Why do women love music with RP themes?

dragoness_leclerq · 2017-03-20T11:36:04+00:00

Short answer: We're not paying attention to the fuckin lyrics dude.

Most of the time when I first hear a song the thing that catches me is the beat and maybe the hook. I don't start hearing, I mean really hearing the lyrics until subsequent listens and by then I already like it.

I loved tons of breakup or heartbreak songs well before I'd ever experienced those things. Currently I listen to a fair bit of trap music and I've never sold drugs and don't live in the hood. In fact, that sort of thing isn't even aimed at women. I like it because I like the beat, the flow and the tone it sets - and later, maybe the lyrics, especially if they're clever.

Plenty of rap songs are "misogynistic" in nature but why the fuck should I care? There are "RP" songs that talk about guys cheating on their gfs from the male perspective and we'll still listen to them. Doesn't mean we cosign any of that shit.

Chris Rock even talked about this in his standup back when Get Low was popular and how so many women were running to the dance floor and screaming along even though the lyrics were raunchy and derogatory. The idea was, women weren't offended because internally they were like, "well, he's not talking about me...." At no point are any of those songs singling out one woman specifically, so why should we care?

This premise only really works if you believe people exclusively listen to music they can relate to in some way or agree with.

Ever since I first heard it, "Often" has been on all my sex playlists. It's a great song, I've listened to it hundreds of times. When (after probably months of listening to it frequently) I finally sat down and "listened" to the lyrics, I was driving in the car with one of my friends and was like "oh shit, is he calling her a hoe???"

To many people, music, especially pop(ular) music isn't something listened to because they're in search of deep meaning or looking to dissect it, nor is it made to be. It's catchy, it's fun, sometimes it's raunchy and derogatory or supports behavior we'd never condone in our personal lives but we don't care.

Songs are basically just stories with a melody.

shogunofsarcasm · 2017-03-20T11:56:05+00:00

Why do people who don't understand germen love the band Rammstein? Sometimes people just really love catchy music and singing and don't care about the lyrics

BiggerDthanYou · 2017-03-20T11:17:02+00:00

They don't care about the lyrics, they just care about the beat.

Warning_Low_Battery · 2017-03-20T12:59:14+00:00

Yea yea people listen to the weeknd talk about popping xans and getting bjs passed out and then will turn on Girls run the world and fuck men-esque songs the next second.

Look at Drake. One minute its if you're not here to fuck get out. the next its please dont be a bad independent girl and break my heart

EliteSpartanRanger · 2017-03-20T15:21:07+00:00

Most people care about the beat and tune, not the lyrics.

But there are also guys who like cuckold porn who aren't into cuckoldry in real.

And just because people like playing GTA doesn't mean they condone stealing cars irl.

SpaceWhiskey · 2017-03-20T18:18:18+00:00

I think about this a lot, not just in terms of RP but way broader. Countless people have used Sting's "Every Breath You Take" as their sweet, romantic lovey-dovey wedding first dance song even though it's about a stalker, to the point where Sting says it bothers him and everyone has missed the point. Countless people will play "Born in the USA" and "Fortunate Son" as patriotic, flag-humping anthems even though they're both critical as shit of the US. It's because the songs makes people feel a certain way, regardless of the lyrics. Never underestimate the power of a catchy hook. Hell, South Park made a fake song in the style of Lorde about taking a shit and I unapologetically listen to it all the time, it's a good song.

Probably my favorite song at the moment is MIA's Paper Planes, and I assure you I'm not about to start drug hustling and robbing people at gunpoint, though I'll sure as shit sing along to the chorus of "All I wanna do is fingerguns to shooting sounds effects and cash register noises and take your money~"

BiggerDthanYou · 2017-03-20T11:24:39+00:00

One thing is that it's obvious that they are presenting an over the top version of reality. They are also talking about drugs and violence, but no one cares because you automatically give rap artists a bit of creative leeway and don't take the things they say too seriously. They aren't talking about regular reality, they are talking about a hard knock ghetto life like straight out of the movies.

So when they talk about women it's clear that they are talking about the women in their life in an over the top macho way, but it's not like they are claiming that it's just female nature to be shitty whores due to evo-psych and that they all must be like that.

And they may sing about bitches, but it's clear that they love and appreciate bitches. There's not the same bitter, angry and insecure projection that's part of the way TRP talks about women.

Plus NAWALT. Women that love rap are usually those that will also agree on those RP truths while others that don't like that kind of alphaness might not even listen to those artists in the first place.

wub1234 · 2017-03-20T13:56:06+00:00

Well, it's interesting because I'm probably older than most people here, and I think that the whole tone of popular music is pretty terrible now. When I hear songs from the 70s and 80s, they often have an emphasis or tone that you would rarely hear in popular music today.

Most of the pop music recorded by women nowadays seems to be along the lines of "I'm really hot, look at me, and I don't need a man in my life, I'm so empowered, men are shits anyway".

And the popular music recorded by men all seems to me "I'm a player, I'm great, I've got loads of money, I fuck all the bitches and hos, but they don't mean anything to me at all".

Speaking as a grown adult, it just all seems utterly pathetic to me. To me there is just no warmth or sincerity in it whatsoever. I suppose that is because it has become a money-making machine rather than having any artistic merit in many cases.

I know there are odd exceptions to this, you could cite certain sensitive singer-songwriters, but I feel the overall tone of music is completely different now to how it was when I was growing up. That's not to say all music was good when I was growing up because a lot of it was shite. But it was a more innocent time, the sentiments expressed were fundamentally more wholesome.

You know, Madonna was considered really controversial, but her music, themes and lyrics seem pretty tame now, and a lot of her early songs are pure love songs. I don't listen to the likes of Rihanna, Lady Gaga whoever else is fucking big in the charts nowadays, but I can't imagine they would be given a pure love song to sing, about how someone else means the world to them and is the centre of their universe. It is all me, me, me.

For example, this is the Madonna song Lucky Star:

You must be my Lucky Star

'Cause you shine on me wherever you are

I just think of you and I start to glow

And I need your light

And baby you know

Starlight, starbright first star I see tonight

Starlight, [starbright] make everything all right

Starlight, starbright first star I see tonight

Starlight, [starbright] yeah

You must be my Lucky Star

'Cause you make the darkness seem so far

And when I'm lost you'll be my guide

I just turn around and you're by my side

You may be my lucky star

But I'm the luckiest by far

I can't imagine anyone coming out with those sentiments today, or if they did they would be in the overwhelming minority.

To put my conspiracy hat on for a second...the entire society is designed to make us consume. We're trained to be ideal consumers. I frequently quote this line from Century of the Self:

"We must shift America from a needs, to a desires culture," wrote Paul Mazur of Lehman Brothers. "People must be trained to desire, to want new things even before the old had been entirely consumed. We must shape a new mentality in America. Man's desires must overshadow his needs."

All culture plays a part in this and music strongly reflects this tendency. Someone mentioned Kanye West the other day, think of the gulf between him and John Lennon, for example. Think of the very politicised music of the 70s, for example Dark Side of the Moon and Never Mind the Bollocks, and try to think of an equivalent today.

When you have female artists saying "me, me, me, it's all about me, I'm great, I'm empowered, I don't need anyone" and male artists saying "me, me, me, it's all about me, I'm amazing, I'm rich, I fuck loads of women but they mean nothing to me" and then hold these people up as the ideal to strive for then you end up with millions of little idiots who think it's cool to be like them. At that point, it becomes the mainstream culture, and then you've successfully trained people to be ideal consumers.

sunkindonut149 · 2017-03-20T17:30:03+00:00

Most people don't give a fucc about lyrics.

The hit song "Chi Chi Men" was blasted throughout my college. It's about burning gay men in a bonfire. People just "liked the beat" though.

Moreover the number 1 song in America is "Raindrop Drop Top". It's about mixing up dope with an uzi. It's retarded af. The lyrics are actually brain dead.

I also learned that a shitty rock song "Embody The Invisible" by In Flames, is about pollution and could've been written by Captain Planet. To me, lyrics like that are even dumber than pop. Give me dope and uzis any day lol.

Joseph_the_Carpenter · 2017-03-20T18:31:17+00:00

Here's a great bit by Chris Rock on rap music that talks exactly about what you're asking.

reepbot · 2017-03-20T10:57:14+00:00

I like watching Gone With The Wind, doesn't mean I believe in slavery.

648262 · 2017-03-20T11:17:11+00:00

He makes women think about hot sex.

Hot sex sells. No idea why.

alcockell · 2017-03-20T12:03:11+00:00

NOthing new - "I got hoes in different area codes", anyone?

Or how about chris Rock's bit on Never Scared about the same stuff? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWvi9dfB4jU

Alth12 · 2017-03-20T12:21:38+00:00

A lot of mainstream EDM stuff is pretty RP as well in that it pretty much just reinforces through imagery the vapid overly entitled image TRP pushes about women.

This video would be a prime example - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_OIkuwEGtg (it's like Basic Bitch central in that video, and the dudes are typical RP ideals about "Chad" for the most part too)

SJW's (and i'm not talking about liberals who are actually liberal, but by people who hide behind that label to push what amounts to a far right agenda) will eventually come after music though.

Ultramegasaurus · 2017-03-20T12:35:43+00:00

The goal of RP is to become a man that women really want, so of course, women have no problem with a man displaying RP characterstics. If he comes off as natural and has the look and status to back it up.

The outrage is aimed at the fact that men sit together, analyze women and their behavior and wrap it up as some sort of manual for every man out there. It makes women seem shallow, base and predictable. They detest that. The myth of female sexuality being spritiual, solemn, civilized, virtuous, enriching and fluid is deeply ingrained into people of both genders. It's one of the cornerstones of the Western view on gender relations.

DarkLord0chinChin · 2017-03-20T12:48:08+00:00

Because RP is based on reality and feminism is based on politics.

IIHotelYorba · 2017-03-20T12:55:48+00:00

Women gravitate to red pill things in general. They will just test men espousing them because those are men they'll consider having sex with.

AmericanHistoryAFBB · 2017-03-20T21:50:58+00:00

Thanks for making this thread. I think this is an important topic everyone should be aware of, especially those who claim TRP to be toxic. If TRP ideas are toxic, the themes sure as hell sell a shit load of music, and have screaming fan girls to boot.

lbspredh · 2017-03-21T13:44:47+00:00

Like they listen to his lyrics, Weekend is a pretty boy with silly hair and a smooth singing voice. It's classic fangirl bait

DrunkGirl69 · 2017-03-21T14:48:19+00:00

I don't see how his lyrics are red pill.

cerebralrust · 2017-03-21T14:49:18+00:00

Yeah, with star boy I cringe every time I hear him sing 'girls get loose when they hear this song ' or about his side bitch or main bitch. The beat is okay and his singing voice is okay , but again, it's probably due to his team rather than just him. He's probably got a whole PR team manufacturing his reputation and likes for him.

sprachspieler93 · 2017-03-21T19:43:50+00:00

So much love for this post <3

yusrasyedahmed · 2017-03-22T23:07:07+00:00

Because it's catchy

lollygagyo · 2017-03-23T00:57:48+00:00

I responded to you in the other thread but for me it's about universalisation vs capturing a subjective experience.

I love reading TS Eliot but I wouldn't want to hang out with someone who argued that level of disaffection was universal all the time.

I love Fight Club but I hate people who take Fight Club too seriously.

If I had written a song during my incredibly destructive phase it would have read like I was saying sociopathy = natural behaviour. But it was all contextual and there was very little universal about that experience.

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LeaderOfGamergate · 2017-03-20T11:40:13+00:00

Same reason women like to search up rape on pornsites. Women get wet at the idea of being treated like shit and dominated, its why they have so much hatred for themselves and so little respect that they lash out at society via "feminism" and end up expressing their own self-hatred through sexual self-degradation. It allows them to both live out their sexual fantasies and explore their hatred of self, its like hitting two birds with one stone. The upside is that its a circular feedback effect, so the more they become self-aware and realise its what's driving them, the more their disgust at themselves intensifies and they pursue more sexual degradation that they crave. Its quite lucky, really. I almost envy them. Almost.

fetchyminx · 2017-03-20T17:48:49+00:00

The weeknd is the most faggish music ever

Title	Why do women love music with RP themes?
Author	GroovyEFS
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Date	March 20, 2017 10:49 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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