Left environmental views, Left healthcare views, Left housing views, Left economic views, Feminist, Pro DEI/Anti-racist, Pro BLM/TLM/support LGBTQIA rights, pro police reform. “Oh, you’re pro free speech, support men’s issues, and are anti-woke/cancel culture? Nazi incel.”

Sydnaktik · 2022-02-13T09:21:05+00:00

Honestly, I'm the same on all counts. Except Feminism. I'm pro-choice and pro-women's rights. But I'm anti-Feminist. It doesn't take long hanging out around here to learn why.
I'm ambivalent about BLM because BLM itself is schizophrenic. As a popular motto, it is about the general lack of respect for black lives, but especially black men's lives and double especially the police's lack of respect for black men's lives.
However, the closer to organized groups and politically influential leadership you get, the more feminist it becomes. The narrative gets muddled by feminist sophistry, the blame gets placed at the feat of the patriarchy and the advocacy turn towards the care and attention of black women, not black men.

I don't like DEI in general, I feel like identity based aid instead of situational is just going to make things worse. If great great grandfather was a multi-millionaire slave owner, but your parents are destitute alcoholics, it's not really fair that your upper middle class neighbor gets a scholarship and you don't despite having the same grades, just because they're black and you're white.

But even then, I get it, the point is that this is an extremely rare scenario and that the opposite scenario is far more common. So I don't like but I could accept it.

I still oppose it though, because in practice, they nearly always tag women onto the end: "ethnic minorities, lgbtq, and women". And then whatever aid or special consideration was supposed to be given to people who are disenfranchised are instead disproportionally allocated to white women. And the most disenfranchised of all: black men, often end up with nothing.

redgarnetamaranth · 2022-02-13T12:07:49+00:00

I'm anti-feminist precisely because I'm left wing. The feminist movement had literal ties to fascism and former prominent feminists such as Gertrud Sholtz-Klink had worked under Hitler, as an actual Nazi. The entire department of gender studies was also founded by Sally Miller Gearhart who advocated for genociding the male population. So yeah if I were a feminist I wouldn't be going around trying to call other people Nazis.

Natural_Candidate_74 · 2022-02-13T10:16:11+00:00

Right there with you dude. And I'm usually accused by people who don't care about class issues, just the progressive aesthetic

ThunderClap448 · 2022-02-13T16:48:46+00:00

Honestly, my girlfriend is a feminist. Not the american kind where they dye their hair pink and whine about aircon, but the type that actually does good.
She got accused of being a misogynist and a nazi on a regular basis, for calling out some bullshit.
We both love it.

AleksandrNevsky · 2022-02-13T12:15:29+00:00

I can't keep up with these initialisms. What's TLM?

StarZax · 2022-02-13T11:19:38+00:00

You really can't call yourself a feminist and advocating for men's rights tho. Call yourself an egalitarian, not a feminist

SpanishM · 2022-02-13T17:16:51+00:00

Labels. Unfortunately they don't mean too much.

Some feminists are female supremacists.

Some "anti-racist" people and BLM supporters are racist.

Some trans activists are intolerant, and even violent.

They just hide behind well-intended labels.

hendrixski · 2022-02-13T12:50:55+00:00

OMG! That's me!

✅ Left environmental views

✅ Left healthcare views

✅ Left housing views

✅ Left economic views,

✅ intersectional Feminist, anti radical feminism

✅ Pro DEI/Anti-racist

✅ Pro BLM/TLM/support LGBTQIA rights, pro police reform

But I support equality for men so... Apparently that makes me a right winger and an incel (who's married with 3 kids) and a racist for good measure (even though I'm in an interracial marriage).

The shunning of men's issues from left-wing spaces is only driving left wing men into right wing spaces. Then we wonder why we lost an election to an illiterate orange 🍊

NimishApte · 2022-02-13T09:38:36+00:00

I don't support DEI and the BLM organization. DEI is way too based in identity politics for me comfortable with it. You can achieve the end goals of affirmative action with race neutral policies. Californian Universities have been admitting diverse student bodies while affirmative action is banned in the State. The BLM organization has engaged in way too much looting and shop burning. They also have way too Marxism and wokeness. I am also very pro nuclear power.

WeEatBabies · 2022-02-13T15:35:08+00:00

People result to insults when they run out of argument, don't worry about them, keep fighting the good fight.

BloomingBrains · 2022-02-14T10:17:58+00:00

I don't know what to tell you man. This is an insane world we live in. It helps to remind myself that if people really call me something like that, it means that in reality I'm probably exact the opposite. That's the way you have to figure it. That they're really just projecting their own insecurities onto you. So take it as a badge of honor, as weird as that sounds to say.

"It's better to be hated for who you are, than to be loved for someone you're not. It's a sign of your worth sometimes, if you're hated by the right people.“ — Bette Davis

Alarming_Draw · 2022-02-16T23:21:50+00:00

Bang on. Been saying for ages that the greatest irony is that Trump owed a lot of his success to crazy feminists who pissed off everyone in the center to vote for him, and pissed off enough people on the Left to not bother voting at all=Trump got elected.

For the record-I HATE Trump. But im genuinely beginning to hate feminists as much.

a-man-from-earth · 2022-02-13T14:39:50+00:00

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Petsweaters · 2022-02-16T19:13:28+00:00

I can't think of anything more ironic than calling somebody "incel"

Aren't incels people who feel as if they have low worth because they aren't having sex? Calling them incel just bolsters that myth

"Lol, you think sex with women gives you value! What a dummy, but also NO WOMAN WOULD EVER FUCK YOU!!!"

jabberwockxeno · 2022-02-13T15:41:50+00:00

I understand your frustration with this, and how some progressives and others on the left are extremely intolerant of not even particularly extreme views on online speech and mens issues (especially since I would argue those actually fit into leftist and social justice/feminist theory quite well: the crackdown on speech online for example empowers large megacorporations which already have a terrifying about of social and political influence, as well as makes it less socially unacceptable for workers to be fired)...

...but I think posts like this are unhelpful, and just end up preforming the same bad generalizations you're trying to criticize, and end up making this sub only a somewhat less toxic /r/MensRights

Like, at the very least, I think if you're gonna address a topic like this, I'd try to comment more on the specific interaction in question, and do more of a in depth breakdown of why mens issues, not being in favor of online speech crackdowns, etc isn't incompatible with other leftist perspectives, and how the attitude is harmful to overall progress, or something, rather then it just being a vent post.

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