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Police in San Francisco use DNA collected from a rape victim to link a woman to another crime years later, leading to fears the practice will deter sexual assault victims from coming forward

raffu280

February 15, 2022
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10513221/DA-San-Francisco-police-used-rape-kit-DNA-arrest-victim.html
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Title Police in San Francisco use DNA collected from a rape victim to link a woman to another crime years later, leading to fears the practice will deter sexual assault victims from coming forward
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Date February 15, 2022 7:08 PM UTC
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Comments

[–]Justda 145 points146 points147 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But males who were falsely accused DNA is still valid?

[–]Practical-Rip6471 261 points262 points263 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Isn't this what happens to men all the time to the great applause of women? There have even been serious calls for the mass testing of all men just for such a purpose.

[–]FractalChinchilla 22 points23 points24 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

There have even been serious calls for the mass testing of all men just for such a purpose.

Where?

[–]Im-A-Scared-Child 22 points23 points24 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I honestly call bullshit on that but soon it won't matter because DNA testing sites like 23andme and ancestry are close to having most people's DNA or a relatives DNA that can be linked back to them. Those websites give law enforcement unlimited access to their DNA databases and its insane that it's legal.

I wonder if people would use websites like that if they knew they could be wrongly accused of a crime?

[–]Practical-Rip6471 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

DNA analysis was invented in the UK. It was first used in the conviction of the double murderer Colin Pitchfork. During the investigation there were strident calls for ALL local men to be sampled. 5500 local men were. Colin was caught because he let slip he had somebody else take the test in his place. He was convicted of raping and murdering two school girls, three years apart. DNA profiling also cleared a suspect the police had pressured into confessing for one of the murders.

In the UK there are regular calls in Parliament for curfews on men or a DNA database of all men.

[–]heyyy-kiddo 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why you would use such sites beats me.

[–]raffu280[S] 189 points190 points191 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Now women rape kits will be excluded from evidence for any other crimes. Another special "exemption" will be made.

[–]Practical-Rip6471 70 points71 points72 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Just like evidence of them calling or texting their "alleged" attacker after the alleged incident!

[+]KingKnotts -21 points-20 points-19 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Rape kits literally should never be used as evidence in any cases except for rape. It is extremely unethical and for very obvious reasons. This isn't a men's rights issue at all.

[–]WingsofSky 41 points42 points43 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

So the cops shouldn't access dna databases either then?

If you don't commit crimes. Then why are you worried about the dna?

[–]comment-stalker 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They already have this woman's DNA in the regular DNA databases that you are describing or imagining. What the commenter above you is, I believe, claiming is that a person should not have extra DNA that is added to these system simply because they reported being the victim of a crime. Regardless of gender, your reporting of a crime should not impact your likelihood to be arrested in the future.

[–]KingKnotts 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You basically are arguing if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear as an argument against ones right to privacy. The argument you are making is literally why the framers of the Constitution made it a right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures.

People's rights matter.

[–]Crotherz 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Is this a joke or sarcasm? I can’t really tell.

Do you believe our governments should just be allowed to have our DNA on file no matter what?

[–]WingsofSky 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The US government does whatever it wants. Regardless of law and reason.

Welcome to a paper democracy.

[–]meaty_wheelchair 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Any government does whatever it wants. Regardless of law and reason.

Fixed that for you.

[–]WingsofSky 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Some smaller countries aren't so bad. The bigger ones go power mad and nuts.

[–]Crotherz 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It doesn’t mean we should just talk about it like it’s no big deal though. That’s admitting defeat :(

[–]MiddleReasonable647 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

DNA registries exist. Police use them to catch male perps all the time. Females should be no exception.
DNA is collected for all kinds of reasons, including for registering to own a concealed firearm, and you betcha the police will comb those data sets for all kinds of crimes committed, even without use of a gun. A male rapist will have his dna used against him in future crimes after he is released from prison.
Why would females be excluded? If my dna is collected as a victim of a battery, so as to prove the case against an assailant, I would assume that my dna could and would be used against me in the future if I commit a crime.

[–]KingKnotts 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Nobody is saying that it should be different for women, it shouldn't happen to either sex. The databases have intended purposes and databases for victims of sex crimes is not intended to be used against the victims. Databases for criminals are intended for that purpose. There is a very real slippery slope you are walking down that leads to them having everyone's DNA to use since it's in medical databases already.

[–]MiddleReasonable647 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

At this point I’m ok with that. No murder should go unsolved. Don’t tape or kill anybody and you have nothing to hide. Can it be abused? Anything can be abused.

[–]hehimCA 174 points175 points176 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What if the woman had committed a multiple murder? Would it be okay then?

Anything to keep women out of jail I guess.

[–]Angryasfk 103 points104 points105 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Ah yes, the “chilling effect”.

The same “logic” has been used to call for prosecutions and convictions on insufficient evidence, and to not overturn clearly flawed convictions.

[–]ImportantResults 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Can you please clarify.

I really have no idea what you are talking about and I want to know.

[–]Angryasfk 23 points24 points25 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m assuming you’re not aware of the term “chilling effect”.

Essentially it means that actions of the authorities should not “deter other victims” from coming forward. It’s deployed to prevent prosecutions of false accusers in particular as this would have a “chilling effect” on “other victims”. The idea that rape victims won’t report the crimes because they’ll fear being arrested and imprisoned if they cannot prove their case.

They’ve extended this to say that appeals against conviction shouldn’t go ahead, and that convictions shouldn’t be overturned (even when the evidence used to convict is dubious) as this will have a “chilling effect”. It is the sort of argument that was deployed in Israel to ensure that women could not be charged with raping a man - it will have a “chilling effect” on “rape victims coming forward”.

One thing is common. In all these cases the actual facts of the case and the evidence available (and even in some cases the basic question of justice) is to be set aside as it “may stop other people” from coming forward!

It’s a dishonest argument.

[–]TheMexicanJuan 28 points29 points30 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It will deter criminals from coming forward

[–]tenchineuro 30 points31 points32 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

  • San Francisco police used rape kit DNA to link woman to crime years later: Fears practise will deter sexual assault victims from coming forward

  • District Attorney Chesa Boudin said a woman was arrested based on her DNA

  • He claimed the DNA was collected years ago during a rape examination

  • He said the practise could dissuade sexual assault victims reporting crimes

  • He also said it could violate the constitutional protection against unreasonable searches and seizures, as well as California's Victims' Bill of Rights

  • San Francisco Police Chief Bill Scott confirmed he has ordered an investigation

  • The police crime lab 'attempts to identify crime suspects' by searching a law enforcement database that includes DNA collected from sexual assault victims, District Attorney Chesa Boudin said Monday.

  • He did not identify the database, but said one woman was recently arrested for a felony property crime based on her DNA which was collected years ago during a domestic violence rape examination.

  • He also said it could violate the constitutional protection against unreasonable searches and seizures, as well as California's Victims' Bill of Rights.

What was unreasonably searched and seized?

[–]cmkenyon123 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

because she was a victim her DNA should never have been put in the system (CODIS). The police then searched CODIS several years later and found her victim DNA. I.e. they searched CODIS and seized her DNA results.

[–]pm_me_your_buttbulge 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

To be clear , if a man is accused and exonerated, is his information kept? Or never used again?

[–]cmkenyon123 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bill Scott, the San Francisco police chief, told the Chronicle the woman could have been identified in the property crime via DNA found in a different database, rather than a profile collected from a rape exam. Scott also said the department “would thoroughly review the matter” and report back to him and the district attorney’s office.

Sounds like there may actually be a victim's DNA database separate from CODIS and if that is the case it is really bad.

[–]tenchineuro 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

because she was a victim

We don't know that.

her DNA should never have been put in the system (CODIS).

So you claim that the police unreasonably searched and seized their own database? How does that work?

[–]HenryCGk 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So DNA and fingerprint hits aren't necessarily unique (whats on the database is a hash of some kind)

If you collide for a crime that in fact you could not have committed due to where you where the crime scene Bio record will be more convincing that all the evidence you weren't even in the right state.

So theirs a body of law on whether that's allowed or not

The fact is 23 and me have your genetic code or at least enough third/fourth cousins to find you in some parts of the us that can be used.

[–]tenchineuro 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

So DNA and fingerprint hits aren't necessarily unique

I'm pretty sure DNA is unique, that being said they currently look at only several small parts of it. Most of the DNA is the same in humans.

It's worse than that...

  • https://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/permanent/human-origins/understanding-our-past/dna-comparing-humans-and-chimps
  • DNA: Comparing Humans and Chimps
  • Humans and chimps share a surprising 98.8 percent of their DNA. How can we be so similar--and yet so different?

So there's not really much point looking at all of it.

As for fingerprints, AFAIK there is no scientific study showing that fingerprints are unique, much less partial prints. Most forensics techniques are snake oil.

If you collide for a crime that in fact you could not have committed due to where you where the crime scene Bio record will be more convincing that all the evidence you weren't even in the right state.

Then the evidence will prove her guilt.

So theirs a body of law on whether that's allowed or not

Where DNA is concerned everything is a work in progress.

[+]cmkenyon123 -11 points-10 points-9 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

she was RAPED!

I replied in thread about 2nd database and yes there are requirements on how to search that database.

[–]tenchineuro 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

she was RAPED!

Tell me how you know.

And she apparently also committed a felony property crime, but apparently that's not a problem.

[–]pm_me_your_buttbulge 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I know of at least two chicks that have lied about rape and domestic violence. Sorry buddy, without evidence I’m not inclined to pick a side as quickly as you are. But you’re gullible and emotional so… par for the course

[+]cmkenyon123 -8 points-7 points-6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

WOW!

[–]pm_me_your_buttbulge 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

People lie. News at 5.

Look at Johnny drop and his situation and the sexist anti male people

[–]UnconventionalXY 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It's unreasonable to use sporadic evidence collected circumstantially from some people and not others: if DNA evidence is that important then it should be either collected from everyone or no-one.

However, DNA is not the silver bullet it is claimed to be due to the possibility of coincidental contamination of a site, subsequent contamination of a sample or incorrect collection and identification.

[–]ApprehensiveMail8 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, this is important for people to understand; it's not that DNA tests are super inaccurate, it is that the accuracy of the test needs to be looked at with appropriate context.

There is a concept in statistics called prior probability. The odds of a test being meaningful depend on not just on how good the test is but also what you knew before the test.

This is one such case. The police did not have a suspect and order that suspect to take a DNA test- they searched a DNA database to find a suspect.

The probability of a false positive is MUCH higher when you do it that way.

Imagine your DNA test is correct 99% of the time. If you have a suspect first, then test them, the odds of a false ID is just 1%.

However, if you search a database of 200 people, you will likely wind up with at least 1 or 2 people whose DNA matches due to the error rate of the test. Your odds of one of those two people actually being guilty are pretty much the odds of the actual criminal having been in the database in the first place - which is very small, because most of the population is not in the database. It goes from a near certainty that the suspect is guilty to a near certainty that you are arresting an innocent person.

[–]tenchineuro 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

There are a lot of other potential issues with DNA testing, like lab errors, in a few cases labs have tested a sample against itself and, not unexpectedly found a match. And some labs realized that if you give the police what they are looking for, they'll get their business and have misrepresented the evidence. But even then, it' still better than hair analysis and most other other forensic tests.

But let's be honest here, there's actually only one issue, that a rape victim is being re-victimized, and that's where I disagree.

  1. We don't know that she is a rape victim, all we know is that she's made an accusation.
  2. Even if she was a rape victim that should not shield her from any other crime, especially felony level crimes as is the case here.

The issue of whether proper procedure was used is incidental, it's not the issue that has so many commenters upset. And if that's the case I would think the defense just needs show that and the DNA match was made against standing procedure and it will be ruled inadmissible. So unless they have other evidence the case will collapse.

[–]Naru4odo 59 points60 points61 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So to summarize, victims will be afraid to come forward with sexual assault claims, because it would deter them from a future of crime.... Got it

[–]pargofan 43 points44 points45 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe don't commit crime???

[–]IShitOnPastries 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree. This isn't right. Police shouldn't be allowed to collect DNA from non-offenders to throw in a database just in case.

With that said, anyone who opposes this and supports men receiving the same treatment is a piece of shit. This reminds me of the Joseph James DeAngelo case. He was an active serial killer and rapist in the 1970s to 1980s, and he was caught 30 years later because a relative of his took one of those DNA lineage tests. It was found that they had a common great-great-grandfather.

As happy as I am that the man will finally answer for his crimes, I would honestly he rather had never been caught if it meant police could not demand DNA from any source they please.

[–]AdityaGutpa 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

While this incident does happen far more to men, it is still horrible this happened to someone.

[–]OldEgalitarianMRA 34 points35 points36 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

In China they collected the DNA of all men because only men commit crime.

[–]Strigon_7 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Thats sounds like an interesting read, got a link?

[–]OldEgalitarianMRA 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01984-4

[–]tenchineuro 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

  • Chinese state media first reported the government’s intention to construct a national forensic DNA database in 2017. But a report released on 17 June compiled by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI), a think tank in Canberra, reveals the scale, and key details, of the operation for the first time: for several years, police have been collecting DNA from men and school-aged boys across the country. They aim to collect and store genetic profiles of roughly 10% of the country’s male population — as many as 70 million people, according to the report.

  • The report estimates that those DNA profiles can be used to construct genetic links to China’s entire male population, roughly 700 million people.

  • The Chinese government says the database will help it to track down criminals, who are mostly male. But the report also describes the operation as part of government efforts to “deepen” social control.

[–]Devidose 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Crime lords are just going to hire freelancer women in that case.

[–]Strigon_7 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Many thanks.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Once again, society refuses to hold Women accountable for their actions.

[–]omegaphallic 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What the police did was actually illegal and violated her rights, they should not have had this access to her medical data like that. This isn't a case of pussy pass (there are plenty of cases that are, this isn't one of them), it's a case of police careless violating civil rights. And the presence of DNA is not by itself evidence of a crime, there are many different ways for that DNA to get there with her presence. We all leave or DNA everywhere, but we also spread the DNA of those around us as well.

[–]OctaviaPinfold 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I am disturbed that victims who have the courage to undergo an invasive examination to help identify their perpetrators are being treated like criminals rather than supported as crime victims

If they are criminals, they deserve to be treated as criminals. Getting assaulted doesn't negate a past crime, and really shouldn't. That's a massive pussy pass.

[–]omegaphallic -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think this is a pussy pass issue, it's a privacy issue, what right did cops have to access private medical data? I mean this would be just as much a concern if the rape victim was a man. For me at least this is less about gender/sex and more about medical privacy issues. BTW DNA is not the lock on guilt you think it is, there are tons of ways for your DNA to get to places you've never been. Example you shake your bare hand with someone wearing gloves, they go home touch stuff with the glove covered with your skin cells and someone murders them. Oh look yur DNA is all over a crime scene you've never been too.

[–]BowtiepastaMasta 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A crime is a crime. Simple as that.

[–]xTheVyrusx 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I saw the rage on FDS sub about this, it was quite the spectacle.

[–]jinladen040 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Again, They dont want equality, they want an advantage. Don't commit crimes and you'll have nothing to worry about, plain and simple.

[–]Kinexity 21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago* (15 children) | Copy Link

If someone else's accusation being found out to be false stops you from reporting a genuine crime the problem is with you not the false accusation being found out.

Edit: (The above sentence stands but here's the opinion that is actually on topic) If you commited a crime and you won't report a crime against you because of fear of being found out of your own crime that's your fault for doing shit against law, not the police's fault for trying to catch you.

[–]Diesel-66 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

At least read the title. It's about women being connected to other crimes by DNA

[–]mee8Ti6Eit 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

There's a simple solution to that. Don't commit crimes.

We can talk about general issues with policing and law enforcement, but those affect men way more than women.

[–]tenchineuro 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's a simple solution to that. Don't commit crimes.

That does not protect men falsely accused of sexual assault.

But it should work for women.

[–]KingKnotts -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Criminals and law abiding citizens all have privacy rights, hers were violated. On top of that the argument that the solution is just don't commit crimes is very much pushing into the reasoning for WHY the constitution addresses searches and seizures. Just like the government has no right to go through your house looking to see of you might be doing anything illegal they have no fucking right going through a database of VICTIMS of crimes looking for potential criminals.

[–]McFeely_Smackup[🍰] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's not even close to what this article is about.

[+]djb1983CanBoy -25 points-24 points-23 points 4 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link

Your edit is terrible victim blaming. What if the crime that woman committed was prostitution? And then some person rapes her when shes offering a handjob? Yikes - you say its “their fault for doing shit against law”.

You see, police should have the discretion/priority/limited to go after the rapist only and encourage the hooker to report the rape without fear of reprisal, because the rape is a far worse crime.

The question the article is asking is can that evidence, evidence collected because she is a victim, be used to pursue her for another unrelated crime? I think it depends on the evidence collected. If its a pile of illegal guns? Yes. Her own DNA? No.

See, the thing is, if she wasnt a victim of a serious crime, her DNA wouldnt be in the police database. And shouldnt be. (If it was collected from ancestry.com or whatever, that seems fine to me)

[–]Practical-Rip6471 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You are one devious manipulative and dishonest melon farmer.

[–]Practical-Rip6471 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

You are one devious manipulative and dishonest melon farmer.

[+]djb1983CanBoy -11 points-10 points-9 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Lol You might think that, because i sell apples.

[–]Practical-Rip6471 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Lol? How do I call you a dumb Mother F√cker, without calling you a dumb Mother F√cker?

[+]djb1983CanBoy -6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Good argument. I am well chastized, and cant respond with anything since you debunked all my ideas with solid shit.

[–]Practical-Rip6471 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

While you're at it, go interfere with yourself with a very large spiky agáve cactus!

[–]tenchineuro 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Your edit is terrible victim blaming. What if the crime that woman committed was prostitution?

In this case...

  • He did not identify the database, but said one woman was recently arrested for a felony property crime based on her DNA which was collected years ago during a domestic violence rape examination.

[+]djb1983CanBoy -10 points-9 points-8 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

« Domestic violence rape>> that she was a victim of. Lets further ruin her life because she was already a victim. You dont seem to understand ethical chain of evidence.

[–]tenchineuro 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

« Domestic violence rape>> that she was a victim of.

All we know is that she made a rape accusation. We don't know that she was raped.

Lets further ruin her life because she was already a victim.

We don't know that. And she's also a criminal.

[–]DirtyPartyMan 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Or……the other side of the coin…..discourage them from breaking the law?

[–]Kindly-Town 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

So it would prevent victims to report sexual assault because it would deter them from committing a future crime? Do they think SA victims are stupid or something? This article is treating them as future criminals.

[–]Cookiedoughjunkie 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

then maybe don't be a criminal..

[–]omegaphallic -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

You do realize what the police did was illegal right? They had no right to access her private medical files and DNA being at the scene of a crime is not enough to conclude guilt and there are many other ways for it to get there, without her presence.

[–]Cookiedoughjunkie 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Yeah yeah, and the only bad thing Al Capone did was tax evasion. Doesn't mean that you should be scared of this happening and getting arrested UNLESS you're a criminal. The article starts on how women are fearing being arrested if they come forward with rape accusations. Still shouldn't be committing crimes.

[–]omegaphallic -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Of course women should be committing serious crimes, but she hasn't been convicted yet, and the bigger issue is the crime Police committed. Feminists hijacking this issue, which has legitimate concerns when it comes to civil rights, to make it part of the feminism rape hysteria, doesn't change the important part.

[–]Cookiedoughjunkie 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Have you ever heard of accidentally tattling on yourself?

I'm not agreeing with the cops violating laws, I never said anything about that. It's a hard stance to defend having a cop disobey the law.

[–]omegaphallic 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This isn't tattling on yourself, this is something the cops had no business having access to in the first place, hence why the cops involved are themselves being investigated.

[–]Cookiedoughjunkie 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

they literally said they were afraid of being arrested... not that they didn't like the cops illegally invading their privacy.

that is quintessential tattling on yourself.

[–]omegaphallic 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Okay I get what your saying now, it's still fflawed however. You don't actually have to be guilty to be arrested.

[–]codemancode 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They aren't prosecuted anyway, so what are they worried about?

[–]5ilenceIsAssent 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because you should get away with a crime because you accused someone else of a crime.

[–]Vanriel 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

...they seem to be ignoring the fact that if these potential individuals don't do any criminal activities this wouldn't be a problem.

[–]UnconventionalXY 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's ironic a victim of a crime not wanting to incriminate themselves in a previous crime they have committed.

As suggested above, if you want to avail yourself of the justice system for crimes against yourself, don't commit crimes against other people, because Karma's a bitch.

[–]xdzgor 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds reasonable. Why not?

[–]MattyK414 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Today's victims are tomorrow's criminals, and vice versa.

[+]NewAccount294939499 -31 points-30 points-29 points 4 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

It makes sense that a person shouldn’t be disincentived for reporting rape.

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[+]KingKnotts -16 points-15 points-14 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes but how the government gets evidence very much matters on an ethical level. Any lawyer would tell you using evidence obtained on a way we want people to offer shouldn't be used like that.

It's similar to the whole the women lying about being raped should receive harsh sentences comes into... It sounds good in theory until you realize that women that lied are then incentivized to not admit to lying and more men would have their lives ruined.

[–]tenchineuro 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

It makes sense that a person shouldn’t be disincentived for reporting rape.

It's also obvious that a person should be disincentivized for falsely reporting rape.

Don't you agree?

[–]NewAccount294939499 -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Yes

I don’t see what that has to do with this but yes.

[–]tenchineuro 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I don’t see what that has to do with this but yes.

Well prosecutors normally don't prosecute false rape accusers for the exact same reason, they don't want to disincentivized women from reporting rape, whether the accusation is true or false.

So what we have here is women being incentivized to report rape, whether true or false. And you don't seem to have any issues with it.

[–]NewAccount294939499 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This story is about weither rape kits can be used to convict the person who used them of unrelated crimes. It’s entirely separate from false rape accusations and isn’t related to that at all.

[–]tenchineuro 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This story is about weither rape kits can be used to convict the person who used them of unrelated crimes

The rape kit is not being used to convict anyone. We don't even know if the DA will prosecute.

What the rape kit did in this case was put a name to the DNA evidence left at the crime scene. You know, when she committed a felony.

[–]KingKnotts -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They also don't prosecute them when they admit to lying because they don't want people afraid to admit to a lie out of fear of prison to lead to people staying in prison that shouldn't be.

On top of that nobody is encouraging women to report false rapes.

[–]tenchineuro 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They also don't prosecute them when they admit to lying because they don't want people afraid to admit to a lie out of fear of prison to lead to people staying in prison that shouldn't be.

Give me your stats for women recanting.

And let me be perfectly clear, a recantation does nothing to undo the damage, the man's life is still ruined. There is no false rape victims compensation, and in the UK they charge the innocent men they knowingly put in prison for the cost of imprisoning them.

So you don't care to fix the problem, you just want women to be safe to make false rape accusations.

On top of that nobody is encouraging women to report false rapes.

Utter bilge. The US and UK pay victim compensation, keep the woman anonymous, they limit the defense of the accused and refuse to prosecute even proven false rape accusations. They fucking pay women to make accusations and protect them.

One enterprising woman in the UK made saw a business opportunity and made 15 false rape accusations. The UK could care less about imprisoning innocent men, but it has budget problems and this was costing big time, so they finally put a halt to it.

  • https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8741509/fantasist-jailed-falsely-accusing-men-rape-appeal/
  • LIVING IN FANTASY Fantasist, 27, jailed for 10 years for falsely accusing 15 men of rape and sexual assault loses appeal against conviction

The UK did everything possible to enable this.

Last I heard one of the men so accused was still in prison.

[–]Strigon_7 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

How is this a disincentive? Unless you intend to commit crime you should have no fear of providing the rape kit which highlights your case, no?

[+]KingKnotts -8 points-7 points-6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

If you committed a crime and get raped you shouldn't be discouraged from coming forward out of fear of being arrested.

[–]Strigon_7 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Im not sure that i can agree with the angle you're pitching. It suggests that you should have a crime discounted if you are a victim of one. Not sure that tracks.

[–]KingKnotts 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No it doesn't at all. Evidence obtained from rape kits ethically should only be used for their intended purpose, to find the rapist. There is no argument for giving them a lesser punishment or anything if they are found through normal means being made and is is blatantly misrepresenting what was said to act like it is.

There is no ethical argument for discouraging people from coming forward about being raped because of something unrelated to the rape that involved them.

[+]NewAccount294939499 -18 points-17 points-16 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

If you’ve already committed a crime and then get raped afterwards then you’d be disincentivized from getting a rape kit if you thought it could get you convicted of the other crime.

[–]WhereProgressIsMade 26 points27 points28 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Nothing unique there. Criminals who haven’t been caught yet are disincentivized from reporting any crimes they suffer.

[+]KingKnotts -9 points-8 points-7 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No they are not, if you have no warrants in your name but robed a store 2 years ago. You will not be arrested for reporting someone robbing you.

[–]they_be_cray_z 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Criminals are generally disincentivized from going to the police for all sorts of crimes. Rape shouldn't be any different.

[–]KingKnotts -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That is a VERY fucked up and horrible take. NOBODY should be disincentivized from reporting to the police that they were the victim of a crime especially those that are victims of serious crimes.

[–]they_be_cray_z 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not a "take." It's a fact. A fact that criminals are disincentivized from reporting on their own victimization.

Your average drug pusher who sells meth and cocaine and has potentially murdered one of his hustlers for shorting them, for example, will not want to report to the police if their house has been burglarized by someone who came in, beat them up, and stole this and that. Do you think they want police walking through their house, sniffing around, and filing a police report? Of course they don't.

[–]elonsmusketer 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

ok congrats on defending criminals now you weirdos will do ANYTHING to be sexist

[–]Smokey9000 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok i must be fuckingg retarded, what happened?

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[–]aircoft 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I guess criminals will have a choice to make....

[–]SpareArm 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Itll only deter them if they are guilty of a crime lol so...

[–]ajomojo 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So, what they are saying is; that just like the religious, they are going to try to make sex into the most important deviancy, while completely ignoring all others

[–]BaconCatBug 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That equality must sting.

[–]Klutzy_Pride_5644[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

OMG. Woman treated like a criminal..... because she is a criminal. What is the world coming to?

[–]eks91 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What I see as way bigger issue that has been hushed away. Is all newborns in California DNA is collected without consent in a database. But this rape kit this so much bigger. Ha haha

https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2020/12/07/newborn-dna-california-consent-gsk-killer/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/california-biobank-dna-babies-who-has-access/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sacramento.cbslocal.com/2022/02/16/california-biobank-dna-privacy-concerns/%3famp

https://www.latimes.com/local/politics/la-me-pol-dna-privacy-20150202-story.html

https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2015/11/12/california-collects-owns-and-sells-infants-dna-samples/

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