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She had a Bad date - the guy refused to tell her what he did for a living or how much he made. If only he assured her he would sponsor her.

NeoNotNeo

July 13, 2022
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Title She had a Bad date - the guy refused to tell her what he did for a living or how much he made. If only he assured her he would sponsor her.
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NeoNotNeo

Upvotes 256
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Date July 13, 2022 1:44 AM UTC
(4 years ago)
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Comments

[–]Laytheblameonluck 208 points209 points210 points 4 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

Says shes only going to swipe right on men who put their jobs in their profile.

Dating Apps have become a disaster.

[–]sherlocked33 96 points97 points98 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

And the next day she'll post on Reddit making fun of a guy who has written his job on his dating profile as egoistic or thinking that he "deserves" pussy because he has a high paying job.

[–]MyBlades 26 points27 points28 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Look at this broke ass scrub who thinks he deserves women when he works at McDonalds, lmao what a loser" - woman who works at Walmart

[–]throwawaygoodvibess 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

EXACTLY.

Or they’ll weed out men with bad jobs. Sooo… you’re basically a gold digger right? Cause… you’ll only pick people with good jobs?

[–]Isair81 60 points61 points62 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thereby further limiting her dating pool. This on top of all the other requirements regarding height, physical appearance, clothes etc

[–]WhereProgressIsMade 23 points24 points25 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I remember someone telling a story of a guy explaining to a woman that guys with money tend to hide it because they want someone who wants them for more than that. The guys peacocking usually are actually close to broke and are only doing it to try to attract women long enough for a fling. For most of the women, they didn’t get it but a couple had the lightbulb go on.

[–]Bitter-Sock514 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

This is why I don’t talk about my career and income on OLD profiles. I try to make myself look as normal and frugal as possible. I understand that employment is important. I want to have a stable home as well, but I want to meet someone who is more interested in my ideas and character.

[–]ThrowAway640KB 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I have a friend like this as well. Made literal hundreds of millions due to a fortunate sequence of events during the dot-com bubble and bust, and thanks to savvy investments is currently just shy of the Billion mark. Lives in an old house that barely cracks 2,000ft², has a decent vegetable garden, drives a late-80s VW Jetta. The guy looks like some working-class blue-collar schlub, and wouldn’t have it any other way.

In fact, when he became widowed some time back, he made an honest attempt to “climb back onto the playing field of relationships”. It did not go well, to vastly understate it. suffice it to say, he’s permanently single now, and loving it.

[–]Bitter-Sock514 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

What about it went so poorly? His prospects eventually found out about the goldmine and switched up? I am by no means a millionaire, actually more along the blue collar lines. But I do feel like my career is quite lucrative and even “interesting” compared to the competition. At least that’s how it appears when I talk to my peers and look at the other males profiles on OLD.

[–]ThrowAway640KB 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

AFAIK, he initially didn’t hide anything at the start. He was transparent on what he had and what he was making (he still works because he likes what he does). But that attracted all sorts of gold diggers who were very obviously obsessed with his wealth. And even when he started hiding his assets, he noticed a sudden change in attitude for the worse; like he suddenly had to prove his worth in order to even be considered. Many times he was just straight-up ignored or treated like the dirt under their shoes. It was very eye-opening for him.

I think what also made the gold diggers even more prominent was the friends he “inherited” from his late wife (she worked in a job where she hobnobbed with the wealthy to get donations), who were mostly among the stupidly wealthy. Like, the kind of wealthy where an average person’s lifetime earnings was the spare change jingling around at the bottom of their pockets. The kind of wealth where a few million is a rounding error to their accountants. These people already attracted lots of gold-digging women, who naturally “took an interest” in any single man running in that group.

There were a few decent women where things could have gone further had it not been for intractable issues completely beyond their personality (apparently religion reared its head surprisingly often, with his atheism being a significant blocker), but some of the largest personality issues he ran into involved or were related to attitude. As in, an excess of it and a severe deficit of humility and reasonability. He was also hobbled by trying to stay above the half-plus-seven limit (he was close to 40 when he began dating again), which also excluded a candidate or three that could have been something more.

Still, he has had a wonderful life with a woman who loved him greatly, and he’s now perfectly happy having gone MGTOW (ironically, he only learned of that philosophy a few years after choosing that path).

[–]r2o_abile 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Are you your friend?...

[–]ThrowAway640KB 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Are you your friend?...

My wife is still very much alive, thanks. Not a widower, and I hope not to be one for several decades to come.

[–]r2o_abile 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I am generally completely against men paying for sex....unless they are stupendously rich.

[–]May097 34 points35 points36 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They always were.

[–]jmcsquared 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Based

[–]Ahielia[🍰] 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a good way for men to avoid golddiggers though.

[–]throwawaygoodvibess 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lmfaooo they’re so dumb 🤣🤣 they complain about not being able to find men yet they do stupid stuff like this smh

Maybe try to understand whyyy men are being cautious of gold diggers, Jesus Christ. Not everything is always about you. Have some self awareness and empathy and understanding for the other side smgdh

[–]Valacycloveer1080 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I pray something happens and the apps get banned soon. They have shattered the dating market tipping the scales in one side by a huge margin. The old school cold approach was the best.

[–]obunga_lives 155 points156 points157 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

"omg I'm scared I'd have to pay for a date!!" "Im no gold digger" Jesus H Christ

[–]TheBowlofBeans 79 points80 points81 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Could you imagine that? Having to pay for the entire date?

[–]jmcsquared 34 points35 points36 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This is why I always made it a point to either not call outings with my wife "dates," or to make sure they were cheap adventures that would be fun and not pocket-draining.

The idea that a "date" should be an expensive endeavor, and not simply a fun day with your sexy friend, is the problem. Society has bought the lie that price = worth.

[–]Mother-Key582 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I’ve been with my love for about a year now. Our date nights (if we actually go out somewhere) have been places like the Chinese buffet. And it’s perfect. Reasonably priced and good food. On my birthday, I wanted to go to lunch at this local pizza chain with amazing pizza. I didn’t expect a fancy shmancy expensive brunch with mimosas and European gourmet dishes. And it was one of the best birthdays I’ve had in a very long time. It was just the 2 of us going on a little adventure.

We did go to a fancy restaurant once, but it was to celebrate a friend’s birthday. If we go fancy, it’s at the house. We’ll buy steaks and pop open some wine. I’m SO glad we aren’t that couple that has to go to expensive restaurants for every single occasion and then brag about it on social media. Yeah, my love makes double the money I make, but he also pays twice as much as I do in monthly bills. He doesn’t just sit around on a huge pile of money, fanning himself.

[–]obiwanjablowme -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I stopped at Chinese buffet = good food. More like clearing out for that colonoscopy… heyoooo

[–]SteveorJimmyorJack 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You´ve got a point!!!

[–]SantiagoGT 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m gonna quote “This paranoid men’s rights beliefs”

[–]MyBlades 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Imagine having to pay both for your and your date's dinner, that's so fucked up.

[–]hmmmletmethinkboutit 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is why Jesus changed his middle name to fucking

[–][deleted] 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

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[–]boomboxspence 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

What if you are lonely

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[–]boomboxspence 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for the advice

[–]Dan-Man 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Funnily enough, this is the sentiment that they are echoing over there too.

[–]throwawaygoodvibess 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

THISSSSS 📢📢

[–][deleted] 100 points101 points102 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Basically calling me a gold digger to my face

No he didn't. He just didn't want to take the chance. Imagine you have a bowl of M&M's, and 3 of them are poisoned. Would you take one?

[–]sherlocked33 40 points41 points42 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is exactly the logic women give for "Yes all men". Not that I have a problem with that but I fail to understand how they don't get it.

[–]mikesteane 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If all three of them were genuine M&Ms I still wouldn't take one. But that's kind of missing the point.

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[–][deleted] 29 points30 points31 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think it's smart to blindly trust people you meet, no matter what gender.

You don't have to be paranoid or rude, but it's wise to be careful. For example, I wouldn't go on a first date where I'm paying for an expensive dinner, and then risk getting rejected after the bill has been paid.

No trust, no stake.

[–]SweatyAdvance 58 points59 points60 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

beliefs about women dating men for their money blah blah blah.

and

if I was going to be left paying for our entire meal!

Oh the irony.

[–]taafbawl 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes whenever I am having dinner while looking to connect with someone I also start thinking about whether I am gonna have to pay.

[–]velvetpurr 111 points112 points113 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Asking how much he makes is weird. Asking what he does for a living is fine.

[–]TheStumblingWolf 64 points65 points66 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

The intense focus she had on it certainly is. She was acting like he was being an asshole for not wanting to talk about it. Some people just have things they don't wanna talk about. Looks like his not wanting to talk about it helped him dodge a bullet.

[–]SteveorJimmyorJack 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I did the same, and every guy should.

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[–]TheStumblingWolf 32 points33 points34 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Maybe he has bad experiences that has caused him to change his behavior?

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[–]TheStumblingWolf 21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Everyone's damaged. An alternate way to handle it is to have some empathy and ask what experiences he's had. And he could explain the situation and be open about it. There are many ways to handle things.

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[–]TheStumblingWolf 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not necessarily. You can talk about things without doing anything about them. It's called a conversation. I've done it plenty of times.

[–]OldEgalitarianMRA 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

#believeallwomen /s

[–]IceCorrect 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If women went to 100 dates he have picture what type of occupation make income, so its same bs, like I ask you in person whats your BMI, which should be fine, while asking for your weight is not?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Asking what he does for a living is fine.

Which.... is the same thing as asking how much somebody makes. Just with extra steps...

eg What do you do? Oh? Who for? How long have you been doing that?

Some times Later -> glass door salary reviews / job openings with salarys listed.....

Now... How many times have you been played because your naive?

[–]barndoor101 37 points38 points39 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's twoX, what do you expect. Those replies though :D

[–]dw87190 74 points75 points76 points 4 years ago (27 children) | Copy Link

Justified. Only women are to blame for men assuming women are gold diggers, if she can't prove she isn't a gold digger, she doesn't have a leg to stand on. Also, to post about it in a misandrist sub like TwoX, is a valid reason to think she's a gold digger. Women expect men to be employed to consider him for dates/relationships, yet expect to men to date and financially support unemployed women, a form of hypocrisy that further validates the "a woman is gold digger until proven otherwise" mentality. All men have the right to be hypervigilant

[+]bunniesaresweet -50 points-49 points-48 points 4 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link

Your career is a big part of your life. It’s where you spend the majority of the your day most days of the week. Knowing someone’s job often gives insight to their personality and goals. She didn’t ask how much money he made, just what he did for work. It seems a natural thing to ask on a date, especially when they had been talking weeks prior and she had just finished talking in depth about her own job.

I would be really turned off if my date made a comment like that if I asked. Either his job is shady, he’s insecure about his job, or he’s suggesting that I’m a gold digger which is very insulting

You honestly wouldn’t be turned off if your date said that to you?

[–]May097 41 points42 points43 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

So wait, women being vary of every man because they can be a rapist is good sense, but a man being careful of a stranger being a potential gold digger is ridiculous.

Nice double standard.

[–]MyBlades 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

But gold diggers are bad people. Women can't be bad so they can't be gold diggers. Implying that women have the capacity and agency to be bad people is misogynistic slander against all womenkind. Men are naturally evil and violent so women are right to be wary. That's how it works and don't ever question it or imply otherwise.

[–]May097 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't know if this is sarcasm.

Welcome to reddit everyone 🤣

[–]asdfman2000 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's clearly sarcasm.

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points38 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe he has a job where somebody would immediately know the ballpark salary he gets.

he’s suggesting that I’m a gold digger which is very insulting

No, he would be suggesting that some women are gold diggers, and he doesn't know you well enough to determine. Both are factually true.

But I agree he could have handled it better. If he has a poor job, just tell her, and if she's a gold digger, she'll end it. If he's got a good job, and she's a gold digger, that will become obvious soon enough.

[–]Colby_Dickbutt_2020 43 points44 points45 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Promiscuity is a direct indicator of future fidelity. Do you think it would be appropriate to ask a woman on the first date what her body count is? It often gives insight to their personality and goals. He wouldn't be asking with whom she has slept with, just how many individuals in total. Seems natural to me...

[+]bunniesaresweet -26 points-25 points-24 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Lol clearly asking about someone’s work is very different from asking someone’s body count. One is universally considered a much more private question.

It’s comments like these which make women not take this subreddit seriously. This whole thread is so telling

[–]IceCorrect 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Then I would use logic feminist use: "sex work is real work", then sex its nothing else than handshake.

[–]Colby_Dickbutt_2020 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

While it may be a more universally accepted question, he set a personal boundary which she clearly didn't respect. That's a red flag for an abuser. What happened to respecting personal boundaries?

[–]bunniesaresweet -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Lmao yes asking why your date why they don’t want to share what they do for work is abuse….completely ridiculous

[–]Colby_Dickbutt_2020 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

"No" means "No." Why is this so hard for some people to understand? It doesn't matter if the topic was if the sky is blue, the color pink, or their experiences with SA! If someone sets a personal boundary and it is ignored, it is disrespectful and a red flag of possible further abuse. The only way that this doesn't make sense is if you do not view the man as a human being worthy of dignity.

[–]bunniesaresweet 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No means no and she respected that. It’s reasonable to inquire why someone says no to answering a simple question. And if someone has this ridiculous “boundaries”, it’s ok for the other person to not want to pursue a relationship. You can’t have it both ways. You have these ridiculous expectations for women, but then get upset when they don’t want to pursue a relationship with you

[–]Colby_Dickbutt_2020 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I pushed him on it, he was uncomfortable but I felt like I needed to get to the bottom of this 'policy' he has.

She did not respect him at all. Are you literate?

It’s reasonable to inquire why someone says no to answering a simple question.

No it is not. You personally don't understand what boundaries are.

And if someone has this ridiculous “boundaries”

Again, it is rude to judge what someone's personal boundaries are without understanding their reasoning for it. I have no problem with reptiles and don't understand why some people are afraid of snakes. This makes anyone with Ophidiophobia have ridiculous boundaries from my perspective. You are not omniscient nor holier than anyone else, princess.

it’s ok for the other person to not want to pursue a relationship

For any reason at anytime to include being a gold-digger

You can’t have it both ways.

Here comes the Strawman

You have these ridiculous expectations for women, but then get upset when they don’t want to pursue a relationship with you

There it is! When have I ever indicated that I am looking?

[–]Colby_Dickbutt_2020 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Furthermore, I would ask that you question why one is more socially acceptable than the other. I would argue that both questions are biologically driven: Men have a biologically driven incentive to guarantee that they are raising their own children while Women have a biologically driven incentive to guarantee that they and their children can be provided for. It would seem that society has prioritized Women's biological concerns over Men's. This would indicate that Women have more soft-power over non-codified rules in society than Men. This would indicate the absence of any patriarchy...

[–]bunniesaresweet 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

No I ask my dates what their jobs are to get to know them. And also see if they’re responsible driven people with goals. I am not looking for financial support. I am more then capable enough of taking care myself.

This “biologically driven” is horseshit. Just an excuse to be an asshole. It’s far more invasive to ask about someone’s job than sexual partners. One is considered an appropriate question to ask a relative and one isn’t

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[–]asdfman2000 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I imagine a partner's "body count" is at least as important to men as the man's career is to women.

You're right that only one is socially acceptable to ask about, but that doesn't mean it's not an important factor.

[–]Colby_Dickbutt_2020 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No I ask my dates what their jobs are to get to know them. And also see if they’re responsible driven people with goals

I would argue that a person's body count would also indicate if they are a responsible, driven person with goals as well as indicating what those goals may be.

I am more then capable enough of taking care myself

But you may not be if time off for children is a personal goal of yours.

This “biologically driven” is horseshit. Just an excuse to be an asshole.

Please explain that biology is an excuse to be an asshole to the Spanish government which just initiated paid time off for menstruation. Millions of years of evolution guided by biology don't give a fuck about social developments in the last century.

It’s far more invasive to ask about someone’s job than sexual partners.

A question is a question. Social status quo dictates if that question is acceptable or if it is invasive. I have not argued that asking a person's body count is less invasive than their occupation. I have simply questioned why and provided a hypothesis. It would seem that women dictate the social status quo and are protecting their own interests while vilifying men's interest. Unless you are able to produce a counterargument more robust than, "Just an excuse to be an asshole," I find that argument sound, but am open to listen and change my mind.

[–]tenchineuro 28 points29 points30 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So what if a man asked a woman the same question on a date?

For some reason women expect their date to be 6" tall, but if he asks how much she weighs that's a big problem.

[+]bunniesaresweet -19 points-18 points-17 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think it’s normal for men to ask a women what she does for work. It’s good to get to know your date, that’s the whole point.

Not sure what height or weight have anything to do with talking about jobs. But I think both men and women can have weight and height preferences

[+]leoawesom -24 points-23 points-22 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Kind of a weird strawman you made there. Does it come with wings? If you really wanna believe all women would be scared of answering what their job/career is than I assure you, you are most definitely wrong. You can disagree with this persons point of view, but lets not try to discredit everyone who comes with an opposing point of view.

[–]MyBlades 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She didn’t ask how much money he made, just what he did for work

And there is no correlation between the two.

[–]FakeLordFarquaad 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Alternate explanation: I don't talk about my work much because I fucking hate my job and I don't wanna ruin a perfectly good conversation

[+]Ferbuggity -13 points-12 points-11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ohai, voice of reason.

[–]hmmmletmethinkboutit -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She can’t prove she’s not. You can’t prove a negative, she can only prove she is.

[–]Greg_W_Allan 39 points40 points41 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I've been in government jobs I wasn't allowed to talk about even to my partner.

[–]MyBlades 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My first thought was that he is either low-key rich and vetting potential girlfriends or straight up not allowed to say what he's doing.

[–]syro23 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No you haven’t Greg.

[–]xdsagecat 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Do u have proof syro23?

[–]RedSvalin 23 points24 points25 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

She where the one pushing him to say why instead of respecting his limits and then gets angry when she gets an answer.

I am quite willing to bet she is in fact a gold digger and offended that men takes reasonable measures against it.

[–]OldEgalitarianMRA 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I only date women with good jobs and who intend to keep working after marriage. A small of women.

[–]syro23 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is good advice, I was married to a woman who made good money (more than me) and now she pays me alimony and child support.

[–]OldEgalitarianMRA 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My job definitely indicated my income. Once a women knew my job and she was single she wanted to date me. Gold diggers. I knew it once I got into professional school. Now I'm quite happy being a bachelor.

[–]LELO_TV 22 points23 points24 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

"I asked a guy what his income was but he refused to tell me because he doesn't want girls to date for his income."

How could he? [surprisedpikachu.jpg]

She just proved his point.

[+]pumpkinpeopleunite -6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

No, she didn't ask what his income was, she asked what his job was, which is a pretty standard question when getting to know someone, he got all weird and evasive. Sounds like you're finding a reason to be mad at her when there really isn't one.

[–]LELO_TV 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You can still guess someone's average income by his/her job.

The girl felt entitled to know because she told him what she does for a living, if you want to share your info doesn't mean everyone has to

[–]pumpkinpeopleunite -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You can still guess someone's average income by his/her job

Sure. You can also guess a lot of other things about people based on the things they tell you. Isn't the point of dating getting to know someone to see if you're compatible? Refusing to tell someone your job is ridiculous.

[–]LELO_TV 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not ridiculous, everyone is entitled to choose what personal informations to share, it's called privacy.

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However, it's kinda curious how many women would find more "compatibility" towards someone who earns a higher income/better job.

[–]SteveorJimmyorJack 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So typical... women must understand that if they start asking how much we earn, how are we supposed to know if they actually like us for who we are?

[+]pumpkinpeopleunite -7 points-6 points-5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The woman in this post didn't ask the man how much he earns.

[–]McRib_is_Back_Baby 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Even if she didn’t ask what he earned directly, it could be interpreted or implied by the male date especially when she persistently pried at a topic that he didn’t feel like disclosing.

[–]McFeely_Smackup 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Brag about how much money you make - Toxic Masculinity

Be open and honest that you're not comfortable discussing money on a first date - Toxic Masculity

these women are going to end up never getting a second date

[–]pumpkinpeopleunite -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Again, as you're another one who obviously didn't read the post properly, she didn't ask him how much money he makes, she asked him what he does for a living which is a reasonable question that's asked of people all the time in all kinds of settings

[–]generaldoodle 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And it should be reasonable to set boundaries to not wanting to discuss some topic on first date. Just imagine situation when women don't want to discuss something, probably due to bad experience or out of fear and then guy repeatedly push for this topic again and again ignoring that she openly stated that she isn't comfortable about it, how you and most people will react to this?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Read it and all I got was "I deserve to know what I want to know, when I want to know and how I want to know it, just because I want to". No one owes her anything. Especially, on a date. Privacy IS an equal right.

No wonder she's still single. LOL

[–]EfraimK 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Look at how popular the post is. A major problem is that, whatever the kind, there are lots of people who support bigotry. Add in institutional support for bigotry and it becomes socially acceptable. Humans.

[–]skllyskullstyle 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You know whats funny and strange? Women amd misandrist like her constantly and unintentionally give themselves away. Or give away their position by telling on themselves. Yet they are still are free and living life on easy mode never being held accountable. Privlage at it's core.

[–]JackeTuffTuff 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A bit weird but he clearly was just causious and intended to tell her later but I also understand her but O think she took it too personal

[–]StarDawg36 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Is it fine to ask how many guys she’s slept with?

[–]MyBlades 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When women treat you like a potential threat it's not personal and you need to understand that the world doesn't revolve around you, but when a guy takes precautions to protect himself he is insulting that poor woman to her face. And is also probably a bad person. lmao

[–]PotentialSecond68 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

1st dates should be simple, a cup of coffee or a drink. That way if the date sucks you've only wasted a few moments of your time and minimal cost. If the date is good then you can continue it somewhere

[–]japhero1 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think this is bad take considering the context that she was talking about her job i mean in the end lets be honest being financially secure is part of a long term relationship i mean if i was gona date someone i wouldn't want to date someone where their reliant on me for their income and i think its ok to talk about your job maybe she was Wrong for doing it on her first date but its still part of a good relationship.

[–]generaldoodle 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think she was wrong about pushing his boundaries and this topic ignoring that he feels uncomfortable about it. It is quite ironical how such people blame others for low empathy toward them, yet fail to do this even in the slightest themselves.

[–]dpv20 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

the guy did it wrong tbh, he should just pretend a generic run of the mile job in the same area he actually work

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but yeah the girl was a bitch she ask for it and complain about it

[–]gil-galad5150 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If your male dating apps are a waste of time anyway

[–]rsa1x 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The funny part is she is criticizing him for a supposed belief that women date for the dude's money. Well, if women didn't do that, she might have been right.

[–]Imdefender 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I can see both sides of this..
I have always asked about what jobs my date does.

[–]generaldoodle 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Did you pushed them about it 3 times per date if they said that they don't want to discuss this?

[–]Canadian-female 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I think you’re all reading this the wrong way. She’s not saying she wanted to find out if he had enough money to make it worth dating him. Geez! Her problem is that he obviously has some issues with women . Why would anyone want to date someone when they know the person has a suspicious,untrusting attitude right from the start? For sure, that guy’s the jealous type. I wouldn’t date him either and it would have nothing to do with his money.

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[–]Canadian-female 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Where did I say that?

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[–]Canadian-female 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t know who here denied that or why you’re mad at me about it.

[–]RavynArcadia 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I commented that he dodged a bullet. I wonder how long til I’m banned from there.

[–]WhereProgressIsMade 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bullet dodged.

I had a policy of only cheap or free dates the first two months and dodged questions about my job or income. The goal was that any gold diggers would break up with me.

[–]Couch_Philosopher 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think this is actually pretty fair on her part. It is weird to not tell someone what you do for a living, especially on a date. Needing to know exactly how much he makes is way too much, but refusing pretty basic small-talk is enough of a reason to be turned off. Requiring it in people's profiles is a bit silly, but if this "not talking about jobs" thing becomes normal I would understand it for efficiency purposes.

[–]McSkittlefarts 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

more than 5 years ago no woman ever asked how much I make, in the past 5, it has been about 50%. And I got to the point when they would ask, I would give them my monthly instead of yearly.

[–]jadedlonewolf89 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was raised not to talk about work, religion, or politics at the dinner table.

[–]NarutoBoy87 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Says about him and his life? But needs to know how much money he makes.. What else would anyone call her than a gold digger...

[+]apmartin1991 -7 points-6 points-5 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

She didn't even ask how much he made. She just wanted to know his job.

There's nothing wrong with that. He asked her what job she had. Why can he ask that and she can't ask him?

This post is making an issue out of something that isn't an issue.

[–]Smitty1017 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Unless telling her that gives it away that he has a lot of money. Men want women who want them for them, not their cash. If I was single I would be pretty quiet about my income at first. My job specifics too since that would probably give a good hint.

[–]DavidByron2 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Why can't she ask

She did ask.

The question is why can't he refuse to tell her?

[–]pumpkinpeopleunite 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

He did refuse.

[–]DavidByron2 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

And then the date was derailed by her badgering him. So in effect he couldn't refuse.

[–]pumpkinpeopleunite 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

But he did refuse. She never found out what he does for a living. And to be fair, the date was derailed as soon as he refused to answer a basic question that's asked of people on a regular basis in all types of social and professional settings, making her suspicious about why he was acting so weird

[–]DavidByron2 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

the date was derailed as soon as he refused to answer a basic question

So basically you're saying a woman has the right to interrogate a male. That's sexist.

[–]pumpkinpeopleunite 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That is not what I'm saying and you know it. You're doing your usual of twisting my words and pretending I said something I didn't so you can be outraged at women in general. You haven't called me a nazi yet though, that's new 😂

[–]marks1995 -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

She asks what he does for work, not how much he makes. That is a completely legitimate question.

It's a huge part of a person's life. How many of you would feel the same if a woman refused to disclose her line of work? And then after a few months, you find out she is a sex worker.

The guy was being a douche.

[–]DavidByron2 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

It's more like asking a woman if her breasts are real or fake, how big are they and does she have sex on the first date -- on the first date.

[–]marks1995 -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

No, it's nothing like that at all.

There are jobs that would be 100% deal breakers for both sexes. Knowing what some guy does for the majority of his waking hours is absolutely a legitimate question.

This is why men's rights get laughed at. There are plenty of legitimate issues to be addressed and when you guys try and turn something completely normal into a sexist issue, it minimizes the real issues.

[–]DavidByron2 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

a legitimate question

Again she did ask the question. Nobody has said that just asking him was wrong.

The question is about what happened next. Whether refusing to answer is legitimate. She said he had to answer her. She badgered him about it even though she herself said he was clearly uncomfortable about it.

This is why men's rights get laughed at.

Oh you're just a stupid asshole, huh? That might be a part of our communication problem here. Try to bring your brain next time.

[–]marks1995 -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Let's start with your second comment...you think our rights are taken seriously? That's the entire reason this sub exists.

Now back to the other comment, so what if she kept asking? I would too. He was free to leave. Or continue to not answer, but the guy was a douche with his entire approach to this. At that point, I have no issue with her probing.

[–]DavidByron2 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

so what if she kept asking?

It's rude to badger someone for their personal information.


Let's start with your second comment

Oh I see what you meant. I apologize.

[–]marks1995 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

It is rude to badger someone.

But I think his response was pretty rude as well. He did basically tell her he thinks women are gold diggers.

My issue is that even if she had just ended the date, most on here would still feel the same about her. I don't think the issue is the badgering, I think it is the fact that she wants to know and would actually make it a deal breaker. And 90% of people are going to agree that your job is going to matter to a partner. And not just for income purposes.

[–]DavidByron2 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I think his response was pretty rude

Well I don't really care. Maybe it was and maybe it wasn't. We don't even know what he said but the woman who's telling the story said she had to drag it out of him, so again, that's on her. From what she says she looks worse and we don't even have his side at all.

I don't think the issue is the badgering, I think it is the fact that she wants to know and would actually make it a deal breaker.

So you're saying she is a gold digger. I don't know if there's enough evidence for that conclusion but she was clearly rude and badgering.

[–]marks1995 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm not saying she is a gold digger.

Reasons jobs might matter:

Doesn't want a military spouse

Doesn't want someone that works offshore or is absent for weeks at a time

Doesn't want someone who works nights

Doesn't want someone who works for an opposing political party

Doesn't want someone who works for an abortion provider

Doesn't want someone who is "on call"

I can go on and on. There are a shit ton of reasons someone's job would matter to a partner.

Back to your first point though, how is someone badgering someone in any way a men's rights issue? Maybe a dating or relationship issue, but it has nothing to do with men's rights.

[–]DavidByron2 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Well she didn't mention any of that but she did mention she didn't want a guy who was going to leave her paying the bill so.....

how is someone badgering someone

Well since it's a bunch of women (and you) saying it's OK badger a guy, it's an example of sexism.

[–]denyjunctionfunction 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s a 5 second search to get the average pay in a given area for an occupation. It’s not that much of a stretch. Could he have handled it better? Probably. Should he have to? No. She and the rest of the cackling he’s of TwoX could just write it off as a bad date they aren’t interested in if it’s such an issue. Instead they just call him names and refuse to consider why he actually acted that way.

[–]marks1995 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Stop the mental gymanstics trying to make this guy look like some hero.

Anyone who says they don't want to tell you what they do for a living on a first date because you might be a gold digger is a douche of the highest order and shouldn't be dating. It would be like the woman showing up to all of her dates in one of those "fat suits" because she is worried guys only want her for her body. (I would make fun of the woman in that scenario as well)

Think about what you are saying here. You are justifying his assumption that all women are gold diggers until he determines otherwise. Flip the genders and you will have one of the most common arguments on this sub. That people are judging all men based on some men.

[+]Ferbuggity -17 points-16 points-15 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Nah you're pushing it with this one I think. Is this really the best thing you could find to drag over here? '

The guy was acting douchey and pretty abnormal on a first date, she didn't keep seeing him. Big deal.

I just think there's bigger better things to be upset about.

[–]McRib_is_Back_Baby 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

How is not wanting to disclose something considered Douchey? If he doesn’t want to talk about his job regardless of the reason, he should not have to be poked and prodded at

[–]Ferbuggity -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Because it's weird and socially awkward. People who go on successful dates make small talk and artfully dodge issues they don't want to discuss, they don't refuse to say something to make a political point

tbh, the woman seems a bit douchey also. Anyway, my point is, who cares.

[–]McRib_is_Back_Baby 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Political point? I guess it is political to dodge a subject that you don’t want to talk about. I am having a difficult time following how this man’s personal preference in what he would like to discuss about himself is politically charged.

[+]jokerfriend6 -24 points-23 points-22 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Quite frankly, one can say what there job is without mentioning their Salary.. Many women have been burned by having to support boyfriend or ex-husband and does not want to go through that again....

[–]NeoNotNeo[S] 37 points38 points39 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Mmmmm and men haven’t been burned this way??

[+]jokerfriend6 -30 points-29 points-28 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Men overall don't expect women to support them financially.

[–]Sininenn 34 points35 points36 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Does it make it fine if they, or women do?

[–]McRib_is_Back_Baby 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I expect my female Fiancé to be the breadwinner in our relationship due to her career. Stop with the generalizations please, it’s embarrassing.

[–]NeoNotNeo[S] 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Says who ?? So equality only for the good bits. The tough parts, chivalry??. I’m fine being supported by a woman. I have no issues with it.

[–]jokerfriend6 -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't have problems with it either... If a woman cannot afford to support you and her do you are you okay with it.. When I date I fully expect the women to take care of herself. I might pay for the first date, and she pay and organize the second... It seems that many men here want/need the women to take care of them financially...

[–]QuarkGrandNagus 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Haha says you. I expect my woman to put in 50% MINIMUM. We are equal after all.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That's the whole point, right?

I began to wonder if he even had a job or if I was going to be left paying for our entire meal!

She was afraid she would have to provide for him. She may not have been fishing for a rich guy, but she still wants to avoid a poor one who could make a great house husband.

[+]Ferbuggity -25 points-24 points-23 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What.

It was a shitey date with a guy who ate too many red pills for his own good.

There's such a thing as being too cautious .. lapsing toward paranoid.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think he's too cautious, because there are plenty of gold diggers out there.

He could have been a lot more tactful about it. Bluntly refusing to tell his job makes him look needlessly confrontational, which is not attractive. There are much better ways to find out if your date just wants your money. For example, instead of going on a dinner, he could suggest a walk in the park, feed the ducks, and maybe share a sandwich at a picnic table. If things are going well, it could always be extended with some coffee, or maybe even a dinner afterwards.

[–]IceCorrect 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Then what is the point of marriage for men, if they cant have any support from his wife?

[+]pumpkinpeopleunite -18 points-17 points-16 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So a woman refused a second date with a guy who wouldn't tell her basic things about his life on their date, let's face it probably because he spends too much time in red pill spaces. This relates to men's rights how? Unless you think that men have the right to be absolute douchebags and women shouldn't be allowed to reject them for it..?

[–]Greek_Bazilevs 21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminists complain all day long about borders and about how men don't respect them. If someone doesn't want to tell something about his life to some stranger it's his right to do so. The fact that she continued to force the issue just shows how some women don't even have the concept of borders and lines that you can't cross. "Red pills spaces". Better a red pill space guy than a fds woman.

And he wasn't a douchebag. You're not a douchebag when you don't want to talk about something in your personal life, on the opposite - you're a douchebag when you try to force someone in doing that when they don't want it. Absolutely no one is complaining that she "rejected him".

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She say she want to know the job of the dude to be sure he got a job, which is fine, BUT then act outraged when he call her on the fact she may be a gold digger. (he did not even say it.)

She want to know his job to avoid being a caregiver for the dude, but when the dude say he want to avoid saying is job to avoid attracting gold digger, because he want to avoid being caregiver for women who just want his cash, it's an issue.

The reason why it's a MRA issue, it's because both of the partie are acting like this to avoid ending in a situation where they pay for the other, but for a magical reason, only the male in this situation is wrong.

Tbf, both parties suck, but they are too obvious to realise it.

She's right to be cautious as he's right too, but oop, who whine about the dude in the date is unfair and hypocrite, that's all, that why it's a MRA issue.

She's paranoid that all mens who don't want to talk about their job are surelly loser with no job, even if a big salary job could be the silverlinning in most gold digger relationship.

But that, they don't talk about it.

Cause they're victim and men are bad /s.

That's why it's a MRA issue.

[–]uniquemuch 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/vxre8v/she_had_a_bad_date_the_guy_refused_to_tell_her/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[–]michaelpaoli 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, ... I think I commented on that one ... let's see ....

Yes, I'd earlier replied, and my link to that comment (keep also context in mind):

pushed him on it, he was uncomfortable but I felt like I needed to get to the bottom of this 'policy' he has.

And ... so, how would you feel, out on a date with someone you sort'a kind'a hardly know ... and they start pushing you about what you do for a living, or where you work, etc.?

Anyway, not everyone wants to be so revealing about that - especially early on to someone they hardly know at all ... and often for good reasons.

he has all these paranoid men's rights beliefs about women dating men for their money

Well, yeah, definitely that's an(other) issue - so there's that.

Anyway, reasons for not disclosing or being so forthcoming on that will vary ... a lot. Anywhere from general caution to very good reasons (e.g. might be a particularly sensitive position) ... might also want to avoid being pre-judged based upon what they do, etc. Or ... might be some stupid *ssholery reason. Anyway, lots of different reasons someone might not be that forthcoming about their particular career/occupation/job or the like.

Anyway, good that you sussed out the situation and ... alas, sounds like his reasons were pretty crud.

my earlier comment

... or ... may quite be her interpretation of what he said, but in any case.

[–]Brisco_Discos 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just start asking everyone how they contribute to the gross domestic product 😉

[–]tipying_mistakes 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I just got back from a date, met on Bumble

Well there’s your first mistake right there

[–]pappo4ever 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

To be honest, if you use a 'dating app' to date, you cannot then complain the person you are dating is trash. Those apps are for trash, not for decent people.

It's like ordering an escort and then complaining she might not be faithful to you.

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