Wait, what? We hate Rollo Tomassi now?

TheRedPike · 2019-06-03T16:34:52+00:00

This really isn't the place for this discussion, but the cat is out of the bag. Obviously there will be more said on this in the future. Meanwhile this link should refresh some memories on our (TRP mod crew) current position wtr 21 Con and the unfortunate bullshit surrounding it: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/bjvhpi/the_extra_chromosome_21_convention/

KeffirLime · 2019-06-03T10:40:46+00:00

We don't hate Rollo Tomassi.

The value of his work is the value of his work. In that sense I personally think he's offered a lot to the manosphere over the years. Where the issues have crept up is in his association with 21 Con/Red man Group.

If you haven't seen it already, the 21 con founder had a childish rant to the TRP mods for not relaxing community guidelines so that he can sell and advertise without building rapport, or even contributing to the community first.

He was given numerous opportunities to remedy the situation, but chose to double down instead, eventually leading to TRP severing all ties with 21 con and Anthony Johnson.

The issue is Rollo was still associated with 21 Con as well as The Red Pill. Some, including myself, felt it was necessary that he denounce 21 Con, for the scam that it is. That he not endorse and participate in an event filled with cucks (jack Murphy), Feminine men (Eliot Hulse) and narcissist con-men (Anthony Johnson) that charge 2k a ticket to turn men into "Alpha male".

He didn't do that for whatever reason, he never publicly addressed it either, this lead to a lot of individuals within the Red Pill to make their own conclusions about him. Personally as I said, the value of his work, is the value of his work and as long as it has practical value I'll make use of that aspect of it.

The twist, which is what you are referring to, is that it seems that Anthony Johnson, being the loose-cannon that he is has given Rollo the boot anyway. I can't say for what reason, that isn't clear yet, we'll have to wait, but it's certainly a comical chain of events.

kayfab · 2019-06-03T09:48:58+00:00

The only thing you need from Rollo is the rational male its pure gold, a part from that nothing else...... i quit sosuave in 2015 because it was full of whining simps blue pill, i wanted to learn how to be an alpha male this board was not the place at all.

Lukas1339 · 2019-06-03T11:03:47+00:00

Lol, withouth Rollo, RMG is just bunch of rambling pseudomacho men.. Most of them only regurgating his words and posts...

Darrowww · 2019-06-03T10:50:47+00:00

I was going to attend the 21 Convention in Poland. Not sure I will now.

Don´t know what happened, but Rollo (and others?) were kicked out of the event. I wanted to attend mainly to see Rollo. Now I´m not so sure if I´ll go.

Grown men wanting to teach us manly things act like a bunch of whiny girls. Sorry guys, but I am pretty disgusted right now.

LordFa9 · 2019-06-03T11:02:09+00:00

Rollo is the nerdy academic in the TRP world of wannabe Chads

If you want a strong alpha leader type man to emulate 100% it aint him

But of everyone he understands the most and makes the most sense

R3ginal · 2019-06-03T17:05:12+00:00

There's a small group of people that have started vocally slandering Rollo. And yet, no one in this group has contributed even 1/10th of what Rollo has to the manosphere, nor do they possess even 1/10th of the insight that he has on intersexual dynamics. These are delusional, envious people.

However, these people did have a point when it came to the 21 convention (Anthony, The Family Hobbit, Jack the Cuckold, Ivan Throne). And now, Anthony has kicked Rollo out of 21 con, and Rian stone, who was one of the few people who also provided good information on intersexual dynamics, has also decided to leave. This is great news for Rollo, Rian, the manosphere, and men in general. Now the 21 con is 100% hacks and hucksters, and their bullshit is further exposed for everyone to see.

Psychological_Radish · 2019-06-03T15:17:02+00:00

Well now that Rollo is no longer associated with Anthony Johnson and the rest of that cohort, hopefully people can finally stop screaming about him for it. But I doubt that will happen. It has become clear to me that the Rollo "hate" was always more than that. There's a substantial minority of ideologues on this forum who reject the notion that the Red Pill is strictly descriptive. They've drifted from intersexual dynamics theory and Game into making normative assertions about the way masculinity ought to be. Naturally anyone who doesn’t conform to these idiosyncratic standards is denounced as a Beta and anti-Red Pill.

I always thought it strange that Rollo would want to associate with complete charlatans like Anthony Johnson, but it seemed reasonable in light of his stated desire to grow the manosphere. Apparently that was a capital offense to some people here, who promptly seized on the opportunity to posture. I haven't the slightest idea why that posturing should be influential.

Efforts to purge Rollo from this sub are currently underway, and I don't imagine they will stop because of this development. It's been quite bizarre to witness, much like Mao's erasure of rivals during the Cultural Revolution.

Zakkaro · 2019-06-03T09:35:17+00:00

""We"" dont hate or like anyone, ""you"" can have your own opinion on people/things instead of waiting for this forum to tell you how to feel about X

brabg · 2019-06-03T12:07:55+00:00

The red man group (21 convention) is the toxic one.

-Promoting religion.

-Promoting gay behavior to heterosexual men.

-Promoting blue pills.

Darrowww · 2019-06-03T12:58:37+00:00

I´m really interested if Anthony is going to offer refunds for 21 Con without Rollo.

GGrub8 · 2019-06-03T09:05:11+00:00

As time passes, more and more redpill-aware men who don't actually practice what they preach keep showing up.

Rollo is being accused of being such a man because he's married and doesn't (noticeably) lift, both things that violate many core concepts of TRP.

We also know that men are supposed to communicate via actions, not words.

So what makes him a better example than someone who doesn't say anything but clearly shows that he lifts and doesn't commit to the (many) women he fucks?

Rollo might be one of the fathers of the red pill, but he's being rightfully criticized for not being a good concrete example.

Skinnyboiwithadream · 2019-06-03T11:05:05+00:00

This isn’t some sort of mindless cult, ‘we’ dont hate everyone that each other hates. Wtf.

Whisper · 2019-06-03T18:35:49+00:00

There is no "we". There is only me, and you, and the other guys reading this shit. And everyone gets to form their own opinion.

Yeah, Rollo has pissed some people off, but if you want to know what those people think, ask them.

Not my circus, not my monkeys.

sir_shitfuck · 2019-06-03T21:16:24+00:00

This place reminds me of a woman's club with all the drama, rumors, pouting and feminine bickering

R3ginal · 2019-06-04T00:14:13+00:00

We now know what happened:

https://twitter.com/GeorgeBruno/status/1135697796521177088?s=20

Rollo always said that his mission was to help unplug as many men as possible, and as long as 21 con was positive with that goal, he would work with them; as soon as it wasn't he would part ways. After all of the 21 con bullshit was brought to light by the Reddit red pill guys, Rollo spoke out internally against the low-IQ, purple pull scammers, and the people that felt overshadowed by him saw it as an opportunity to pounce and push him out.

"ITS NOT WHAT YOU SAID, IT'S YOUR TONE!"

Sound familiar? Where have we heard that before?

Oh, that's right, WOMEN.

That's exactly what these guys were. They were just faking it the entire time, riding off the coattails of Rollo, his brand, and the manosphere, trying to scam vulnerable men out of their $$$.

MarioBuzo · 2019-06-03T09:43:26+00:00

You're being a bit dramatic.

Almost everyone gets shat on during/after their AMA. The RMG dude says Rollo had some hard altercation with one of several other people in the group and it was too bad to not be noticed and have him away. Who cares.

mismm · 2019-06-03T09:49:55+00:00

Well just recently he made a video about the Iron Rules and he back-paddled saying they weren't really rules, rather "suggestions".

Ever since he's gone mainstream he has been softening the message to pander it to larger audiences.

Not to mention the guy looks weak (doesn't lift), is married and there's really nothing special about him on the surface that supports his supposed alphaness.

R3ginal · 2019-06-03T21:17:21+00:00

The 21 con speakers have kicked Rollo and Rian out, and now look at what they're tweeting - sound familiar?

https://twitter.com/RealBobbyDino/status/1135644541820624899

@RealBobbyDino

Red Pill, Blue Pill, Purple Pill, White Pill, Black Pill..

I’ve ALWAYS been No Pill.

As Real As It Gets.

Take That How You Want It

michael_1215 · 2019-06-03T17:05:33+00:00

If the Red Man Group channel is getting deleted, can someone back up all the videos on the channel? They are priceless knowledge.

PadThai42 · 2019-06-03T16:02:14+00:00

Overall, I'm glad people are finally seeing through this BS. I delved down the TRP rabbit hole for a solid 6 months and when I started listening to that bald white guy talk about 21 con, it reminded me of that ridiculous PUA community seminar I almost went to in Hollywood.

TheHumbleAfrican · 2019-06-03T19:24:11+00:00

Interesting discussions on Rollo, and generally TRP. Here are the only guidelines I used when I discovered TRP:

Think for yourself. Never take what any of these authors/speakers say for the gospel truth without a pragmatic and philosophical breakdown and analysis of their thoughts.
Learn about yourself and what you want out of life, your values, and principles.
Do what works, to meet your goals and your objectives in life.
Never pay (except say...$10 for the cost of a book) anything for someone to teach you how to be alpha.

I think Rollo has made a great contribution in helping a lot of men understand how women think. Is he fallible, and vulnerable to make mistakes in life like we all have? Absolutely. Lets remember that he wrote a blog, wrote a book and shared ideas that were worth spreading. He isn't the Pope or the Dalai Lama.

fcking77 · 2019-06-03T20:00:26+00:00

Should I stop watching red man group youtube videos?

BurnoutRS · 2019-06-04T00:32:59+00:00

who the fuck is this we shit?

Emerald__Faith · 2019-06-03T12:57:00+00:00

I've said it before and I'll say it again

Rollo is a man who dedicated his live obsessing over women, does not lift, and is married.

His obsession with how to get women has lead to some great ideas/Books I'll admit, but he's a prime example of a Beta.

goblinboglin · 2019-06-03T09:57:28+00:00

There is no reason why you should ever venerate him.

If you happen to have 10 good opinions and 2 shitty ones it doesn't mean we should brown-nose you and confirm those shitty ones.

Stop being dramatic, pussy.

Title	Wait, what? We hate Rollo Tomassi now?
Author	eldritchfloormop
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Date	June 3, 2019 8:16 AM UTC (7 years ago)
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