"Men are the problem"

Eaglingonthemoor · 2024-05-28T02:55:41+00:00

My perception here might just be due the fact that this is when I started actively engaging with the subject, but I feel like man vs bear was a bit of a splitting point for the rise of both opinions. I was surprised to see that I was not the only woman who was loudly objecting to the rhetoric, which emboldened me to be a bit louder and I imagine it may have emboldened others. At the same time, because I made the mistake of searching for the original video, my facebook algorithm now likes to feed me nothing but mean-spirited man vs bear dunks - typically pointing at some random dude and going "this is why we picked the bear" as though you couldn't do the same for any group of people you fancied harrassing that week.

It is so obviously a bad faith argument that it seems to have created a neat divide between bad faith man bad folks and good faith men are people folks, and strengthened the convictions on both sides.

SvitlanaLeo · 2024-05-28T02:43:54+00:00

Misandrists are the problem, including those who are male. One might think that there are few misandrists among criminals or that misandry has no influence on the commission of crimes. Internalized misandry actually significantly increases the amount of male-on-male violence, because many of the perpetrators think that violence against men is acceptable, at least more acceptable than against women.

2024-05-28T02:35:06+00:00

A black person is statistically more likely to be killed by another black person. Does that mean we shouldn’t stop that?

ManofIllRepute · 2024-05-28T06:30:19+00:00

One of the more insightful criticisms of modern feminism, I've come across is: even as feminism moves towards poststruclturalism, no matter how much its proponents claim it's anti-essentialist, it still suggests an essentialist conception of men.

I think this is why the layman/pop/tiktok feminist believes that patriarchy/masculinity/manhood are one and the same. Which is why it's nigh impossible for modern feminists (almost all of them) to concieve of a non-feminist inspired masculinity which promotes healthy and egalitarian relationships between men, women, and other gender identities.

Not sure if anyone else has noticed this, but has feminism ever described a non-pathological, non-perpetrator model of masculinity?

SomeSugondeseGuy · 2024-05-28T02:25:59+00:00

This is part of a post I made a bit ago:

When faced with the "but it's by other men" fallacy, I usually just like to point out that around 80% of healthcare workers are women (Note: 60% of gynecologists and 48% of surgeons are women) and yet anti-woman bias in the healthcare sector is a well-defined grievance that is extremely commonly touted by feminist sources.

Now, I'm not saying that women's grievances with the healthcare sector don't matter or that they don't exist, they do. And these grievances deserve to be taken seriously.

I'm saying that the contents of the pants of the perpetrator have little to no bearing on the validity of the discrimination, and even if they are true - such as with the male-discriminatory draft being signed into law by male presidents, pointing out such is only done to dismiss people's grievances with society, and as such cannot be done in good faith.

Just because it tends to be done by someone who looks like you doesn't make it any less painful or discriminatory.

ManWithTwoShadows · 2024-05-28T09:37:19+00:00

Just 'cause some men victimize other men, doesn't mean society should let it happen.

Stellakinetic · 2024-05-28T16:12:12+00:00

The thing I see that befuddles me the most, is that the traits which are seen in men as toxic are being encouraged and glorified in women. I think the hypocrisy that exists in the world today is beyond measure.

Johntoreno · 2024-05-28T11:20:46+00:00

new ideology become more popular, that men ARE the problem

New? Feminism is over 100 years old.

eli_ashe · 2024-05-30T04:06:04+00:00

gonna keep saying it, the proper targets are NISVS and the Istanbul Convention On Gendered Violence.

these are the primary sources of the stat problem, and to OP's point, the 'men are to blame for men's problems' problem.

Blauwpetje · 2024-05-31T11:02:16+00:00

It’s like telling fundamentalist Christians that the Bible isn’t God’s word. You can point out JHWH’s unfathomable cruelties, simpler: you can point out all the contradictions within and between the different books, they won’t care because admitting it would be mental suicide. Same with telling libertarians that Keynesian economics sometimes have done some good, or dogmatic communists that the USSR wasn’t much good. They won’t debate with you, cannot debate with you because losing your religion is worse than losing your partner or your income. Some people might change their mind over the years, but proving them they’re wrong won’t change a bit right now.

SignificancePale6040 · 2024-10-03T07:45:38+00:00

"Disadvantaged"? Sorry, I'm just not sure how you can say men are disadvantaged vis-a-vis women? If you are saying that various men can be variously disadvantaged, this is obviously true, but to claim that women have more advantages than men is a bit of a stretch. Just a quick search of reproductive rights or the gender pay gap or even the pleasure gap shows this.

After-Fly7026 · 2024-11-05T15:48:21+00:00

Agreed, in fact lets start a hashtag which is #menneedmorecredit

Nintendor_84 · 2024-11-15T17:06:15+00:00

Women’s rights are actually about men’s wrongs

2025-05-25T10:19:45+00:00

They may pick the bear, but the bear probably wouldn't pick them. Anyone thought to ask the bear?

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