The future of LWMA (with poll)

a-man-from-earth · 2023-06-18T02:27:36+00:00

So, the community has spoken. The majority of voters want to keep the sub open (for now), tho there is a sizeable minority for rejoining the blackout, which I must say pleases me. But a blackout is rapidly becoming a non-option, with Reddit admins strong-arming mods to reopen or be demoted [1] [2] [3] [4]. This is very scummy behavior, but by now totally expected. It only strengthens my resolve to try to move our community elsewhere.

So, we are staying open for now, and are reconsidering our options come July 1.

For the time being we only accept link posts to https://kbin.social/m/men, to facilitate the move there, and text posts about the future of the sub.

We are still in dialogue with the mod who suddenly reappeared and wants to assemble a new mod team. As much as I want to burn Reddit to the ground, I will work with them, in order to keep existing content accessible. We have four years worth of content, a lot of which is worth preserving (and a lot that isn't, to be fair).

As I have said before, I will stay on until July 1, just in case Reddit makes an about-turn (as if...). I hope to see all community members over in our new home on https://kbin.social/m/men.

TheLWMA · 2023-06-14T18:21:50+00:00

I don’t think this sub should be restricted. It’s one of the few positive male spaces that reject both Feminist ideology and RedPill ideology.

galacticdude7 · 2023-06-14T12:59:53+00:00

I don't think it benefits male advocacy to intentionally remove ourselves from this site, there are very few places online to talk about male issues that don't derail into the various pill ideologies or become toothless as they try in vain to reconcile male advocacy and feminism, and to remove this space here and move it elsewhere is I think a short-sighted move. I'm still not convinced that kbin.social and the other alternatives presented are anything more than the 2023 edition of Voat, and I'd hate to see male advocacy discussions shunted to some small corner of the internet that withers on the vine. Maybe I'll be wrong and kbin.social becomes the reddit killer its being hyped up to be, but I still have my doubts.

Interesting_Doubt_17 · 2023-06-14T17:21:24+00:00

I think it's very sad that this is happening. It was one of the only groups/subreddits where men's issues are discussed from a "balanced" viewpoint (without the influence of the tradcon RedPillers and the influence of wokescold-ish feminists).

Altho, I understand the decision. I can imagine how stressful it can be for someone moderating a subreddit. And the fact that someone can come up with this BS (referring to the CEO of Reddit or whatever they are called), says a lot about their intentions.

wish2boneu2 · 2023-06-14T15:46:59+00:00

Don't think anyone would care if we rejoin the blackout. All it does is remove all the content already posted here, if you do that the sub would basically be in the same state it would be if it was banned.

LoomisKnows · 2023-06-14T16:46:06+00:00

I feel like this sub is too important to participate

Potential-Salad3910 · 2023-06-14T13:15:32+00:00

There is a proposal to do blackouts every tuesday, I think that's a good balance between supporting the protest (much more effective than a single two-day event) and continuing to advocate for this cause in a space as notorious as reddit.

Also, keeping this sub alive is convenient for redirecting current and future members to communities into the fediverse, or wherever outside of reddit. Let's remember that reddit is hostile to men's rights, so just keeping it here is very dangerous.

RockmanXX · 2023-06-15T00:27:49+00:00

Only the biggest subreddit need to continue the blackout because they bring in most of the ad revenue to reddit.

bxzidff · 2023-06-15T12:37:09+00:00

Let the big meaningless subs lead the charge, like r/videos. Sure, it's a worthwhile cause, but so is gender equality that actually cares about men without being right-wing grifting or only claim to care while villainizing in practise

big_meats93 · 2023-06-15T07:50:58+00:00

this place is barely getting off the ground. you're going to neuter it before it can even blossom. if you move it somewhere else, that's the death knell for this space. I'm calling it. it only exists as-is because of being part of the larger ecosystem of reddit.

we all come here and see posts in our home feeds because we also do a lot of other things and are subscribed to other topics and subs on reddit. we are literally addicted by all the variety of things we are subscribed to. it's made addictive by all the different people that populate reddit and put in interesting, novel content. if we have to go to another place or website JUST for the /leftwingmaleadvocate space, that's going to be really going out of our way just for that. that is a pain in the ass and would be really discouraging.

let this place grow more, please. in a few years, the momentum here could be at a COMPLETELY different level.

don't jump on a stupid bandwagon because that's what everyone else is doing. yeah reddit is evil, google is evil. we already basically knew that. but WE, US - WE are NOT evil and WE are still here and WE need to get MORE people together and that's going to be WAY HARDER if YOU decide to move it somewhere else. YOU didn't even give us a choice in the poll of just "leave everything as it was before any of this stupid crap came out of nowhere" even though WE create the MAJORITY of the content and this space basically belongs to EVERYONE IN IT.

if you need more help modding it, make more serious threads about it!

there's lots of screwed up things in the world we have to put up with in order to just exist. you have to choose your battles. some things are worth taking a hit on, and some things are not worth sacrificing.

Poly_and_RA · 2023-06-14T19:55:23+00:00

Is kbin any different fundamentally?

Let me phrase that differently -- is it owned and controlled by the community; or is it owned and controlled by a company or an individual?

Because the REAL mistake here, and one an endless list of communities have made, is to establish a community on a platform owned and controlled by a corporation.

It always ends up the same way:

The community is a lot more valuable than the platform is; and yet the corporation is ideally positioned to milk that for all it's worth, while ignoring issues of importance to the community.

Only way to fix this is to NOT be on a platform owned by a corporation. Wikipedia owns and runs their own servers for a reason.

Parzival_007 · 2023-06-14T11:08:46+00:00

I'll be honest here : What are your reasons here actually ? Sure the Apollo dev was not treated well and that reflects bad on their CEO. But Mod tools are not going anywhere and neither are the mod bots, and Reddit will work on the Mod tools on the mobile app (words from the AMA).

The API cannot remain cost free and honestly it is a wonder it was free this long, I mean yeah its unreasonable to charge what they are currently, but then again, they don't affect you, seeing as the tools for moding do remain open.

But in joining the blackout you are depriving the internet of the VERY few places that you could have a level headed around men and their issues. I mean mention literally any other sub that does what is being done by r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates ? There are none, without being exceedingly vindictive.

I know you will ask this - why dont I mod if I am so interested, and it's a valid question. The answer is that I have significant biases and I do recognize that - what I consider bad might not actually be.

In case you do choose to move on, all the best to you. You have been great as a moderator around a space without it descending into chaos. But I implore you to rethink this once.

Title_IX_For_All · 2023-06-15T00:16:31+00:00

It's unfortunate. I will miss this sub. The mods and community did a good job here. But I understand. I do wish there were more/better alternatives.

Ultimately, it's the mods' call.

Sewblon · 2023-06-15T06:34:01+00:00

I tried setting up a kb.social account. I got a 429 error due to too many requests. So that one is not going to work for me.

mewacketergi2 · 2023-06-17T15:07:13+00:00

Hey, u/a-man-from-earth. It was a nice trip. Heartfelt thanks for your work here. I wish you good luck in your future endeavors!

Per your question, I see no good options for r/LWMA here. No matter what we chose, Reddit was unique. It both platformed internet weirdos and had mainstream respectability. It is going to be an end of an era, like Tumblr banning porn.

If we move to Mastodon or another niche site, it will look like "tEh MRAs wEnT .win," which will make us look like /r/The_Donald. What's worse, hosting on a smaller, privacy-oriented social platform will cut down active readership 10x or more. We cannot afford this. Men's advocacy is already niche. It is not a hill we can die on. We need to pick our battles.

In my view, keeping r/LWMA active until a more mainstream Reddit alternative emerges is the best option. Then, we should move there in a way that is as organized as possible and minimizes member loss.

P.S. If r/LWMA does shut down, we should set up a third-party newsletter to inform those who leave about a new platform.

TooHornyToFap · 2023-06-14T14:05:09+00:00

Just force all submissions and comments to be links to kbin then

6-leslie · 2023-06-14T14:09:34+00:00

Is r/mensupportmen shutting down the same time/way the poll here wins?

DemolitionMatter · 2023-06-15T02:52:27+00:00

Is this sub going away

SpicyMarshmellow · 2023-06-16T17:55:58+00:00

I've saved a lot of good information from this sub for future reference. My main concern is losing access to all of that before I have time to archive it.

TEL-CFC_lad · 2023-06-17T01:06:52+00:00

Ultimately, I don't think it matters. I don't believe this sub has the power to affect any real-world change. As much as I strongly believe in the message and goal of this sub, I don't believe the world is even remotely interested.

Whether it's a group of redditors here, or a group on another site, I don't think it'll affect the big picture. I honestly believe that believing in moderate equality as we do here, is something that just isn't going to happen.

Wherever this sub exists, it'll be for a small minority. The world doesn't care that 3 in 4 homeless people are men, that men in Iran are being executed for protesting, or that men are the primary victims of war...and this sub, nor it's descendents, will change a thing. I followed this sub, and pages like the Tin Men, but now I just don't believe, and this has cemented it for me.

MordorChixins · 2023-06-19T21:46:40+00:00

Howto create a kbin account: https://old.reddit.com/r/KbinMigration/comments/145bwof/the_redditors_guide_to_how_kbin_works_your/

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