit from nofap.

I think this is the thing about nofap that causes most confusion. People who aren't addicted to porn/masturbation try nofap and find that it's absolutely useless for them, causing a lot of them to think nofap is useless for everyone. The flipside is the porn addict who abstains from porn, notices some benefits, and now thinks he's better than people who don't abstain. The r/nofap community is full of these people, gloating about how they're somehow superior to people who watch porn and masturbate. What most of them don't seem to realize (though I'm definitely not the first one to point this out) is that giving up porn when you're an addict doesn't give you superpowers, it simply brings you back to where you would be without watching porn all day.

Here's another way to phrase it. Let's say we take the number 100 to represent the baseline of human functioning. A lot of people in the nofap community seem to think that not watching porn and abstaining from masturbation somehow brings you higher than this baseline, i.e. it gives you all these magic benefits they talk about. I think it simply brings you back to 100, but only if you masturbate or watch porn so much that it takes you down from this baseline.

If you're used to being at 70 rather than a 100 because you watch porn and masturbate all day, it might seem you have superpowers after a period of abstinence, but I think nofap simply brings you back to 100...but only if you're addicted to porn/masturbation.

hepatosplenomegaly · 2014-08-13T13:24:54+00:00

I stopped beating it or looking at porn for 2 weeks, it just turned me into a crabby asshole. "Nofap" is just a bunch of pseudoscience and internalized religious/cultural guilt that says sexual behavior is dirty or immoral. It isn't. There's nothing wrong with whacking it, in fact it's one of the nicest things you can do for yourself.

Beat on, my brothers.

Jrix · 2014-08-13T14:18:42+00:00

By sheer coincidence, just before I was about to masturbate I noticed this post.

I actually delayed reading it until I was done for fear it potentially convincing me not to, despite not knowing what the contents of this post was.

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2014-08-13T13:28:47+00:00

a sore subject; Masturbation

For some of us more than others.

pag_el · 2014-08-13T11:29:47+00:00

Start inject yourself with testosterone and see if you still stand by your post, you low test faggot.

Title	Let's Talk About Masturbation
Author	TheeRyanGrey
Upvotes	346
Comments	414
Date	August 13, 2014 12:00 AM UTC (11 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/TheRedPill
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2debb2/lets_talk_about_masturbation/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/TheRedPill/lets-talk-about-masturbation.19331 https://theredarchive.com/post/19331

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