When "No" is a shit test

No_disintegrations · 2013-10-01T13:38:12+00:00

As nice as it is to take charge and dominate in the bedroom, shit like the situation you described drives me insane.

Women have the ability to make rape accusations and fucking ruin us. I can understand why most guys would walk out after hearing NO a couple of times.

redpillshadow · 2013-10-01T18:25:27+00:00

Here's how I deal with this situation:

" 'No' is not your safeword. Your safeword is 'Red'. If you use your safeword then tonight is over, no takebacks. If you don't use your safeword, I stop when I'm good and ready."

Then they can moan 'no' all they want and I have a completely sound conscience to ignore it. If they say red I put my pants on and leave, no discussion. That's only happened twice and both times they were like "I didn't mean it, I didn't think you'd really leave!"

GermanDude · 2013-10-01T15:15:20+00:00

I had a situation like the one you described a bit ago.

Except I just up and walked.

I'm sorry, but pussy, ANY pussy, I don't care how good it is isn't worth setting myself up for a rape accusation.

If they can't even be honest with me when they're naked they aren't worth the time.

McMurphyCrazy · 2013-10-01T14:06:20+00:00

This sounded way too close to Louis CK's bit about the girl who wanted him to "just go for it"..."I'm getting a rapey kind of vibe from this chick!" Chick sounds like a nutcase. I'd go out of my way to have evidence she wanted sex with me to avoid charges.

onacho · 2013-10-01T13:55:07+00:00

That's what always drove me nuts about my now-ex-wife. On Monday, 2+2=4. On Tuesday, 2+2=5. On Wednesday, ❀+흫=〠. The answer depended on her mood, and whether or not she was feeling vengeful. She would change her mind three times after having made a life-changing decision. She had no sense of responsibility or honor, and no ability to plan or build for the future. In short, just like DaddyMonster said, she was a child. But I let her do it; I facilitated it. Had I enforced consequences for her bad actions and behavior early on, she would have learned. Instead, I dutifully covered up for her, paving over her mistakes like a crazed sidewalk repairman.

[deleted] · 2013-10-01T13:46:59+00:00

Just be careful with potential rape charges man. Make sure to get a text the next day saying she had a good time or something and keep it on record.

iKill_eu · 2013-10-01T16:43:18+00:00

Would've noped the fuck out as well, rape accusations aren't worth the fun.

DaddyMonster · 2013-10-01T13:43:38+00:00

I'm about 30 seconds away from just leaving when she has the gall to start laughing at how angry I am

You've learned how to deal with LMR of that type now, right?

For those who haven't, here's a basic strategy.

When certain it's not real, try to push through. For example, make it difficult for her to talk by kissing her more intensly.
When uncertain, or if it's appropriate to the type of LMR she's putting up, withdraw attention, and stay fucking cool. Do not get angry. She'll come right back at you, though often discreetly, soon enough.

None of this surprises me now, but objectively it's kind of fucked up that a grown woman can't take responsibility for her own desires, and the onus has to be on me literally every step of the way.

"Grown women" are children.

They have evolved to be passive and reactive. They've not evolved to take responsibility; they've evolved to seek male provision and protection, and to make sure that those who impregnate them are of the highest possible quality.

They've therefore evolved to test men, and it's what they do. Every step of the way.

HumanSockPuppet · 2013-10-01T16:10:29+00:00

The correct seduction procedure would have been to freeze her out when she gave you her token no.

But your near-walk-out was almost like a freeze out, except with some emotional outrage stirred in. It did the trick, but it took some more coaxing on her part.

Women always LMR with that shit.

RedBigMan · 2013-10-01T19:14:35+00:00

My rule of thumb...

When she says 'NO' think with your brain not with your dick.

maicansur · 2013-10-01T15:58:58+00:00

If she's attracted enough to you then you can compliance test her to give you the go ahead. The key is to frame it correctly like you already know how turned on she is, but you want her to verbally assent without asking for her permission. For example:

gaze at her with the 'I'm going to fuck you eyes' and say "Tell me how much you want me to fuck you hard right now"
gaze at her with the 'I'm going to fuck you eyes' and say "Tell me how much you want it"
gaze at her with the 'I'm going to fuck you eyes' and say "I'm going to tease you until you're begging for it"

Basically, compliance test them with a command. If they are attracted to you and really turned on then they will give their affirmation.

If they don't, then you can keep teasing them until they beg you to put it in. This is the key here. If they refuse then you can keep teasing because you pretty much eventually reach a point where her LMR will cave to continued teasing/foreplay. Then you can say "Oh, you can't take anymore teasing? Good thing I'm merciful" and then fuck her hard.

If she says something vague like "do it" then you can playfully tease her and smirk "do what?"

As most said, don't get angry in any way shape or form. Taking charge is good, but it does leave yourself open to rape if something goes wrong. Which is why some sort of compliance test is best.

Disillusi0n · 2013-10-01T21:56:01+00:00

Soon as I hear the word no I'm out. They want to play that game, I'm not going to. No vagina is worth the risk.

monsieurhire2 · 2013-10-01T18:54:21+00:00

It's alpha, but legally problematic to take the woman based on nonverbal communication of Yes, but verbal communication of No. In any case, the woman can lie and say she never indicated Yes nonverbally. It's also alpha, IMO, to just get up and leave, saying you're not going to indulge a rape fantasy for someone you barely know. It's beta to tiptoe around the whole thing, to wheedle, to persuade, to guilt, to pout, etc. And yes, it's bullshit that they can't take responsibility for their desires. Then they'd be men.

GushyWetWet15 · 2013-10-01T14:34:08+00:00

be careful brah. in this fucking day and age you get charged with rape just for looking at a girl. no doubt the feminists and manginas already deem you as a rapist also since she didnt "consent" lol (even though she was fucking loving every minute of it)

Memento_Mori_Comitis · 2013-10-01T16:06:46+00:00

And now all she has to do to pin you with rape is to go to an authority and say "I told him no", which you won't be able to deny.

[deleted] · 2013-10-02T02:51:04+00:00

No means no so I walk. I don't go all "alpha" and fuck her - Fuck that! I don't wanna risk going to prison.

P.S I'd have sex but I wouldn't have sex with a girl who said no. End of story

JohnGalt316 · 2013-10-02T12:03:32+00:00

that is how guys get their lives ruined OP

there is no jury that would let you walk free if she actually said the word NO regardless of her intentions

niceguy_gone_cad · 2013-10-02T20:17:00+00:00

You're lucky she enjoyed the sex, otherwise she'd call rape.

elite5472 · 2013-10-01T14:07:23+00:00

I don't see what your point is.

She said yes right there.

Terminal-Psychosis · 2013-10-01T16:19:39+00:00

The only bad thing about that situation is the threat of being labeled a rapist. Even winding up in jail on false charges!

That shit does happen. Most (all i've met) women like the rape fantasy, and some play more hardcore than others.

Gotta know who you can trust, and like you said, women are wierd. Society makes them like that. Their bodies rarely say the same thing in the heat of the moment, that their brains say in a normal state.

That so little of them are AWARE of that fact is why I tell a chick to say what she means. Encourage them to be assertive. Glad for you it all worked out. Sounds like you found a good female friend.

albertyuthepianist · 2013-10-01T16:38:40+00:00

A good rule: If she's smiling, keep going.

[deleted] · 2013-10-01T18:23:17+00:00

There's definitely a difference between 'tee-hee nooooo, staahhhhp' and 'NO'. That's why it's so important to read body language as well.

30years · 2013-10-01T20:09:39+00:00

Push thru, record every second of audio on your phone until you leave and are on your way home (without her knowing of course). Make her say the filthiest shit you can imagine. make her call you daddy, make her beg to be fucked. That's your evidence against false rape charges.

dumbgaytheist · 2013-10-02T02:49:51+00:00

You can make your own choices, but that's one shit test I'll gladly fail.

Not getting involved in that kind of scenario, and I think it's irresponsible and dangerous to imply this kind of scenario will just work out if you follow your animal instincts.

There are too many women out there for me to risk ruin like that. I hope some dope doesn't get the wrong idea and follow your lead to a terrible outcome.

jagrmeister721 · 2013-10-02T02:50:01+00:00

When No means Yes. And yet women want to tighten rape laws to define any sexual contact without explicit approval as "rape".

Rhodos · 2013-10-01T15:04:06+00:00

Are you Louis CK? :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4hNaFkbZYU

Olipyr · 2013-10-01T23:34:42+00:00

The first time I hear the word no, I nope the fuck out and never speak to that crazy bitch again. I don't give a shit if it is a shit test, if she has the gall to say no as a shit test after my dick is out and her panties are off, fuck her.

If you've never been falsely accused of rape, then you can't quite grasp what that does to a person. That feeling in the pit of your stomach is just....indescribable.

I can masturbate.

rhettdu · 2013-10-02T00:32:53+00:00

My rulebook says "no means no" - both because the freeze-out is the best way of beating Last Minute Resistance, AND because I REALLY don't want to go to prison.

I told a girl once that when she says "no" or "stop" or anything like that, I'm gone. After the third time she did gasped "no, we mustn't" she said my rule was stupid. I asked "okay, would you prefer it if I ignore you if you tell me to stop?" she thought and said no, and then stopped the whole "no, please, I'm so innocent" BS.

Still, I think the whole rape fantasy is something that isn't that rare, and needs to be properly discussed. as if that's going to happen

rhettdu · 2013-10-01T19:06:53+00:00

Oddly, I disagree with almost everyone here.

This IS NOT lmr in the traditional sense
This is NOT a false rape dangerzone
You should thank the girl

LMR, is a girl needing you to convince her that she isn't going to feel like a slut after this is over. This girl here, is not motivated by that fear, she is specifically trying to increase tension, anxiety, and ultimately the intensity of the sexual encounter. As OP described, she did exactly that. And I'm sure it was awesome for him too. He should thank her.

Just because this sounds vaguely similar in detail to a feminist's date rape trope, doesn't mean the nuanced differences are not significant. Realistically, all she did, in the most explicit of terms, was ask you to be a fucking man. She basically said, what are you a faggot?!

I, like most of you here, am paranoid about consent so I probably wouldn't have 'just gone for it' like OP. But I definitely would have (and have in the past) taken command. Oh, this is a game, I'll play. Get on your fucking belly and put your ass in the air - now slide your panties down. You make her verbally and physically consent without saying beta shit like 'is this ok, how about this, do you feel comfortable'. Even if you're not that aggressive, you can always just say, 'what do you want to happen to you'. Notice this isn't "what do you want me to do". You are the object, I am what acts on the object. Things "happen" to you, I "happen" to fuck you.

tl;dr you can get unambiguous and explicit consent without being going full betamax.

[deleted] · 2013-10-01T21:58:22+00:00

Ill take the risk surrounding a rape case with the awesome sex they want and I enjoy giving.

The feeling of dominating a woman is great for both of us. Most of my sexual experiences have been this and I don't plan on changing it.

It's frustrating, but it's an underlying desire that women want but don't want to admit.

[deleted] · 2013-10-02T01:35:32+00:00

Why would a grown man react to that situation by pouting and then call her childish?

fategggringo · 2013-10-01T16:56:56+00:00

I've had a handful of situations like these. I have to be pretty sure I know what's up, because you can get so fucked.

PaulRivers10 · 2013-10-01T20:39:11+00:00

Op, thanks for posting.

It's an interesting story.

Here's the thing I've noticed about nearly all women - you build up the emotion, then drop it, and while they "follow" as long as you led there they will jump up to continue it.

My own biggest problem is that while I'm relatively good looking for a guy, and have no problem with women liking me, they're always waiting for the drop to pick up the other side. I'm a nerd, you know - I like the build-up, build-up - happen! And when I get turned down I just lose interest. Several times now, the girl comes back to me interested (though I hadn't been realizing she was interested until recently), but I've lost interest in her myself.

I've been trying to build and drop myself (rather than my old pattern of build-build-build), and it's shockingly surprising how effective it is...except I'm still in the old pattern where when the emotional level drops, I lose a lot of interest.

Dammit. Lol.

Title	When "No" is a shit test
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Upvotes	108
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Date	October 1, 2013 1:16 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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