What Every Pretty Girl and Champ Guy Knows, But Can Never Tell You

blessedwiththecurse · 2019-12-31T21:08:42+00:00

“Spread her ass cheeks and sniff it. Is this what you’ve been chasing” - quote of the decade right there! This the energy I’m having for 2020 let’s goooooooo!!!

snaug · 2019-12-31T21:02:15+00:00

In your narrative, there seems to be no point at which you can finally relax and just enjoy a relationship with the hypothetical girl. You always have to be "on your game", so to speak. To the end of time, it seems.

So, do you think this is the case or is there some point when you can finally let your guard down? If so, what/when is this point?

tarzak · 2019-12-31T23:42:59+00:00

I agree wholeheartedly with your post. The tactic of displaying hints of humor, charisma, and charm while practicing restraint and never truly revealing all your benefits until her benefits are first revealed to you is one that is sure to reap results.

I’ll be the first to admit that i’ve fallen of that horse. I used to “get it”. It wasn’t easy, it demanded discipline and fortitude, but it was extremely gratifying. However, beneath all that mojo, I was always extremely vulnerable, but I kept it hidden. Beneath all the bravado, I was a dude who just wanted to cuddle and love a girl in ways she’s never felt before. But I understood that that wasn’t possible if I didn’t play the game right. Things happen though, I fell depressed, had a couple of devastating long-term relationships, developed some unhealthy addictions, and my mental state kept spiraling downwards until I absolutely hated myself. Why do I say this? Because even though I was in such a horrible state, I still got a girlfriend who loved me. My point is, you can’t always be rock solid, sometimes you will fall, and it’s so superficial and shitty to think that you have to be that way at all times to get laid, get a relationship, be cared for, loved for, build a career, healthy lifestyle, and so on. We’re human man. Shit happens. That doesn’t make us any less worthy. To some extent, I understand that the game has to be played, but if I find that I have to maintain that just for image’s sake, honey, you’re not that worth it.

anthonytoronto92 · 2019-12-31T16:51:51+00:00

Wow. I read the whole thing. This is a work of art! Everything is true. It all makes sense. This is what I try to teach my peers but can never find the exact words. You put a ton of effort into it. A+++

Kyotobasedgod · 2019-12-31T19:28:02+00:00

FACTS! Thanks big dawg. I’m 24 and I’ve been recently begun breaking out of my shell and I’ve started going after 9s and dimes lol. This just added fuel to the fire 🐐

justaweeb1 · 2019-12-31T20:34:03+00:00

I love you for this.

There u go, feed on my investment and ghost me

thebochman · 2019-12-31T23:54:49+00:00

This might be the best thing I've ever read on this sub. As the year and decade come to a close, this is the inspiration I needed.

My one question though, as someone who has been reading a ton of self improvement books, been in game telegram groups, read tons of articles online, I feel like there is just so much conflicting advice and it's hard to sift through what's useful and what's useless.

What are your top books and what advice do you have on this? I'm at the point now where I feel like it doesn't matter how many self improvement books because I'm never gonna be able to discern what will actually make me better.

For example, just the topic alone of "No contact" with a girl you like, some advocate for it, some advocate against it, both with convincing arguments. Same thing for fitness, for cutting weight some advocate for heavier weight, lower volume, while others for lower weight, higher volume, both with sources to back them up. I feel myself becoming so jaded with all of it like no matter what I do is a misstep.

SinoInsano · 2019-12-31T19:27:23+00:00

Absolutely incredible dude! I'm 19 myself and see the world very similarly to yourself. I see your influence, and I got to say that it's pretty crazy how that certain subreddit was able to totally change our lives for the better, and it makes me very sad to see the depressive cesspool of bitter, confused men that it has turned into. I've written posts similar to yours on old accounts, essentially summarizing certain theories without the obnoxious buzzwords and misogyny, and the reception has been universally great.

Maybe we're lucky, or maybe we're just strong, but either way we are rare. I cherish knowledge more than anything else in this world and of all the things I've worked to comprehend, why TF girls didn't like me was the most perplexing. Most men spend their entire lives baffled by gender-dynamics and envious of the men who seem to "get it." They're endlessly frustrated by the inability of their acquaintances that "get it" to provide any useful advise on what they need to start "getting."

Best of luck my friend!

NoAimMassacre · 2019-12-31T20:52:44+00:00

Didn't understand your point. Most posts here are so long, I just lose track. Whats your point?

hitthewallrunning · 2020-01-01T03:34:02+00:00

Maybe be real and have a real conversation with a girl? Maybe have your own interests so you won't have to play games so you don't look like a puppy dog. Maybe take your time? Too much too soon freaks people out. Women aren't the enemy, They're human beings with the same feelings as you. Self-improvement is great. But do it for yourself. Not to play a game.

anas_el · 2019-12-31T20:24:19+00:00

I have a question, while reading this "essay" i couldn't help but notice how well thought are your arguments and put together through well organised sentences. As for my question, is English your mother tongue? If not, would you say that reading the numerous books that you mentioned helped you to improve your writing skills. And if you could give some advice bearing in mind that English is my third language. Ty.

CollapseSoMainstream · 2020-01-01T21:54:11+00:00

Dunno why you deleted it, it's worth reading.

Men and women are good at different things, and have survived largely by exchanging their services.

Tiny, initial margins turn into big, long-term advantages. Men are usually not as attuned to these tiny, initial differences in investment as women are. And that, in effect, becomes their advantage.

By getting men to make that tiny, initial, emotional, social and energetic investment on the front-end, a cascading effect ensues, and results in a situation where the women get to pick and choose with minimal downside. All the while receiving protection, support and provision from every angle.

They hedge their bets and focus on growing their options before committing. Growing the pie before eating it. It's smart, and we men should learn from them.

The solution for you and me is; don't get fooled. Learn to abstain from making the initial investment based on her physical attraction and lure. See through it. See through the lies, the fakery and the image (mirage). Without getting bitter.

It's not that women are evil for doing this. They're smart. And almost every chump falls for it and gets a sour deal. But you don't have to be one of them. This is good news for you, because you'll have little competition by being one of the few guys who 'get it'.

Every guy who 'gets it' knows this subconsciously. But most of them can't explain it because they've had it from an early age and don't know what it's like to be a chump.

Perhaps they were handsome and chased by all the girls from an early age. Or their dad was a gangster and taught them a better way. Or they were just naturally confident or charismatic. Or even sort of a sociopath, allowing them to disconnect from the standard narrative.

Most girls also don't think this stuff consciously. It's in their genes and in their culture.

At bottom, it's a societal narrative, naturally evolved to keep all the chump, discontented men who are not gonna be participating in the gene-pool in any meaningful way, still contributing to the society and the economy, still behaving well and not causing too much trouble or outrage.

Again. Abstain from making the initial investment. The pretty girls are so used to and addicted to getting this, because of all the benefits it brings, that they will start chasing.

"What do I have to do to get it? A smile, maybe? Moving a little closer? Shake my ass and expose the 'goodies'? Dress up and put make-up on? Post sexy instagram photos?"

"Oh! There it is. Invested like all the other guys. Thousands of likes. Every guy I meet salivating. The approval of society. Now I can enjoy the rewards, with no need to give up my sexual favors to any of them. Or just to the party boys I choose, or one champ if I can find/attract one. Pretty good deal, right?"

You must learn to resist the lure. Usually by going out and getting fooled a bunch of times. Again and again and again. Thousands of times in my case, and in the case of everyone I've seen going from true shit to awesome at this.

Slowly but surely, you must learn to see through the marketing. And instead of putting your precious time, effort, emotional investment and problem-solving capabilities into a pretty girl who just runs away with them, you must put them into yourself.

You must put them into your own systems. Building a business/career. Reading A TON of books and educating yourself. Becoming financially independent and well-off.

But instead of being bitter towards women and just crying and masturbating for all those years, you choose another path. You still go out and meet women.

But instead of giving up your investment for an empty promise of sex—a smile, a nice face, a fat ass etc—you develop your own individual criteria and your own standards. Away from and stronger than the ones society feeds you.

You discover that a girl who is a 9 in looks can be a 1 as a human being. You experience the horrifying results that can come from investing in her. And you learn not to be fooled. You discover how rare quality people and quality girls are. You begin to question if they even exist.

You actually get laid enough times to see that sex doesn't really deliver on its promise. It's just a human with a hairy, stinky asshole just like you, whom you put your penis in and out of until you cum, and then it's over and back to just like before.

spartan1337 · 2019-12-31T22:22:55+00:00

tl;dr mothafucka

Theelementofsurprise · 2020-01-01T01:59:43+00:00

I know you're trying to help, but I'm not sure I've ever seen so little explained by so many words

no1suck · 2020-01-01T08:23:19+00:00

You people are fucking insane

_Zaacki_ · 2019-12-31T22:55:39+00:00

Truly inspirational

Brohammer53 · 2019-12-31T23:22:19+00:00

goddamn this hits

xxxmuffin22 · 2020-01-01T02:20:26+00:00

I’m just a year older than you and I gotta say I’m ashamed at how I’ve been living my life thus far thx for making this post definitely something I needed to hear. I know I gotta be the one in my life to take charge and make these changes or else I’m a keep getting the same results have a good New Years cheers

imnotdonking · 2020-01-01T06:03:24+00:00

Sounds great. What’s your goal? Is it just to tie down a 10/10? Other 23 year olds have achieved this without lifting a finger. Why are u so happy?

2020-01-01T06:20:34+00:00

Man thank you for taking the time to share your precious experience and learnings

marcomhx · 2020-01-01T07:03:02+00:00

Dude, what you just wrote is a gem. I can totally relate to you. Hope we can connect to each other and maybe do some business and make money. Male, 22

p3nguinboy · 2020-01-01T11:22:37+00:00

u/asknorway I have a question: did you take economics in university?

Btw this is suuuuuuper useful, saved this post for sure.

FelineOutline · 2020-01-01T13:49:36+00:00

Write a book! clapping

2020-01-01T16:14:45+00:00

This is some type of a road to self-actualization if I understood right. Great valuable post.

Dapodeen · 2020-01-01T22:42:24+00:00

BROO I saved this post to finish reading later and now it’s gone. Is there any way I could read the rest or am I fucked lol

the_a-train17 · 2019-12-31T17:56:13+00:00

This makes so much sense. Well written.

The_Temperance · 2019-12-31T19:26:05+00:00

You should write a self-help book! Great read!

Cynical_Doggie · 2019-12-31T18:48:52+00:00

How do I keep myself going?

I have an internal drum pounding every time I am grinding at a task.

I tell myself "Again... Again... Again... Again.." Keep pounding that drum.

It's almost impossible to be too tired to do something. It's a matter of pounding that drum and proceeding regardless.

Sameerkat987 · 2019-12-31T20:59:09+00:00

I understand the adivce but like how do you put it into a real life scenario i.e Can someone give me an example, like maybe at a bar

watwasmyusername · 2020-01-01T01:09:17+00:00

You actually get laid enough times to see that sex doesn't really deliver on its promise. It's just a human with a hairy, stinky asshole just like you, whom you put your penis in and out of until you cum, and then it's over and back to just like before.

Uhh yeah that's boring sex. Good sex is harder to come by and is the exact thing I personally chase.

omega_constant · 2020-01-01T05:44:11+00:00

Seriously. Next time you fu*k a pretty girl—have her lay on her stomach, then spread her asscheeks apart and look at it. Sniff it. Is this what you've been chasing?

Yeah, I stopped reading here. OP creates an air of knowing what he's talking about but these are the ramblings of a pretentious virgin. Any woman that showers regularly and cleans herself properly will smell great down below, as anywhere else on her body. Is there something objectionable in the view of a hot girl's spread ass cheeks?? If so, I've missed it. Not everyone has the same chemistry but the single best fragrance I have ever smelled (a thousand times better than the best perfume or cologne you will ever find) is the vagina of a beautiful woman, dripping wet and eager for sex. It is the cleanest, purest, most refreshing thing imaginable, there is nothing else like it in the world, not even close.

You actually get laid enough times to see that sex doesn't really deliver on its promise. It's just a human with a hairy, stinky asshole just like you, whom you put your penis in and out of until you cum, and then it's over and back to just like before.

I'm glad that you've mastered the mechanics of intercourse but if that's all you think there is to sex, you're missing about 90% of the experience. Sex is just 10% physical, 90% mental/emotional. I'm not going to read the rest of a lukewarm post that paints this kind of apathetic picture of the sexual experience. There's a reason that sex is called "making love". It is a physical mirror of the spiritual connection between two people who are in love. Not everybody shares your apathy.

takingitsrs · 2019-12-31T20:49:44+00:00

Take my fking upvote

browithme21 · 2019-12-31T21:08:55+00:00

You're an excellent writer

jlwip · 2019-12-31T20:21:00+00:00

I skimmed this now and I saved it I'm gonna read it and take notes when I get home. Amazing bro I am 20 and already changed completely since I was 18 and I gotta keep grinding. Keep building your empire brother.

Maxferny · 2020-01-01T06:57:46+00:00

Good read, happy new years and best of luck to you and all of us.

<3

Swert_Nipples · 2020-01-01T00:14:46+00:00

I dont understand how one can read, workout, develop a career, maintain platonic relationships, and work on talents and hobbies all while devoting time and money to going out and meeting women. That last part is absolutely exhausting. I'd love to find a way to meet people while enjoying my hobbies but the only social settings that accessible to me in upstate new york are bars and clubs. I know I'm missing out on positive experiences by rejecting the bar/club scene but I still have much to gain by being prudent in how I manage my time.

Vinceeyyyy · 2020-01-01T01:44:51+00:00

Great perspective! Even though its stuff we hear all the time 'work on yourself, work on yourself, work on yourself' this really makes you think about it! Thanks for this bro!![🙏](https://emojipedia.org/person-with-folded-hands/)

magicmonkeyjunk · 2020-01-01T02:41:57+00:00

Read the book SHANTARAM. Cheers mate, good shit!

hcarguy · 2020-01-01T02:54:41+00:00

How do we get them to chase if we're the one approaching though?

njptoo86 · 2020-01-01T03:41:00+00:00

This is really good

The_Frag_Man · 2020-01-01T04:00:58+00:00

Seems like a lot of work

No-MEME · 2020-01-01T04:06:03+00:00

I am learning how to get more girls step by step by watching every movies,reading funny stories.try talking to girls but failed of coz,my texting skill is also terrible,i always end up interview them when texting to them.i am an introvert for years so this may take time but i wont give up,thank you for your post i ‘ve learned something new today

Drewskie888 · 2020-01-01T04:37:18+00:00

Comment for read later

anonymousmousemous · 2020-01-01T08:13:31+00:00

What are ways I can self-improve and put more energy towards myself. I feel like I already put a lot of energy towards myself and there’s still a lot left over to give out to girls and be the nice guy. I’ve been working out, got a job, am getting good grades, have been learning to draw. Yet, with all this, I still find that I spend a lot of time thinking about (and worshipping) chicks who I deem attractive. How can I stop this?

BallinPoint · 2020-01-01T10:01:10+00:00

Oh how do I like these pseudo-scientific, genetically expressed, by upbringing explained, I-pretend-like-I-understand-evolution darwinian type of bullshit that some guy just concocts up in his mind while sitting in front of a computer screen getting off on his own pseudo-science. Ain't nuttin better than dis.

lilyros2 · 2020-01-01T12:13:03+00:00

I know you don't want to hear "get a better computer" but that might be the likely solution. I utilise Google Drive (and the suite) heavily with lots of files, plenty of Google Docs with 100+ pages (pictures throughout) and on my fast computer, it's pretty fast and slow and terrible on my spare laptop. I can't imagine that switching to an alternative on the same computer will yield better results. You can try Evernote (free) though.

MatCreatesStuff · 2020-01-01T19:22:31+00:00

So, why was the post removed?

Undiscriminatingness · 2020-01-01T20:01:47+00:00

Poppycock. Horsefeathers!

asknorway · 2020-01-01T22:34:02+00:00

Okay, so mods deleted this, and I've asked for an explanation. My understanding was that a moderator's job is to filter out bullshit to make the forum valuable. Not to delete posts that follow the rules and give the most value to its community according to the community itself. But let's hear what they have to say..

QuantumShit00 · 2020-01-04T18:51:15+00:00

Damn brother why did you delete it? I saved it so i can read it later and now i open its deleted :(

Can anyone give me a summary? Seemed like a good post when i skimmed through it, but havent read it.

Chimera_Tail_Fox · 2019-12-31T21:27:02+00:00

I was frankly shocked when I read that youre 23. You have wisdom beyond your years as this is spot on.

bcool87 · 2019-12-31T21:17:44+00:00

A+. Now in my early 30s, I've come to similar realizations. Good food for thought in 2020.

zomboy1111 · 2019-12-31T22:38:12+00:00

You ever try LSD?

arjungmenon · 2020-01-01T00:01:57+00:00

I just started reading, but could someone tell me what the “tiny investment” being referenced here is? I’m a tiny bit lost.

Nighthaven- · 2020-01-01T00:43:11+00:00

Have you been with women who are not primal though? (true defined wants in needs)

When I didn't have status, wealth or extremely handsome looks, but slightly above average looks and I suppose 'potential' (through how I acted and what I said) - I had better candidates for potential partners on average (for long relationships), yet far less matches.

Those who go straight for wealth are disgustingly obvious (and shallow), but some men still want to attract them (to fuck and ditch I guess).

Your post also described why society does not encourage suicide. At the end of the day, someone has to 'scrub the toilets', but also and contribute to society economically.

If you have fallen far behind the curve as a man, and have ABSOLUTELY no way of improving your life (and you supposedly don't enjoy any part of it) - ie. all super drastic measures taken, just end your life and be done with it.
- Which is the reason why suicide rate is thrice as high for men age 20-30 (pressure to perform well).
- most homeless are men (as you can't just offer pussy and be housed).

Today we are seeing some big changes in society for the better (Women's rights), but the advantages of being a man diminishes, yet most women (and men) still have primal tendencies as in looking for wealth, status or handsome looks.
(primal traits of primal men does not affect them negatively, as they'll most likely simply be looking for youth (and men age slower and looks of girls fade/ expire much faster)) - the reason for age difference in relationships.

Dick_C_Normus7 · 2020-01-01T02:03:53+00:00

Something I don't understand here. This talks about not giving a shit. Not being phased by anything, not letting her words and actions noticeably affect you, which is what every single dating book and coach has said. However, us men are also supppsed to make a move and hit on a woman but if we're not supposed to be affected by her, wouldn't asking her out show the opposite?

Classic_Touch · 2020-01-01T13:38:13+00:00

We have ourselves a badass over here (stated in a very sarcastic voice).

Title	What Every Pretty Girl and Champ Guy Knows, But Can Never Tell You
Author	asknorway
Upvotes	690
Comments	139
Date	December 31, 2019 3:50 PM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/seduction
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