Wellness check: how're you coping with the fallout?

POO_IN_A_LOO · 2024-11-09T04:08:48+00:00

The thing is, I don't believe we will ever get to the part of the story where struggling men get to tell their part, because it's a social contract that there is always going to be a percentage of men who are utterly fucked and forgotten.

There are too many people who benefit from this.

ChemistryFederal6387 · 2024-11-09T09:32:13+00:00

This should be a massive wake up call for progressives and the left.

They have dismissed, demonised and treated half the population like sh*t. They are suppose to be the ones who represent those in poverty, who are left behind and ignored by society. Yet they ignored the huge numbers of men who are struggling in America; they offered them nothing.

Now they are paying the price for their arrogance.

Dynamo4L · 2024-11-09T01:37:14+00:00

i’m doing alright, shit sucks but trying to remember i only can control so much

doesanyofthismatter · 2024-11-09T03:09:54+00:00

Women are pushing men even further to the right or those that are allies with all the posts I’m seeing about how they hate men and the 4B crap. Like, these women don’t understand how politics work - “we aren’t going to fuck men until a democrat wins in 2028. That will show them!”

Meanwhile, men and women on the right AND left are mocking them. 52% of white women and 45% of all women voted for trump. Yet, it’s men’s fault again lol

Idk man. As a lifelong Democrat, I’m sick of liberal women immediately attacking all men.

NonbinaryYolo · 2024-11-09T01:26:22+00:00

I'm feeling pretty disconnected from it atm. Taking more of a stoicist approach. Whatever feelings bubble up I just kind of let go of.

I was considering skipping out on skydiving, because I didn't want to listen to people talk about it. That's not super ideal.

Zess-57 · 2024-11-09T09:34:15+00:00

kinda feels nice that the people that were comparing men to animals have now lost

MannerNo7000 · 2024-11-09T02:58:22+00:00

The left needs to bloody wake up to ourselves and change how we treat men!

BKEnjoyerV2 · 2024-11-09T04:56:13+00:00

I’m trying to stay away from social media regarding politics, but I’ve been on here way too much the last few days because a lot of the men’s issues impact me directly despite me voting for Kamala. Especially since I’m basically an incel and a virgin at 27 who’s never dated anyone and has very few friends or long term connections

cliffseika70 · 2024-11-09T16:13:37+00:00

It feels different than 2016. Maybe its the fact that he won the popular vote. In 2016, it felt like there was a radical minority that, by a perfect set of circumstances, was able to grab power undemocratically. This time, people knew what they were getting and the majority chose it. I felt angry the first go around - this time I'm strangely more apathetic. I'm done caring. If this is the country that people want, they can get it. I don't think they will like the outcome, but I'm not going to have much sympathy.

For the left, I think they have two options: 1) ramp up the blame on men (despite 45% of women voting for him) and other convenient scapegoats or 2) start addressing working class concerns that affect all genders and races. But I think we all know which they are going to choose.

rump_truck · 2024-11-09T11:59:37+00:00

I'm seeing a lot of black women saying that they're picking the bear over white women too, because more than half of white women voted red. I have to admit that I'm getting a cathartic sort of joy out of that. The same women who shit on us for saying "not all men" and asking "is there anything I can do to prove that I'm not one of them" are saying "not all white women" and making blue friendship bracelets that the red hats are already copying.

There's a real opportunity for empathy and growth here, but I'm sure a lot of people will find a way to wriggle out of it and then say that it wasn't the same when it applied to them.

geeses · 2024-11-09T02:03:00+00:00

It is what it is

Johntoreno · 2024-11-09T18:40:43+00:00

I'm just laughing at the mask-off racism directed at Latino men. Young white males are also being blamed, even though white&latino women also voted for trump. This just proves that the feminists/progressives view men as the default enemy. Non-white men aren't safe, they'll become the scapegoat whenever something goes wrong.

Langland88 · 2024-11-09T03:21:23+00:00

All I have done is snooze people for 30 days on Facebook. The reason I have done this because I have a lot of friends on the left wing that are taking this pretty hard and they are demonizing men and Americans. I have said numerous times that the Democrats need to change their strategy going forward but I don't know if they'll get the right meaning to what I am saying.

Absentrando · 2024-11-09T03:29:59+00:00

It doesn’t affect me anymore. In the past when I respected and identified with feminists and leftists as a whole, it would have been deeply disturbing to me. I no longer expect them to think logically and behave reasonably in the best of times let alone during moments of adversity.

Wauron · 2024-11-09T06:21:26+00:00

Ngl, I wish I had some friends to talk about things with right now, because I'm mentally pretty exhausted.

BootyBRGLR69 · 2024-11-09T04:29:02+00:00

Im drunk as fuck rn - thats how im coping lmao

UnIntelligent_Local · 2024-11-09T01:40:04+00:00

The dude is a wild card. I don't know what to expect from him and that has me anxious. I feel jaded, disappointed, and just genuinely sad.

AshenCursedOne · 2024-11-09T10:32:12+00:00

I see ignorant clowns happy that their glorious leader won, not contemplating the implications and consequences. I willfully ignorant idiots that refuse to introspect on why they lost, refusing to learn from their mistakes. I see hate from empowerment. I see hate from bitterness of loss. I see sexism and hate being upvoted and celebrated, regardless of the belief system. I see introspective and nuanced takes downvoted by both sides.

Americans deserve each other and whatever is coming, because all of them celebrate their own brand of ignorance and echo chambers. It just sucks that as always, their brain rot will have unpredictable consequences on the rest of the world.

This isn't about who's right, and who's wrong, it's about widespread antiintellectualism, NA has gone mad and over 3 election cycles everyone became conservative and purely feelings driven, they just can't agree on what they want to preserve and what the correct feelings are.

MakeAVision · 2024-11-09T18:03:01+00:00

Honestly, I'm reveling in the collective freakout of the left. I'm a moderate liberal who voted for both Hillary and Kamala, but every criticism of the Democrats handling of men and this election is spot on. The left has become so insufferable that I can't help but find their tears delicious.

I hope the Democrats return to the party of the blue collar working class and ditch the intersectional identidy politics. But I don't think it'll happen anytime soon.

In the meantime I'm going to go about my life for the next four years. It'll be fine.

ImprovementWarm2407 · 2024-11-09T15:53:33+00:00

gonna be honest, I vote left because of health policies but I feel vindicated knowing the left who consistently bash and spread hate towards men more than the right ever will lost due to their narcissism and lack of empathy which they preach on and on about

it's a wake up call for everyone even if the main reason wasn't necessarily because of men (there were many reasons why they didn't vote for kamala) but it feels good that people are finally noticing their actions have consequences. Accountability is missing from everyone but as someone on the left I want us to be more accountable.

AidenMetallist · 2024-11-09T02:02:38+00:00

To be totally honest, even at the risk of getting banned from this sub:

I'm no longer a leftist. The left has lost me completely for a while now. The fallout only reinforced my desire to leave it completely behind, forever. Call me a doomer, but I now believe it was never a bug but a feature of the ideology the state we see it at now. Its endgame was probably this all along, since we see proto feminist thought in the writings of socialists as early as Fourier, Thompson, Owen, Engels...and the more I scrutinize their ideas, lives and endeavors, the more I think they knew jack shit about how the world works (much less how it should).

I see is at a sort of Stockholm Syndrome the way so many leftist men just cling to this side of the ideological compass despite been treated as the source of all evil for so long, there's hardly any community in it for us now. I can understand them if they come from the economic side of it, but if these ideas could fail so badly at the anthropological side, it may also be badly flawed on the economic one too. If it drags around as many if not more hateful, deranged and disconnected folks as the other side, its probably just as flawed.

I refuse to keep beating myself any longer and keep trying to save a boat that's clearly sinking. I'm tired of ideological dogma and bullshit hate that only serves demagogues who live off writing down their hate, ignorance and mental illness and passing it off as a legit course of action to magically make this world perfect.

What side of the political compass I see myself at now? Lets say that, at the moment, I'm a total pragmatist that endorses whatever works to limit the power of states, corrupt private entities, bigots and mob rule, and create wealth for everybody. I'm reading as much as I can about sciences required to understand the world. If somebody labels me as an evil commie or capitalist for not liking my ideas, I don't give a flying fuck.

If I still visit this sub, it is because I see it as one of my few safe havens, I feel at home here even if we don't agree all the time. You guys are arguably the few ones from the other side of the political spectrum I can have deep conversations with and receive empathy from. Even if I get banned, I will still read your stuff.

Wish you the best guys. We're gonna make it. We can make this world a better place, and we'll only achieve that together regardless of which authors we like.

MegaLAG · 2024-11-09T11:22:55+00:00

I've seen how a significant part of the leftists in my country have reacted. Let's just say that I'm seriously contemplating abstention at every future elections for the first time of my life.

astral-mamoth · 2024-11-09T16:43:38+00:00

It’s very sad, the left seems to be out for blood. A lot of communities I was in that were slowly “accepting” or even mildly supporting some of men’s struggles and criticizing misandry have now begun a rapid backslide into misandry. I’ve seen some insane comments.

At first I was thinking of posting here that we should hunker down and be quiet until things calmed down but now seeing how subreddits where men issues were beginning to enter the discourse turn into battlegrounds has thinking me maybe we should try too keep whatever ground we’ve made.

I am not sure, I know that in either case we should probably tune down the message, the left seems to be in disarray and whatever misgivings we might have with our fellow leftist should be let down for now while we prepare for whatever a Trump presidency might bring.

Bryan_Side_Account · 2024-11-10T00:15:12+00:00

A lot of the women in my life are hurting right now. I get it. Abortion is the most consequential women's issue of our time, and every true egalitarian should recognize the danger these new restrictive abortion bans put women in. I'm giving the women in my life space to to express their opinions on this, and showing my support for abortion rights. Because it's the right thing to do.

I'm also rolling my eyes at the way the media keeps nutpicking the worst possible representatives of the male gender in an obvious propaganda campaign to blame Harris's well-deserved loss on the tiny fraction of minority men that would actually not vote for a candidate they agreed with simply because she's a woman. It's actively racist to paint latinos, black men, etc. in such a broad brush like this.

I just. Jeez. We've literally only had two women nominees for president, and they both came with heavy baggage, and they both ran in electoral environments that strongly favored the opposing party. Hillary even managed to win the popular vote! Is it so unbelievable that we might be able to elect a woman president under different circumstances in the future? Harris herself refuses to call people who don't vote for her racist or sexist, so why we still pushing this "swing voters are sexist" narrative? How do people not recognize this narrative as a propaganda tool that absolves Democrats in positions of high power of blame for their failures?

AustinJG · 2024-11-09T03:38:43+00:00

I was going through some bad anxiety. I'm still terrified that we won't come out the other end of this as a democracy. Hopefully, our institutions are still strong enough to hold.

Other than that, I think that this has prompted me to go get my ADHD diagnosis and some needed therapy.

OnenutFellow · 2024-11-09T09:18:59+00:00

Not great....I'm trying to stay informed, but it's depressing. I'm a very poor person with health challenges so it's a scary time but I'm just hoping brace myself to get through this as unscathed as possible so I and everyone else can get to a better place to pick up the pieces and begin to try and move on.

PossumPalZoidberg · 2024-11-09T13:03:42+00:00

Planting trees

Misfit_Toys_2013 · 2024-11-09T02:22:32+00:00

I don’t generally drink but I haven’t been this drunk in years. It has been like a funeral all week at work.

Extreme_Spread9636 · 2024-11-09T18:30:34+00:00

I'm enjoying the ride. We're in a down spiral, because people decided that they are worth more than they actually are and aren't willing to take care of men in our system. One way of another, they're going down with us. I'm just watching everything burn. The fire feels nice.

Poyri35 · 2024-11-09T23:18:43+00:00

The worst part is that, I cannot defend myself because I get associated with a sexist, or racist, or a pedophile or all of the above

It sucks that I cannot give an argument without my comment (or other comments) taking over by these sorts of people.

I must delete Twitter, but it’s hard for some reason. At least the time limiting thing helps a bit. You know what, I’m going to delete it right now. Writing this comment gave me the final motivation!

Easy-Tea-4616 · 2024-11-10T00:38:17+00:00

DEMOCRATS ABANDONED THE BLUE COLLAR WORKERS AND THE WORKING CLASS

AdamChap · 2024-11-09T16:04:09+00:00

I think it's best for all of us right now to avoid most if not of social media

Yeah I think this attitude is making everything worse, for everyone. Everyone is GTOTW.

SentientReality · 2024-11-09T18:56:39+00:00

Thanks for checking in. It's frustrating but I'm trying to allow some space and mild forgiveness for outrage and panic to make people more irrational and blame-happy than usual.

At some point, though, men — especially liberal men — have got to regain their self-respect and stop bowing down and accepting being mistreated. They've got to stop saying "thank you, ma'am, may I have another" after each lashing. Currently, over-enthusiastic self-immolating white knights are dominating liberal circles.

Fickle-Cartoonist466 · 2024-11-09T01:28:40+00:00

I'm relieved it's over, a quick and decisive win was what I was hoping for, regardless of the outcome

Things are going to be great, I really do believe things can get better

Misandrists just don't want to see us happy so they're going to try every thing in their power to tear us down

Averzan · 2024-11-09T02:14:57+00:00

I'm not from the US but I'll say it anyway: I've seen the seethe in social media and at the same time Right-Wingers have been endlessly mocking feminists and women in general. Feminists' reaction to Nick Fuentes baiting them has been genuine comedy gold. At least it shows plenty of users didn't take them and their reaction seriously.

And I unironically think that has been a positive influence.

SerialMurderer · 2024-11-09T04:19:12+00:00

The TV show? Eh, it was okay.

Arietis1461 · 2024-11-09T09:00:36+00:00

I'm hoping this will be a moment of reckoning and have been trying to strike while the iron is hot, but many people are just not listening.

It is extremely frustrating. I might consider dipping out but I fear that if everybody does that they will just wallow in their echo chambers and another four years will be wasted while havoc is wreaked.

Excellent_You5494 · 2024-11-09T02:33:52+00:00

It was a win-win for me.

I voted kamala for healthcare issues.

But the Republicans are much better for men, all men. There's a lot of fear mongering, but as an LGB person, I recognize that it's mostly unfounded.

They're not taking marriage liscenses, they're not killing gays.

They want to make sure sexuality is not taught in schools, and it should be obvious to you if you're a trans person who doesn't pass enough to make women comfortable in the bathroom (i think if you have to pee, you have to pee, but those concerns come from women). The gays will have to make sure their parades are family friendly.

There is less likelihood of a draft under the republicans.

There will be less censorship against adults.

Men's issues will be listened to, might not like the suggestions, but at least they'll be heard.

The Republicans are less likely to freeze our assets if we go on strike in a union.

Etc.

As far as lgbt issues go, my experience has been similar to Dave Rubin's, and I follow Blaire White on most trans issues. The right is quite welcoming to lgbt people, moreso than the democrats in my experience.

throwingawayga · 2024-11-09T17:31:20+00:00

I'm really, REALLY worried about my mom's mental state. She's been an artist and complete Halloween fiend my entire life, and she's throwing away decorations, swearing off doing up the house ever again. Plus, she's talking about selling off her art supplies.

I'm personally doing fine, but she's doing her best to drag my dad and I into the pit with her

kitterkatty · 2024-11-09T18:24:07+00:00

I’m only worried about the weak and the powerless. I went from feeling like the reanimated zombie in overlord who was like this is fine, doesn’t even hurt… to feeling like the German mechanic in Man from UNCLE when Russia and America team up to stop black market weapons deals. Who cares about labels just keep innocent people safe. I am really sad about health coverage and I’m sad about isolated kids in cults. As far as guys, I mean that pic with Caitlyn Jenner we hopeful. I don’t think the majority of Americans really care I think we’re mostly mind your own business but scared of regulations.

InAJam_SoS · 2024-11-09T18:55:48+00:00

Men, young men, especially if your white need to be very, very careful now. You will now be the target even more so than before. Even husbands will be targeted. I think we should especially track the number of divorces that will certainly be spiking in the next year. The family court system in place already makes you a mark in the scheme. Now there will be even more self-justification, anger, revenge to use the system, while it's still enables, supports, incentivizes and rewards them to enact a retribution.

We'll know soon if there are any Leftist/Progressives left who are able to actually self-reflect and take accountability to understand what's happened. Maybe, just maybe, there will enough left with open ears to receive the message, and we can work toward a true Egalitarian society. Hopefully there will be some who will even look up the word Egalitarian and begin using it in conversations moving forward.

But above all right now, Be Careful.

django62293 · 2024-11-09T19:37:20+00:00

I’m concerned for the future (I honestly would have been concerned if Harris had won and I voted for her smh).

At the same time, the crash outs from neo liberals have been pretty entertaining.

kingkool88 · 2024-11-10T05:50:54+00:00

Not in the states but pretty gutted. There are maga people in my country. Some are brainwashed against "the woke movement" but otherwise decent people others are straight up blood thirsty racists although they are the smaller percentage. But they both celebrate a trump win. Which is dumbfounding. The first group haven't even heard of project 2025. I try my best to get them to think and they do for a moment but always eventually go to back to the right-wing megaphone and "both sides" bullshit. But anyways my problems are pretty minute compared to the people actually in the U.S. especially all the people who are minorities. My heart aches for them. But there is literally nothing I can do. I dont trust the election results and can't understand the members of the left trying to appease these openly vindictive arseholes. Wars coming one way or another. Millions will die. The planet is cooked. Peace time is over for the whole world. In Asia/Oceania we will have to deal with an increasingly aggressive china and north Korea. In europe Russia and the rise of the right wing govs throughout Europe. The usa is pretty much going to end up in a civil war guaranteed by the end of next year which may pull other countries in. Yes I think nukes will be used at some point. Its a bleak and dark future for the next 500 years at least. If humanity survives this war they will live against the elements of nature and may take 1000 years more for them to ever even begin to reach the levels of tech we currently have. The only way to avoid this is to somehow overturn the election and arrest trump. I dont hold much hope. But that's all worst case scenario. Sorry for the scar mongering.

Motanul_Negru · 2024-11-10T05:51:03+00:00

I'm pretty far removed from the USA, and I don't mind a good old rousing round of rubbishing the orange man, so it's easier for me. The stupid bastard and the worldwide instability and economic downturn that will come with him are going to kick my wallet in the nuts, but that's probably going to be the worst of it, out here.

Weak_Working8840 · 2024-11-10T06:44:55+00:00

I'm a bernie guy but I like sticking it to dnc so happy tbh

Prophetclip · 2024-11-10T20:38:58+00:00

The fallout of what?

WhyDidntITextBack · 2024-11-11T13:16:14+00:00

Trying to stay offline tbh. It’s hard not to feel resentful with the anti-men sentiments going around stronger than usual

Nochnichtvergeben · 2024-11-09T12:38:36+00:00

Nobody's given me shit for it directly. Don't really care about the extra hate towards men online. People already were assholes to us before. It's nothing new.

AnFGhoster · 2024-11-09T06:17:03+00:00

I'm thoroughly enjoying the coping and seething.

I can worry about the consequences tomorrow, not that they'd be a whole lot different than the other side of the same worthless, clipped coin, tonight I'm laughing my ass off at the assmad libs and femmies.

The future would suck no matter which of the two clowns got in so I'm just enjoying watching it all burn.

Karglenoofus · 2024-11-11T03:19:06+00:00

ITT: not any actual left or male advocates.

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