Facts about the MRM, save a copy to show to friends who are sceptical of men's rights

toptop56 · 2013-07-18T13:22:14+00:00

Interesting. A lot of things I never thought of before (like combat deaths). Some of them are pretty damning.

Edit: Okay, I've looked closer, and while most seem sound, some seem pretty dodgy.

i.e.: The rape one. Why is it comparing "estimated rapes" (in prison in the U.S.) to "reported rapes" (in a list of countries that doesn't even seem to include the U.S.)? That's statistically unsound, and makes no sense.

For the crimes one, he's chosen the worst statistic for the webpage (and separated it from the rest of the statistics). Comparing overall lengths of incarceration makes no sense - it needs to be compared by crime/level of crime. Which the linked reports do!

Trying to fight the feminists by using feminist math isn't really a good strategy IMHO.

Cant_Ban_All_MRAs · 2013-07-18T13:09:48+00:00

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elemenopee7 · 2013-07-18T12:57:11+00:00

Men pay the majority of social security taxes and are outlived by six years by women, but the government makes no fair adjustment to how those funds are distributed.

This never occurred to me before. A huge chink in the armor of the wage gap myth.

eatingsometoast · 2013-07-18T13:27:22+00:00

I think the combat numbers might be a little propagandaish when you take into account that in the military men outnumber women by a large margin. I almost didn't want to read the rest of the page, but I'm glad I did.

zulu127 · 2013-07-18T14:07:20+00:00

Interesting...left out stats re genital mutilation.

jhunte29 · 2013-07-18T13:44:52+00:00

It says that the vast majority of rape victims are male. I know that a fairly significant contingent of rape victims are male, but I thought it was 10-20 percent, not well over 50. Is this post accurate?

VortexCortex · 2013-07-18T14:31:07+00:00

As much as this is useful, please don't try to print this off, and read from it as if it's the end-all of discussions.

All that'll achieve is the MRM version of Chantelle 'Big Red' Morris.

Use the list to inform yourself, and supply points when appropriate, but please never ever dump lists of 'facts' when in a discussion or argument or debate. That'll be nothing be disservice to the MRM.

Ekekekeptangyazingni · 2013-07-18T15:54:15+00:00

I wish they didn't compare the numbers to female numbers when they don't need to.

I feel like these kind of articles would be far more compelling if they just presented the problems that men have. I feel like it would go over better when showing my feminist friends because it would be more like:

"Look, we have problems too that need focusing on"

instead of

"Look, we have it even worse than you!"

because then you start losing your audience before you even get any good arguments out.

ideletedgod · 2013-07-18T17:16:39+00:00

Represent! My hometown Lancaster has the only domestic abuse shelters for men. Probably because you might die in the heat, but nonetheless, I had no idea!

prime124 · 2013-07-18T13:06:33+00:00

Well, now I'm just pissed off

pprstrt · 2013-07-18T14:09:53+00:00

Chilling.

SPOCK_THOUGHT_FIRST · 2013-07-18T15:14:17+00:00

Those rape facts scare the shit out of me. Still my number one biggest fear. If I ever, for whatever reason, was sentenced to prison I'd probably be contributing to the suicide statistic. Sadly.

2013-07-18T21:42:21+00:00

As a feminist I can assert that all those bad things that happen to men are a result of PATRIARCHY. So join with us to eliminate them!!!! /s

Lightfiend · 2013-07-18T14:43:47+00:00

If the MRM isn't a base reactionary movement opposing all of Feminism then why include so many facts and statistics from before 2nd wave feminism began?

EKcore · 2013-07-18T17:59:12+00:00

I'd like to see obesity rates and compare them to women empowerment. No sexism implied but the upswing of easy cook meals, fast food and women working longer hours and not being able to make complete meals as a house wife. I don't know someone make more sense of what I mean.

ZimbaZumba · 2013-07-18T18:07:03+00:00

Put this on the side bar.

HankDevereaux · 2013-07-18T19:33:06+00:00

Where did he get the numbers for domestic violence? When I looked through the CDC website the surveys I found had statistics that are contrary to what he was reporting.

Rationalization · 2013-07-18T21:16:14+00:00

This needs to be hosted elsewhere. No one is going to give 2 shits about the facts presented as long as they have to visit paranoia/doxx central.

2013-07-18T21:22:16+00:00

Clearly evidence of "the patriarchy" in action

DrDerpberg · 2013-07-18T21:48:34+00:00

This is an excellent resource with the exception of the parts on female abusers. Devoid of context (I.e.: "males are portrayed to be the only possible abusers in the following ways... But [the same statistics]"), that section just seems like it's trying to say women do bad things too - which isn't even really directly a men's rights issue.

Otherwise, this is excellently worded to remain un-inflammatory and sticks to the facts. Good stuff.

Nathan_Go_By_Nate · 2013-07-18T13:26:44+00:00

I don't understand why heart disease is listed here; that's biological and pretty much unchangeable, no?

threemorereasons · 2013-07-18T18:48:27+00:00

I want to point out that the paternity fraud statistic is exaggerated. 30% of people who already had cause to doubt that they were the father turned out not to be the father. This is obviously a sampling bias, and various other studies have put the median at around 3.7%. I'm not saying that paternity fraud isn't an issue, or that the article is lying, but it is not an accurate representation of the problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternity_fraud

http://www.paternityfraud.org/

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/19yr8k/paternity_fraud_the_10_of_all_children_born_to/

feelmyperi · 2013-07-18T19:45:31+00:00

I don't understand why MRA's hate feminism so much. I am both a feminist and a men's rights advocate, but in threads like this, I see so many people hating on feminism. I get it...patriarchy and woman superiority and all that. But the fact is, feminism has the same goals as men's rights.

Yet I see so many comments in this subreddit, where MRA's only discuss men's rights in opposition to feminism. Why can't men's rights advocates exist harmoniously with feminists...after all, we all want more equality here.

I understand this won't be a popular opinion and I await the orangereds, but I, for one, am a feminist who's on your side. And I know that there are millions of others out there just like me. So can't we stop the fussin' and a feudin' and just get along?

Kuonji · 2013-07-18T14:09:15+00:00

"We need to smash patriarchy so all these problems can be fixed!!!!!!!!!!"

Title	Facts about the MRM, save a copy to show to friends who are sceptical of men's rights
Author	captain_crunchy
Upvotes	413
Comments	111
Date	July 18, 2013 10:04 AM UTC (13 years ago)
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