CMV: The Male Sexodus is Good for Women

nemesis_kid · 2015-01-03T22:38:04+00:00

There have always been men who aren't having sex, them giving it a name and discussing it online doesn't make things different. Hopefully they spend the time working on themselves.

AFormidableContender · 2015-01-03T20:07:39+00:00

Going through your post history reads like a troll, but to answer the question in good faith, logically, women lose nothing, you're right, but that is a nebulous concept because women never lose anything ever, so the point is moot. It's about men, not women.

This is putting aside all arguments of MGTOW not being failures, but simply men who opted out for various reasons. I'll let others wax on about that as they've already beaten me to it.

We_Are_Legion · 2015-01-03T17:01:09+00:00

You're confusing MGTOW with Incels.

SirNemesis · 2015-01-03T19:07:39+00:00

survival of the fittest, if these men can't get women no matter what then clearly they don't have what it takes to pass on their genes in the current environment. harsh but true, the gene pool will be stronger for them having removed themselves

What makes you think this? These are guys who don't find the effort required to get women worth it. That doesn't mean they can't get them no matter what.

Sansa_Culotte_ · 2015-01-03T16:29:10+00:00

You think it's good for women to be increasingly caused to share the attractive men?

drok007 · 2015-01-03T17:31:56+00:00

MGTOW are not omegas. It would not be a choice if they were just relegated to that status. They are men with options (i.e. desirable) who have opted out. They've just decided women are the worse option. So your logic mostly falls apart.

through_a_ways · 2015-01-04T02:26:31+00:00

women weren't dating them anyway, so no loss there

Women are losing.

You assume that female utility from a man is only derived by his "dateability". In much the same way that men aren't valuable solely but their "fuckability", men also aren't valuable solely by dateability.

High status masculine men would be very fuckable.

Medium status somewhat beta men would be dateable.

Omega males would be used solely for validation, and if too undesriable, "creep bragging" (omg, this total creep was so into me, this signifies that I'm high status enough to reject creeps)

Women derive their worth from male validation. The more males that "check out", the easier women become for the rest. This is what's happened in Japan, and what's beginning to happen in the west now.

That's reason number 1.

Number 2, we don't practice polygamy. So, while women are partying it up now, they will be left increasingly single in old age in the future, even more than they were 5 years ago.

Number 3, betas and omegas are important to a functional society. The more men check out, the less collective ambition and accomplishment there is, and the closer society approaches barbarism. Sexual egalitarianism (all of civilized history up until 100 years or so ago) gave men reason to accomplish things.

When you internalize the doctrine that you AREN'T going to get a woman, because their demands are too high (being incel is fundamentally identical to being "fed up" with women, the only difference is the degree of the individual's access), you lose ambition, and you consume less.

TLDR,

Less validation in the present
Less chance of getting married in near future
Less maintenance of the rich, safe, feminine society in the far future

[deleted] · 2015-01-03T20:49:54+00:00

I don't see how their Sexodus is anything but good for women (who are supposed to be, what, sad or pissed about this or something?)

If high valued men give up on commitment altogether but still fuck 5-10 women a week who all fight each-other tooth and nail for the time, and medium and low-valued men give up on sex and commitment altogether, then women who want emotional validation and support and companionship will be completely unable to find it at ANY price, especially as their SMV goes down with age.

cxj · 2015-01-03T18:02:48+00:00

women are worse off after a divorce than men

No. They just no longer have as convenient of access to property and income earned by someone else.

Villaintine · 2015-01-03T17:16:41+00:00

True
Women initiate the majority of divorces so they'll still be stuck with that
MGTOW =/= Incel

We_Are_Legion · 2015-01-03T18:52:38+00:00

You obviously have not talked to women in Hong Kong, or Japan or South Korea.

The misery is mutual.

edit; in china too, but that one's a bit complicated for a quick comment.

meehan666 · 2015-01-03T22:34:06+00:00

No need to convince me. Go convince all those women writing "where have all the good men gone" articles.

Archwinger · 2015-01-03T17:30:43+00:00

A loser giving up on women doesn't affect anybody. He's still a loser, and women still don't notice he even exists. Thousands of losers? Same deal. Nobody cares.

But thousands of eligible men that women want to marry, that fuck them a few times, but whoops, never get around to marrying them? That's funny.

whystoppnow · 2015-01-04T10:45:22+00:00

Y'all do know that MGTOW dudes still fuck right? They just don't give a shit about women. They may get prostitutes or fwbs or whatever but they still fuck they just don't chase. Time is everything to them. The sexodus is horrible for chicks unless they want to be apart of polygamous marriages. Won't last long though. Eventually western civilisation will cycle back to normal and femininity will return.

throwinout · 2015-01-04T17:01:34+00:00

My biggest worry about MGTOW is how they may still contribute to the financial well-being of the women they are turning away from. I don't know much about the men who pay for porn, webcam models, or Twitch models - but I hate that they exist. They are just such utter losers. I really hope they aren't part of the MGTOW, because I like MGTOW in theory. But if they "go their own way", and their own way involves paying women for showing their boobs on their shitty webcam shows, then they haven't really achieved much have they? They're worse off now then they were before, and the women are way better off.

wazzup987 · 2015-01-03T22:44:20+00:00

women weren't dating them anyway, so no loss there

Wrong a lot if not most mgtows have dated married and had kids. They're aren't mgtow because oh well fuck it shit ain't worth it. Dont get wrong those exist aoron cleary dida video on them yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_mDvkWEQnQ

they're saving any possible wives time and money by not marrying and divorcing them (women are more often financially worse off than men post-divorce)

This would be news to me, most research i have seen point to the opposite conclusion.

survival of the fittest, if these men can't get women no matter what then clearly they don't have what it takes to pass on their genes in the current environment. harsh but true, the gene pool will be stronger for them having removed themselves

Only if you favor polygyny and even then really won't happen the smart men at the top aren't going marry either. sure they might have sex and & date but they won't marry and they won't have kids. Also part of the reason for sexudus isn't failings of one individual man (a lot of the time). It has large systemic root. Bad divorce laws, throwing boys under the bus in education, a legal and social frame work that favors women. So will some of the chaff not reproduce, but they wouldn't have reproduced/date regardless (or done so rarely) Mgtow is just an excuse not to try. So that point is moot. The problem is that guys who would have gone to have offspring & married are getting caught up in it due to bad law and social system.

Their sexudos really only befits the men who still try. Why? because you take more meat off the market. It raise the SVM of guys who are still trying. Right now the effect are minimal, but as time passes and it the mgtow phenom grows it will be more visible. Also if it grows large enough it might also start to fix some of the problem with modern dating.

Bonus round:

In my heart of hearts I wish these guys well

Good though most of them won't care their philosophy isn't based around female approval or tacit female approval (high p count).

cause being lonely is so painful,

Yeah their are definitely more than a few have gone mgtow out bitterness but a lot did it because of the dating market, dating, Cohabitation, repeated abuse by multiple SOs, and marriage non sense. Most mgtows make up for it by build better social bond with guy friend or local mgtow groups.

but I don't see how their Sexodus is anything but good for women

In the beginning it will be alright, but as it grows it won't. especially since a large part mgtow philosophy encourage mgtow not to pay taxes or pay as little as possible. there could be significant societal issues that erupt from this.

(who are supposed to be, what, sad or pissed about this or something?)

No you don't under stand. It not that women benefit that pisses them off it that the court system is fuck, they view the only to win the game is not to play (both women and society at large in some variants of mgtow philosophy).

YOu have taken a stereo type of a cheetos laced neck beard, that not what most of mgtow is.

The most encompassing definition of MGtows is this: Redefining you personal sense of masculinity & self worth with out the (social) approval of women. Obtaining you self worth independent of women or a career.

Other common definitions include: Not getting married Not having LTRS not having STR's Not interacting with women in any way Living minimally working off book to not pay taxes Going grizzly adams and living in the woods.

If you want a movie the basically encapsulates the majority of mgtow:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0169547/

Side note: depending on definitions i may be mgtow or not. I dont really care labels aren't my thing.

GridReXX · 2015-01-03T23:10:20+00:00

Sorry for the double post, but I just thought of something else.

As I stated. There are plenty of women who are bored and exhausted with the dating game and are content chilling with their friends and using their vibrator and drinking their wine and partaking in their hobbies.

And I seriously doubt this is the first time in history men have opted out for their own sanity.

So why have MGTOWs built a whole identity around it? Because they aren't content. No one believes them. At least the ones on the interwebs. If they were they would shut the hell up and go on living their own way and leave everyone else out of it.

It comes off as whining. Because that's what it is.

an_absolute_rose · 2015-01-03T18:45:22+00:00

CONCLUSION

Japan’s aging and shrinking population is a cause for concern in both Japan and the Asia-Pacific region as a whole. HelpAge International estimates that there are currently more than 50,000 people in Japan who are one hundred years old or older. As Eberstadt noted, the Japanese population is aging faster than that of any other country in the world because of migration patterns, birth rates, and health. These demographic changes will no doubt have implications for Japan’s economy, geopolitical standing, and energy use. While participants offered several suggestions for how Japan can increase productivity and respond to the realities of a shrinking and aging population, there was no conclusion on a single best practice to react to these demographic shifts. Yet even though the situation in Japan might seem dire, participants were hopeful that if immigration policies are reformed and productivity is increased, Japan can remain competitive. “Demography is not necessarily destiny—but demography does alter the realm of the possible,” said Eberstadt.

http://www.nbr.org/research/activity.aspx?id=304

RPish study on the phenomenon of herbivore men: http://www.avoiceformen.com/sexual-politics/m-g-t-o-w/a-real-study-of-japanese-herbivore-men/

jacks1000 · 2015-01-03T20:52:19+00:00

survival of the fittest, if these men can't get women no matter what then clearly they don't have what it takes to pass on their genes in the current environment.

This works both ways - if a woman doesn't have children, or simply can't find a man that wants to invest in her, so she doesn't bother ...

she's not fit and her genes are bred out of the gene pool.

Everybody wins.

Petticoat_Rule · 2015-01-03T23:41:28+00:00

Hasn't the sexodus already happened in Japan? Both men and women are removing themselves from the dating pool.

EDIT: This was already spoken of below - just read the oldest comments. If men have a sexodus, women will have a sexodus and then the economy will suffer. But ... economies are already suffering and going into finiancial crisis without sexoduses. This system of pumping out babies who will grow into adults that will carry the old on their shoulders is fragile.

[deleted] · 2015-01-05T06:15:51+00:00

(women are more often financially worse off than men post-divorce)

Citation needed

sweeptheleg55 · 2015-01-14T16:26:28+00:00

Its a reaction to American women. You're all so on your own journey doing your girl power thing. Spoiled by leagues of douche bags looking to screw. Why should any decent guy looking for something real put his heart on the line for that?

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Title	CMV: The Male Sexodus is Good for Women
Author	Hamstronaut
Upvotes	13
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Date	January 3, 2015 4:22 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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