"FEMINISM: Telling young women that their safety and well being isn’t their responsibility, their safety and well being is their Rapists responsibility."

TracyMorganFreeman · 2013-07-07T16:07:27+00:00

In the real world, criminals don't base their actions on what others think they should do.

Always_Doubtful · 2013-07-07T17:24:16+00:00

I hate this statement cause it infantilizes women to a state that they have zero responsibility in no way shape or form. This is truly dangerous for any women deciding to go into social justice or feminism cause it erases what first wave feminists fought for.

DavidByron · 2013-07-07T17:17:55+00:00

It's not your responsibility to lock your door, it's the responsibility of the burglar!

2013-07-07T20:16:58+00:00

Trusting arsonists to prevent forest fires.

giegerwasright · 2013-07-07T18:09:10+00:00

It's like they just can't hold two ideas in their head at the same time. Idea #1: Wherever you go, whatever you do, you should take your personal safety into account and ascertain whether or not there are any factors you can effect to increase or decrease your personal safety. This doesn't necessarily mean that you will be blamed for failing to increase your safety. It does mean that you should be willing to learn from any experiences, positive or negative, so that you can effectively increase your safety without diminishing your personal life experiences. Part of controlling the behavior of predators is controlling their access to prey. When those predators cannot find prey, they will starve out.

Idea 2: Predators cannot be punished until they prey. We don't do precrime prosecution. Nor should we ever. So, unfortunately, predators cannot be dealt with until someone has been hurt.

There is also a third, more overarching concept to consider. That is this; over time, society can be improved. Society can work to mitigate factors that lead to the production of such broken people. That is going to take a very long fucking time, though. So our immediate options are starve them out, and punish them. All three of these goals can be pursued simultaneously, and none is more or less important then the others.

Jesus. It isn't that fucking complicated.

Eryemil · 2013-07-07T21:00:43+00:00

One of the replies:

"BUT there is a huge difference between most crimes (I’ll use mugging as an example) and rape. Muggers have a goal. They want your shit. They use intimidation and violence to take that shit. So if you don’t want to get mugged, you don’t wave your expensive shit around in a bad neighborhood."

"With rape, there isn’t a goal. There isn’t a point to it. There’s no real reason why an individual (either gender) should rape another. So, why shouldn’t women feel entitled to safety when people don’t need to rape?"

Are you fucking kidding me?

It's called pussy you stupid child. They want tight young snatch and aren't particularly bothered about what they have to do to get it or actually prefer the thrill of rape sex to non-rape sex.

Feminists really have done a number on these stupid young girls with the whole "rape is only about power, not sex" bullshit. When a rapist rapes it's not some grand, nefarious political statement; he's not thinking about how he is doing his duty to the patriarchy by subjugating wimminkind. Asking him to please strop oppressing the proud strong wombyn with his privilege stick will not make him reconsider that maybe rape is not as fun as he thinks it is.

Your various bodily orifices are, to a rapist, exactly what the money in your wallet is to a mugger.

Douggem · 2013-07-07T17:06:14+00:00

Are you supporting this statement? Do you know anything about rape? Statements like these support the idea that the majority of rape happens in some random attack by some random person you've never met when that isn't the case at all.

I was raped when I was 12 by someone I knew, how was I not taking responsibility of my safety and well being? Would you tell that to a man who was attacked after passing out around a female friend?

Jesus Christ.

MechPlasma · 2013-07-07T17:31:23+00:00

That is... literally the dumbest phrasing of "teach rapists not to rape" I have ever heard. "The guy who raped you is in charge of your health and safety"? That's seriously what it means! Bloody hell!

Mrmojoman0 · 2013-07-08T02:53:05+00:00

if you tell me that i should lock my door rather than telling the burglars not to steal from me,

you are oppressing me.

2013-07-08T10:23:09+00:00

This is one thing that annoys me. Like yeah, we need to get the rapists to stop. BUT HERE’S THE THING: THERE’LL NEVER...

Nuff said.

Mytecacc · 2013-07-07T18:51:08+00:00

No thats not what they are doing, thats just the mra misunderstanding of what they are doing.

They advocate spotting potential rapists and self defense in various different ways, they advocate against acting like they are in a culture where wearing the wrong clothes triggers rape and so on.

Telling women, dont wear this, don't go there, dont do this is what breeds man haters and fearful women, then they are ripe to join feminism.

Tomdowney · 2013-07-07T23:46:35+00:00

Nor as a minor does he have any legal rights for visitation, custody, or even a voice in the legal system. Brilliant use of the legal system, sperm jack a child, get 100% legally, get a big payoff when the boy child she raped at 15 and at 18 he is legally liable for 3 years back child support all the while lady justice turns a blind eye to the pedophile who continues to prey upon her victim for life. Reverse the roles and the man would still pay, have no rights to see his kid, and no public support either.

2013-07-07T17:45:11+00:00

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loose-dendrite · 2013-07-07T20:46:46+00:00

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Mytecacc · 2013-07-07T18:57:01+00:00

I wish mra's would stop this retarded business of getting involved in rape prevention.

Here, see the rape prevention strategies that they advocate for yourselves.

Santa Clara University's Wellness Center: http://www.scu.edu/wellness/topics/sexualassault/How-Men-Can-Help.cfm

Indiana State University's Student Counseling Center: http://www.indstate.edu/svp/justformen.htm Cornell College's Counseling Center: http://www.cornellcollege.edu/counseling/sexual-assault/prevention-postvention.shtml

University of Wisconsin's Sexual Assualt Information for Men: http://www.uwstout.edu/police/services/sexualassaultformen.cfm Northern Alberta Institute of Technology's Counselling Centre: http://www.nait.ca/38929.htm

Mr_Rivers · 2013-07-07T20:47:36+00:00

This statement...

"-inhales- ok. Obviously, there’s bad people in the world and EVERYONE needs to take steps to prevent themselves from getting hurt. No one is saying that isn’t true.

BUT there is a huge difference between most crimes (I’ll use mugging as an example) and rape. Muggers have a goal. They want your shit. They use intimidation and violence to take that shit. So if you don’t want to get mugged, you don’t wave your expensive shit around in a bad neighborhood.

With rape, there isn’t a goal. There isn’t a point to it. There’s no real reason why an individual (either gender) should rape another. So, why shouldn’t women feel entitled to safety when people don’t need to rape?

We teach people not to steal, when there’s many reasons why someone would want to steal. Why can’t we teach them not to take advantage of people sexually? "

THE LOGICAL FALLACIES, MY EYES

Vandredd · 2013-07-07T19:12:38+00:00

Well it kinda is the rapist's responsibility right? I mean, most men that I know have rapist qualities to them (in fact I believe that all men are potential rapists, it's just in your nature). Anyway, men have the duty to keep such violent urges in check so that us women can live freely.

Remember: it's never the girl's fault that they get raped!

Title	"FEMINISM: Telling young women that their safety and well being isn’t their responsibility, their safety and well being is their Rapists responsibility."
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Date	July 7, 2013 3:30 PM UTC (13 years ago)
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