Is this study legit, it says 14% of college men have committed sexual assault

LOPI-14 · 2024-05-13T09:30:51+00:00

Self-administered surveys were completed by 197 men in college at 2 time points, 1 year apart.

This thing is fucking worthless.

Spins13 · 2024-05-13T06:54:45+00:00

Likely loose definitions, ethics and no scientific method. From a scientific standpoint, if you did a study like this, it would be obvious to include women too an apply the same method.

This study is the equivalent of a cop planting drugs on the first suspect he has every time. The guilty decision has been made before any kind of thinking and you will do anything to make it look real.

Always ignore surveys too as they have no relation with science, especially paid surveys where you can guide the responses you want.

CordCarillo · 2024-05-13T09:04:00+00:00

These studies are why I can't buy into the "believe all women" trope.

They take sexual assault and use it ad an umbrella to cover any physical contact. She sobers up, remembers a shared kiss, or heavy makeout session and decides she didn't like it; sexual assault.

Hug someone who didn't ask for it in writing, wirh witnesses and a notary? SA.

Juan20455 · 2024-05-13T11:25:06+00:00

If you consider "sexual assault", any kind of touching, including dancing near each other, yes.

Like the "statistic" about how many women were being victims of Sexual assault in college, that included everything from receiving a compliment to a (ugly) guy trying to flirt and that would put colleges more dangerous than the shittiest city in the world

Scarce12 · 2024-05-13T10:23:08+00:00

I don't understand how these institutions enforce gender pronouns, teach gender fluidity and sexual fluidity.

But when it comes to writing papers on sexual assault and domestic violence, it's decidedly gender binary and hetrosexual.

How do they unify this?

This paper, if they did both genders and did sexual orientations, it may explain more about the sampling and methodology.

527east · 2024-05-13T12:35:22+00:00

So let me understand this. 14 percent of guys are 6ft or taller. Women don't see guys under 6ft. Those 6ft plus guys get access to sex. Then after getting sex from the woman and he won't commit to her...she doesn't see what she did was wrong and had to blame the guy for her actions and avoid accountability and look like the victim. There solved your 14 percent of sexual assaults at college.

Sam__Toucan · 2024-05-13T08:30:08+00:00

"In college and community samples, rates of self-reported rape perpetration range from 6% to 15%, and rates of sexual assault perpetration range from 22% to 57% (Abbey et al., 1998; Calhoun, Bernat, Clum, & Frame, 1997; Koss et al., 1987; Muehlenhard & Linton, 1987; Rapaport & Burkhart, 1984; Senn, Desmarais, Verberg, & Wood, 2000)."

Self-reported studies are generally rubbish as people who care about an issue are far more likely to respond than people who don't care
All of the studies are over 20 years old, some as much as 40 years old!. So we are talking about the boomer generation rather than college students of today.

aigars2 · 2024-05-13T07:54:40+00:00

This defines touching and speaking as a sexual assault and it's self reported, so I'd consider it very dodgy.

EricAllonde · 2024-05-13T09:50:35+00:00

Feminists in Australia did a big project to collect data on reported rapes from all the universities by filing Freedom Of Information (FOI) requests and collating everything they got back.

The result was shocking. By which I mean shockingly low. Just 1 rape per 45,300 students, per year.

That didn't stop the feminists doing a huge media push to shriek hysterically about the "epidemic of rape on Australian university campuses" and make the usual demands for political power & money, as well as more discrimination against men, stripping men of legal rights etc etc - all in a supposed attempt to fix a trivially tiny problem.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/63kzcv/national_study_reports_the_total_number_of_rapes/

So when you see a study like this one, you can safely assume the feminists behind it are lying. It's just what they do.

JJnanajuana · 2024-05-13T12:25:21+00:00

14% admit to committing sexual assault in the last year

Likely some men did SA someone and didn't admit it.

But they used a modified SES survey, which is known to include a board definition of SA, including asking about alcohol consumption without asking about impairment levels.

There's also a lot of places where they mention that sexual assulters were more likely than not assulters to drink prior to, or during sexual intercourse.

And they say

When the male perpetrator is intoxicated, the cognitive impairments induced by alcohol make it easier for him to focus on the short-term benefits of forced sex rather than on long-term negative consequences

When the female victim is intoxicated, she may be unable to resist effectively because of the cognitive and motor impairments induced by alcohol

Which sounds like a long ass version of that poster where they are both drinking, so the girl is raped.

Would be interesting to detangle how many were rapists and how many were having (mutually) drunk sex.

They looked at a lot of other trends, that I would be interested in, if they didn't lump rape and drunken sex together.

jamany · 2024-05-13T06:50:32+00:00

Obviously not

Admirable_Outside_30 · 2024-05-13T07:12:33+00:00

Well, is saying "Hi" considered sexual assault or complimenting a girl's new haircut considered inappropriate behaviour? These clowns are probably basing it on that

DevilishRogue · 2024-05-13T10:27:11+00:00

From the study abstract: "Reported victimization and perpetration prevalence rates vary depending on the sample and question phrasing." The authors chose meanings to achieve the result they wanted rather than looking objectively at data.

Inevitable-Island346 · 2024-05-13T13:44:28+00:00

Not surprised, considering saying hello is now considered sexual assault by many women

Emergency_Wedding331 · 2024-05-13T15:12:36+00:00

Just another unscientific feminist hit-piece on men. Just ignore and move on.

RevelationSr · 2024-05-13T12:14:01+00:00

Does "sexual assault" mean she had second thoughts in the morning and changed her mind?

SnooBeans6591 · 2024-05-13T11:49:14+00:00

"participants were required to have dated a woman in the past year, to not be married or engaged, and to have lived in the United States for at least 10 years" - so its not a randomized sample. It is explicitly not random.

MaxTheCatigator · 2024-05-13T12:04:13+00:00

There is no reliable survey in an environment where a certain type of response is socially required. The same applies to the moronic queries asking "who does more housework, you or your husband".

Not even when the questions are posed in a supposedly anonymous manner.

Jaded_Permit_7209 · 2024-05-13T12:04:05+00:00

So, feminism is a fairly rare academic subject. You see, studies in feminism that paint the worst picture tend to be the most cited, despite their methodologies. Feminist research therefore has an active interest in, when possible, skewing the numbers in a way that will make their study catch an eye.

When an academic field incentivizes exaggerated numbers, you cannot trust anything it has to say.

Time 1 participants were recruited for a study of dating experiences and completed a self-administered survey on campus. At this time, participants were required to have dated a woman in the past year, to not be married or engaged, and to have lived in the United States for at least 10 years.

Statistical fuckery #1: only men with recent relationship experience were considered. With a statistical average of 21.9 years for first-time participants, this disqualifies many men.

Time 1 participants were recruited for a study of dating experiences and completed a self-administered survey on campus.

Statistical fuckery #2: self-administered survey. What survey, you may ask? Well, that brings to us statistical fuckery #3:

Sexual assault perpetration was measured with a modified 12-item version of the Sexual Experiences Survey (SES) that includes incidents that occurred since the age of 14 (Koss et al., 1987)

I for the life of me cannot find this Sexual Experiences Survey they used, so for all we know, eye contact was considered a form of sexual assault. Keep in mind here that Koss, whose name pops up constantly throughout this study, is a radfem who believes that it is impossible for a woman to rape a man. So yeah, there's that.

Like, where is this survey?

Statistical fuckery #4:

Of the sample, 33% (n = 113) reported that they had perpetrated some form of sexual assault. The most serious sexual assault described by 15% (n = 51) of the total sample involved sexual contact: for 10% (n = 34), it was coerced sexual intercourse; for 3% (n = 9), it was attempted rape; and 5% (n = 19) had perpetrated an act that met the standard legal definition of rape.

First, a slight correction for OP: 14% of men have apparently committed sexual assault in the past year. The lifetime incidence is 33%.

33% have perpetrated some form of sexual assault. 5% completed rape, 3% attempted rape. Does that 33% figure fail the smell test for anyone else?

So, when it comes down to the actual legal definition of rape, we get a much more realistic number. Keep in mind here that sexual assault was not the legal definition of sexual assault, but rather the researchers' definition of sexual assault.

I think the biggest issue I have with this study is this: unless the researchers use identical parameters to investigate college-aged women, asking them the same questions and interpreting the data the same way, it's entirely worthless. Every sexual assault study that takes itself seriously looks at both genders' victimization rates. And on that note, let's look at a few:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss6308a1.htm

an estimated 1.6% of women (or approximately 1.9 million women) were raped in the 12 months before taking the survey

an estimated 1.7% of men were made to penetrate a perpetrator in the 12 months preceding the survey

Characteristics of Sexual Violence Perpetrators For female rape victims, an estimated 99.0% had only male perpetrators. In addition, an estimated 94.7% of female victims of sexual violence other than rape had only male perpetrators. For male victims, the sex of the perpetrator varied by the type of sexual violence experienced. The majority of male rape victims (an estimated 79.3%) had only male perpetrators. For three of the other forms of sexual violence, a majority of male victims had only female perpetrators: being made to penetrate (an estimated 82.6%), sexual coercion (an estimated 80.0%),

This would make about 42% of perpetrators of nonconsensual sex women.

Other years with similar numbers:

2010 survey results - https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/cdc_nisvs_ipv_report_2013_v17_single_a.pdf

2012 survey results - https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/NISVS-StateReportBook.pdf

2015 survey results - https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/2015data-brief508.pdf

Scientific American - https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sexual-victimization-by-women-is-more-common-than-previously-known

data revealed that over one year, men and women were equally likely to experience nonconsensual sex, and most male victims reported female perpetrators. Over their lifetime, 79 percent of men who were “made to penetrate” someone else (a form of rape, in the view of most researchers) reported female perpetrators. Likewise, most men who experienced sexual coercion and unwanted sexual contact had female perpetrators.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/11/the-understudied-female-sexual-predator/503492/

a 2014 study of 284 men and boys in college and high school found that 43 percent reported being sexually coerced, with the majority of coercive incidents resulting in unwanted sexual intercourse. Of them, 95 percent reported only female perpetrators.

Any study that treats rape as a gendered issue is trash.

Credit for much of this information compiling goes to poster duhhh for his excellent post on the topic.

IceCorrect · 2024-05-13T10:36:05+00:00

Did you have sex with girl under influence? Yes - congrats you commited SA

JayTheFordMan · 2024-05-13T06:58:28+00:00

Pretty sure this is the one where they lowered the bar for SA pretty much to the basement, and then extrapolated the number of 'assaults' to number of men ie artistic license with both census and statistics

LongDongSamspon · 2024-05-13T08:16:18+00:00

All these studies include things like drunken sex as assault.

LowPressureUsername · 2024-05-13T15:57:25+00:00

His hip touched my butt in a dark and crowded room in a party! It must be intentional.

Mad_Hatter_92 · 2024-05-13T18:09:03+00:00

Definition of sexual assault changes so frequently. If we used their definition - which often boils down to ‘sexual interactions which they were unhappy with afterwards’ then I’ve also been sexually assaulted.

No_Table386 · 2024-05-13T18:15:17+00:00

Or have been falsely accused of it

Sumbe · 2024-05-13T18:44:22+00:00

I believe if the exact same study was conducted on college women the numbers would be very similar.

This is probably normal human sexual behaviour regardless of gender, but the study is more media sexy when men are targetted and gets more reviews, because who would want or dare to publish a study on women being 14% rapists. No one who cares about their career, and even if they did it would be disregarded as bigotry, misogyny, or data manipulation etc.

Men get villified, women are victims. Nothing new under the sun.

Edit: The study would give better data on male sexual aggressiveness (which i believe was the intention here) if there were a women group and 50-50 male/female mixed group as controls. However they did not consider doing this. This study is merely reporting on the queationnaire results and how the answers are distibuted.

Basically I it's the same idea if prisoners were surveyed and asked how many of them have committed crimes and of what sort and results would say some percentage of prison population has committed a crime of some sort. The survey would not answer how does that compare to a control (e.g. people outside of prison). It would merely say how crimes are distributed between these inmates who have answered the questionnaire.

EfficientSimplicity · 2024-05-13T19:44:15+00:00

Would rape stats be 1/100 or 1/1000 if the woman was sober?

BasicsofPain · 2024-05-13T21:05:02+00:00

The definition of SA has been expanded to a point it has been rendered meaningless. SA can include: staring at a woman, walking on the same side of the street, approaching a woman in a public space, telling a woman “no”, engaging in consensual sexual activity the woman regrets the next day, unwanted compliments, essentially anything a woman “feels” is SA regardless of that activity meeting the legal definition of SA. These “studies” are beyond reason.

SympatheticListener · 2024-05-13T22:56:55+00:00

Such bullshit. If you agreed to the act, then changed your mind later, it was consensual.

ezbyEVL · 2024-05-13T09:16:56+00:00

First, this includes unwanted kisses, and that can make this a chaos. A women can have a crush on someone, and if that guy kisses her by surprise, is romantic and they both fall in love, if the girl doest have a crush, then is assault, even if she acted the same in both cases, or is very close to you

If she likes it, is romantic and the steriotype of a prince, and if she doesnt, then is assault

stinkydogusa · 2024-05-13T10:34:38+00:00

14% of the 197 students polled maybe.

Chudsaviet · 2024-05-13T12:24:49+00:00

Longitudal - 2 points 1 year apart. Ok.

Vapelord420XXXD · 2024-05-13T16:50:44+00:00

100% of people have been "sexually assaulted." Getting your ass grabbed in the club is sexual assault.

WannabeLeagueBowler · 2024-05-13T18:51:13+00:00

The scientists are lying. They believe it's 100%, but they knew that wouldn't be believable.

MrAnonPoster · 2024-05-13T20:44:46+00:00

Yes, if rape is defined to include "what the hell was i thinking when i decided i wanted to sleep with John? There is no way i would have done it! Oh of course! He assaulted me!"

SnooHabits7185 · 2024-05-13T20:53:40+00:00

The biggest lie ever told online by angry feminists. That number is laughable. Why do women's groups have to lie so much?

Lazy_Major_5106 · 2024-05-13T23:40:34+00:00

Sexual assault probably also includes 'the male gaze'™

aBlackKing · 2024-05-14T03:53:32+00:00

I don’t trust feminist studies

Jaffacakes-and-Jesus · 2024-05-16T00:48:20+00:00

According to An Examination of Sexual Coercion Perpetrated by Women by David DiMarco and Ryan Savitz: "The weighted mean of those studies which were predominantly heterosexual indicate that, worldwide, approximately 17% of heterosexual women have sexually coerced a man sometime during their lifetime."

Both studies probably suffer from substantial self selection bias and the real figures are probably below 2% for rape and serious sexual assault and below 10% for the more modern forms (moderate is a relative term obviously).

Arguesovereverythin · 2024-05-13T08:15:49+00:00

What you said in the title is not correct. The study does not claim that 14% of college men have committed sexual assault.

It says that of the 197 participants involved in a 4 year study at one specific school, 14% had reported committing attempted or completed rape and 34% had reported at least one act of sexual assault perpetration.

This study was published in 2004, so we don't know if a researcher would obtain the same results today.

The study cannot be generalized to all college men because the sample size is too small.

They claimed they modified previously developed questions from other published research for the survey, but they did not include the survey in the publication.

So, the claim that "14% of college men have committed sexual assault" is not supported by this research.

Mahnonsaprei · 2024-05-13T11:58:08+00:00

Sure, totally believable.

Hi, how are you?
HELP! HE'S RAPING ME!

Bullshit like this contributes to the unsafety of women, because when violence actually happens, no one will believe it anymore.

MannerNo7000 · 2024-05-13T07:18:16+00:00

Rubbish

living_in_darkness1 · 2024-05-13T06:55:30+00:00

until you find something fishy, apart from disagreeing with the result, I'd say it's safe to assume it's factual

Fredfredfred777 · 2024-05-13T11:59:36+00:00

Not read the article but that's probably an average.

It'll be a small number of repeat offenders.

Title	Is this study legit, it says 14% of college men have committed sexual assault
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