CMV: It would be unfair if top tier men did not get the lion's share of casual sex

DashneDK2 · 2017-01-11T13:13:32+00:00

That's not reds. That's mainly incels who bitch and whine about that. Reds just want to be one of the top dudes who get the pussy, and otherwise watch society burn.

NalkaNalka · 2017-01-11T13:21:12+00:00

There are a number of people here who use the red flair and are not red. They are more blackpill or whinny incel pill. You can't call yourself redpill unless you take personal responsibility for your life. It's one of the basic founding blocks of the red pill.

Whinning about chad and "unfairness" is not red pill. Worrying about "fairness" is moralizing and the whole point of trp is that knowledge is amoral.

jonathan88876 · 2017-01-11T13:42:54+00:00

Life isn't fair, but this strategy seems to causing quite a few problems in society. The single parent epidemic comes to mind. Which is clearly linked to childhood poverty and crime..

sexydude01 · 2017-01-11T13:55:25+00:00

The men who get the most casual sex are complete losers, often unemployed or with jobs like sells pot on the side or cooks hamburgers, but who have no ability to consider future consequences and spend a considerable chunk of time gaming very young women. That's how I ended up fucking bunch of dumb young sluts. I had nothing left to lose so naturally dgaf about anything and would go to local malls 3-6 days a week just to pick up girls.

The guys who are out there having 3-4 or more kids from that many different women do have alpha behavior. But this in no way means that they are top tier men.

Anyway the problem this presents for civilization is they young guys do not see girls trying to get with guys who are hard working upstanding moral people who would make good dads. They see girls going for bad boy losers. So the incentive to make yourself into a hard working dad is not there. So boys do not do the work to become one. Hence 60% of college students are now women, men's continually declining wages, the constant stream of 'why can't I find a good guy' articles from post wall hags, fertility drops to suicidal levels, etc. Men don't get the signals that women want father material guys until they are in their thirties, at which point the men are 15 years behind schedule. And the incentive is much smaller because a woman in her thirties is worth far far less than a tight bodied 18 year old.

This creates the situation where you have less taxes being collected right at the time when you have a population shifting to mostly old people who already went ahead and sold their children and grandchildren into debt slavery so they could all live off the government. So government prints more money and we experience massive inflation, like has happened with automobiles and food, which is just a hidden tax. Anyone who can do basic math should be able to figure out that this can't continue. And what can't continue won't continue.

Archwinger · 2017-01-11T19:57:10+00:00

The V is correct. The subsequent text that begins, "I keep seeing reds go on about..." is incorrect.

The Red Pill is all about sexual strategy being amoral. It's not a push to change the world or how "unfair" it is. It's a push to change you. A bunch of observations about what does and doesn't work, and shit you can do and change about yourself so that you, too, have more sexual opportunity.

Here's the difference:

Incels: "Men like X have sex. This happens because women are shallow idiots who chase after X due to unrestrained hypergamy, the open SMP, and society letting them get away with that shit. We need to change things so that pure, tight, virginal 14-year-olds are forced to marry fat, smelly, slovenly, socially retarded computer coders like me!"

Red Pill: "Men like X have sex. This happens because women are stupid cunts. I should be more like X so I end up having sex, too. Because if you can't even get a stupid cunt to have sex with you, you're a serious loser."

slothsenpai · 2017-01-11T14:09:25+00:00

From a female point of view, if you can literally get any dick in the world, then why the fuck not. As for the pussy-distribution, why the fuck should a Chad or a top-tier guy who's worked hard (and sacrificed to get to where he is) only get the same amount as pussy as guys who are ugly, lazy and repulsive. Sexual market can be compared to economics too.

As for the 'beta-buxes', no one like to feel like they're "second best", a "plan-B" or pay for deteriorating pussy which was given away for free to countless strangers and douchebags. It's like having the biggest house party in town where only the cool people are invited but you're not, sitting at home alone dwelling in loneliness and misery. Then only being called over and invited when the party is dying down and you're left with the cleaning and shitty mundane conversations that you don't care about when all you wanted to do was to drink and dance.

ThrowawayCactus6012 · 2017-01-11T14:14:34+00:00

Is this actually your view, or is it just another trolling caricature?

Anyway, when you say that something is "unfair," to whom is it "unfair"? Besides, I don't think anyone is proposing that anything be taken away from top tier men, so you're arguing against something that isn't even on the table.

GaiusScaevolus · 2017-01-11T14:35:50+00:00

If you use fair here to mean equitable, then your point is patently wrong.

If fair is meant to mean just, then I tend to agree with you, but that's a subject of personal philosophy with no real correct answer.

Are the strongest among us entitled to the whole of the fruits of their abilities? Or must they share some of the spoils with those lesser among us?

cxj · 2017-01-11T20:53:26+00:00

This is a massive "just world" fallacy.

I think a more accurate statement would be "it would be unfair if women lacked sexual agency, in spite of the inevitably unfair distribution of casual sex and relationship power among men."

There is no way a massively unequal distribution of a highly desired experience is fair when the distribution process is mostly based on winning the genetic lottery. Inevitable, probably, but "fair" no.

god given right

You offer no evidence of gods existence, or even any religions that give sexual rights to attractive men in any way. Even assuming these things were true, most men would have heavy incentive to rebel against such a god even if it was futile.

Posts like this are pointlessly inflammatory and drive down the sub quality imo. I'm disappointed reds responded the way they did.

jonathan88876 · 2017-01-11T15:40:48+00:00

The issue is-where does the breakdown come? Of course titans of industry should be entitled to the lion's share of society's wealth, but it's unsustainable to concentrate so much money or sex in the hands of a few

theiamsamurai · 2017-01-11T15:45:05+00:00

If you inject women with androgen hormones, their sex drive will increase, so will the breadth of the demographics of men who they choose for sex. How would women having similar mating patterns to men be unfair? Is men fucking low self esteem average girls more frequently compared to how often they fuck the top girls unfair?

washington_breadstix · 2017-01-11T17:08:39+00:00

As far as I know, the red pill philosophy doesn't actually state that this is unfair. It simply states that if a man wants casual sex, he needs to be aware of this phenomenon and work on making himself part of the top tier of men, or getting to the highest tier of men that he can actually reach. "Highest tier" meaning the men who most strongly exemplify what women find attractive on a carnal level. The red pill is just a wake-up call to betas that "being yourself" doesn't get results.

SexyMcSexington · 2017-01-11T17:53:05+00:00

There is not much of a problem with women having sex with a string of men and then settling down with what is rudely called a "beta bux", this is what keeps civilization afloat and it's a great thing women have the options to have sex with who they want, instead of holding it out for marriage.

Nearly every successful religion and culture have pushed for marriage and long-term relationships for the masses. The traits that make a man attractive for casual sex are often anti-societal.

speed3_freak · 2017-01-11T17:59:55+00:00

There's really no fair or unfair when it comes to things in life like this. There's only what is or is not. Accept it and try to make it benefit you.

[deleted] · 2017-01-11T19:29:25+00:00

What god are you refering to? And why has this god granted rights? This is just as absurd as the argument that the absolute political power of the king was divinely ordained.

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wub1234 · 2017-01-11T13:35:30+00:00

I keep seeing reds go on about "unrestrained hypergamy"

Let's be honest, they exaggerate a fair bit!

ZombieWifeFoCo · 2017-01-11T16:17:36+00:00

Damn. I didn't realize I was supposed to only go for the top tier pussy magnets in the world.

Why didn't someone explain this to the ladies?

DicklessAlpha · 2017-01-11T18:05:50+00:00

To bring upon a little equality, fuck the govt sanctioned marriage. So when the avg guy is in a relationship with a reformed slut he won't have to fear for his money.

And you can bet the slut would actually get anxious if the guy starts losing interest in the relationship.

Divorce is a horrible ordeal especially for men which deters them from moving on.No such burden here, just pack your bags and fuck off from her life.

Up2Eleven · 2017-01-11T19:35:50+00:00

What makes a man "top tier"?

AmericanHistoryAFBB · 2017-01-11T22:34:14+00:00

So one of the top posters in the blue pill is now admitting TRP is right. Finally.

I can rest now.

[deleted] · 2017-01-12T00:34:12+00:00

Women are entitled to date who they want to date. In this case, Chad. Men are entitled to not date who they don't want to date. In this case, single mothers, cock carousel retirees and chicks who smashed into the wall.

Casanova9000 · 2017-01-12T02:43:11+00:00

So TRP works? Thanks!

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2017-01-11T17:28:45+00:00

Yes I agree totally.

But as a Chad I think us Chads should focus less on hoarding/using up pussy and making harems and more on building great civilization again. That would mean reigning in the radically free societal views on womens sexuality and restoring traditional sexuality that lets beta men acquire good non whore wives.

When a beta has a good wife to settle with he has a reason to live and improve and raise a greatly contributing legacy.

Todays Chads have an intellectual/big picture crisis because we're being distracted with this insane pussy fest.

Title	CMV: It would be unfair if top tier men did not get the lion's share of casual sex
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Upvotes	14
Comments	220
Date	January 11, 2017 1:10 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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