Your height is not an excuse.

Concord_Fight · 2014-11-02T09:06:14+00:00

I posted This http://www.reddit(DOT)com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2ehvup/simple_score_for_sexual_interest_from_women/ on this subreddit awhile ago. No one seemed to think it was valid. I wasn't convinced, am still not convinced. I think I'm pretty spot on. I think it gives a good ball park estimate to where you should consider yourself.

One of the main problems seems to be that a lot of people don't know what LEAN body mass seems to mean. The other main problem is that people underestimate their body fat percentage.

The equation is something like

(LM over 100/5) + ((20-BF%)/2)

To figure this out, all you need to know is your body fat % and your weight. So, If you're 200 pounds and 20% body fat, you'll have 160 pounds of lean mass, and you'll get no more points from BF% since 20-20=0. Your score is then (60/5)+0= 12 points.

If you're only 125 pounds of Lean Mass at 6% body fat, so 133 pounds overall then 25/5 + (20-6)/2 = 12 pounds

So, according to my guesstimate, a 133 pound man at 6% body fat is roughly as attractive as a 200 pound man at 20% body fat.

Coincidentally, both guys I linked were 5'10''. The 200 pound guy has the best ability for quickly upping his attractiveness though, with a good cut.

Anyway, the reason this is valid for height: Your height is going to affect your lean body mass. Someone at 6'2'' and 160 is rail thin, while someone at 5'2'' 160 is jacked. This is reflected in lean body mass. I'd guess for every inch someone has, they have about another (probably less, more like 3, but 5 is easy) 5 pounds of lean body mass for free. To make up for that, shorter guys have to be in better shape, and there's o way around it.

Let's say it's 3 pounds per inch. Guy A is 5 inches taller than Guy B. They're both 10% body fat, but Guy A is 167 pounds, whereas Guy B is 150 pounds. They both get 5 points for BF%, but, though they have the same amount of musculature, Guy B gets 3 more points for lean body mass. Guy A has 15 points, and Guy B has 12 points.

This Guy, in great shape, but he's only 146 pounds because he's 5'7''. At 8% body fat he gets 15 points.

But look at this guy Really big guy. Probably about 20% body fat though. He gets no points there, but he's 229 pounds because he's 6'3''. My guesstimate gives him ~185 pounds, so 17 points. The 5'7 guy clearly has the 'better' body, the body type women would prefer, and if it was on a 6'3'' dude, the other one would have no chance, but because it's on the 5'7'' dude, the 6'3'' one wins.

By my equation, the 5'7'' guy would probably need about one whole year to put on another 10 pounds to make up the gap between him and the 6'3'' one. Meanwhile, the 6'3'' guy could lose 11 pounds, ~5 weeks, and gain another three attractiveness points.

So, yeah, being tall is an unfair advantage, but in most cases, not insurmountable. At 6'1'' my own system only gives me 9.5 points, and so the 146 pounds guy has me beat by 5.5 points. That is, even at 5'7'', you should be able to beat the majority of 6 foot guys by being in excellent shape, but you'll never compete with a 6' guy in excellent shape anymore then I'll complete with a 6'5'' guy in excellent shape if I ever get in shape myself.

Hyajuko · 2014-11-02T09:16:47+00:00

How many guys get all the girls anyway? I know tall guys who are still virgins and short guys who've been with a lot of girls but that doesn't mean that it's not a legitimate issue. If you're not a short guy (I'm 5'3 and Asian) then I don't think you have any idea how much fucking effort and perseverance it takes. In total I've been with 5 girls in my life and my current gf is 2 inches taller but it's not as easy as "wah you're short don't complain". There's too much risk and so much effort even when you have a girl you have a lot of predator-like guys who'll try to one-up you because they think they can have your girl.

AmazonExplorer · 2014-11-02T04:54:33+00:00

5'4" represent

Anyone else?

Btw OP, I hope you are also short, because if you aren't you don't have the ethos to be making such statements, even though I agree with your message.

One of the basic ideas of Stoicism in Epictetus' Enchiridion is that to achieve happiness, one must identify what is within one's control, and what is not.

Stop stressing about things out of your control and learn to cope with them. Take control, of what you do control.

SrirachaEnema · 2014-11-02T09:04:58+00:00

I have a friend who is about 5'4'' who regularly fucks the most attractive women I've ever seen with essentially no effort. He's extremely fit, very chill, funny, has no ego, but great confidence. I aspire to reach this guy's level.

Height is real, but there are ways around it.

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alclarkey · 2014-11-02T05:36:03+00:00

I'm telling you short guys, don't go too far with the whole "accepting yourself" mindset. Swallow your pride and get some insoles. Find the tallest heeled boots that aren't completely obvious. Perfect your posture. Get a hairstyle that adds a few centimeters to your outline.

Women have absolutely no issue with hiding their flaws beneath a layer of makeup for a higher perceived SMV. You shouldn't either. Height is a MASSIVE factor of female attraction and a MASSIVE disadvantage to overcome. You can't do much but DO do everything within your power.

randyquestions · 2014-11-02T14:35:13+00:00

I'm curious to know at what interval of height does your height stop mattering? I honestly think that 5'10 - 6' is the perfect height.

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ShekelBanker · 2014-11-02T08:07:16+00:00

6' 0" guy here, I feel for all my short lads out there: there is no point being concerned about something that you can't change.

OutThisLife · 2014-11-02T15:30:53+00:00

5'6 here. I don't even think about it and I've never had issues so long as I kept my frame.

Make yourself successful, keep your confidence, and don't get walked on. Easy?

deville05 · 2014-11-02T10:41:36+00:00

I'm 5.6. I used to never think about height as a hindrance till I met my ex girlfriend in my blue pill days. She was 5.9 or 5.10. It didn't make me insecure that she was taller, it made me insecure that she would cheat/leave me for someone taller and fitter than me. She didn't, Cuz she was nice that way and rightfully she should have because that insecurity was just unattractive, and after a couple of years of dating I got over height issues. Why? Cuz I was short and I got me a taller girlfriend and was funking unlike taller guys i knew who had no action. Now I don't even think about height as a factor. Fuck it, being tall has really no use that can't be worked around other than a couple of extra points of smv. But those couple of years that I was insecure caused a lot of problem between us. It wasn't my height. It was my insecurity. If you are short and indifferent to it and have confidence, you will look like yr champ in her eyes.

Transmigratory · 2014-11-02T15:20:15+00:00

Agreed. Though you'll find this issue is like race, people will still rather latch on that "disadvantage" rather than focusing on what they can change. It is easier to complain about what you cannot change than it is to do something about what you can change.

But there is nothing you can do about that.

Well... I don't know. Like with penis size, some guys can do shit like penis enlargement if it really is psychologically damaging to their frame. People, if height is REAAAAAALLLLLY getting them down can do something about that via surgery*.

*A 5'6 guy went onto being 5'10. Another went from 5'6 onto being 6ft.

Obviously you need money.

Now if you think such things really limit you, ask yourself: "would I go through this procedure?" If the answer is yes then do it, or get some sort of psychological help prior (pain and costs, obviously not considered).

If you say "no". Then stop whining and listen to the OP.

nouveaugosse · 2014-11-02T17:04:06+00:00

5'8'' and no one has ever said shit about my height. I've fucked plenty of girls the same height or taller than me. No one cares. This idea of height being so intimately linked with SMV is bullshit. What it really comes down to is confidence.

This all goes back to your adolescence. If you're short as an adult you were probably a shorter kid growing up. During adolescence you may have been picked on because of your height. You definitely noticed your taller more mature looking peers getting all the girls. You need to squash that mindset; high school is over. If you continue to lack confidence because of your height it will affect your success with women and success in your career. Get over it.

Unless you're short level Danny DeVito it's not that big of an issue. Start lifting, shorter guys have the advantage in strength...usually. Work on yourself, improve yourself and stop worrying about things you can't control. If you're confidence is where it should be a 5'6'' guy can bang the same chicks a 6'2'' master race can. Stop whining.

JusticeCakes · 2014-11-02T20:55:27+00:00

Height is relative anyways, no girl is walking out there with measuring tape.

I am solid/honest 5'9". The last girl I spoke with about my height put me at 5'11" because she thought she was 5'9" when she was about 5'7". I've seen a girl get measured for her drivers license in heels, and they recorded the number as her height - she really thought that was her height. People, let a lone girls, delude themselves with their height. A guy will truly believe he is 6ft tall, even though he really is 5'10."

Unless you're an extreme - 5'6 and lower, it's not that big of a deal for most girls. I think it becomes a mental health issue at that point, because if you can't get a girl at that height, it's other things that need working on.

FullRedvolution · 2014-11-03T04:21:14+00:00

Height is like dick size. If you're shorter than average it's a negative. If you're average height it's neither a negative nor a positive. If you're tall it's a bonus. And of course there are "height-queens" out there who only want 6+ ft guys.

gideonrakthor · 2014-11-02T15:06:59+00:00

Ive had guys tell me I am short at 5'11"... Everyone will fucking throw shit at you the moment they see you as a threat/take interest(women) its best to just develop an abundance mentality and remember, Fuck Everyone.

ubiety · 2014-11-02T15:37:23+00:00

I pointed this out in the NYC post, and although some members agreed, I wasn't in the majority. When guys claim height gives a man an absolute advantage over a shorter guy, you're missing the overall point of taking TRP. From personal experiences in my beta high school and early college days, my 6'0 height didn't do shit for me. At the time I acted "small" and "unassuming". Girls pick up on the littlest insecurities, and for a lot of short guys its their height. They'll shit test you about it and they go out of their way to make you feel like shit about it. How do I know as slightly taller male? Because female nature remains the same. Hypergamous sluts don't give two fucks about your feelings, and will feel extremely inconvenience by your presence if you don't hold frame and take her short comments personally and instead of agree and amplify or ignore as you should be doing. If being short makes you so insecure about being strong as fuck, being interesting - hell being a bad ass motherfucker - everything else doesn't matter and won't help you. You're already put of the game through your own means.

The truth is if you're 6'3, 225 lbs, white, ripped, handsome, rich and have a great personality, you're going to pull any girl you want with a little game. You're a rarity and your rarity makes you desirable. Being a 5'6, 200 lbs Filipino fat fuck doesn't help you get supermodels. In reality, you could probably pull landwhales with a little game with those stats. But if a 5'6, 150 pound ripped as fuck boxing champ Manny Pacquiao, you could have the pick of the litter just on fame alone. Tom Cruise is 5'7 and can probably fuck whatever girl he chooses. Height doesn't matter as much as your frame around women. I'm not saying its a non factor, or trivializing your hardships, but if you get butt hurt whenever someone belittles short people, your victim complex oozes and your shortness defines who you are. Fucking ignore it and focus on something you can change.

Example time, I have a housemate who's 5'5 and Mexican. He has a very noticeable victim complex and compensates by having huge Napoleon complex. He constantly fighting people who attack his being and openly despises white people for all of their advantages over him. He goes out of his way to correct me when I'm "wrong", though I hold frame and he backs down when he sees his little battle not going anywhere. He lifts, decent looking and otherwise can stand out in a crowd on his personality, but it's still clear from every girl interaction I've seen him attempt that he tries to get with low value women and settles for land whales because of his perceived lack of self-worth. If he tweaked his interactions, didn't get pissy whenever girls shit test him on his height and practiced game more, he could easily get laid by more desirable women. Instead, he chooses to have low standards and act like a little bitch, almost in a self fulfilling prophecy sort of way.

It's not easy being short, but it's definitely more rewarding working toward and achieving success because of your perceived disadvantages, like height, ugliness or poorness. Obviously there's some limits you could never push past, but why settle for less? Why choose the easy Blue Pill path? Why continue to rage and comment on height disadvantages when you can't change shit about your physical height number? Like my roommate, I know several guys who command a room despite their height. They also get laid because their charisma and sharp personalities. Back in my blue pill days, an attractive girl passed me up for a less attractive, shorter guy (5'8) simply for his overwhelming charisma and story telling abilities.

Keep making progress men, there's no excuse for your future weaknesses, you have all of now to prevent them from getting progressively worse.

a_nus · 2014-11-02T23:51:08+00:00

Being 5'6", buff, and well dressed will always be better than being 5'6", skinny, and dressed by your mom.

sdflkjeroi342 · 2014-11-02T10:03:49+00:00

I'm a 5'8" half-Asian half-white dude with skin issues, average facial aesthetics and a very average build (never been skinny, only started working out recently). I've had an active sex life starting from the age of 15, with everything from 3's to 10's.

Height/race is only an issue if you let it be. Get a sense of humor and learn to talk to people. Add a few RP core values (not giving a fuck and getting fit) and you're home free.

ruboski · 2014-11-02T12:05:08+00:00

Girlfriend constantly said to me that she'd never date anyone shorter than her, right before she dated me.

Now it's all good.

Height does change a lot of things, but you can make up for it in other ways. (e.g. being social, high value, attractive, etc.)

oldredder · 2014-11-02T17:31:36+00:00

Fact is height matters to dudes and chicks. If you're short and you even try to be assertive, people think you have short man syndrome. People don't take short dudes seriously. I'm 5'11" and I see short dudes get dissed all the time.

anonlymouse · 2014-11-02T06:02:18+00:00

Keep in mind if you're short that some girls prefer a guy who isn't significantly taller than her. That's a minority, but there are some girls you'll get that they won't. Make yourself more attractive to the ones you can get, don't worry about the ones you can't do anything about.

[deleted] · 2014-11-02T15:45:48+00:00

I often have to be reminded that I'm 5'3". People also seem to notice it less often, or at least not bring it up for some reason, since I've forgotten. It's like they have other things to focus on or something.

thredditsowaway · 2014-11-02T16:35:39+00:00

I'm an average-height guy who used to have an unreasonable amount of height insecurity. I don't know what being 5'2 is like, but I know what feeling 5'2 is like, if that makes sense.

Height obviously matters. But I've met enough short, but sexually successful men to know that it isn't the only thing that matters. Height confers an instant advantage of appearing more powerful, dominant, and imposing. What all of the successful short men I've met have in common is that they find other ways to express those traits. Most of them also work on their SMV in other areas (some even don't, and still get laid).

Yes, they get rejected for their height sometimes. Yes, with every extra inch, they'd get fewer height-based rejections. That means they wouldn't have to make as many approaches to get laid if they were a little taller. So? They just approach more.

If you're short and you went out to get laid last night, approached a girl, and she laughed at you for being short so you went home, you cannot say that you didn't get laid because you're short. You might have needed to approach 100 women to get laid. Therefore your reason for not getting laid is actually that you didn't approach 100 women. If you were 3 inches taller, that number might only be 50. If you were another 3 inches taller, that number might only be 10. So, go talk to 100 girls.

Hunter mentality. It isn't productive to blame your height. You can't get all upset that the other guy is getting more kills because he found a longer stick to turn into a spear, or you'll go hungry. No one cares that it's unfair, no one will help you. This same mentality applies to every insecurity you can name, by the way. So go try your hardest to shove your wood into some fresh meat (giggity).

Transmigratory · 2014-11-02T16:44:52+00:00

I'm going to go out on a limb and say, like with race, a good chunk of this subreddit already has its mind made up with height.

No point in discussing the theory and trying to convince each other: just go out and embrace TRP.

NoFatChicks88 · 2014-11-02T17:22:56+00:00

If marriage isn't your endgame anyway then you shouldn't consider yourself too much with trying to be picture perfect for a woman. Improve what you can and live confidently and get the best life has to offer you. I wish I could experience the lifestyle billionaires are used to but it's pretty clear that will never happen, but I'm okay with it. Still proud of who I am and what I've accomplished.

Noble_toaster · 2014-11-02T04:39:40+00:00

This sounded a lot more profound in your head. Does it shatter your inner being that some people were so grossly ashamed of being short that they dared to make a reddit comment about it? Dramatic much.

Hokuto199x · 2014-11-02T13:44:20+00:00

I hate that short sub. It's such a pity party. I'm 5'7" and I'm like...okay this is the height I am. Let's do what we can. Instead of being all "but it's not FAIR" blah blah. The victim status is for hamsters, guys.

russianwarrier · 2014-11-02T13:16:52+00:00

This thread reads like twox. Bunch of whining pussies.

Cancionanimal · 2014-11-02T05:31:06+00:00

5´7 Here, never had issues with women. It s all in your head.

Shaft-of-Patriarchy · 2014-11-02T10:49:22+00:00

Meh, said it before and I'll say it again, being short is an excuse that men use to "explain" their failures.

Being tall is one arrow in your quiver. And not even a tremendously powerful one.

The rules change.

These days, in my generation and younger, women seem to be getting shorter, and men taller.

There was a time when 6'2, as I turned out to be, was 'very tall'. Now its barely just above average. I find about half of men who are younger than me are at least as tall.

Women on the other hand, whilst there are some exceptions, the hottest girls seem to be getting shorter. The HB10s aren't 5'7 and above. They're 4'11-5'4.

Now. Being at the absolute extremes won't help anyone. If you're 7'0 tall you probably will struggle to be anything other than a novelty, if you're 5'0 you legit are too short.

But the perfect height to be, in order to pull in the hottest girls, is around the average.

Women are no longer chasing the Jean Claude Van Dammes of the world. Not en masse. Not like they did.

They chase the kind of little pricks who resemble their favourite pop star, and they are almost always under 6'0 almost always have little to no mass (because it would fuck up the lines of their clothes, naturally) and have stupid quiffy haircuts.

Will you get quality tail being tall? Sure. Plenty.

Will you get the absolute best tail, against a guy of equal SMV in all other areas who is 5'9 rather than 6'3? No. He's going to win quite a lot of the time. Sorry to break it to you.

This myth pervades because short guys badly want it to be true. If their height is what's causing them not to get laid, well its not their fault. Blame it on an unchangeable variable and place it outside of your control.

Well no, sorry, stop hamstering, its a woman's game and its not befitting you.

vandaalen · 2014-11-02T06:14:55+00:00

I noticed this too.

If the first thing that comes to your mind when watching this video is, that you have to start bitching about the guys height, you've probably got bigger problems than your physical appearance.

Of course height matters, as do age, jawlines, race, money, clothes, witiness, confidence and so on. The "secret" is that it's the overall package that determines your value and that you just need to make up for the flaws you cannot change by maximizing everything else.

Whatever you do, one thing is for sure. Jealousy and envy aren't sexy and won't get you any girl and surely not the hot ones you desire the most.

Don't believe me? Don't tell me, tell Verne Troyer instead.

homesquash · 2014-11-02T10:16:54+00:00

I'm a tall guy and I prefer shorter girls to be honest. Being able to chuck them about is good fun.

Why is it that being taller is more attractive though? Genuine question.

VoidInvincible · 2014-11-02T10:50:24+00:00

5'9 right here. Wish I was a baller, wish I was a little bit taller. Hell, I'd even take one more foot. 5'10 would be fantastic. 5'9...its just so completely average, ya know? But hey, it could be worse, and I've got a good, lean frame, and pull pretty well. So I just lift, and pull. Not much to do about your height, might as well accept it. As Kevin Hart said on TMZ, in regards to his height, its he may be short physically, but up here, (in the head) I'm 6'2. Confidence is all that matters.

sonu_ · 2014-11-02T11:13:11+00:00

mother fucking mother fuck better mother fucking fuck, I fucking swear captcha: whence getisto

oldredder · 2014-11-02T12:39:12+00:00

Looks matter. Ugly men will get less play.

Height matters. Shorter men will seem less dominant.

Race matters. Not being white can suck sometimes.

You know what else matters? A whole bunch of shit you can control like your muscles, your hobbies, how you employ your intellect, your occupation, your wardrobe, your demeanor, and your confidence.

foldpak111 · 2014-11-02T06:44:08+00:00

5'5" checking in. Had babes fighting over me in grade school. Even stole one from a guy who was over six foot. Come at me tall bros. But not too hard cos back currently sore from deadlift. I can feel all the short bros in denial "op is trolling" brb trolling my Colombian gf

seedang · 2014-11-02T10:28:38+00:00

Someone post the youtube of that short ass dude doing pickup and crushing it. I'm on mobile and can't link it

revengeofthecrazy · 2014-11-02T16:58:50+00:00

Don't overrate height. I'm 6.4 and I've seen it as a disadvantage all my beta life, because 1) I was extremely skinny and 2) because I had a hunched posture. When you are skinny, being tall works against you. My height would be threatening to people, and I'd read that as a negative sign. I kept trying to make myself appear smaller to be more approachable and less threatening. If only I had known better.

I've been lifting for 6 years now but I'm still working on my posture. Height only works for you if you know how to use it. When you stick out, you need to be able to take the extra attention. Being tall and acting like a beta bitch is worse than acting like a beta bitch and being average because you end up being twice as awkward.

No excuses, there's 2 sides to every coin.

oldredder · 2014-11-03T05:09:37+00:00

"You're never going to reach supermodel levels of attractiveness if you're 5'6". That's a RP truth."

Is it??

I remember in 2008 a 9/10 Korean girl at work flat out saying I looked like a super-model. She wasn't joking. That doesn't mean I am or think I am but as long as she's serious that's good enough for me.

At the time I was more fit than I am now, too, filled out a tight t-shirt just fine. Used to work out constantly, was eased up a bit then due to an injury (leg, back, car crash) but still working the upper body plenty. And it didn't go unnoticed, and not just with her.

5'3"

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