CMV: Feminists, Bluepillers, etc. all truly despise incels and wish for their extermination

[deleted] · 2016-06-28T09:18:23+00:00

Or maybe no one really cares but they get annoyed at people who complain without taking action to fix their problems.

AceFlashheart · 2016-07-03T20:41:33+00:00

I don't think they want them to die, they just don't care.

Compassion is a virtue on the regressive left, unless it comes to being compassionate to lonely white men who are angry about perceived inequity in societal norms, in which case it's all fair game for mockery and contempt ¯_(ツ)_/¯

PurpleLilac22 · 2016-06-28T13:01:32+00:00

I'll try to draw a parallel.

There are unattractive women in the world. There are not many of them, but there are some. The female 1s and 2s of the sexual marketplace.

Men don't want those women dead and men don't hate them. It's just that men don't want to fuck them or invest in them. Men don't want to spend time, money or resources on them. To a lesser extent, men wish those women would stop complaining about their plights and either accept them or do something about them. But that's a lesser thing since it appears men are better at tuning out the complaints of women who aren't attractive and who don't mean anything to them.

This is my view of unattractive women, and from my experience, the view of most men on unattractive women as well. I don't hate unattractive women or wish for their eradication. I just don't care about them.

zegar7878 · 2016-06-28T07:29:55+00:00

I've been reading this forum for a couple of days now. I think I won't be back after reading this subthread for a bit.

The vast majority of people, irrespective of gender, don't think about the vast majority of people. I don't wake up in the morning hating feminists, and feminists don't wake up in the morning hating me. In fact, I can go days, nay, WEEKS without ever hearing the word feminist and only reading it on /. complaining about some github change or whatever.

For people with social anxiety, the most common advice is that other people just don't really think about you. This same advice is pertinent to this blue/red pill discussion. The people who engage in these forums are taking shit a little bit too seriously.

Bluepillers despise incels? That is some mental gymnastics to rival fucking tumblr posts. I find that social media if anything is becoming a general mood drain in my life. One week ago I wouldn't have been able to tell a person what bluepill/redpill debating was. It just didn't have an impact in my life. I'm a male involuntary virgin but it doesn't rule my life the way forum posters here seem to conduct themselves. I go to school, do my hobbies, eat, sleep, talk with almost exclusively male friends, and masturbate when I go home. It might be because the environments I find myself in are extremely male dominated but: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlOSdRMSG_k

tiposk · 2016-06-28T05:20:28+00:00

Okay, extreme...

Yes, it is.

All these women that claim to know guys that tried harming them or insulted them for being friendzoned are lying, I have never seen this happen even once.

So just because you've never seen this it automatically means that it never happens, right?

To answer your post, I don't think there is a generalized hatred towards incels, most of the hate happens against the way that incels deal with their problem.

I in particular, feel an incel's pain probably because I was one myself, but instead of blaming biology, men and society -even if I was tempted to-, I recognized the problem was within myself and decided to go to therapy, which helped.

Master_of_Ritual · 2016-06-28T12:55:14+00:00

It's not that feminists and Blues despise incels and wish for their extermination.

It's that feminists and Blues don't care about incels, and wish they would shut up. It's that they wish incels would not attempt to get sexual attention from women who aren't attracted to them.

The average single unattached man goes through life concerned about his job, his friends, his family of origin, enjoying his life, and having a bit of fun now and then. He concerns himself with making sure he goes through life without breaking any major laws or social conventions. He's not thinking about feminists, social policy, intersexual relationships, or other such things. He does think about sex, a lot, but he doesn't actively concern himself with people who don't want to have sex with him. And he's really not thinking about other men who can't seem to get laid. He knows they exist. But he doesn't concern himself with them, their plights, or their circumstances.

The average single, unattached woman goes through life concerning herself with much the same things as a man does, except that she has a greater preoccupation with what her friends think of her. She is also greatly concerned with how she presents herself to the world, particularly on social media. She thinks about sex when attractive men appear on her radar, but otherwise doesn't concern herself with sex too much because she can always get that when she wants it.

She is much more concerned with safety and security than men are. Men vie for her attention now and then, so she has to fend off unwanted attention from unattractive men and simultaneously show receptiveness to attractive men.

EDIT: (To a woman, sex with attractive men is like high-end restaurant food. It can sometimes be hard to find, but you can find it if you know where to look. The best places are quite popular and seats can be hard to get, but there are places that are just one step down that can be had for less cost and that are always open. It can cost more at some places. But it's always available to her if she wants it and is willing to "pay" for it.) For more reading, review the best analogy along these lines by Solomon II, "Drive Thru Boyfriends". )

Other than squelching attention from unattractive men, she doesn't think about unattractive men. At all.

So it's not that feminists and Blues despise incels and want them dead. It's that they don't think about incels, except when an incel attempts to get attention from a woman who's not attracted to him.

Whisper · 2016-06-28T22:57:15+00:00

Absolutely not.

They don't have anything that bears that much resemblance to a coherent plan.

Women want incels to go away (from their location). They just don't want to see, hear, or interact with them.
Female feminists want that, too, except with the added codicil that they are willing to actively harm them to make that happen.
Male feminists want to give female feminists whatever they want, without limit or question.
Bluepillers want to believe in a just universe, which requires them to believe that incels morally deserve the above conditions.

Admitting that incel men are weak rather than evil requires one to discard belief in a just universe, which most people find too threatening, because if horrible things can happen to nice people, then they cannot protect themselves from horrible things by being nice.

shoup88 · 2016-06-28T14:11:21+00:00

The vast majority of people don't know what a incel is. For the most part, they barely think about or notice them. Incels are not important enough to incite hatred.

No one gives a shit if you're not having sex. It's only when lack of female contact brews into hatred that people will start making fun of you.

exit_sandman · 2016-06-28T05:50:59+00:00

/r/niceguys satirizes of a specific type of people who feel entitled. I agree it's pretty mean that they're mostly making fun of people who are generally socially awkward, however literally ALL satire subs can come across as "mean" to some people.

However, they don't wish for the extermination of anyone, don't be ridiculous. It's just for laughs. They may or may not be scumbags, but I think you're exaggerating.

/r/TheRedPill seems "mean" to me and even I don't say ridiculous things like "they wish for the extermination of all women".

jackandjill22 · 2016-06-28T10:29:39+00:00

We don't want you to be exterminated. We just want you to change the way you speak/present yourselves.

I'll level with you, I fucking HATE you guys. Like no other community has ever rubbed me up the wrong way so badly. And I think with good reason. The discourse coming out of the incel forums is wildly misogynistic; it is pro-paedophilia; it is pro-rape. I get that that isn't what all incels think, but enough of you do that that has coloured the way you, as a community, are perceived.

Furthermore, the truly infuriating thing about the incel community is the way you guys seem to have just given up. Any attempt at constructive advice given to you guys just gets scornfully shot down. Anything that could actually, maybe, just maybe help your situation is routinely ignored or actively rejected. Instead, y'all sit and complain about women, about "Chads", about "degenerate" modern society, about your genetics. To an outsider it seems like you just want to abdicate all responsibility for yourself and take refuge within a gigantic vitriolic victim-complex. It's a toxic circlejerk which would be fine if it wasn't also a toxic circlejerk which routinely spewed out some of the most hateful, abominable trash I have ever read.

I don't think you should be exterminated. But I also think that none of you deserve to be happy. Not while you speak and act like that.

andrewisgood · 2016-06-28T14:14:29+00:00

It is extreme, because I despise a lot of incels simply based on what they say and some of the degenerates who claim to be "incels".

Nobody wants people to be alone or to have rough lives, unless of course, they are terrible people. It's not about being weak, it's not about anything other then, some of them are just terrible people.

There also seems to be a lack of self reflection. Maybe their problems are ones they cause, especially if one guy is going out pretending to be younger to hook up with young girls online.

Noxin__Nixon · 2016-06-28T17:15:02+00:00

Thats some extreme hyperbole there. NO idea why you would even make such a shitpost

Carkudo · 2016-06-28T17:16:32+00:00

I'm incel and I don't think it's anything so sinister.

People like having acceptable targets to kick around and bully without feeling guilty and without fear of retribution. These targets change over time. For now, it's sexually unsuccessful men and a few other groups. I'm sure eventually it will be someone else. The growing demonization of narcissists makes me think they might be the next widely accepted target.

username_6916 · 2016-06-29T03:41:37+00:00

They seek nothing more than the genocide of incels, and subs like /r/niceguys and the BluePiller are specifically devoted to this task.

While the OP bring up some valid points, this line jumps the shark. Words are words. Bullets are bullets. And Genocide is Genocide. Yes, there's a #killallmen hashtag on Twitter, but of those who actually are not being ironic, how many are anywhere close to political power? Members of their political tribe occasionally commit acts of political violence big and small, but there is no broad coalition demanding a mass killing of their political opponents. There's no Hitler, Stalin or Mao here, and it's exceedingly unlikely that any of these people are one in the making.

That may be a low bar to clear in terms of ethics, certainly, but the OP is the one who set it when he mentions genocide.

[deleted] · 2016-06-29T19:29:30+00:00

If 80% of the male population who aren't apex males died suddenly tomorrow I don't think women would mind.

That's not the same as actively wishing them death.

hentaipolice · 2016-06-28T08:49:38+00:00

At most you might be half right, but it seems like a more complicated issue. It can seem like the women of those groups certainly want them to die out by refusing to reproduce with them as if they all agreed on it, and the men of those groups enjoy seeing the "competition" get killed off.

However, I don't think they consciously hate them or even know why they are repulsed by them. They are just acting on their instincts and feelings, as usual without much thought put into it.

CovenantoftheSun · 2016-06-28T13:22:24+00:00

They seek nothing more than the genocide of incels, and subs like /r/niceguys and the BluePiller are specifically devoted to this task.

No. I couldn't find the specifics about killing anyone in the sidebar, threads, about section, etc. So, you are objectively wrong.

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Eulabeia · 2016-06-28T18:22:45+00:00

feminists and the Bluepillers that side with them truly, on some deep level, wish that all incel men would die

That's silly. Why would they want incels to die when they could just tell them to work hard and earn lots of money so one day they can afford to provide for a wife?

Hairbrainer · 2016-06-28T20:38:07+00:00

A man who is an incel, alone, is not someone who I hate. I have a good friend who you could probably classify as incel. He's fat, virgin (possibly even a kissless virgin), and does not have a high paying job. He still lives at home. However, he is a kind-hearted person, and fun to be around. He's a friend of mine.

What I find a problem with is the community that I've stumbled upon on reddit. So much hatred, so much vitrol. There are posts saying that some women deserve rape, there was one I saw recently where it's natural for men to be attracted to women who are 13-14 years old. There was one I saw where the body of it essentially said that anyone on the street who seemed happy OP actively hated.

There is a big attitude adjustment needed, but I don't want you exterminated the way you think.

I think you should be exterminated in the same way fat people on tumblr think others want them to be exterminated. People just want them to buck up and lose weight. It's not easy, and you have to change a lot about your attitude and approach, but it's not impossible. Same with incels. If you think that you having a better social life is 100% out of your control then you've got a bit to learn.

[deleted] · 2016-07-02T01:54:29+00:00

Not feminists, not blue pillers, just all women.

[deleted] · 2016-06-28T14:20:53+00:00

The incels who are quiet, I could care less about. But it seems that a lot of them have to come to the internet and say hateful, misogynistic shit and generally act like assholes. I don't wish for them to die, but I wish they could do something besides spew their misery onto everyone else.

utigers · 2016-06-28T13:35:50+00:00

truly, on some deep level, wish that all incel men would die.

WHAT. No! Not even remotely. I wish they would all get over their issues and have satisfying relationships, regardless of likelihood to happen.

Simple, from all the subs and websites dedicated to insulting them, to the attempts to stifle any advice they may get.

Even if that's true, that's still a HUGE jump. Maybe they're just annoying to some people.

As for me, I don't insult them and I don't stifle anything, but I will call shitty advice just that.

the most they do is rant on the Internet and are more likely to harm themselves than anyone else

If you're alluding to some of the frothing hate incels have for women, let's call it that. And whether it's just "on the Internet or not," they will get called out for what it is. That's not hating them, that's just holding them accountable to reality.

All these women that claim to know guys that tried harming them or insulted them for being friendzoned are lying, I have never seen this happen even once.

So you think all the screen caps and text messages are just manufactured?

You're a troll. This is too ridiculous of a view to be real.

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Title	CMV: Feminists, Bluepillers, etc. all truly despise incels and wish for their extermination
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