PZ Myers retracts rape allegation post (and this post). Tries to have one more final dig at Michael Shermer's character.

nlakes · 2013-08-13T03:14:15+00:00

So he gets in trouble for making un-evidenced accusations. Naming the alleged 'rapist' whom 'sources he trusts' had named as Michael Shermer.

Then he responds to the Cease and Desist Letter which says Michael Shermer has never head of these allegations before by stating:

"Shermer is shocked, shocked I tell you, never having ever heard such an accusation against him before (given that my correspondent has email from him making excuses for his behavior, this is clearly a lie).

Of course. With all this evidence, they didn't go to the police together. Instead, PZ though inciting an internet witch hunt was best to get 'justice' for this 'rape victim'.

Given that the alleged 'victim' has evidence, I wonder whether they will pursue it...... My guess is they won't, blame patriarchy for yet another unreported rape and cite this as the need for their dogmatic religious brand of non-deity believing.

Ma99ie · 2013-08-13T05:30:27+00:00

Where's the retraction?

theskepticalidealist · 2013-08-13T11:27:43+00:00

Where does he retract anything? All I read is Shermer is a liar and I'm going to need to lawyer up to fight him

Perpetual_dissident · 2013-08-13T03:51:39+00:00

In my opinion that post doesn't satisfy the cease and desist letter he was sent. It's just a half assed retraction. I hope shermer forces him to 100% retract his words.

Dronelisk · 2013-08-13T03:44:38+00:00

Like having more hits and infamy won't benefit him in the long term more than what it will cost him

He acts like he's some kind of charity or martyr, doing this stuff disinterestedly... Go cry me a river, everyone knows the reasons behind him being an obtuse cunt are PURELY MATERIALISTIC

Sharou · 2013-08-13T11:18:21+00:00

Hmmmm, so... if someone gets empty rude generic comments on their youtube clip or in their blog (as happens to exactly everyone on the internet) it's called internet bullying or harassment or "serious threats" and is a major problem (but only if the recipient is a female feminist of course!).

However if someone receives unsubstantiated criminal allegations online it's totally fine and it's outrageous that the target of these accusations is shocked! How dare he be shocked! Clearly PZ Myers is the victim here because, dude, that guy had the audacity to be shocked! Ahhhh! His shock is going to ripple right back into the feminist community and create mass-shock and trauma. He practically raped them all!

Sometimes I wonder if these people even have a brain. Whatever it is they use to think is clearly defective.

dval92 · 2013-08-13T08:42:43+00:00

Jeebus, no, this does not profit me in the slightest

Sure…

Frankly_No · 2013-08-13T03:39:17+00:00

The sad part is this whole incident will just make it more difficult for real victims of sexual assault to come forward. I wonder if these feminist ideologues legitimately thought they were helping actual victims with this or if it was purely for self-gratification.

Whisper · 2013-08-13T10:59:14+00:00

One of the fundamentals of our cultural and traditions, central to our notions of fairness, is the idea that the accused has a right to face his or her accuser.

2013-08-13T09:56:49+00:00

If this is his legally required retraction then I imagine Shermer's lawyers will be getting back in touch with him. He didn't retract his accusation, he doubled down on it then just said he was going to stop making it because he received a cease and desist. He didn't even accept any fault at all as he gives the impression he's only actually stopping because (poor poor him) has can't afford legal protection from Shermer's bullying legal team.

If PZ Myers had evidence he'd go to the cops. This is not how any reasonable person would try to get justice.

2013-08-13T12:30:50+00:00

This Meyers dude sounds like a typical male feminist douchebag.

fluxBurns · 2013-08-13T13:44:03+00:00

From what I read, PZ Meyers thinks Shermer is a 'Pig' for using his celebrity to bed women. Tell that to any rock star, actor, athlete, actress, artist etc. Isn't it really the fault of women (or men) that think that someone being famous makes them sexier? Is George Clooney to blame for thousands of women wanting to have sex with him? Or is it the shallow fan that wants to rub the bell end of anyone that has been on TV and can sing a few notes?

What has been released of the account of the rape is also pretty laughable. "He kept pouring me drinks and flirting with me. I got so terribly drunk. What a pig!" Just say you don't want any more to drink. If someone keeps flirting with you, then say no and or walk away.

If someone said "Shermer drugged my drink, dragged me to his room and raped me", they would have my attention and I would be eager for a conviction if it were true. However from what has been released, it looks like these people just regret not being able to nab Justin Beiber.

earthforce_1 · 2013-08-13T04:32:31+00:00

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Ma99ie · 2013-08-13T05:28:58+00:00

Two can play at this game.

nlakes · 2013-08-13T14:27:15+00:00

Let me just qualify (as I poorly worded the title) and don't want any misunderstandings:

PZ has not retracted the accusation post on 8 August.
PZ has retracted the Lawyering up post.
PZ has not formally withdrawn the accusation allegedly raised by a 'trustworthy' third party nor has he apologised to Michael Shermer or taken any action to rectify the damage his un-evidenced accusation may have done.

AWizard · 2013-08-13T09:21:49+00:00

Do you have a mirror of the C&D letter to which PZ Myers linked?

EDIT: found it here

continuousQ · 2013-08-13T11:30:21+00:00

Generally I agree with keeping the accusers anonymous in such cases, but I don't see why that shouldn't be applied to the accused equally. Legally libelous or not, if you don't have a solid case to put forward, if you go this route instead, it makes it seem like your goal is defamation, rather than justice.

And if you have a solid case, go that route.

timetogo134alt · 2013-08-13T22:27:18+00:00

(Jeebus, no, this does not profit me in the slightest and is more likely to have a long term cost to me)

It's always been funny to me that feminists seem so adroit at deconstructing power plays and fantasies... but only those of those in their "out group".

PZ is a massive power and attention glutton. That's fine (we actually need those people to get anything done), but I just hate the hypocrisy and lack of insight of these people.

ShitDickMcCuntFace · 2013-08-13T15:35:27+00:00

So,

Anybody that wants to be taken seriously yet starts with this valley girl/hipster schtick forfeits all credibility.

ThePigman · 2013-08-13T06:10:33+00:00

"HaHa!" Or to be more Australian about it, "Sucked in, ya bloody wallaby-humping boofhead."

Man, i hope Shermer totally ruins this bastard.

MoreFreeSpeech · 2013-08-13T10:33:37+00:00

PZ was clearly being irresponsible, but I'm not convinced Shermer has a case. The original post was intentionally written in a reporter like style (so and so told me this, but I have not or can not confirm its veracity). That would seem to me to be protected speech, even if PZ isn't actually a reporter of any sort.

vikinick · 2013-08-13T18:04:38+00:00

I've been gone a few days... can someone explain what the hell is going on here?

Corsaer · 2013-08-13T19:47:22+00:00

A more correct title would have been, "Sherman receives C&D letter, says it's bullshit and won't comply".

Archangelle_Gangrape · 2013-08-14T01:34:28+00:00

More blog hits would not financially benefit him and would actually COST him? That's it, I'm calling PZ Myers a fucking LIAR!

Not that this is the first evidence of it though.

Mytecacc · 2013-08-13T08:47:34+00:00

In fairness, at least these progressives have progressed beyond hanging people from trees.

Banake · 2022-07-05T01:44:24+00:00

Shermer became cringe in his own right. (He just tweeted a stupid article about how the far right and far left are against women that was pure cherry picking. It is sad that a self proclamed skeptic belives that nonsense.)

Banake · 2022-07-05T13:21:13+00:00

Shermer became a sjw.

Title	PZ Myers retracts rape allegation post (and this post). Tries to have one more final dig at Michael Shermer's character.
Author	nlakes
Upvotes	204
Comments	115
Date	August 13, 2013 3:13 AM UTC (12 years ago)
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