TRP.RED Live-update thread for the US presidential debate: #FirstDebate

redpillschool · 2016-09-26T16:57:06+00:00

#FirstDebate As the rules plainly state, we're not a political sub, and we're steering clear of having the sub or users endorse a candidate one way...

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He interrupted whenever she said an outright lie. He had to debunk it before the millions of brainwashed voters eat that shit up. It was a good strategy on her end but if Trump didnt interrupt her by saying "Wrong" then that would be misinterpreted as the truth.

It was honestly smart on Clintons end, and it was basically a trap, being aided by the moderator.

Whatever. Shit happens but people are just looking for reasons to celebrate seeing Trump "implode." They dont understand that systematically, it was built to be unfair i.e. biased moderator, Hillary knowing the answers ahead of time, etc. If you disagree then look at what happened with Sanders. Every subtle factor whether the MSM or debate judges or delegates or donors or shills all favor Hillary and create a VERY slanted playing field by debate. Fuck the establishment.

All shit aside, majority polls are indicating that he won, soooo i guess thats all that matters.

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I disagree.

Ignorance is no way to operate. Rather than ignore information that you think is uncomfortable it's better to learn everything and then decide.

Being unaware of reality isn't the answer. (that's precisely how the Blue Pill is configured)

A World War Three is in the plan and always has been.

The Globalist Tyranny isn't going to get this far and then say:

"Oh gee... this quest for absolute power has gotten so boring. Let's stop this long process and pick flowers instead."

P.S: Unless you are not paying attention the Russians are taking the threat very seriously as they know full well what the Globalist Tyranny has in mind. Ignorance is no utopia. However, just because you are wise to what is actually happening doesn't mean you have much control over it.

So some decide Ignorance is Bliss.

Living a life where you ignore the unpleasant truths is much easier.

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If it weren't for the media that distorts reality to serve the interests of the Globalist Tyranny I'd guess that Hillary would be behind by 20 points or more.

Essentially the entire system tries to keep the Blue Pill mythology alive and they manipulate us all the time.

But the whole global mythology is cracking.

This includes the biggest scam on earth which is Fractional Reserve Banking through the Central Banks. Once that cracks all kinds of shit will break loose. (making 2007 seem small)

Then expect a World War Three as a distraction.

The goal is a prison planet.

The reason men are less attractive to you now it that these Globalist psychopaths are turning the men into mindless beta slave drones. It's no wonder they are disgusting to you. (I don't blame you)

How can men and women wake up and ever be on the same page again?

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That's nice of you NeoreactionSafe - to not assume that they cannot. I would like to think we can. I think it's a HUMAN quality naturally to strive for intelligence, hence curiosity and playfulness. And unfortunately in this day and age women take advantage of men's beta state. Everyone is just trying to "get by". This is why I hate the blue pill, it slowly puts people into subservience by having them say "This is okay...no, this is great, it could always be -WORSE-" (because god forbid, struggling and pushing against the status quo because you DEMAND things be better is offensive), and then justifying their inaction. The insane state of money is mind-blowing. When you hear of companies making BILLIONS of dollars and about the complete SHIT working conditions of factories overseas, it's insane to think that NAFTA or TPP weren't inspired by the ones pulling the fucking strings. That's why the espionage act is such bullshit, it is a way to put anyone going against "National interest" whatever the fuck that is (terrorism, if you are 16 or younger you have grown up in a world that has never NOT had this word), into solitary confinement(i,e, torture). Not that I am okay with ISIS, dichotimy is the virus of true logic. I am pro military sure, I believe in law and order, but I AM NOT for a military that is abused by powers acting for their OWN welfare. As for the global mythology. The younger generation feels this. That's why Bernie was such a huge success even though the media gave him 0 coverage. I have hope that we are waking up. But...we'll see. TRUMP WON ALL THE POLLS BESIDES CNN. ;)

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Yes, I do. I have really thought about that. There was a huge condemnation on the desire to thoroughly investigate 9/11 by calling anyone who thought otherwise on it as a "conspiracy theorist". I know that a few of my friends probably think I am a conspiracy theorist, so I try to make it relate-able to them. I.e "Hey, do you realize a lot of houses are so expensive in our city because they're not owned by people but by investment companies? Hence the -genderfication- ?" "Hey do you know we send BILLIONS of dollars to Israel after we relocated them?" Etc. Etc. People are so fucking basic in their thought processes though because they eat processed bullshit and they read processed information and they've forgotten how to "critically think" because experts from wherever the fuck can do it for them. And anything that makes people uncomfortable nowadays isn't something of interest but something of discomfort, and we know beta bitches HATE being discomforted. They just assume there are definite reasons for why our government acts why it does. But they definitely complain when I say, "Hey, look how much fucking came out of your weekly paycheck for taxes." Because well, that hits close to home. Water that boils slowly is hard to notice.

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Well again... we are talking about a few families who own trillions of dollars.

These families (like the Rothschilds) have been in power since the Founding Fathers tried to break free of the Bank of England.

I know history very well.

Now what has happened is maybe half of the people of Jewish ancestry have gotten sucked into Zionism.

But the other half are not.

Some are secular, some are "True Torah Jews" who actually study the Torah.

The fact is that saying Zionism represents Judaism is very much like saying Wahhabi Islam represents Islam or that the present Pope represents Christianity.

I've seen the Bilderberg lists and there is more variety in who is influential in the Globalist Tyranny than your figures. (you might check that)

The bottom line is the Dark Luciferian cults (Zionism, Wahhabism, Satanism, etc) all work in concert to bring in the Globalist Tyranny.

My advice is to ignore nothing... just see all the data.

Stick to Globalist Tyranny.

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The original question was about us not going into war with russia. You disagreed. I asked what your answer was in terms of your disagreement, but what you gave is the explanation trail that we are in. I agree that ignorance is undesirable. What you fail to realize is you're talking to a man that is in the profession of killing and because of that, I see things simply because I understand the big picture. The same shit you spout is the same shit that has been spout by sages, cooks, crazies, emperors throughout time in different forms. I ask you without all the trivial tangents, why you disagreed that the US and Russia will not be going to war. What is your proof and/or evidence of your specific understanding of the geopolitical situation that leads to your opinion and then what is your answer?

I am slowly starting to realize why you may have been good at business; you are a good bullshitter.

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I found that Hillary wasn't any deeper on lots of issues. She did a lot of circle talking but offered no real plans just a bunch of visit my website. She sounded like a twitch streamer trying to built her twitter and you tube follower numbers.

For example on the jobs issue:

Her job plan was we build jobs and generated huge numbers last year > Trumps rebuttal was those jobs are low quality and low pay. Her response was we will build more job in these areas. Then retreated to check my website for details and explained nothing.

At least trump had a plan in re-negotiating NAFTA, trashing the TPP and reducing corporate taxes/regulation in specific industries. If this is a good plan remains to be seen but it was addressed.

I would say both are very surface answer candidates neither gave any specifics on the what and barely on the how.

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Democracy is one of the most idiotic systems ever created.

Jesus, the tween edginess in this subreddit these days. I know it's tempting to let your feels be the lens by which you understand politics, but put down the fucking stridex pads and pick up a history book.

Idiotic, compared to what - feudal serfdom? communism? stateless tribal anarchy? absolute monarchy? theocracy? sharia? Be specific. Which one of these really awful things do you find to be less idiotic? No cheating making your frame of reference some hypothetical thing that doesn't exist, it has to be something that actually exists in the real world.

Write us a field report after moving to a part of the world with no concept of democracy and living there. Personally I recommend North Korea and Somalia. Let us know how much less idiotic their system is.

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Democracy is one of the most idiotic systems ever created.

One of the red pills you need to swallow about the world is that political systems are never created on a clean slate. They're always a result of compromise between the various factions that make up a state.

Democracy was the inevitable result of industrialization. Before industrialization you had an agricultural economy. The rich could afford armies and the poor could rebel with inferior equipment and organization and had very little chance of doing actual harm to the rich unless the rebellion were truly massive. The French Revolution was one such massive rebellion (which still ended with no sort of democracy, by the way), but before it hundreds of jacqueries or peasant revolts had been attempted, none with any lasting success.

But once economies became industrialized then suddenly the mass acquired much more power. Striking by even a fraction of workers (such as coal miners or train operators) could seriously damage the interests of the rich, and the army having to be turned into a mass-conscripted force put that much more power in the hands of the conscript masses. It's no coincidence that popular revolutions (i.e. revolutions chiefly sustained by the working class) became much more successful once industrialization took hold.

European elites slowly and recalcitrantly came to realize that to contain that threat they had to give in to some demands. They had to give the working class a stake in the country's governance, so that instead of rebelling outright they'd get involved in the political process and channel their grievances through it. That's how modern democracy was born: a compromise between the elites and the industrial masses, whereby the elites kept governing (with few exceptions, all Western democratic governments were made up of upper class educated men) but the working class had a way to choose between which strand of elite governance their preferred.

Over the last few decades our industrial base has been exported to other countries and workers have lost the implicit threat-powerof strike. And that's because you're now seeing democracy being effectively dismantled, with mainstream parties all converging around an ideology, globalism, that unabashedly pursues the interests of the elites and fucks over the working class. They simply don't need to fear any longer.

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I'm outside the party lines and see then for exactly who they are. Trump appears to be outside, but it's he?

Our elections are a dog and pony show, the equivalent of bread and circus in ancient Rome. Making people think or feel like they're a part of the system, when really they're not. We have no say, no voice, and they even showed us without a doubt that is true. Bernie wins the most votes, hrc gets the delegates. They're not even trying to hide the fact we don't matter, other than production slaves.

This misdirection keeps us divided, and makes most easy to manipulate. Aka useful idiots.

So, is Trump the same old shit with a thin veneer? Gotta wait and see. I don't dislike him, but I never trust politicians, even if it's their first time,

Hillary make no effort to hide it, because she doesn't need to. She has voters based solely on party lines, her vagina, and she isn't Trump.

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they all support any corporation that allows the to stay in power or allows them to accumulate more power. There have been recent articles detailing the relationship between the clintons and goldman sachs. That org is as republican leaning as possible, yet they own the clintons because they pumped enough money their way.

Also google who writes most of the bills that come up in front of our legislature to become law. i'll clue you in, it's lobbyists that represent corporations. LITERALLY. Meaning corporations pump enough money into politicians to basically own them. Then, they push for legislation that is beneficial to them. SO what do the politicians do?!? They don't even care anymore what that legislation is. They ask those corporations to get their lobbyists to write up the bill, and they'll support it on the floor. There are many instances of politicians caught with zero knowledge of bills they sponsored. When they were challenged via debate by those that opposed the bill, those politicians basically stood there like deer staring into headlights.

The democracy is a joke. The only reason it exists is because the people are too dumb. Too caught up with what kim kardashian is doing tonight to worry about the state of the union. Sad day in america...

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Two of the jobs I used to work were moved to Mexico. Both technical CNC machinist jobs. Since I can write the program, I'm too expensive.

Corporate tax cuts have happened in some states, like Wisconsin. They pay zero corporate tax to the state. Who makes up the shortfall to repair roads, pay firefighters, police, and teachers? The people who live and work there. Wisconsin has roads in dire need of repair that are scheduled to get worked on in (I am not making this up) 300 years from now. Governor Walker did that. Guess what corporations did with the zero tax. They didn't invest it, didn't expand and create jobs, they gave it to the ceo and the other heads in the corporation. Meanwhile firefighters have a tiny budget, the police rely on the federal drug interdiction money, and teachers have no retirement with an included pay cut.

That is the typical Republican method. Give a break to the wealthy to increase profit without an increase in productivity, and make the average Joe pay for it. A tax break for everyone means less public services... Unless of course we tell the Federal Reserve to fuck off and we stop paying them interest on our own money. That won't happen. That is where 100% of personal income tax goes, to the Fed. Bet ya didn't know that about this country. Most of the people living here don't know that the Federal Reserve isn't part of the government or even part of the country, yet we owe them a few trillion dollars in interest because we let them sell us our currency.

So until we plug that hole, and we plug the holes that allow corporations to move production off shore and bring products in without tariffs, nothing good will happen for the people who live here. They'll remain indentured servants to the Federal Reserve, barely make enough to survive, and continue to struggle to achieve the dream of retirement that increasingly will never come.

That is what Trump is up against.

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Hes as close to a savior as it gets.

All of us here on redpill are aware of how political correctness has destroyed Western society.. i.e. feminism, blue pill, sexism, etc

Hes the only one that has gotten enough momentum to actually break through the rigged process of becoming a nominee.. Even past decent presidents still had their hands in some globalist NWO bullshit.

We finally have one, and whether you may like him or not hes the first one to break through the 1000 barriers they throw at genuine non-estbalishment candidates.

His message is pro-western.. fuck islam and the PC the democrats are brainwashing our kids with.. they want us to be slaves for the bluepill corporations of the future. We finally have a warrior who is putting it on the line man, im not sure what your caught up on to not see that- and think hes a baffoon.

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we need a revolution to change things.

Change what though? Or more to the point, change who?

Hypergamy will still rage on unfettered (no putting that paste back in the tube). Same for social media and all the addiction that comes with it. People will still prioritize (and demand) all their hedonistic, distracting little pleasures. People will still swim in a revolting pool of laziness, fear and apathy.

People themselves would have to fundamentally change. They'd have to start giving a fuck about things, taking responsibility, setting aside their self-destructive habits and devoting themselves to truth, freedom, bettering themselves and, consequently, bettering the world. They'd have to set aside their prejudices for once, stand above hatred and contempt for one another and (finally) set their cross-hairs as a unified whole against the powers that be.

If that sounds too far-fetched for you, well, it's because barring some outrageous miracle, it is.

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He's redpill in a way that all billionaires are redpill, which is to say they always get their way. However, he is still one of the foremost idiots/assholes I. The world. And a deep look at his business acumen shows he has basically bullied and lied and cheated his way to where he is, at the cost of common people.

I know a decent size of TRP is racist, nationalist, and alt right or whatever bullshit label you want to put on it. Just know this, if you truly subscribe to rp theory, you shouldn't subscribe to al that hate. RP teaches us to be th best we can be in a fucked up world, not to get ahead hating on others or making excuses about how I migrants are holding us back or whatever other bullshit excuse. Life is too short, don't waste it on hatred...

On that note, Hillary is also a loser, but at least not delusionally unhinged like the Drumpf...

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He's redpill in a way that all billionaires are redpill, which is to say they always get their way. However, he is still one of the foremost idiots/assholes I. The world. And a deep look at his business acumen shows he has basically bullied and lied and cheated his way to where he is, at the cost of common people.

I know a decent size of TRP is racist, nationalist, and alt right or whatever bullshit label you want to put on it. Just know this, if you truly subscribe to rp theory, you shouldn't subscribe to al that hate. RP teaches us to be th best we can be in a fucked up world, not to get ahead hating on others or making excuses about how I migrants are holding us back or whatever other bullshit excuse. Life is too short, don't waste it on hatred...

While I don't disagree...

...You are kidding yourself if you think Hillary's crowd doesn't hate the fuck out of you for taking a single word of this subreddit seriously - and she'll have the power to do a great deal.

Trump faces resistance from the opposing party, the vast majority of the media, and even his own party.

A vote for Trump is a vote for a federal government in check. A vote for Hillary is a vote for an unchecked hard left turn - and men ultimately suffer from that. We'll probably be okay, but our progeny won't be.

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Especially male people.

Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat. - Hillary Clinton, Conference on domestic violence in San Salvador, El Salvador (17 November 1998)

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Why would the Russian Government waste their time convincing their citizenry to be pro Trump?

I can think of at least four reasons:

They think it can sway the U.S. election (and they think a Trump presidency will be favorable to Russia). Foreign citizens can donate to U.S. presidential candidates, and it's possible to use foreign approval ratings as arguments for/against a particular candidate (look at how Democrats use the fact that many foreign heads of state don't take Trump seriously as a pro-Clinton argument).
They are building domestic support for Trump in the event they want to work with him in the future. If they think there's a chance of a Trump win, and he's currently unpopular in Russia, it's prudent to boost his popularity so there would be greater approval of potentially partnering on some sort of future international agreement.
Russian leadership likes Trump for some reason and their propaganda merely reflects that. Maybe he has a personal or business relationship with Putin, maybe Putin/Russian leadership hates the Clintons for some real or perceived slight at some point.
They want to discourage the idea that a highly unpredictable person could wind up in charge of the world's largest military and economy. Uncertainty is bad for the economy, and Trump brings uncertainty. If they can't influence the election they can at least influence the perception of him as unpredictable.

And it's not really a "waste" of time or money -- they have a state media outlet with nothing better to do. In any event, it's safer to assume that Russian media has a state-supported agenda than it is to assume it's reporting facts in a sober, neutral way.

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I say this as somebody who values TRP very much for it's stated purpose. (sexual strategy)

Honestly it's not going to be any surprise that 99% of TRP'ers who are basically Trump's core demographic be Clinton's sworn enemy.

Angry white males support trump? You don't say...

PERSONALLY - I reserve my TRP principals for SEXUAL strategy and PERSONAL development, not some social movement to wage jihad against the feminist bogeymen.

In terms of who I want at the helm of government, I truly feel Clinton will basically hold status quo while Trump could essentially set the world on fire. The man is simply a fucking clown in the level of Sarah Palin. Maybe worse.

He would, at the very least, be nominating 1 or 2 SC Judges, which alone is reason for me to oppose him.

TBH, I'm kind of blue pill in my politics as I believe in the government providing free public education, Medicare, taking care of the mentally ill, etc. most TRP philosophy is closer to a social Darwinism which I just can't get behind from a government pov.

Finally, anybody that watched the debates should realize this man is anything but an example of "holding frame".

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It's rather complicated, but suffice it to say that there are a few hundred thousand war veterans in the US now. A large number of us will still uphold our oath to defend the Constitution. We understand how the real world works, not the white bread very low risk world that we have secured within the US. An attempt to remove our rights and our ability to personally defend them will result in a war. You probably don't see it, but the only vets I know who aren't thinking similarly had office jobs and never did anything dangerous.

I know, sounds ludicrous to the civilian mind, all conspiracy theory and illuminati bullshit. Travel the world, meet interesting and exciting people from ancient cultures, and realize they are quite like us, especially that they are being manipulated to kill for someone else just like we are, and you see the world different.

Call it stupid if you like. There are those of us who sacrificed more than you'll ever know to protect our rights, we won't easily surrender them. We know something you apparently don't.

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TRP.RED Live-update thread for the US presidential debate: #FirstDebate

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Title	TRP.RED Live-update thread for the US presidential debate: #FirstDebate
Author	redpillschool
Upvotes	58
Comments	314
Date	September 26, 2016 4:57 PM UTC (9 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/TheRedPill
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/54llld/trpred_liveupdate_thread_for_the_us_presidential/
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