Lots of Guys on here believe fake “feminist” posts.

Greedy-Ambition6551 · 2024-11-08T01:22:54+00:00

As much as I understand what you’re saying in your post here, OP, I really think you should be telling this to the feminists of Reddit, X etc. as they are the vocal majority of online feminists who peddle this anti-male narrative.

However, you probably know as well as I do, they aren’t willing to so much as listen…

In my experience, feminists are usually the most bitter, nasty and hateful individuals that I’ve had the misfortune of meeting

rabel111 · 2024-11-08T02:28:06+00:00

Another disingenuous "feminist" insisting that feminism (the movement) is not what it is, not what it says, not what it does, but can be clensed of its flaws and crimes by a dictionary definition.

Feminism the movement, has not been advocating for equality for a few decades now. Equality has been replaced with equity, because equity endorses female privilege as a means of reparations, allowing women to remain preferenced in areas where they are no longer discriminated against or marginalised..

Feminism, the brand, is tainted with gender hatred, and no amount of dictionary white-washing will ever remove the stain of gender hatred, bile, and violence.

A sexist pig is a sexist pig. If you advocate for a charity that excludes people on the basis of the color of their skin alone, you are a racist. If advocate for the human rights of people based on their sexual preference alone, you are a bigot.

Why do you think that advocating for the human rights of women is OK, while excluding men who are similarly impacted or more so?

DivertismentChannel · 2024-11-08T05:26:30+00:00

If REAL Feminism exists, where are all the marches made for men’s problems and speaking out for men? There are no things like that. Instead there are Rape Culture protests only for women. I had my trauma mocked by feminists by comparing it with rape, I am being putting in the same pot like the 2% criminals of the male population and I am expected to see the slightest good side of it? Never ever, it’s not only the media, it’s the reality as well

RockyMaiviaJnr · 2024-11-08T01:16:00+00:00

Feminists don’t want actual equality. They only want equality in things where said equality is a benefit to women. So that’s women’s advocacy. Which is fine, but call it what it is.

Also, men and women aren’t equal. Equal means the same. We aren’t the same. We are different. So therefore equality will never exist.

TheNattyJew · 2024-11-08T02:44:35+00:00

You have a misguided idea of what real feminism is. It was always a superiority movement. Equality was never the goal. You personally have the right idea, but you are in the minority. The majority of feminism agrees with "kill all men" and "all men are evil"

No_Mercy_4_Potatoes · 2024-11-08T08:01:17+00:00

OP.....Can I ask you to do a social experiment? Do you mind posting this on feminism or TwoXChromosomes subreddits? I want to see how they react.

Lovebomber777 · 2024-11-08T01:49:57+00:00

Feminism is Misandry and you can't convince a sane person otherwise. When have you ever heard "Respect Men".

Maintenance_Fearless · 2024-11-08T03:05:59+00:00

This whole "real feminism is actually this" gimmick has been going around for decades. And is nothing more than a "no true Scotsman" fallacy.

Feminism is, in its observed and documented nature, a movement which seeks to empower and support women as much as possible, no matter the cost or what detriment to other groups it may bring. That can be good, when they're genuinely oppressed in some cases, or terrifically gynocentric, like in most modern societies.

If you want general equality of the sexes, you are by definition an egalitarian, and that's it.

Mycroft033 · 2024-11-08T03:59:17+00:00

Ah yes, the bi-monthly “no true Scotsman” fallacy post. I was wondering when it would be time for that

Professional-You2968 · 2024-11-08T07:58:04+00:00

Patriarchy is a conspiracy theory.

So if you start from the premise that patriarchy exists you can mask yourself as one of the good feminists as much as you like, but you are still the same as a flat earther.

OsadShadoww · 2024-11-08T01:55:00+00:00

"I'm a feminist because tge dictionary says..." that's a logical fallacy argumentum ad dictionarium, if dictionary says coffee is made of earth it doesn't make it truth, the dictionary describes not prescribe, and depending on the version, the dictionary can give you a different definition because words change, the first meaning of feminism was to describe a medical condition, later was used to insult men who supports the women suffrage

parasiteinLove · 2024-11-08T02:26:23+00:00

It’s not fake feminism when the majority of feminists hold misandrist hatred towards men, it’s just a different type than you believe in. Sadly, the only thing that will make women care about men’s problems is when enough men either drop out of society or kill themselves, society will stop running smoothly

OsadShadoww · 2024-11-08T02:00:46+00:00

You should be calling this to the "fake feminists "

Juan20455 · 2024-11-08T08:12:09+00:00

"The core belief of feminism is “equality of the sexes”" Nah. Women are human, at the end. They only want equality when it suits them. Even in high school, like thirty years ago, I had a debate about equality. Girls "feminists" cared only about equality in the things they had less. Like, why should all men have to die in wars, and women don't? (Like it's happening right now in Ukraine, where men go to die in bloody battles in the Frontline and can't even leave the country when women do?) And no girl ever in that debate wanted equality there.

What about the education gap? Do you see any feminist advocating to do something about it? Even in your own examples, feminists only care about gaps where women lose.

KochiraJin · 2024-11-08T10:06:06+00:00

Feminism to me, and by dictionary definition means “the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes.” so most feminists talk about things like the wage gap, abortion, and sa. Which in my opinion are the most hot topics. Besides women’s rights, one of the most frustrating things I see in Feminist media is the lack of empathy for men.

The wage gap is a result of women's choices, to get rid of it you need to force women to make different ones. I don't think invalidating personal choice in the name of equality is a worthwhile goal. Abortion can only be equalized by banning it due to fundamental differences between male and female reproduction. Assuming that sa stands for sexual assault, that's a human problem not a women's problem. The male victims are just swept under the rug by the establishment feminists, that you correctly point out, lack empathy for men. What good is feminism given that these are the problems they tackle?

Infestedwithnormies · 2024-11-08T03:38:06+00:00

Go police your own instead of telling us to ignore the vitriolic figureheads guiding feminism's misandrist ship.

Humbuglar · 2024-11-08T06:11:58+00:00

I appreciate the message here, but you as an individual do not represent the movement. It may have started as what you describe ( if so using the one sided name of “feminism” was a poor choice) but it has firmly gone the way of hate.

AdamChap · 2024-11-08T16:18:11+00:00

So your idea of feminism is correct but everyone else is wrong?

You have to understand the amount of these "true feminists" we've met and spoken to. I don't agree with any of them, they are just making excuses for label they want to keep - a label that represents an 100 year old ideology that formulated itself in a completely different time.

jadedlonewolf89 · 2024-11-08T04:23:58+00:00

The irony here is that women were against the right to vote, until the responsibilities for having that right were removed. I.e. not being drafted to war, or having to fight in war, not having to serve as a police officers, or fire fighters. Benefit without responsibility is not equality.

Women’s suffrage movement was built on a lie, that lady only got the job at the factory long enough for that picture to be taken. That movement wasn’t for working class women either. Men, Women, and Children were working at that period of time.

But sure feminism and the Suffrage movement are and were based on equality. Ironically enough what’s codified into those two movements has a lot in common with Marxism. But you know we should just ignore that as well, even though we know exactly how Marxist movements turn out.

Then there is the rewriting of history and outright BS that’s spouted about historic laws and regulations. How the movement outright ignores that men and children were also tortured, killed, and burned alive during certain historic events. Like the Salem witch trials, Spanish Inquisition and many more. Sad truth is that’s still the case to this day. Have everybody up in arms about the 200 girl children held hostage in the Middle East while no one seems to have given a shit about the 1000s of boys that were held hostage, killed, or sold into sex slavery.

Lastly there is the fact that Feminists go out of their way to get any MRA or male only events/programs shut down.

Say what you want but the feminist movement has proven, time and time again that they are not about equality and never have been.

Even funnier is the fact that the guy who created the MRA was a devout feminist and got kicked out of the movement for saying that men need help too.

Go ahead and let that sink in.

Lastly cause I think people need to hear and or read this. The greatest trick Feminism pulled. Was to make us believe in a gender war, when it’s actually been a class war the whole time.

DeadSkullMonkey · 2024-11-08T18:44:17+00:00

It's called FEMenism for a reason and not humanism. It's one sided🤷‍♀️

Ciel_Phantomhive_45 · 2024-11-08T03:41:31+00:00

Whats your age? 20? 30? 40? 50? 60?

This feminism movement was weird from the beginning. But the more years passed, the less it was about equality. The masks were torn decades ago. My mother who was an active journalist and was in contact with feminists (not like social media contact of today.), there were some genuine people who just wanted the choice of freedom. Even if that choice just included being a home-maker. (which for the record, feminists straight up look down on. Who even gave them that right?)

However, on the other hand, even a couple of decades ago, she could see that the movement just didnt meet the 'dictionary definition'. If you look at the history, you will realise, that it never actually did. If they wanted equality, then equal pay never made sense. People dont work equally. How can the pay be equal. In the first place, the gender wage pay gap doesnt even take into account the hours worked, EVEN TODAY. They just count the yearly income of similar job holders while ignoring that men often work 2 to 4 hours more than women per day.

Feminism is basically created on a pile of lies.

The simple truth is, its meant to destroy society. To divert people's attention from actual problems like corporations exploiting people and so on. Once people are divided, they dont have the strength to rise in revolt anymore. None of the governments or corporations want stuff like french revolution to happen.

And they were largely successful. The society has collapsed in the west. No family support, no familial ties. Only selfish people who dont even think about their spouses. Whats worse, is that that rot has already invaded east as well.

So much so, that my own family has been intensely harmed by it.

So stop clinging to imaginary 'good' feminism. Its literally there to destroy family system and to make us weak and busy in fighting each other.

MrMuscle-27 · 2024-11-08T01:00:21+00:00

Absolutely true. Most modern feminists live lives of sheer hypocrisy. I recommend reading sally miller Gearhart's wikipedia page about why modern feminists think this way

phoenician_anarchist · 2024-11-08T07:30:24+00:00

Feminism to me, and by dictionary definition [...]

And that's where you will lost the majority of people. I'm sure someone will paste Karen's post about "real Feminists", or you can look it up yourself ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The core belief of feminism is “equality of the sexes”.

Even your "dictionary definition" disagrees with you.

I do think there’s some stuff here people don’t understand or at least don’t try to understand, and that’s not a jab, that’s my opinion from what I’ve seen.

I hope that, one day, you will open your eyes and see Feminism for what it truly is.

I’m sure I’m preaching to the choir, but there’s a reason men choose more violent and successful forms of suicide than women.

The thing about that, though, is that they don't. The reason men's suicide attempts are more likely to be "successful" is because they actually intend to kill themselves. The whole "women attempt more" narrative is a load of old bollocks that was cooked up in an attempt to make suicide a women's issue. Also, consider that this is yet another way to shit on men by suggesting that they're inherently more violent.

Things like this are why people here tend to have a negative opinion of Feminists. Even in your "I'm a real Feminist that totally cares about men too, unlike the vast majority of other Feminists" segment, you can't help but parrot their anti-male narratives. Did you even realise that that was what you were doing?

Women propitiate the patriarchy [...]

This has to be one of the best swypo's that I've seen in a while, I might even steal that. 🤣🤣🤣

monkeyninja6969 · 2024-11-08T19:22:09+00:00

I'd die before I ever bore the label of feminist. Maybe it's because I'm not sexist and racist, which, let's not kid ourselves, feminism is all about weaponized sexism and racism. Fuck that noise, fuck feminism, fuck feminists, and fuck their movement. The wage gap is a myth, it's been proven mathematically, and if the patriarchy were real then women wouldn't be allowed to bitch about it.

In conclusion, FUCK FEMINISM, and all of it's sexist, racist lies.

vivi112 · 2024-11-08T13:22:37+00:00

The existence of "good Nazis" in third Reich is not enough to call their movement good lol. It's the same with feminism. We judge a movement based on the measurable results it gave and they are very far from definition of equality. We all know that you would be called "pick-me" if you wrote all of it on feminist subs. It's very convenient to call other feminists fake in desperation to pretend like this movement has any redeeming qualities in modern times.

TheRandomGuyX · 2024-11-08T19:18:18+00:00

Already preparing for the next elections, huh? This sub is now full of femcel trolls, trying to convince us we should care about their problems. There are no good or bad feminists, they all want to exploit men for their "rights", even if they tell otherwise.

I hope people won't buy this bullshit, unless feminists actually start doing something for men, like educating their own for starters and showing them errors and double standards of their ways.

LeaderOfTheBeavers · 2024-11-08T20:13:21+00:00

No True Scotsman...

Why don't you try reading the things the most prominent feminists in the world actually say about men, then tell me the ideology you espouse is about equality and fair treatment.

HonestlyKindaOverIt · 2024-11-08T11:18:42+00:00

Good faith question here - Could you expand on one of your points? You say you think there’s some things people here don’t understand. Could you give an example? I’m curious if it’s not understanding or just disagreeing.

Appropriate-Use3466 · 2024-11-08T21:17:02+00:00

Feminism is misandry not because of its intention but because of its worldview. Patriarchy Theory is the basis for Feminism. So if you want equality as intention but your worldview is that men are privileged and/or the only responsable for their own oppression, then your intention is necessarily informed by this worldview. To compensate an inexistent privilege is equality in intention but oppression and discrimination is results. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Because good intentions with ignorance of how is reality creates hell on earth. The sleep of reason produces monsters.

marchingrunjump · 2024-11-08T22:31:40+00:00

I think women should grow up. Stop giving a pass to peers when things do not add up.

I know women are perfectly capable of understanding the world without resorting to conspiracy theories about “men have all the power”. Looking at the genitalia of people with stars on their shoulders is not a proper analysis of power. And subsequently responsibility.

Also do get a better grip on the concept of aggression and violence. There’s subtle and hidden ways of hurting an opponent and crude and overt. The crude and overt are way easier to counter than the subtle and hidden.

I would guess that more men are subject to coercive control than women. Richard Bucket may well be patient but how many men are kept in line by their Hyacinth’s subtle actions?

Today there was a thread about a late 20-ies wife that felt in her good right to forbid her husband to have his friends over. They allegedly voted for the wrong president. The striking thing is that no-one called her out for wanting to control her husbands social circle.

Imagine a man trying to tell his wife that she can’t invite feminist friends over.

Sininenn · 2024-11-09T03:09:30+00:00

You know nothing about feminism, if you fall for the lie that 'feminism is about equality'.

It is not.

random_ginger16 · 2024-11-09T03:57:06+00:00

First of all, thank you for coming here with respect and wanting a fair and open conversation. I don’t believe feminism as a movement is actually about equality, and we will definitely disagree about that, but I appreciate that you come here as an individual with an open mind that’s willing to talk to men. Even if it gets you some flak feminists (and some rude remarks on here) as im sure it does. IMO, that a showing of your character.

The part feminism gets wrong is that if there is a “patriarchy”, women perpetuate it just as much as men, if not more. Something you definitely touched on in your post.

If im to share a story, and ex of mine that called me the f slur for the G in LGBT, for telling her about how I had been SAd, after she asked me to open up about that.

“I’m not your therapist!”

“You’re such a fg**.”

“What am i supposed to do with this info?”

This woman had the nerve to post how members of the LGBT community might be harmed after Trump won the election.

The biggest advocates for feminism are some of the biggest perpetrators of “patriarchy”. These women exist in your movement and are NOT uncommon. Dare I say over 50%. The hypocrisy is mind boggling. That’s why men, and especially young men don’t respect feminism. The same women that shame them for having feelings and demand men’s patriarchal values in private then virtue signal and say all the savvy new “anti patriarchy”/feminist talking points in public and on social media.

I will be the first to admit men as a group are NOT perfect and we need to always be improving ourselves as individuals while holding our male circle accountable.

However, it’s destructive to your own life to take the advice of feminists. It will get you used and abused, feeling insecure, weak, and questioning your own self worth. That is the problem that needs fixing. If feminism can figure it out men will get on board.

However that shift in the collective consciousness would be so massive I believe feminism would start to quickly die out as an ideology.

EmbarrassedLaw6561 · 2024-11-09T04:01:51+00:00

Awesome. Another misandrist apologist post. Those feminists are real feminists. They dominate the online discourse with feminism. I know what you're trying to do but it is what it is.

Global-Brother3274 · 2024-11-08T17:56:30+00:00

I appreciate your post. I should note the wage gap has been debunked numerous times - when you adjust for working hours/qualification men and women earn the same.

Someone earlier had said "you're an egalitarian, not a feminist", and I believe they're correct.

If most feminists don't actually care about true equality, is feminism truly about equality of the sexes?

Men are more systematically discriminated in western society (reasoning below) yet feminists don't care about any of that despite "being pro-equality."

Men are systematically discriminated more because men don't have:

Rights to their own bodies (forced conscription to the army)
- I lean towards pro-choice, yet also recognize women in the vast majority of cases have some choice in whether or not to get pregnant - men have no choice in having their lives taken away in war.
Men are discriminated against by the legal system (for the same crime men are more likely to go to jail and spend more time in prison vs. Women)
Child custody / family court discrimination
Are not counted in sex crime stats when the woman is a rapist/SA perpetrator - allowing for incorrect stats and leniency to female perpetrators
Much more....

Main-Tiger8593 · 2024-11-08T06:43:08+00:00

feminism vs mens rights activism

tilldeathdoiparty · 2024-11-08T01:55:12+00:00

I think we should also realize that the lens of Reddit and social media are not even close to the accurate representation of women in general.

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Tiny-Fall-4040 · 2024-11-09T03:09:16+00:00

I'd just call you a Women's Rights Advocate. The definition of feminism you describe is gone and tons of feminists are misandrists.

lifelonglearner22698 · 2024-11-08T06:01:41+00:00

I appreciate this post because I empathize with the feeling of being in the middle. I (26M) have and likely always will be a strong supporter of women. I think I could comfortably call myself a feminist for that back in high school and college, but lately it’s tough to wear the label. There’s too much hate, assumptions, generalizations, etc. A lot of the feminist stuff I started seeing got me out of those communities FAST. It might’ve even been part of the reason I started reading r/MensRights. That being said, I also started seeing a lot of hate on here too, and some of it was understandable and some of it I had a hard time agreeing with. In any case, I felt sad seeing that on both sides of this, people were feeling unseen and uncared for by the other side. And yes, I’ll agree that there’s straight-up misandrists and misogynists that exist in this world, but it’s not the true core of feminism or men’s rights. OP, feminism isn’t about hating on all men for issues (sometimes) influenced by men. Equally, supporting men’s rights isn’t about hating on feminists when they’re being stupid. I hope that more people read your post and realize that supporting one group doesn’t require putting down another. Thanks for this

skllyskullstyle · 2024-11-09T00:09:52+00:00

Bingo!

Title	Lots of Guys on here believe fake “feminist” posts.
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