CMV: FDS and Red Pill want the other sex to be traditional while they are unbound

Gonna_Die_In_War · 2022-03-02T22:28:51+00:00

fds and <insert>pills are not the problem. these are the symptom of actual problem in modern world dating.

years ago people didnt have this many options, this is called choice overload in psychology. choice overload caused these issues.

People have way too many options so they want more and more from next partner they meet. A guy fucks 5 girls at the same time but still wants a traditional wife or a girl with big N count still wants traditional man to marry her.

im traditional. I am willing to do my part but I want the girl im going to marry to do her roles as well but most girls are not traditional at all which doesnt help the situation either. If women dont put boundaries on men then most men wont act decently same can be said vice versa.

IcarusKiki · 2022-03-02T21:44:18+00:00

Isn’t that the goal? To have your cake and eat it too? That’s why its sexual STRATEGY and not r/AmITheAsshole

catchtowards12345 · 2022-03-02T18:08:17+00:00

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KirthWGersen · 2022-03-02T18:07:52+00:00

There are hypocrites everywhere, but your argument is a straw man at best.

What you are describing with regard to TRP is people using red pill ideas to achieve blue pill goals. They can't. And they sound dumb when they do it.

Stevefr0mYellowstone · 2022-03-02T22:48:46+00:00

The foundational mistake you are making with respect to the Red Pill is that you're thinking men have to be the same thing as what they are looking for and that attraction going both ways between the sexes is looking for the same thing. They're not. A woman having a low body count or even being a virgin makes her more attractive to a man. That same woman, unless she's really religious (which is hardly anyone these days of that age, at least in the west), is repulsed by the man with the low body count or who is, god forbid, a virgin.

Regarding the Red Pill take that Red Pill men want conservative women but don't want to get married or have a family, you have to remember that is in reaction to society making marriage so dangerous for men and the great benefits that a woman gets from it, regardless of whether she's conservative or progressive. The risks are still there for the guy. And as women tend to be more progressive than men and overwhelmingly choose to divorce men over the other way around, the Red Pill has to be extra cautious about it. This does mean that you are going to have Red Pillers who don't want to get married to the conservative woman, even if she is in fact a low risk to ever divorce him. Because the risk is so great. And women who seemed perfect at the time they married the guy but become horrible in the years afterwards has happened as well.

The last thing I'd say is that Red Pilled men would probably still view a conservative women versus a promiscious woman differently. The latter being viewed as good only for sex, not a relationship, versus the other being far more qualified and better for a relationship. Men know that most of the plate spinning, racking up a notch count, etc... is coming from the latter type of woman. The math simply doesn't work otherwise. The Red Pilled guy who is looking for tons of casual sex isn't wasting his time chasing the conservative woman who would make him wait 20 dates or more to sleep with him.

I'd agree that FDS are hypocritical.

Pola_Lita · 2022-03-02T18:15:39+00:00

Meanwhile FDS women reject traditional obligations for Women such has having domestic skills and being good with kids and not sleeping around.

I'm not that familiar with FDS but aren't they just against doing domestic and childcare chores for non-committed men? Aren't they 100% against casual sex?

WilliamWyattD · 2022-03-03T01:22:42+00:00

FDS is a more unified ideology than TRP IMO. So it is hard to really characterize 'what TRP thinks' on many issues.

That said, my best attempt at what TRP thinks on this would be thus:

TRP recognizes that technology has changed the environment such that we cannot go back to traditional practices entirely, even if we wanted to. However, what TRP is looking for now is a true 50/50 partnership between men and women that does not so run afoul of biological instincts as to doom it, i.e. if men could be more vulnerable and this wouldn't turn women off, TRP would consider laying down some of this aspect of the male burden of performance.

So TRP is looking for men and women to pair up in a way that is 'fair' in terms of the expectations from each partner, and the effort they put in. Also, while TRP recognizes that female hypergamy is a biological reality, there needs to be some limit to it. If 60th percentile men match with 50th percentile women, leaving a portion of unfuckable, forever alone men at the bottom of the male tier, OK. Seems like a fair trade off for women getting pregnant (by today's cost).

But if it is 40th percentile women with 70th percentile guys, that is going too far. Furthermore, any gender compact where even average women are having lots of sex with higher value guys during their 20s, while average men get very little, only for pairing to happen in the 30s, is fundamentally unbalanced.

Generally, a lot of TRP thinkers either avoid the issue of what 'should be', focusing on how to deal with what is. But when engaged on what 'should be', they are looking for some sort of socialization system that creates an overall balance between the genders in terms of social expectations and sexual success.

UEMcGill · 2022-03-03T12:57:49+00:00

I regularly have to remind Redpill dudes of this and it's often lost in the argument.

Rule Zero is paramount. Rule zero is get the sex you want.

If you want to bang strippers and spin plates so be it. If you want a traditional first officer and kids so be it. But always Rule Zero.

The rest? It's about nuances and outcomes. Don't be surprised if you bang strippers and wakeup robbed and broke. If you marry that tradcon girl and get fat and lazy don't be surprised when she looses attraction instead of accepting you for who you are.

KGmagic52 · 2022-03-02T19:00:39+00:00

No. RP wants traditional roles. FDS wants all the benefits of being masculine and feminine for themselves.

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tempaccc2022 · 2022-03-02T22:20:34+00:00

The list from that archive seems solid ngl

LatterSeaworthiness4 · 2022-03-03T15:03:19+00:00

I noticed a lot of FDS women actually don’t want to be SAHM. They basically say that it’s a bad move because men aren’t shit and will leave you or “force” you to divorce them so you’ll need your career to fall back on. This is obviously non traditional though.

Robotemist · 2022-03-02T21:46:47+00:00

There is nothing traditional about TRP or its goals. This is an example of creating a strawman. I don't know how many times I have to say this, TRP is about men achieving whatever goal they want by appealing to their true nature. It has nothing to do with specific outcomes.

Emergency-Regret6974 · 2022-03-03T00:59:14+00:00

FDS is just reacting to how men think and act.

For example, men don't respect women who have sex too easily. So, FDS responds by saying "don't have sex too early."

Another example, men don't actually like being pursued. They find it emasculating. So FDS tells women that "if he wanted to, he would" and cautions women from pushing too much for attention and commitment.

If the only thing that's traditional is men paying for dates, that's not a very thorough understanding of FDS.

FDS is not traditional, it's responsive.

catchtowards12345 · 2022-03-02T20:19:09+00:00

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2022-03-02T17:49:05+00:00

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Title	CMV: FDS and Red Pill want the other sex to be traditional while they are unbound
Author	NOuvelleBlonder
Upvotes	44
Comments	81
Date	March 2, 2022 5:46 PM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
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