Q4RP: What happens when all the men in the world are practicing TRP advice?

Mr_Smoogs · 2018-05-14T17:14:49+00:00

I would say yes. Every man can pursue low-parental investment mating strategies. How successful they are is relative though. In your hypothetical, 20% of the men are now simply more alpha than the others.

The reason why RP works so well for men is because average dudes are fucking schlubs. If you go to the gym 6 times a week, have a decent career, are sober and get a nice haircut and wardrobe, you are solidly 80th percentile IMO.

Most men won't do it, but if every man did, women would then focus on the 20% of men who did it the best.

paccount112 · 2018-05-14T18:58:10+00:00

I know if I'm driving in traffic, and I cut into the turning lane, I can get ahead of everyone else and cut in front, saving me commute time.

If everyone does it, then it just makes a greater congestion point.

Just like anything, exploit a system for short term benefit, too many people will drag the benefit to 0

cholomite · 2018-05-14T17:53:18+00:00

The red pill is just the laws of nature, explained. The current narrative that humans have created is that we are somehow, "above" nature, which isn't true. So, in my opinion, I think it would just reflect human history.

Men fight each other for power, women give themselves to powerful men to reproduce. Eventually, the powerful men in charge realize they can get more power by harnessing the lower tier men by providing them with women in exchange for loyalty and work.

The women are encouraged to pair off 1 on 1 with men, via societal or religious pressures, and a civilization is formed under "the patriarchy".

Women don't like this system, because they would rather be free to fuck the powerful guys only, but that destabilized society because the undesirable men are dangerous to the powerful men because (by the laws of female attraction) there will always be more undesirable men than desirable men. This is where feminism comes in, which in my opinion is women trying to bring us back to our more primal roots, where men are encouraged more to engage against each other, and women are free to become part of a powerful guys (soft)harem.

Eventually the threat from the low status guys will become too much, the powerful man will institute a series of societal changes that will encourage women to he monogamous with a low tier man in order to stabilize his society and increase his power. Wash, rinse repeat.

blackedoutfast · 2018-05-14T17:39:15+00:00

it won't ever happen in real life. the majority of men will make excuses and rationalize staying on the beta path.

but if you create some artifical environment where all the men are high SMV alpha male Chads, women will just come up with higher and higher standards and new ways to distinguish some of those men as "better" than the rest. the real driver in this is natural female competition and hypergamy and group consensus. if every man is a Chad, the women will all want to have the Chaddiest Chads. no woman wants to be with the least wanted guy in the room, because that means she is the least attractive woman in the room.

crackrocksteady7 · 2018-05-14T17:11:46+00:00

That's a fun question. I doubt anyone has ever run a study. Put 100 women with 100 7/10+ liftbros on an island, do they pair off or does gigachad get a harem with anal on demand and our 7/10 5'8 incels kill everyone with homemade spears?

The closest you'll get to seeing this naturally will be closed frat stuff

Mattcwu · 2018-05-14T17:20:31+00:00

What happens when all the men in the world are practicing TRP advice?

A never-ending competition for "self-improvement". At some point though, people will give up on self-improvement and just work to redefine what self-improvement means. Eventually it will get so bad that someone will literally say, "self-improvement is masturbation" and people will buy it like it's some sort of red pill insight.

nicethingyoucanthave · 2018-05-14T20:36:22+00:00

will women's standards rise

Yes. Women are attracted to men in relation to other men - meaning, no matter how good the average is, they'll always be drawn to the winners. There's actually some science behind this (like everything in TRP btw). Look into studies done on widowbirds. The tl;dr is even if you make the average tail length longer, the females still prefer the longest-tailed male.

in order to accommodate the 80/20

I'm not sure what you mean by "accommodate" but I wanted to clarify that the pareto principle isn't a physical law. It's just something that economists have found to show up frequently in lots of different systems.

and AF/BB rules?

No. If all men were "red pill," few of them would accept the role of beta-bucks. Of course, women's strategies would evolve too as natural selection tried to restore the BB dynamic. After all, it's happened in the past. Why do you think human females, alone among our close relatives, have no overt signs of estrus? It's an adaptation to (in part) prevent mate-guarding

wracky272 · 2018-05-14T18:07:40+00:00

"Alpha" is a comparative term. There will always be top guys.

Flip the question around and make all women super models and guys will still nitpick over perceived flaws and have their top picks-- it's human nature.

[deleted] · 2018-05-14T18:11:01+00:00

No, all the men can't be alphas.

What will happen is that women will still find a way to separate out the top 20% of all men, and fuck only those men. Women can do this all the time. They're very, very good at sussing out who the top men are, and will still be able to do it even with all men at their own peak attractiveness. Because even if you have all men at their individual peaks, some men's peaks will be higher than most other men's peaks. And women will rapidly figure out who and where the highest peaks are.

Barely-moral · 2018-05-14T20:39:44+00:00

If all men improve the 80/20 rule will stay the same. That is not the RP advice that can change the sexual marketplace. "Don't commit to women" can change the sexual marketplace if all men decide to follow that advice.

"Don't give anything to any woman who does not bring enough value to your life" would change the sexual marketplace.

"Think of a woman as if she was her male equivalent before doing anything for her" would change the sexual marketplace.

No. all men can't be in the top 20% but all men can ask for more from all women and if that happens that will change the world.

EdwigSpooner · 2018-05-14T17:13:21+00:00

Will never happen but standards would just increase.

FairlyNaive · 2018-05-14T17:15:36+00:00

Even if all the men in the world buy into trp advice 80% of them are still too lazy/scared to implement it

abaxeron · 2018-05-14T17:39:47+00:00

Which TRP adivce? There are at least several. If you mean the pickup part of what Manosphereans call the red pill, i.e. "know and exploit the innate loopholes of female nature", then women will simply start picking men solely based on those men's height and penis size.

GayLubeOil · 2018-05-14T19:54:59+00:00

The Red Pill is derivative of Plato's Cave which is fundamentally an Elitist concept. If your asking this question you don't understand the Red Pill Metaphor.

What happens if everyone is king of England? than no one is King of England thus Everyone isn't king of England.

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stats135 · 2018-05-14T18:26:05+00:00

Whenever there is a scarcity (in this case, women and sex), there will always be a group of haves and have nots. The distribution might not be exactly 80/20, but that is really only a guideline anyways. The only way for every man to be alpha is for there to be an abundance of women . We can look at something that happened before in history. After every major war where a major proportion of the men died off, the remaining men are all treated like alpha gods.

I've heard a joke about how Korean men always had women walk first after the Korean War. People who didn't know thought it was chivalry, when in reality it was that men were so much more valuable, they had women walk first so if there were any landmines it would kill the woman instead. What you need for every man to be alpha is a population that there are way more men than women.

prodigy2throw · 2018-05-14T18:34:12+00:00

It’ll always be a top tier world. Women will still flock to the top 20% but the bottom 80% could have a better chance. Instead of 80/20 it would probably 60/40

PuleaSpataru69 · 2018-05-14T19:25:51+00:00

Even if all men practice TRP-becoming the best version of themselves there will still be 20/80 because there is always height, bone structure,etc which sets people apart. Someone at their best can still be a 4

[deleted] · 2018-05-14T19:38:17+00:00

Armageddon.

gattaca_ · 2018-05-14T20:22:12+00:00

Can all men be alphas?

Don't think so.

There will always be a relative ranking system.

If the range of guys was 0/10 to 10/10 and everyone worked on themselves and that range shrunk from 5/10 to 10/10.

Women would still find a way to relatively rank the men so that 5/10 is the new 0/10. In other words, the best women would still prefer the best men, but the gap between best and worst would decrease.

AstuteBlackMan · 2018-05-14T20:38:07+00:00

All men can be alphas. But all men won't choose to be alphas. I'm not sure what the point is in answering this n

newName543456 · 2018-05-14T22:36:56+00:00

Standards will rise.

Just like printing money doesn't solve poverty.

truedemocracy3 · 2018-05-14T23:29:46+00:00

No by definition not all men can be alphas. Also, by definition of nature an alpha will rise. In my beta days there were situations when I was absolutely the alpha based on the low status of people around me. In days where I am more alpha there are still occasionally times I'm outgunned. Alpha by definition is relative.

If every man got in shape and lost their fat then guess what - things look like what they were in the 1950s. Everyone then was thin with a jaw line. EVERYONE. Guess what? There were still heart throbs and bad boys. No matter what you do there will be a top 20%. Fortunately, TRP advice is difficult to adopt so there will be no mainstream lifestyle change for men. It has NEVER been easier to be top 20% as a man

CursedLemon · 2018-05-15T00:50:59+00:00

Well, TRP is basically unregulated capitalism of the social world. And it's still a race to the bottom.

[deleted] · 2018-05-15T05:00:52+00:00

Nope, they can't be all alphas.

I have never seen this effect happen, in smaller scale environments. For example, the huge gym culture that California cities like SF and LA have just raise the standards women have. If a women is hanging around a bunch of muscular guys all the time, being muscular becomes normal.

InformalCriticism · 2018-05-15T10:28:29+00:00

I think a lot more men would get laid, but there would still be a mad rush to get the top 20% of men.

It would be incredibly easy to distinguish the dumb alphas from the smart ones, and I think the spectrum of intelligence would be a better inicator of male hierarchy than it is, today.

daveofmars · 2018-05-15T13:59:52+00:00

Not all men need to be alphas, and our society would work better if the lesser betas were turned into greater betas. Sometimes I'm floored by how many of my younger peers give women the pussy pass. If men learned how to be men, how to stand their ground, how to have standards, and be more quick to drop a woman who's doing them wrong then the world would be a much better place.

sadomasochrist · 2018-05-16T13:41:23+00:00

Just look at the poor urban black community and go from there. Or maybe Russia. Once providers become rare, women lose the war, and it doesn't seem to heal itself.

The only thing that seems to self regulate things back after that would be a stronger male to female ratio, that self regulates things back into female dominance.

But from what we've seen already, this game only works so long as women play along. Once they advertise en masse they don't want to play the game anymore, men flip the board and it stays flipped.

[deleted] · 2018-05-17T16:48:18+00:00

womens standards would be higher... maybe its a bad idea to spread it after all... welp...

quicklogaccount · 2018-05-14T17:30:39+00:00

You'll have a lot of women nagging and whining about men you now call uberChad.

In short, there is no reason to believe that SUCH sudden change in the nature of men will cause any change in the nature of women. TRP tells men a lot of shit that ends up making them men women select, so this particular change won't exert pressure on women.
I suppose you'll get the most immoral folks resorting to dishonest strategies we can now afford to abhor because the bar isn't set very high.

On the other hand if all men suddenly stopped making themselves attractive you'd have the world incels believe they live in.

Aaren_Augustine · 2018-05-14T17:35:10+00:00

I told my wife about MRP. She proceeded to test the ever living fuck out of me. If all men are practicing TRP, women will be happier. Purple dudes are cat nip.

Entropy-7 · 2018-05-14T17:50:43+00:00

I love the left wing "poverty activists" who are always pushing for more "income equality". The thing is, unless you institute a totalitarian regime that confiscates all property and income and divides it out to every person equally, there will always be a top 20% (wealthy) and a bottom 20% (poor).

In line with that thinking, even if all guys were practicing TRP, some would do it better than others and and you are back to having a top 20% who are doing well and a bottom 80% who may be struggling. Women will raise their standards, although the dynamic of the switch to BB would be different as guys are now developing more alpha traits.

However, that is all rather moot. Only a minority of guys go looking for TRP or even the manosphere as a whole. Only a fraction of then buy into it, only a fraction of those actively practice it, and only a fraction of those will get noticable results.

For instance, Black Dragon - who is not strictly TRP by any means - only figures he could reach about 10% of guys and that only 2% to 5% would become what he calls "Alpha 2.0".

The reality is that, at most, you would see 10% of guys who were otherwise in the bottom 80%, displacing as many as half of those in the top 20%. . .and life would otherwise carry on as usual.

mgtow_1 · 2018-05-14T19:47:52+00:00

You wil end up with more men checking out of dating and relationships.

DareyFathom · 2018-05-14T17:35:43+00:00

Western society would collapse.

Title	Q4RP: What happens when all the men in the world are practicing TRP advice?
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