TRP is about holding frame, being the best version of yourself and respecting yourself yeah? People play "dread game" and use their superior size combined with confidence, strength, status and other attributes to woo women through expressing their masculinity yeah? Well that doesn't often work for me. Some girls like me but it's rare and I strike out 9/10 times. I'm 22, finishing college and 5'6. It's HARD.
Women want to date up, and often it feels like this is mostly about size. For women to be attracted she has to feel feminine. That's challenging when she doesn't look up to me. For women to stick around, they have to feel like they have something that's in demand that they can't get somewhere else. That's challenging when they don't look at me in the first place.
To be clear, I feel like a lot of this is cultural. In cultures that aren't American or Germanic, or I guess Chinese, height seems like one aspect of attractiveness. I had zero problems abroad, and the most attractive girlfriend I've had in the states was from a Filipino background. But in America it's like a fucking disqualifier that cannot be outweighed by other traits.
I've been with girls and had girlfriends but I sometimes get called a 'surprise player'. It's sort of a nickname for me because nobody expects me to do well at dating. Let me tell you something, that fucking HURTS. I'm in good shape, I'm almost done with a good degree. I'm smart, I've been a leader, I'm social, I dress well, take care of myself, have hobbies, even have some money banked, but it's still a SURPRISE that I do ok at dating because I'm short.
I don't want to hear from average men with short player friends. I don't want to hear from average men who didn't get attention until they found themselves and got their shit together. I don't want to her from 5'9 guys who 'feel short sometimes' I don't want to hear from tall men at all. Yes I know your height doesn't solve all your problems, but it allows you to play the fucking game.
I want to hear from short men. I want to know if they make it work. I want to know how they make it work. I want to know with whom they make it work.
Because here's the rub. Yes I can 'max out' whatever I want to and see some improvement. BUT, it's important to be able to weigh any improvement I might achieve against other ways of trying to be happy, like getting really in to anime and weed and living in my parents basement. Or becoming a preschool teacher and dropping acid on the side or whatever. In order to try I need to know that trying will actually work. So let's discuss. Can short people make it work? Who, what, when, where, why and how?
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I'm 5'3" and Asian living in America. Think you have bad odds? Learn to screen and play accordingly. Don't be so butthurt about rejection. It's all in your head.
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Ok. So here's the deal. I actually wrote a post a few days ago regarding this and got a ton of shit for it. I'm a 5'6 man and 31 years old. I was never quite in the best shape but I never became and obese slob. But one thing that I can say is that I always had confidence with people. I may have been a bit shy in my teens, but by the time I hit my 20's, I had a great social life and never had issues asking women out if I found them attractive. But, like you said, it is not easy. Being a short man is bad business for sure. Men are meant to be looked up to as you said. Sure, being confident, holding frame, etc. will give you SOME results. But unless you have exceptional social status, (ie politician, celebrity, community leader, wealth etc.) you will never have the same results as the average and above heighted men. Women with high SMV will not even notice that you are in the room unless you are shouting. Average women will be a bit nicer but usually won't date you unless they are one of the exceptional few who are more open to "dating outside of their preference". Low SMV women are obviously the easiest to attract but many of them have their own dislike of short men (Extreme case, but an 25 year old autistic volunteer was asked by a coworker if she thought I was cute as a fun hypothetical question, the girl replied yes, but that I was too short for her...she's only like 5'3ish....full blown autism but her sexual instinct is very well intact apparently).
This has been my experience. To us it very much is a numbers game. Many here will say that it is a numbers game for all men. But like I said, and you also seem to realize, average and above average have it FAR easier. I cannot emphasize how much of a difference a few inches makes to a man's success rate with women. A fat 5'10 guy can get more ass than a normal weighted 5'5 guy hands down. I've seen it myself time and time again. So many of these dudes on here really cannot relate at all to our situation because the world is a completely different place for them.
Bottom line, us short dudes (5'7 and below imo) are playing the dating game on EXTRA HARD MODE. We CAN get laid, but we have to numb ourselves to the harsh realities of life more often than others. If not, we end up in a dark place, (I've seen it happen).
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It is hard, man. But like I said, its a numbers game. Keep playing! A lot of women won't want to date or fuck us. However there are still many that will. Just remember to value yourself as a person. You are not defined by what a large number of women perceive us as. Women are not godesses that define our worth. If they dont think youre fuckable, fuck them. Enjoy the shit out of life. Sure, life isn't fair. But trust me, it could be worse. Trust me. And it's ok to feel shitty sometimes. But then its time to dust yourself off and go back at it. The bright side is that as long as you make an effort to approach, despite more misses, you will still get hits. Remember that, man. Good luck
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27 and 5'6" and here. We're at an initial disadvantage obviously, especially during our 20s. We won't be hired as male strippers anytime soon either. But it's funny...other than becoming a model/stripper it's mostly online where height matters. Put 5'6" in your description on Tinder and you will get 1 match a year. But the real world is a completely different story - demonstrate you're not insecure about it = easy tingles. I've been approached and complimented more times by girls taller than me than shorter than me. It's actually blown my mind a few times. And almost every girl who I've fucked has given me some shit about being short - it's fun to them. It's a test. It's gotten to the point where if a girl makes some dig at me about being short I know for a fact that this chick is interested. Unconsciously she's letting me know she's checking me out plus shit testing me for insecurity.
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Depends on my mood. If I'm feeling cocky I'll say something like "Well I can't be perfect." Feeling silly, I'll say "You love it. Just carry me your bed, princess style." Or if I'm not not in the mood I'll just ignore it or stare in their eyes with a blank face until they get uncomfortable.
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Why not shit like "I'll look taller when you're on your knees". Our the classic "we're all the same height when we're horizontally doing the tango"
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Every girl will eventually try to get under your skin somehow if she's interested. If it's not your height it'll be something else - Shit tests 101
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Pfft, 5'6 is easy mode. Try it as 5'4.
If you are at least aware and know the tiniest bit of how to game you're still ahead of the pack.
You might be automatically disqualified from 90% of women, and some of the 10% will just dipset if you dread game them. But the thing is, you can always be in better shape / game better, and that's all you can do and there's no point mulling over "oh what if I was 5'10" cause that does nothing for you.
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i'm 6 foot, I saw it first hand when I use to hit bars with my shorter mates they would hardly get a look in from girls who's eyes would automatically be on me as I stood out taller. My shorter mate could out dress me and out game me, yet my height gave me a distinct advantage and I didn't even have to do anything for that. World is harsh on short guys, but its like buying a TV do you want the 32" or the 52" with the same spec for the same price?
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Height doesn't have anything to do with getting bitches. If you think all tall men get bitches with ease?Well, if they aren't lying, you'll find 6'4 guys struggling even to talk with girls.
It's all about your symmetry.There is something called golden ratio.I don't want to brag but I do get a lot of girls-girls even plead me to be in a relationship with them(I don't want to be in a relationship anyway) and I am 5'6.I am from Asia though.
And no, it's not because I am from Asia that I could eff these bitches.The only good thing about me is my body.It's 10% BF with a very definite structure.Let me tell you, it's not big.It's just average but very definite body structure.Being a brown guy, I got this natural tan anyway and that's it.The best of all, I am a guy who believe that I can whoop Taylor Swift and walk away from her with ease.Just believe, she is a girl.
I forgot to say, I got a job and can drive a BMW (That's the best I can, no lambos here)
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Also 5"6.
You're going to be dealing with the biggest disadvantage in the SMP that a man can face, and it's completely undisguisable.
However it isn't all downside.
Most of your uphill battle is going to be with confidence, as those rejections are going to be more frequent and a lot ruder than other guys will come across, you have to be careful not to late this disrupt your frame - so that when you do come across the women who don't care about height your previous experiences aren't there holding you back.
Girls who don't care about height, yes this IS a thing, although not common. What this does mean is as a short guy there's no real upper limit on what kind of girl you can pull. If you're a 9 or 10 /10 amongst 5"6's, then you can be with a 9 or a 10, why? Because 5 or 10% of those female 9s and 10s GENUINELY DON'T CARE ABOUT HEIGHT, and as long as you're in frame and on point when you meet those, you're going to look like a complete stud in her mind and one who she probably won't worry so much about being a player.
Have excellent posture, always. Observe your friends and try to see what the optimum level of boisterousness seems to be for them, got it? now add 20%. You don't want to be that guy that's overcompensating, but the truth just is that as a short guy being slightly louder and more aggressive is in your best interest, in my opinion this is where the napoleon complex comes from (and why it's often used fallaciously).
Remember that height is a perception, if you're doing these well people may not even register you as short in their mind, part of the mixed blessing of how height, social status and attractiveness are intermingled. You're with a bunch of guys, they're 5'10 5'9 5'8 and 5'9 etc. If you can be the most attractive person in this group, guess what, nobody is going to have you down as 5'6 in their head! People regularly tell me they think I'm 5'9 or 5'10, and yes this is those that have met me in real life and seen me standing next to people genuinely that tall.
The end game is to get to that point where it doesn't even register in your head that you're a short guy, your numbers game is always going to have a worse return ratio than the taller guys, and the optimal way to play the game for you requires more effort and a lot more energy, but do not think for a second that being short means you have some sort of glass ceiling on what you can pull.
Hope this helps, all in all make no mistake it's going to be an uphill battle, and one where general society does not acknowledge your disadvantage, but victory is still within your grasp.
You should also find a few things; you should be able to get away with more peacocking as a short guy, and girls tolerance for being intimidated by you should be higher, use these to your advantage.
A lot of people don't realise: many women are very self-conscious about their own height, for this reason I generally find going for the short women to often be a non-starter, they frequently have stringent and quite unrealistic standards for height in particular, because they're projecting. Women who are roughly your own height or maybe slightly shorter or even taller are a good bet.
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