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[–]skyrunner22 51 points52 points53 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
This all seems legit because I can agree with most you said, only thing I kinda laughed at is when you said game is a bit overrated then said all it takes is social calibration, ability to approach and tease with proper escalation.......
ummm..
Thats essentially some of the top pillars of game! lmaoooo.. I think when you have been in it soo long and dont have those issues anymore it becomes a blind spot and you sorta become a natural like yea just be socially calibrated bro, you dont need game.. Well the guys looking for this stuff have NONE of that and the only place they can learn it is thru "game"..
The word is loaded nowadays and many people have many different definitions but what you said all you need is dam near the fundamental foundation..
[–]Additional_Effect840 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Fair point. What I meant by "game" is to avoid cheesy pickup lines, faking high value, etc.
"Game" is important no doubt, but I would suggest learning social skills over anything else. If a guy opens a girl with a canned pick up line they sound robotic and a girl can sense that from miles away.
Me talking to a girl and getting her number is not really "game", it's just basic social skills and me letting her know I'm interested in her. The teasing/flirting part I guess can be considered game but this is just normal. Though it is a loaded word nowadays so hard to define it exactly.
One thing I should note is that I naturally have dark triad characteristics which may have helped me all along and I was simply unaware of it. This is separate from game.
[–]skyrunner22 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I agree its a loaded word, I have seen soo many different definitions, but in reality its just specialized social skills, the canned stuff died a looong time ago and what we would considered normal was just something the nerds codified years ago for people who lacked those things that some learned at a young age.
Just saying when you say learn social skills over anything, in my head its the same as telling someone learn "game".. I think talking to a girl and getting her number would fall in that because i see tooooo many guys who would ask you "hey how did you do that?!" lol.. Its elementary really but we see post on here EVERYDAY asking those types of questions..
[–]Additional_Effect840 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly, well said. “How did you do that” just simply walked up to her and sparked up a conversation. This is how people met 50+ years ago.
Learning social skills at a young age is key which unfortunately not everyone does but this is an area to address first before trying to learn any seduction skills.
[–]ThePherdBeve 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"I'm interested in you"
Would that work?
[–]earsurgery9 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I agree with him, tbh. I think he's sort of saying that 'game' is largely just being normal. Most people who grew up with friends and stuff have as much 'game' as any of these PUA coaches and really don't need to 'learn' the stuff in PUA books etc as it's just common sense for most people. It's really not very difficult.
But it's massively overcomliacted due to marketing reasons. The same reasons coaches imply that it's some sort of jedi mind control when in fact, even at the 'highest' level, it's far from that, and is still a numbers game.
Find the girls who are attracted to you, and flirt a bit. Done.
You nailed it. It just comes down to being normal and socially calibrated. I think a major advantage, is not only having friends at a young age but also being exposed to other girls to learn fundamental social cues.
It's really a numbers game too, I can have the best "game" in the world but I would still not be able to sleep with a lot of women if I lived in rural America simply because I wouldn't have access to a lot of women.
I also agree to only focus on the girls that are attracted to you. Sure you can "make" a girl like you overtime but you had to earn that attraction, it wasn't raw desire. Therefore, I would see that as somewhat of a pity fuck so I stay away from that.
[–]skyrunner22 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I get what you are saying and agree for most part but to play devil's advocate a bit, why do we have this space then? Why do guys come here hat in hand EVERYDAY asking questions and confused as ever?
Should we just post find the girls who are attracted to you, and flirt a bit. Done? How about if the guy doesnt even recognize the signs she is attracted to him? I see loong post like that all the time about guys missing signals, how about if the guy doesnt know how to be attractive and him having no game is actually putting him in negative..
[–]earsurgery9 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Well now you're touching on an important subject.
If you've been in the community as long as me, you'll have noticed how things, including the advice has massively changed. (probably for the better)
In the old days, if someone said 'Hi, there's this super hot girl in my class. HOw do I bang her?', people would be answering it from the angle of MAKING her attracted. Answers would be like 'Start up a convo about class and be sure to drop in strawberrery fields routine. Then neg her a bit about her clothes. At this point she should be asking you stuff and now you can hit her with some qualification using your pushpull lines'' etc etc
NOW on seddit, every day you see people ask the same question, and you'll have noticed the 'advice' given nowadays is essentially 'tell her you like her/ask her out'.
You see the difference? It might seem like the community has gone downhill (since 'ask her out' is only gonna 'work' if she just happens to think you're hot), but you have to ask yourself WHY the former advice seems to have disappeared. It's because it never fucking worked lol. If it did, you bet your ass people wouldn't stop doing what got them laid.
People realised that the 'attraction' element (a pre-requisiste) is really almost entirely out of your hands. You can't seduce a girl who doesn't want to be seduced by you. And neither can mystery or Todd or whoever else (as we can see from their infields)
YOu are right though in that it doesn't mean we should dismiss 'game'. But we need to startt being realistic about what 'game' is actually for. And then getting more into the specifics of how best to do certain things (such as flirting and spotting signals etc)
[–]skyrunner22 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yea been in game awhile also, and from your post we see things the same way.. Only thing I can see is I see it all as game (specialized social dynamics/knowledge) and I guess you guys see game as only canned lines or whatever the old school guys were doing?
To me if a guy comes here and says what do I do about _______, and we say hey be socially calibrated (which is kinda vague and leaves alot of room for messing up) approach, tease a little, dont be needy, your responsibility to lead the interaction, dress like this, groom like that, dont be afraid of rejection, women are attracted to this type, etc all of that is game to me, yea some guys get it earlier but having it all here in one space for men to benefit from has helped TONS of men thru the years..
Maybe its just me but I just laugh how we can all be in this space, benefit from it then turn around and say to other newer guys who maybe dont have our now acquired knowledge you dont need game, then write everything that game says to do and just say do that, lol.. like huh? That was my only hangup, I definitely agree about being realistic what game is for, I think some people are more jaded by the marketing "get any women into bed" and take it super literal maybe..
[–]susumaya 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
Are you super good looking? Do you have a nice place? Nice car? High paying job? Rate median girl you’ve slept with? Are you white? How many 10s / <4s have you been with?
[–]st0nervirginsunit3 21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Yeah these posts much more often just depress me rather than help me. This is coming from an average guy at least which I assume most men on reddit are. So we average dudes come on these subs and compare ourselves to dudes in the top of the pyramid, so to speak. I mean banging 100 women ? If that’s even true that is sooooo much sex like I can’t even comprehend... And we take advice from guys in just totally different worlds lol. Seriously like I live at home I’m 27, mentally ill, don’t have some of the things that people just assume everyone has. Like their own place or even a car right now. I don’t know if any of OPs seduction advice even applies to me. Or if it would even help me. As many people as he’s banged he hasn’t been in my shoes so who knows.
Anyways I was gonna say, there’s a lot of factors that go unmentioned in these posts. Like financial standing for example. Or mental health as I mentioned.
I used to come on here comparing myself to other people and getting so depressed. You wouldn’t believe. Getting advice from people that had no clue about me or my life, not really. So just saying for anyone else out there, reddit can be a legitimately harmful drug. And it’s not reality. Sorry about the rant I don’t even comment at all anymore really. Lately if I go on reddit it is rare and I just lurk.
[–]Additional_Effect840 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Lost my virginity at 15 so it's taken me roughly 10 years to sleep with 100 girls. That's about 10 girls a year if we do the math on it. It's doable, and isn't that difficult if you put in the work. A lot of my free time is dedicated to this.
But hey man, if you're mentally ill I would focus on fixing that first. Being financially stable helps to a certain degree but I have never used money to sleep with a woman. And there are plenty of rich guys that can't get laid without using money to their advantage which IMO doesn't count as genuine desire.
[–]Canadian-Seductioner 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What would you say your yearly rate has been in the last 5 years? Or even last 3 years? Curious to know if it's been constant for you over the 10 years or if you've ramped it up more recently.
In the beginning, I just had a few chicks I would see/bang consistently and then get a new batch the next year but I got bored of that.
Over the last 3 years is where I've seen the most success. High teens to low 20s range. But this year has been my best, coming in at almost 30 which I'll likely hit before the year ends.
What is the work that you need to put in?
[–]st0nervirginsunit3 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah speaking about being mentally ill... I think it’s also a social thing. I don’t know if that’s doable for me. I’ve literally made no friends. None. Not one new friend since I was a teen. I mean if I could sleep with 100 different girls that’s sounds awesome and who wouldn’t want a lot of sex. To get up to your speed I’d need to bang a new girl every month and it takes me basically a month or more to even start getting past platonic with someone.
I literally just introduced myself to someone new for the first time in like 5 years today... idk why. My life is going nowhere but I guess I just try to be normal as best as I can. For the fuck of it or just as a joke idk. Working on my mental health comes with the caveat that I’m already so far behind my essentially nonexistent peers. A big problem is I live in a bubble, basically bubble boy from Seinfeld. I have no frame of reference. Idk what anyone in my shoes would do. It was Halloween two days ago and I’m 27. I stayed at home. I literally just had nowhere to go.
[–]susumaya 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Nothing to be depressed about dude. Life is just unfair, it actually takes the pressure off. If we never had the shot then we don’t need to blame ourselves for not achieving on the same level. Just remember to love yourself and be okay with yourself. The rest of the world can fuck off. In the end even Dan fucking bilzerian goes on a podcast and talks about how empty he feels and how he wants to turn over a new lead. Life is about more than getting laid. Find your purpose and your mission. Then you’ll find the person who’ll be your cheer leader through that mission and honestly you’ll be in heaven compared to any of these other guys.
I have heard Dan Bilzerian say this, but I believe this was recent as he's 40 now. In his 20s/ early 30s I bet he felt great. But people change and so do our interest.
I don't want to prematurely burn though a phase in life until I truly feel I get no joy out of it.
[–]darkved 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Life is about more then sex? Westworld would like to have a word with you:
Dr. Robert Ford : I read a theory once that the human intellect was like peacock feathers. Just an extravagant display intended to attract a mate. All or art, literature, a bit of Mozart, William Shakespeare, Michelangelo, and the Empire State Building - just an elaborate mating ritual.
[–]Additional_Effect840 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This make a lot of sense. I also read somewhere that everything a man does is subconsciously done for wanting sex as the end game. It’s our nature
[–]no_not_this 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Girls want to fuck the top 5 percent of guys it’s the fact of life. The other 95 percent generally speaking are fighting for it, or have given up. This is single people of course.
[–]st0nervirginsunit3 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Just apes fighting and clawing away... But we have words so we’re all “socialized” and shit ahaha
[–]no_not_this 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Pretty much. And by socialized you mean the whole $$$ aspect haha. If you have cash you can pretty much land 10’s
[–]Additional_Effect840 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is true I have to say, if we exclude all people in relationships.
[–]Additional_Effect840 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Not “super” but I would say good looking.
I do have a nice place and good paying job (but I didn’t in college and was still able to get laid)
Median girl is a 7
I’m Italian but have olive skin. Some people would say I’m white and others might not
How many 10s? I would say zero, I put girls like Margot Robbie in that caliber. But I have had some 9s (under 10)
How many 4s? Not many. A handful at most.
[–]fulgurdeus 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Question, what IS being bf material? What is that middle sweetspot? And can these turn into relationships, I am not interested in sleeping with lots of women, just one I date a lot of times.
[–]Additional_Effect840 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
BF material would be making a reservation at a nice restaurant, picking her up and dropping her off with maybe a make out before leaving.
The sweet spot is being able to hold your ground, stand by your opinions wether or not it might piss her off a bit, make her meet you for the date (don't pick her up) and also just be cool about it and give off a vibe that you're indifferent to wether or not you end up sleeping with her that day. But make it known you're sexually interested in her and make the first move.
[–]willgo-waggins 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Be cool and nice but add a little bad ass/no bullshit to it to slide it up. Gives you just enough bad boy to be desirable and just enough nice guy to make them feel safe.
[–]skyrunner22 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There used to be a saying i read back in day that I will butcher but something like "the guy that wants to be with one women, needs to date alot and the guy that wants to date alot needs to be with one women" Always stuck with me but when I see guys say one or the other it always kinda rang true, you need different skills and will learn and grow in different ways.. Good luck on your journey
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[–]Additional_Effect840 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
And as I’m sure you’re aware neediness is the number one way to ruin attraction. I don’t have girlfriends though, I just pump and dump if I’m being honest
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[–]Additional_Effect840 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
As do I, couldn't agree more on your last sentence. Which is why I've only had 2 serious girlfriends. Both of which were 9s in my eyes.
What are your thoughts on this lifestyle ruining any potential future LTR? I think my psyche is already messed up considering I lose interest in girls I sleep with. I'd have to seriously be in love to ever have another LTR.
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[–]Additional_Effect840 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I'd be willing to try and get an LTR if the right girl comes along but I fear I'll sabotage it by wanting to be with other girls. I'm just not ready for it right now.
You calling up a different chick after sleeping with your casual gf.. I've done something similar only I left the girls place and had a different girl come over to mine as I was heading back home.
I would say don't do much reflection, if you felt at heart it's just a casual relationship. In most casual relationships both parties are fucking other people. Only reflect when this type of behavior no longer interests you.
[–]willgo-waggins 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
If it’s right, you will do everything in your power to NOT sabotage and likely be overthinking and second and third guessing everything you do - especially in regards to her.
I know. I was both of you guys for a long long time.
I hadn’t had that “Zing” moment for a very ling time. I’m 51 and when I say that I mean a slight bit that fizzled in a few months about three years ago and before that a good decade or more and it still wasn’t “it”.
I thought that either I missed my chance and had become too jaded and I mean a count in the thousand plus range jaded.
But almost two months ago it happened. All I can say is too keep an open mind to whatever the universe smacks you upside the head with and you may be surprised one day.
Btw your initial post is pretty damn spot on if you are just enjoying variety but also has regular application because it’s good observation.
[–]Additional_Effect840 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Thanks for your insight.
Though I must say a count in the thousand range is beyond impressive, basically rock star or celebrity type count.
[–]willgo-waggins 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
No not really. I’ve been a swinger almost my entire adult life so a lot of that runs up fast at parties when there are big scenes and I’ve been a part of a lot of those over the years. I have also had times between steady relationships where I will literally sleep with a different woman every night for a couple of weeks and sometimes more than one in a given day.
It doesn’t actually take anything crazy. I am tall and good looking and fit but I also have a background if starting out and studying for most of the core as a psych major. I also was a retail manager before I got into the medical field and had an extensive background and training in marketing. And that makes it very easy because the first thing you learn is that you are really marketing and selling yourself.
[–]Canadian-Seductioner 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Damn bro, you truly are part of the 1% when it comes to the seduction community. Props to you.
[–]willgo-waggins3 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Thanks.
That’s why I try to share here in both helping out from experience and also tempering some of the guys that are way over the top and borderline misogynists/rapists.
I LOVE women. All kinds (not big or truly ugly - sorry I’m not quite that much of an altruist). I have my favorite type of course (got her now and working to keep this one 😉), but I have found that one of the secrets is when you are working game or okaying to be non specific and keep your mind open and tuned to which women are into YOU.
[–]antonthecad 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I'm around 140 women now and I pretty much agree with all of this.
I would especially agree with that game is overhyped. Game is missold as some weird routines and things you need to do to trick a woman into bed, when really you just need to be socially calibrated and know when and how to escalate. Game is just about being as socially calibrated and "cool" as possible.
The one thing I'd add to this is that you need some balls. I always found that the dates where I failed in the past was because I didn't make the move I knew I should be making. Women aren't going to hand you their pussy on a plate(usually) and you'll have to go throu
[–]earsurgery9 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
exactly. A number of successful people in this thread are basically confirming exactly what I learnt some time ago. That, despite all the PUA marketing and scammy coaches, all of this stuff is really just about being good at spotting who's into you, and being good at lleading that attraction to sex.
It's NOT about magically MAKING girls want to have sex with you and taking them from 'ewww go away' to 'please bang me!!'. Literally nobody can seduce a girl who doesn't want to be seduced by you. Even the people pretending they can do this come unstuck when you watch their infields lol
[–]antonthecad 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No one can every girl and no one can get any girl. There will be a subset of girls who are open to sleeping with you if you do certain things correctly.
[–]Additional_Effect840 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Good comment. Yes balls and initiative are key. If you don't make the first move the girl will assume you're not attracted to her or worse, think you're a pussy for not making the move.
Girls will make it easy for you though, they'll stand close, talk really close to you. Sometimes they even make the first move but I wouldn't depend on this. As a man you should be the one leading things on
[–]ThePherdBeve 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Okay how do I socially calibrate myself?
Also I've gotten rejected going for a kiss several times
[–]antonthecad 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well there's levels to this. Can you have a conversation with a girl for 10 mins and if someone asked her after how the conversation went, she'd say he was a normal guy? That should be a base level. If you can chat for 10 mins without a girl running away you're probably good on that.
But then there are levels, can you essentially escalate on her sexually whilst it being socially normal. I find a good way to do this is to talk about the things you would do if you weren't constrained by the situation. So "if we weren't in this bar, I'd be blah blah" or "I'm a good boy but you look like you're here to cause trouble in that dress."
[–]margoelle 27 points28 points29 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
100 ladies in the past weekend? Goodness me! I keep thinking of those STD’s just waiting
[–]Additional_Effect840 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
STDs are always on my mind, I get tested a lot and condoms help
[+]margoelle -9 points-8 points-7 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Do you slept with an average 33 women each day? I don’t understand how you can sleep with a 100 women in one weekend. Heck even Hercules will get tired LMAO.
[–]Additional_Effect840 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
No, I meant this past weekend I slept with my 100th different girl. As of recent, I've been able to sleep with 1 new girl a week.
[–]margoelle 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Oh I read it wrong then.
[–]dark_rabbit 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You read it right, it’s written wrong.
[–]Canadian-Seductioner -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nah, she was just being facetious in a thinly veiled attempt to throw shade at OP. Anyone with common sense will know OP was referring to getting his 100th lay over the weekend.
[–]KingPerezz 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
What type of job do you have? Are you financially stable? This is my biggest insecurity right now while in college and shit
[–]Additional_Effect840 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I am financially stable, yes. But in college I wasn't. In college we are all essentially on the same playing field, in a way.
The biggest difference between now and college is that I would be able to tell girls to come straight over to my dorm, student housing, etc. and that was normal. Now? Not so much. Most older girls (out of college age) expect a date first.
[–]no_not_this 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Dude just enjoy college it’s the best years of your life. Don’t stress about money. If I could go back I’d take on more debt and enjoy it. You can always make money you can’t go back to your youth
[–]KingPerezz 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Damn bro this speaks volumes to me right now… I’ve really have been stuck in a fear of the future and been an anxiety fuck in regards to that I will take your advice!
[–]willgo-waggins -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Don’t be. It’s self defeating in the worst way.
He’s right.
I’m 51 and I wish that I’d been even stupider in my college years than I was. And I had it fucking grand with a 10 GF - crazy but the sex life matched and from 19 - 21 I didn’t give a fuck because yes we generally think with our dicks.
I had a job and went to school but minty was tight and she was living with me in my dime despite money from mom and dad and grandma (yeah she was from money too and I mean GOOD generational LA money).
The only thing I’d go back and change? Ironically enough the fact that I was a big retail store manager and I literally had a couple dozen hot chicks my own age range with all the go signs at any given time and I was “in love” (with sweet pussy) and didn’t take advantage of any of that prime college tail.
You have the rest of your life as a wage slave and you can always find ways to make extra money if you have some debt.
Live it up and enjoy!
I'm 23 and on a college campus. How do I get laid?
Agreed. College was the best time of my life. You can always make more money/repay debt but you can never get back time.
[–]Pedadinga 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
This isn’t seduction
[–]Canadian-Seductioner 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link
It kind of literally is. Seduction is "the enticement of a person to sexual intercourse". This is exactly what OP is doing and the exact point of this subreddit.
[–]Pedadinga -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
None of this sounds enticing from a woman’s perspective. It’s all about how to run a numbers game.
[–]Canadian-Seductioner 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Well you're not the type of woman OP is trying to seduce, so...
[–]Pedadinga 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
And we’re all ok with that. And this day and age, we’re all accountable for our actions. Looking at you, ladies who have casual sex then complain he doesn’t want a relationship!
[–]Sultmaker_9000 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
That's the whole point as being seen as high value, a woman will offer it up early in the hope of securing you, but the value of pussy has been at rock bottom prices for at least the last 20 years lol.
[–]Pedadinga 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I call it the “Golden Pussy Principle.” When a girl thinks “I can lure him in by saying I don’t want a relationship, my pussy is so great, he’ll be begging to get with me!” Then 99.9% of the time they end up crying when that doesn’t happen. Or my personal favorite, “it’s so weird, I had a one night stand with that DB we all know, and it WASN’T good! He was so wham bam not even thank you ma’am! And now he acts like it never happened!” Uh… yeah. And don’t get me wrong, I’m not just blaming women. There are PLENTY of men who just say whatever to get what they want, or fall for the same crap women do. It’s one thing to change your mind, but dating for everyone would be a lot easier if people were just honest.
[–]Sultmaker_9000 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Yeah if that were true I could walk up to women in the store and as her straight up wanna fuck, not happening, even if I can get her into an ONS, it has to be finessed, so lets not be naïve, it is still seduction. Aside from which, women categorised men; they will happily look for 'mr right' whilst simultaneously taking 'mr right now' when he isn't available., with further variance on that likely outcome depending on where she is on her cycle.
[–]Pedadinga 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lol well that’s taking it to the nth degree! And it’s not unheard of. It won’t work most of the time, but a tiny bit of the time, it’ll work every time.
[–]margoelle 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Tell me about it 😂
As in the subreddit or actual seduction?
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[–]Pedadinga -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Both. Ugh. We’re gonna fight now aren’t we?
[–]Additional_Effect840 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
haha yea, seduction isn't a science. It's more of an art. It's hard to write it out or can take up a lot of time. Had a blueprint in mind as opposed to the seduction process for this post
[–]jbo99 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Did you find most women were down for the casual hookup or were a lot of them confused and thought you wanted more
Good point. If I'm being honest, in the beginning I would say that the girls expected the latter.
But shockingly enough, now that I give off casual sex vibes I've gotten more results. Women get hornier than men sometimes and want to have casual sex too, it's up to you to bring it out in her.
[–]oscarony 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
this is basically the best tips and i’ve been employing a lot of them this year.
every man that’s looking to level up should read this (even if you want a committed relationship)
Thanks for the feedback. My goal was to share some insight on what’s worked for me and if someone learns a thing or two it’s a bonus
[–]Teamtoast 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Very good post thank you! Agree or disagree on his choice of lifestyle, but there’s some solid advice here for dating in general.
Thanks man
[–]JacobMoogberg69 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The black pill and incels are out in full force today.
[–]Canadian-Seductioner 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Love how this is exactly the type of content that this sub is designed for and yet all the incels and feminists can't help but come out to attack it lmao.
You've reached the 100 tier, well done my man! I also hit 100 when I was 25 (I'm 28 now) so you remind me of me haha (although I lost my virginity at 18, not 15).
Great advice, the only things I'd say is, as someone else mentioned earlier, "game" is not overhyped, almost everything you described is game. What's overhyped is PUA tactics and one-liners, which I think is what you were trying to say.
Also, your 95% first date lay rate is kind of a crazy stat. Lots of girls just won't do it on the first date out of principle, even if they really want to (not talking nightgame, talking actual first dates). As long as you're understanding of this, getting the 2nd date lay really isn't an issue.
I used to have the same mindset as you, if a girl doesn't sleep with me on a first date, then she's disposable, but you're actually limiting yourself with this because most girls who give you LMR on the 1st date will be very open to having sex on the 2nd date.
My recommendation to you is that if a girl doesn't fuck you on the first date, don't toss her away. Think about it this way: your chances of getting laid on a 2nd date with that girl are much higher than getting laid on a 1st date with another random girl. Therefore, you should actually be prioritizing those 2nd dates. This has worked really well for me and I suggest you consider it.
Anyway, I'm happy for you bro! Shoot me a chat message if you want to connect and share ideas/discuss strategies. Always good to connect with like-minded people.
[–]Additional_Effect840 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Hey man, glad there's another like minded person out there and can relate!
Yeah, I mainly just wrote this as I was thinking it without proofreading anything. I'd say you're right. What I meant by "game" is really PUA tactics/one liners.
If you lost your virginity at 18 and hit 100 at 25 that means you've been more efficient, so good stuff.
95% is more accurate than not accurate in my case. Some were one night stands in bars (which mainly, I go for the girls that look slutty tbh. They know why they're there and most make it seem known). Online - my first date lay is extremely high because I filter out girls, I make it known I'm clearly looking for a hook up to put it in proper terms.
I'll consider the 2nd date thing, I just know I can easily have sex with a girl the first time I meet her so the fact that a particular girl makes me wait.. I just loose interest, knowing other girls out there don't do this to me. But with this mindset I have given up on lots of girls and have lost potential sex simply because I couldn't wait a bit longer.
Happy to chat with you to discuss strategies/ideas.
[–]Canadian-Seductioner 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ohhh okay yeah if you make it very clear you're only looking for a hookup, then yeah I can see why your first date lay % is so high. Good on you man. I'll shoot you a chat message.
[–]throwaway_womenstuff 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Did you do mostly day/social circle in college? Or did you stick to online and bars then too?
[–]Additional_Effect840 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Got a few lays off social circle in college but the bulk of it came from online and bars
[–]throwaway_womenstuff 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Would you say most of those girls were ones who didn’t go to the same school as you? Or was it the same circles, just different environment
[–]MrColfax 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Make it about her or talk about things as opposed to interview style questions
Any tips re this?
How to make it less like an interview?
[–]Additional_Effect840 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As the person who responded to this earlier said, ask open ended questions. Comment on things that would make her give a response.
[–]Dyvanna 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Ask open questions rather than closed questions.
Example: asking where did you go on holiday, answer Spain, conversation stutters to a stop. Instead what do you think is the best holiday destination.
[–]MrColfax 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks
Also, any tips to escalate the conversation sexually?
[–]1990MeWuzBorn 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I agree overall. But I’ve slept with girls the first time meeting them meeting up in the middle of the day for burgers, walking in the park, coffee, etc. Definitely drinks are my favorite though.
[–]Additional_Effect840 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Nice. Can definitely happen but personally those environments are not my strong suit
[–]1990MeWuzBorn 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
So do you always try to bring the girl back to your place or do you sometimes get them to bring you to their place? I’ve always just gone to my place since I’m more comfortable/it’s in my comfort zone, but that’s me.
Always my place first but if she offers hers then that’s fine with me
[–]1990MeWuzBorn 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Do you use the “hey, wanna come back and watch a movie?” or “hey, wanna come back and have some wine?” style lines? I almost always use a combo of the two and I’ve never had a girl refuse. Plausible deniability is the way.
[–]TrueAna-rchistdotcom 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
How tall are you? I'm 5'7 and dead insecure about my height. I feel I'll just get insulted on my face and have a hard time recovering from it. The only girlfriends I've had were 5/6 outta 10. I'm 21, about average looking and not in the mood for relationships. I want to delve into the casual sex world. I don't live in the US but live in a place where people are open about sex, so it's comparable. So, is any of your advice even relevant to my case? Or is it not cus I easily fall out of the top 5-10% of guys?
6'0 per my physical but I had shoes on. Realistically I'm in the 5'11 range.
You're most likely insecure due to what you've read online, is what i'm willing to bet on. Have other girls ever told you "sorry you're too short for me" in person? I doubt it and if so then that girl isn't for you.
If only tall guys were getting laid then the population average in the US would be higher. Average male is 5'9 I think.
I like girl with big tits/ass. Does that mean every girl I've slept with has had big tits/ass? Definitely not. It's the same with girls, they prefer taller guys but don't always end up with one.
Some advice: mainly go for girls in the 5'0 to 5'5 range but don't count out taller girls just because you're shorter. You'd be surprised
[–]TrueAna-rchistdotcom 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The fucking bracket is much narrower with the girls. If you read any article on studies about this subject, you'll see that girls are open to have sex, but mostly with the top 10-20% of guys. Guys are less choosy on whom to have sex with. This is why the amount of pussy you get exponentially depends on how handsome you are.
Whenever I've been in groups with both girls and guys, I've had less clout than the taller boys. I mostly approach only when I've hints.
In your case, you outright approach girls and are able to straight up land a convo. I've tried this twice or thrice and have failed miserably (probably came off as desperate to talk with women). Idk how I can muster up enough courage to be on the move again. Any advice will help.
[–]KSLProds 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
100 lays? My mane loves his chips!
[–]GroundbreakingBus138 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Ok you either have lots of hot girls in your area or you are one disgusting porn perv
[–]Additional_Effect840 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Population in my city is over 8 million
[–]stuiterei -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Wich city are you in if you don't mind sharing?
NYC
[–]Prixster 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
this post can only impress a person who is below 21 year old
[–]dobbs1997 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
maybe it’s not about impressing, he’s just giving out pointers and going through the things he’s learned.
Exactly
[–]_dusTy96 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
jesus
[–]vLeskur 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You a hoe
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[–]dobbs1997 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
he’s not bragging about it though, he’s explaining what he’s learned by having those experiences with women…also to each their own, not everyone is gonna wanna sleep with a small amount of women, some men wanna experience many women and that’s fine, who are you to say that if a guy is like that then he has some problem? relationship with your mother ? what does that even have to do with anything ?
[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
He’s making it all up and as someone else on this thread so aptly put it here,”trying to make a science out of an art”.
[–]dobbs1997 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
how do you know he’s making it up?
People love to try to invalidate others by claiming they're "making up" their success and that they have mental issues when this is exactly the type of content that belongs in this subreddit and that upsets her.
This woman is engaged. What is she even doing in this subreddit? Who is she looking to seduce? She's just coming here to be a troll.
[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Bc it’s just not written very believably lol
[–]dobbs1997 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link
lol good logic, not everyone’s gonna be able to relate to this post, maybe cause they just never lived that kind of dating life, & that’s cool, but it doesn’t mean that OP’s making it up..it’s easy to be skeptic about something you’ve never experienced
[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I’m actually uniquely qualified in this particular area but I don’t give a shit if Reddit people don’t believe that or not lol
[–]dobbs1997 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
ok
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
The fact that he deleted the post tells you everything you need to know. Called it lol
[–]dobbs1997 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
the fact that you’re still commenting on this post tells me everything i need to know lol
[–][deleted]1 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Right bro. Good luck getting laid lol
[–]dobbs19970 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
thanks bro i’m gonna need it lmaoo i have 0 bitches :(
[–]Additional_Effect840 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I have a high libido too and I call BS in this entire story lol
[–]Additional_Effect840 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
To each their own then
[–]dobbs1997 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
not everyone’s gotta be the same as you
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
He deleted the post bc he was full of shit and he KNEW it. Called it lol
[–][deleted] 4 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link
[–]Additional_Effect840 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This isn't a way to solve problems. It's just something I enjoy but can seem taboo or "douchey" simply because sex is involved.
I have other hobbies and a good amount of friends, I travel, exercise, you name it. But nothing makes me feel as good as spending time with a woman I find attractive, pursuing her, going on the date and ultimately sleeping with her.
[–]Canadian-Seductioner 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Disagree. I love seeing when other guys are able to have success with game. It shows me it's possible.
Having tons of sex isn't meant to solve anybody's problems. It's just a fun thing to do and the point of this subreddit. There's a reason it's called seduction and not relationships.
[–][deleted] 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Yeah for sure, it's just a difference in preferences. Using your analogy, it's like guys who love to party and take shots vs guys who prefer a chill night with a bottle of wine. Neither is wrong and both guys can be extremely happy with what they're doing.
I don't think comparing him to an alcoholic or claiming it's unhealthy is fair. It's merely a fun hobby of his. The fact that he's able to seduce so many women shows that he's got his life together otherwise these women wouldn't be interested in sleeping with him.
I've learned that only guys that are successful with women while at the same time being successful in other areas of life can understand our mind set and lifestyle.
We're birds of a feather from what I can see
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[–]Canadian-Seductioner 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It's very admirable to expect that every person on this planet should work on building something and making a tangible impact, but at the end of the day, we're all just trying to get by and live the best lives we can for ourselves. For some, that includes seducing women, and there's nothing wrong with that. I think the base expectation for people should be to live a happy and fulfilling life. Expecting everyone to change the world in some way is a bit extreme when the vast majority of the people on this planet will never reach that expectation.
Of course, if your whole life is only based around PUA (or literally anything else), then yes, it is an unhealthy obsession and worthy of ridicule because it's important to strike a balance no matter what you do, but the body count of a person is not a good measurement for that sort of thing. There are successful people out there who are building something and making a tangible impact, as you put it, who also have body counts in the hundreds as a result of their success so these things are not mutually exclusive. OP literally stated how he doesn't believe in PUA tactics and instead stresses the importance of natural game.
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[–]Canadian-Seductioner 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh okay, it just seemed like you were based on your original comment:
Yeah agreed. I think these posts appeal to guys that don’t get laid and think having tons of sex would solve their problems. I know this isn’t the sub for hot takes like this but these posts kind of seem like if someone bragged about how shitface drunk they got every night. Yeah, if I was seventeen maybe I’d think it was cool but right now if I was a guy who does this I’d look in the mirror and vomit.
Anyway, peace and love your way + much luck on your seduction journey! ✌️
I get what you mean, good comparisons. It's all about finding the perfect healthy balance.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
It reeks of guys who aren’t getting laid taking advice from guys who are either exaggerating or outright lying about their body count.
[–]yennybear888 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I don’t know why you think he’s exaggerating…10 girls a year is very reasonable
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I can’t believe any adults read this and take it at face value lol
If you meet one new girl a month, that's more than 10 girls a year. How is that unreasonable? You're being extremely obtuse in an attempt to invalidate OP.
[–]yennybear888 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I personally went up to 65 girls in 4 years living in NYC…that included a few longer term flings (not exclusive relationships but girls I would date for 3-4 months). 100 girls is very very reasonable.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Case and point: he deleted the post, it bc it was false and he knew it. Told ya so
[–]435ergdgerytd 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Such a pretty fucking bitch to comment not ONCE not TWICE but THREE fucking times. Seriously I wish I could get a metal baseball and bash your fucking skull in to see that goes through your brain (I HIGHLY doubt will find anything)
Incel vibezzz
I agree it's an art. Look at one of the first comments I responded to.
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That’s a great way of putting it!
[–]abundance-lover -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thank you for your post.
Now I can spot pick-up artists more easily :)
[–]JohnZoffman 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Can you give good examples of proper teasing and escalation that you have used ?
What do you talk about, on approach, dates and at the house before sleeping together
I let it known that I’m talking to her because I’m attracted. Avoid asking for directions and then saying “didn’t really need directions just thought you were cute”
Just start with saying I think you’re cute. Comes off as more masculine.
Hours before sleeping with the girl I break the touch barrier, make out before hand at the venue and just lead the way back to my house and make the move
[–]JohnZoffman 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So is teasing kind of "overrated" ?
Is it really about just showing interest and leading back to bed ?
[–]canuckle1211 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
My twenties was my boom years for sure. Had 3 girls in a 24 hour span. All spontaneous texting and meet up with some girls I’ve been dating.
A feat I have yet to accomplish. Mine is 2 girls in the same night. (Separate - not a threesome)
Never been in this type of situation. Was this a girl you met online? She might have envisioned you in a particular way before meeting you and the way you acted was different then her expectations which is why you guys didn't hook up the first time.
I'd tell her dinner at my place and then escalate from there.
You can learn some tactics online but I learned via trial and error in real time. So practice with girls you meet/ go on dates with
[–]TheCaribbeanRedditor 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Useful post
Plenty of women have rules about no ONS, or have a set number of dates in their head, so I'm calling BS on that claim, as well as other logistical problems for it not to happen same night.
I'm always suspicious of guys who want to make a deal out of their numbers, its like a rich guy , who needs to go around claiming he's rich.
I’m not saying I sleep with 95% of the girls I go on dates with. I’m saying that 95% of the girls I’ve slept I’ve met on the same day.
Two different things
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