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Stop reading TRP

by zav25 | January 01, 2020 | TheRedPill

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Guys, here's my honest, real life, own experience advice to you. I'm not a writer or good with words. I'm just another grown man with some childhood issues trying to get them fixed, like most of you here.

Stop reading red pill material, completely.

Read the sidebar, Rollo's book, the top 10 articles of all time on this subreddit and everything on Woujo's blog (really, read everything this guy has ever written, you might as well read only what he has to say and you'd still be good, he knows his shit).

Internalize everything. Get a pen/paper and take notes while reading. Write out some main ideas you get from each article/book. And then re-read all those main ideas you wrote, weekly, to remind yourself of them in case you start slipping.

That's it. Now completely forget about TRP. Stop visiting this subreddit. Stop reading and asking questions on askTRP.

All you're doing past this point is called mental masturbation. It'll fuck you up. Trust me. You'll start becoming paranoid of anything a girl does. Don't go down this rabbit hole.

Most of you are nice guys and you'll become obnoxious assholes trying to fake alpha. Been there done that.

Every interaction you'll have with a girl, won't be natural... in your head, after doing a certain thing, all you're gonna hear will be "was I beta or alpha for doing this? I think this was alpha enough for her to think this of me" etc etc, because you have too much theory and not that much experience.

Just read enough so that you can understand the evolutionary/biological/social mating mechanisms between men and women. Accept them deep down to the marrow of your bones, since they are true, rational, and these mechanisms don't give a fuck about you and they'll still be the same and indirectly have influence over you, even if you don't want to admit it.

I write all this because I've been there and done that. Got with a girl, started reading too much into everything she was doing, due to excess of theory, became paranoid, then came back to TRP community to try and find a solution to my paranoia and insecurity.

Fell into this loophole, like everything had to be perfect. I started categorizing everything in my head related to this girl, as either beta or alpha. Did something... was that alpha like the guys on askTRP write? Said something... fuck I think that was beta considering that article I just read last night.

Forgot to be my own man and have my own opinions and stances. But most importantly, learned my lesson.

TL/DR: Read TRP foundation books and articles. Take the good stuff (there's a lot of bad stuff in here, don't be blind). Internalize it. Get the fuck out of here and start living your life.


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Title Stop reading TRP
Author zav25
Upvotes 1054
Comments 132
Date 01 January 2020 01:16 PM UTC (6 months ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/304020
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[–]Modredpillschool[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (3 children) | Copy

You can always come back and say hi though.

[–]bestsparkyalive156 points157 points  (23 children) | Copy

The beta/alpha thing is a load of shit when guys take it into account on everything. Then you turn into a plain weird ass dude. Yes at first it seems like the holy grail just like everything else in TRP when you’re new here. But through the process of self improvement you find out who you truly are in this life.

Once you figure out who you are and what you will and won’t stand for, life gets a lot better. TRP helped me in the most amazing ways ever. But sitting here reading over and over and being a keyboard warrior regurgitating basic info in the comments is lame as fuck.

Get on your grind. Push your comfort levels. Go for it. Learn from mistakes. Don’t settle. Be a fucking man.

Edit: See redpillschool’s linked post below in reply to my comment. A simple concise post that is a must read if you’re into TRP.

[–]Sora2645 points46 points  (14 children) | Copy

I’ve met a lot of weird people on here.

People who say shit like “I force girls to eat my ass after I take shits to show them who’s boss.”

And other crazy shit of that caliber.

OP is right in the sense that there are a lot of weird fuckers here who jerk off to the IDEA of them being alpha and getting women, but never actually do.

I’m not in agreement that everyone should just stop reading TRP, though. That might be a little overkill. I think everything in moderation. You read TRP? That’s great!

But it shouldn’t control your life. Read about basketball. Read about the news. Read about anything.

Because most people who seemed to be obsessed with this stuff, do end up being some fucking weirdos half the time, or take the info they’re reading the completely wrong way.

[–]Modredpillschool26 points27 points  (12 children) | Copy

People who say shit like “I force girls to eat my ass after I take shits to show them who’s boss.”

Who has actually said that?

[–]Sora2626 points27 points  (9 children) | Copy

Bro I would have to look at my comment history. This happened like 4 months ago.

We went back and forth and he said other crazy shit too. Sad thing is, this wasn’t the first time I ran into that with someone here.

Somebody claimed they ripped a nipple piercing off to show a hoe that her body is his.

I’m telling you, there are some people who read this shit and somehow get a completely different message than the most of us.

[–]I_do_it4sloots45 points46 points  (2 children) | Copy

You probably got trolled. Many here are just neckbeards who like writing novels and fantasy stories and then masturbate anally with a dildo before going to sleep

[–]Modredpillschool18 points19 points  (4 children) | Copy

Sometimes I assume there are trolls here trying to make us look insane.

I wouldn't take anybody seriously who feeds shit to their girl. Unless it's their fetish, my guess is they're lying.

[–]muricanwerewolf19 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Very likely, though I also think there's just lots of dudes who found this who want to LARP as Chad and flex on people actually trying to improve themselves.

[–]Sora266 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Honestly bro, that’s gotta be what that is. I’m going to start checking comment history, wouldn’t be surprised if losers from inceltears are making fake comments, just so they can screenshot and post it on their sub.

That’s why I downvote any shit that sounds insane

[–]RacistMuffin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

They are most likely just joking around. The ass eating thing is a reference to AMS. Popular redpilled youtuber that takes girl's soul's(women that are vulnerable and coming back with a submissive state) and makes them eat his ass.

[–]muricanwerewolf15 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've seen a comment where, in the context of sex, the guy said "I nut, she's mad, poppa's happy" like bro, are you hurting these women?

[–]2bitgun4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Forcing anyone to do anything sexually is rape wtf

[–]Modredpillschool6 points7 points  (7 children) | Copy

The beta/alpha thing is a load of shit when guys take it into account on everything.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/7p7stj/on_alpha_beta_and_the_misuse_of_these_terms/

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K188 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy

Brilliant post.

So many guys get caught up in the 'Alpha' male shit.

'Am I an Alpha male'. It leads to identity crisis and far too much self consciousness. Or they think if Alpha too closely with evolutionary psychology. The literal top of the hierarchy.

The thing is, you're you. Unique. We don't live tribally like we once did, relying on one man to feed, cloth, hunt etc. Every guy is unique.

It's so much easier when I define Alpha and Beta as behaviours. Alpha is healthy, Beta is unhealthy.

Really, women just want a guy who has healthy, self respecting behaviour. They can be a myriad of traits, expressed differently for different guys. Assertive, boundaries, non people pleasing, doesn't seek approval or validation, takes healthy risks, etc etc.

I see beta behaviour as unhealthy. People pleasing, wants validation, needy, desperate, thirsty, no boundaries, pleases others before hims of etc.

Once you own your unique self, and don't archetype or label, and just focus on developing strong healthy behaviours, RedPill can become a very healthy thing.

A lot of guys need to go back and redefine what they are actually trying to achieve.

It's gets easier...'is the choice I'm about to make healthy or weak'?

Alpha/beta are behaviours...not the whole person.

[–]NormalAndy1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

That’s a great comment: knowing what is healthy for you and then behaving healthily makes perfect sense. I guess ‘alpha’ is just another trailing indicator- looking good is merely indicative of the discipline and hard work spent achieving and maintaining that state.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K182 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

RedPill is marred in a lot of negativity. The 'Alpha' Bad Boy, just treat em like a bitch, brah! Mentality.

Guys also hate women, or are afraid of them, or hate themselves. A lot of the self improvement is blanketed as manipulation and all sorts of shit.

If you can learn a little more about behaviour, books like No More Mr Nice Guy and When I Say No I Feel Guilty are great, you can see through the mess and realise there is a very healthy way to view RedPill.

[–]NormalAndy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed. It’s quite easy to frame self care as being selfish and uncaring towards others. While this can be true it’s more often used as a way of controlling nice/ weak people instead- and it’s a big problem.

Being clear about what you want and setting boundaries is key. ( I must confess I am often still unsure about what I want- still, work in progress)

No more mr. nice guy us a great read- thanks for the tip on the other, I will check it out.

[–]bestsparkyalive2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is my first time reading that post. Thanks for linking it .

[–]666Evo2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Who would've thought sidebar material needed to be restated on a regular basis.

I know this sort of ruins the "community" aspect but have you considered closing submissions and limiting them to approved posters only?
I see a hell of a lot of guys these days simply justifying their current behaviour rather than actually analysing anything, accepting their flaws and adjusting to new information.

Maybe taking select questions from AskTRP and doing longer form posts on here?

Stealth edit: speaking of analysing, who the fuck do I think I am giving you advice on how to run the sub. Ignore me.

[–]cyberkrist52 points53 points  (1 child) | Copy

The issue is not reading TRP subreddits or literature. The problem is that too many people forget the point! The point of TRP is to provide yourself with the knowledge to re-center your life around making YOURSELF better and more fulfilled. It isn’t about “scoring with chicks” or “being alpha”. It’s about learning some behavioural and evolutionary truths to help YOU navigate life and get what YOU want out of it. To allow you to realign your expectations and strategies to get better and happier in a world that has decided men don’t matter.

If you are just running around making sure you are ticking the right TRP boxes in any given situation you are a BETA and you are missing the point entirely. TRP is not, nor was it ever supposed to be a religion!

[–]kimsinrd155 points156 points  (24 children) | Copy

One must do everything in moderation. If there is no self-control and when one overconsumes, one must stay away from that thing and narrow down on resources. I get what you mean and to some extent is true. Thanks.

[–]Alt_Mayday89 points90 points  (8 children) | Copy

"If your text msg is longer than hers youre a beta"

"If you look away for 1ms while talking to her she already lost interest"

"If she doesnt suck your dick after 10min on the first date its a hard next"

Most of you are nice guys and you'll become obnoxious assholes trying to fake alpha

One must do everything in moderation

Probably the two most important sentences in this whole thread. Don't lose touch with reality guys.

[–]Modredpillschool9 points10 points  (4 children) | Copy

Who comes up with this nonsense?

[–]Tutsks63 points64 points  (3 children) | Copy

Found the beta.

Bet you don't even have supermodels blowing you by the pool atm.

[–]unn4med2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Wow, shaming tactic. Classic beta behaviour

;)

[–]Standgrounding3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Lol. Never got that double texting crap. Text her as much as you want

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[–]Standgrounding4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

She has 10s of orbiters AND her girl friends texting her the same so it doesn't exactly matter unless you have (in her eyes) significantly higher value

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[–]Modredpillschool51 points52 points  (10 children) | Copy

We intentionally allow for the anger phase here, even though it has a distinctly different tone and purpose than some of the older members' contributions. We want to provide a place for guys to unplug and vent since nobody else lets them.

It's all part of the process. Eventually they will learn to accept the world around them.

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[–]ThaBard1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yeah, I absolutely accept that both newly red pilled, and "not quite red pilled yet" men should be able to come here and talk about their issues. Because that's when a truly red pilled group of men are able to talk him through his shit, help him out, and put him on the right path. Unfortunately this sub has slowly gone through a sort of brain drain and so we end up with a lot of black pilled or ultra-Chad morons that seem to be creating most of the discussion and content. Now the sub has worked it's way away from the message of "improving men's lives by getting them more in touch with reality" to something else entirely lol. Every once and a while something worth reading gets posted here, but we should probably just accept that the founders and other quality redpillers have by this point either A) Sold Out B) Gone Crazy from sniffing their own shit or C) learned what they needed to know and got off the internet

[–]MkGlory0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes red pills are getting blacker by the day

[–]Modredpillschool0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

away from the message of "improving men's lives by getting them more in touch with reality" to something else entirely lol.

You know, I hear these complaints and I'm convinced nobody remembers what this sub used to be like. It's always been this way.

[–]Zech4riah1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Well, in the end it's good that it's allowed because it's kind of necessary.

...but how about ECs in anger phase? :/

[–]Modredpillschool2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Gonna snitch on an EC?

[–]SeasonedRP0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's one of the things I noticed when I first found this sub, and I think it is important for people to have a forum to express those views and get through that phase. Not everyone goes through it, to be sure, but those who do at least have an area where they can vent and move forward. Sure, that will lead to controversial posts, but I do like how the mods and ECs allow that and provide advice when appropriate.

[–]falcorn2230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

" We want to provide a place for guys to unplug and vent since nobody else lets them. "

Then how come my comment asktrp got deleted for venting about people being so sensitive?

[–]gulag_disco7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Right on. Young dudes reading this need to be careful of taking everything they read here as gospel or as anything more than performative ragebait

[–]AreOut2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

"One must do everything in moderation."

Exactly, a few minute read every other day is OK. Sitting here all day and bitching about women nature OTOH is not.

[–]MkGlory0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's what 4chan/r9k is for

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (9 children) | Copy

“You are your own worst enemy.”

Great post. I sometimes catch myself getting caught up in reading too many different RP articles. And, you’re exactly right about only sticking to the foundations of the RP. Almost everything else is a clutter and a distraction from focusing on your mission.

This really dives deep into time management and into taking ownership of your life.

[–]I_do_it4sloots12 points13 points  (8 children) | Copy

Getting redpilled is like when the prince of persia walks through the mirror and splits in two selves, and ends up fighting and trying to kill the other self who hates him, only to finally understand that the answer is you have to join the other self, love him and accept him fully

[–]Lierman0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

How does a person incorporate that self that hates and self destructs?

[–]zueman2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Psyches helped with that for me lol. Just spend time with yourself and ask, why do I do this? What causes this behavior of mine? That and lift.

[–]I_do_it4sloots-2 points-1 points  (5 children) | Copy

I knew such an analogy would have attracted mental masturbation, omfg there are only nerds on this sub

[–]Lierman0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

you cannot even field report and make a connection to a text you boasted knowledge of...

[–]I_do_it4sloots1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

I was having sex with your mom during muh rockstar twenties and while thinking about how women‘s attraction is holistic and how hypergamy doesn‘t care if the alpha buddha was a jerkboy cad alphafux or betabux awalter, then a strawman pulled showed his forward maxilla due to high-T prepuberal salmon-fueled development snd, having chugged a full soylent and metabolized it with my nofap enhanced enzymes, called my buddies roosh, vk, roissy, pook, and others and we joined into a single superalpha entity after reciting the commandments of poon and the iron rules, and ascended into a supernova of emotional mess which is unable to deal with its own hyperaware enhanced responses, thus repulsing everyone away and imploding on itself

If you understand all of this, it‘s time foe you to join your mirror image which means embracing and understanding your emotional world

[–]MkGlory1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lmfao I get most of it. See ya

[–]Lierman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My mirror image being my vanity? The hyperawareness needing to be on level with looks? If so I humbly thank for the wisdom even if obvious.

[–]thebadguy8912 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

TRP is gonna work differently for every guy and its up to each man to read it, try out some aspects of it, see what works and what doesnt for THEM. The 6’2 guy is going to have a much different TRP experience than the 5’6 guy. The married or LTR guy is gonna have a much different TRP experience than the college kid.

For me TRP is like a supply store. After getting the initial supplies (knowledge) I go off on my own to use them, adjusting them to my needs and figuring out what works for me. Then when I get stuck, I head back here to do some reading and maybe ask a question or two, then go back out into the wild with some new supplies.

[–]FatmanO0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hey man, Im in college, what kind of experience will 6'1'' have? and a guy in college? Im both of them so corious of your stance

[–]krowitz11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

no, you shouldn't stop. you should be able to read here and sift through what's gold and what's shit.

find whisper's post on the five stages of the red pill to get where the poster is coming from. which i believe is in the sidebar if you guys actually cared to read.

see, if reading here is unhealthy, you still are easily swayed. you still don't have yourself as the mental point of origin.you still are a follower with no agency.

TRP destroys whatever it is you believe in and puts you to the far other side of the spectrum. then overtime you find your own middle.

Because when you actually get it, you appreciate things for what they are, and not levy expectations to things you should simply have just experienced and lived through.

[–]five_eight2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Outstanding comment. Thanks! Take what you need/want, and leave the rest. I've gotten inestimable benefit from the manosphere if for nothing else to understand what the fuck I've been watching in my life. I'm grateful for the 'answers' to questions I didn't know I had.

[–]GearaltofRivia30 points31 points  (0 children) | Copy

TRP is more than just a red pill. It’s a brotherhood. It’s a group of people, mostly guys, who try to bring each other up. It’s not guys putting other guys down, it’s not guys talking shit just for the sake of talking shit. It’s a group of guys doing things to try to make other guys better. I think I’ll keep reading it. Thanks though. Good post otherwise

[–]samsop19 points20 points  (7 children) | Copy

Of all pills, this is the hardest one to swallow. I'm not even done reading all of the foundational material (apart from Woujo's which I consider intrinsic), and I feel like remaining subscribed to this sub is generally unhealthy. You get a lot of steroid freaks who come in here telling everybody they're pieces of shit. You get dudes who are stuck in a rut jerking themselves off thinking anybody here gives a fuck about them.

Meanwhile I have no issue talking to women or getting laid, I was born with the advantages that make that easy. The best aspect of TRP is the wake-up call it gives you when you're introduced to it and you only need that to happen once, really.

[–]1clon3man4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy

This was a great comment until that last autofellatio section...

[–]samsop4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy

Hahahah. I was trying to say I probably don't need to be visiting this sub anymore even though I still do, I have the tools and TRP gave me a way to use them.

Not sure how it came out that way though. You're right.

[–]skippwiggins0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Shit happens man. Being born handsome and gorgeous is a gift and I don’t blame you for mentioning it. My girlfriend calls me conceited often, and it really is an ugly trait that I’m trying to understand and let go of. I’m only assuming you were talking about being good looking, unless you’re just a naturally confident goof ball? Because that’ll get you laid more than being a gorgeous brad Pitt look alike.

[–]1clon3man1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Being attractive is pretty overrated for men, compared to other things like mindset, wanting to take risk, mental health, and not having toxic friends & family. Once you start to have "real" problems, highschool issues like facial attractiveness become meaningless.

I've been in the place before where, because of circumstance and clothing people think I'm attractive. It's completely useless by itself. It gets your foot in the door with very slutty or insecure women. The kind you're not interested in anyway because you have no connection on a personal level.

I curse my genetic and upbringing lotteries all the time, but it's never because of something as silly as weight or attractiveness. In the real world, people being antifragile in the face of adversity instead of being crushed by it, that's what makes the difference

[–]skippwiggins1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yes it really is about being the entire package. In high school and after I was considered really good looking and I power lifted so I had the muscles, but my mental health and overall personality was just shit. I got with lots of easy women, but my relationships were horrible. Now after years of truly working on myself, I’ve found a woman who truly is the entire package, and I know I wouldn’t of kept a girl like that around had I stayed that fragile boy. The journey of self improvement never ends and honestly I wouldn’t want it to. Healing myself as well as others has been a blessing.

[–]1clon3man0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Man I don't know where everyone else went to highschool. Maybe it's because everyone where I went as an overprotected immigrant family in an upper-middle-class neighborhood. Nobody got laid in highschool. Maybe 15% of people were sexually active in a significant way. All that stuff started to go down when people hit 19-20.

[–]skippwiggins0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I’m sure that’s what it is. I’m a few hours north of Chicago, a high school of 1,500 students, on average. We were also doing mdma, lsd, and lots of pills by age 15. The kids having sex were generally in these groups, but by 16-17 even the upper class ‘preppy’ kids were drinking large amounts of alcohol and fucking like rabbits. Honestly I would absolutely love to go back to middle school/high school, those probably will always be the best craziest years of my life. Don’t get me wrong I love my life nowadays, but there’s something timeless about my experiences back then.

[–]largepaycheckaddict19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy

The Rational Male is such a shitty poorly written book. It feels like reading a sosuave forum dissertation of all of Rollos projected insecurities. He writes in this very pseudo academic way that has a real autistic neckbeard vibe. I can see why he found himself so obsessively immersed in all this PUA nonsense.

If you’re going to read a mainstream male dating advice book No More Mr Nice Guy is decent.

Also one of the best OG red pill texts is The Book of Pook. I like it especially because it has a sort of Taoist frame of mind with respect to dating. After I read this book, I had strong rotations and a coupleLTRs for a few years. Might go back and reread it.

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[–]Tutsks7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yes and no.

Knowledge is nice. But not if it engenders excessive passivity.

If you asked me, I'd say all you need is cocky and funny, and hitting the gym. Maybe a couple things I read years back from Tyler Durden and David DAngelo.

The truth is nobody needs anything. We live sort of a pointless experience, and we are insecure.

Alpha means not giving a shit. But its a balancing act. To get someone, you have to connect. To connect, you need to care. For all of that, you need to relax.

More than anything, people HAVE TO GO OUT.

Contact with girls makes one better at contact with girls. Its a skill like any other. Like riding a bike, or dancing, or not looking like a tube of cream cheese lazily stuffed into a sock, it takes time. It takes effort. Most importantly, it takes failure.

Some people learn from it. Some get crushed and go cope by spewing stupidity about how they are too ugly and stupid to succeed. I'm done arguing with those cucks. Truth is, if someone thinks they are too <whatever> to succeed, they are right.

Learn to fail, and learn from failure. That's really all one, anyone, needs. And patience.

And love yourself. Ffs guys, a lot of you, a lot of us, have had bottom self steem at a time or another. Its normal, girls fill us with happy hormones, lack of them, cuts the supply.

Think of a meth addict in withdrawal coming and asking for anything, even the time, do you recoil?

So do girls.

Point being: do your rehab. Whether its fitness or juggling cats on unicycles, build yourself up. That is the one part thats not optional.

Good luck guys, we are all gonna make it.

[–]Nezith1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Great response, I agree with everything you said but want to also highlight the part about "loving yourself".

I couldn't truly understand the feeling until I tried to take care of myself (emotional/physical health, etc.). And after I did that I realized that everyone is hurting/struggling with something and want to be loved, but often forget to love themselves first. And from then on you can pretty much do anything once you're grounded emotionally.

[–]genital-love6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

tbh, mostly good tips but u can keep reading trp. its just locker room talk.

[–]gulag_disco6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

True about it sucking all ambiguity out of life, and it makes you paranoid. Thing is, relationships with women have always been like that, and without TRP I’d be doing the same shit in my head with different words and a lot less understanding.

Men get this horse sense when their LTR wants to trifle and nag them that it’s because they left that door open.

”Does she take me for a guy she can trifle with? She wouldn’t bitch at a guy she respects” -or some inner monologue like that.

Honestly when that shit gets bad enough it’ll kill a fucking relationship. 100% why I’ve broken up with past girlfriends. What kind of man is putting up with women who are essentially just malcontents year after year?

I’ve been reading Jung and he’s got a killer passage about “Animus possessed” women in Aion.

Essentially, women who are unhappy about their man try on rational argumentation, and the results are fucking disastrous. She wants to argue as if there’s some objective, but the words aren’t the objective, the strife is. He hints that this function is a woman unconsciously steering herself toward being single, but she cant be forthright about it with herself, so she just starts smearing shit all over the walls. That part is my own colorful interpretation, but he says something to the effect that her unconscious aim is to put herself out to pasture.

[–]RP_Throwaway_4U5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Most of you are nice guys and you'll become obnoxious assholes trying to fake alpha. Been there done that.

Every interaction you'll have with a girl, won't be natural... in your head, after doing a certain thing, all you're gonna hear will be "was I beta or alpha for doing this? I think this was alpha enough for her to think this of me" etc etc, because you have too much theory and not that much experience.

Fuck me I really needed to read this right now. Couldn’t have came at a better time (actually a couple days ago wouldn’t have been so bad). I made myself look like a real tool last night because of this very thing.

Thank you OP

[–]MaTArcher5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Loved this article because I was doing just that, : Reading the foundation, side bar, finished the first 2 years of Rollo, fell onto Chateau Heartiste, Woujo and found some high quality material within all this.

From there I took notes on everything I read I'm not finished yet, but I've decided to go back and read my notes when I am.

Recently all my "dates" I have noticed the "was that alpha or beta" type of question afterwards and I very quickly internalized one important thing to get rid of this question which in itself is insecurity :

The ideal Alpha is "Archetype". No one reaches the "Archetype" in their quest but will tend towards it. Woujo describes this a lot in his Keeping Frame subject. From that theory, what you need to remember is that most women do not consciously understand what they positively respond to (Alpha traits). This means that as long as you have an Alpha tendancy in your behavior, alas making a few beta mistakes but keeping your frame inward and outward you will be fine it doesn't need to be perfect, all you really need to be is above average and practice and experience will make it better once you have enough theory.

Good post.

[–]Gozie53 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

RP changed my life for the better. Pick the good advice and filter out the bad. Nothing is perfect.

Too much of any sub will make you crazy. And infiltration of TROLLs will damage any sub.

[–]danielcrestwellbestb4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I hope this is my last post here.

I have been thinking about quitting reading this for the passed weeks. I know it’s been damaging my perception on myself and the things around me.

I’ve never believed in angels or wake up calls but this is proof right here that you need to listen to your gut instinct.

Thank you man. Good luck to everyone out there.

[–]Endorsed ContributorSKRedPill3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

It is easy to read a thousand posts on a forum. But to follow and internalize even one paragraph or one good piece of advice properly requires real work. And in that you learn many nuances that no amount of words could capture.

Your particular problem is one of a lack of intuitive knowing and overthinking. This happens when people read too much and internalize too little. It is a kind of going rambo. Then you rambo 180 degrees around to the opposite end like a gauge with no calibration. Real growth hasn't happened.

Growth happens step by step. You don't just go and try deadlifting twice your body weight on day 1. You don't try dread level 12 right away if you're married and not satisfied do you? There's something called progression.

Second, if you do spend all your time on reddit, there's probably a subtle anger phase going on. You also need to spend most of your time living that life than reading about it.

The worst part is there are always a bunch of people who jumped in on the wagon and who look like they were just waiting to complain and crib about this place giving no valid arguments. To them I say have this to say

This place has the tools, but your growth is your responsibility. If you spend all your time on social media and sleeping late, not being able to do what you want and then blame others for it, you aren't being responsible for your life and you have only yourselves to blame.

Calibrate your time and energy well rather than simply come and crib and blame others for your mistakes. And stop being a herd animal - waiting for someone to try bell the cat and then conveniently joining in to complain. If you want change, you do it.

A bad workman always blames his tools

[–]Dewrdman3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

In short, don't overdose on Red Pills.

[–]jojojijo3332 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

No, don't stop reading TRP, you need frequent TRP injections to fight your daily BP environment. Just don't waste all your time here and go do stuff. You can check TRP every Sunday and when you have a problem for example.

[–]Andgelyo2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree, most of the posts here are mental masturbation. I’ll be limiting my time here for a bit.

[–]I_do_it4sloots2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I came to the same conclusion after 8 years. I’ll be making a big flow-scheme with a pen and connect all the dots, and then gatther some more rl experience until I got it all figured it out

Best post ever made in the manosphere, sticky this, trp is about helping men increase quality od life, not politics

Also, incredibly spot on on the overanalysinf neurosis of alpha beta behaviors um during interactions. It will fuck your vibe up and ruin your chances

[–]Youngyoda892 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The biggest take away from trp is this: don’t think; do.

[–]the_green_grundle2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I still read red pill because I’m not yet in a place in my life where I can fully practice it in the real world. Working on money, better lodging, and a new car. I think I’ll be there soon but for now, I still find good and helpful suggestions here.

[–]gulag_disco3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Haha, we’re in the same boat. The PUA element of TRP is super insistent that this is anathema to having “good frame” or whatever, which when put in that context just seems like some slavish version of self-esteem, which is already a gay concept.

There are just some things that aren’t going to work well for you if you don’t have a lifestyle. You will be judged for what you have and don’t have, that’s life.

[–]the_green_grundle1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

There are just some things that aren’t going to work well for you if you don’t have a lifestyle. You will be judged for what you have and don’t have, that’s life.

Exactly. I firmly believe that it's possible for any determined man to get there. But right now I'm focusing on getting there and building my knowledge more than anything else.

[–]trp3692 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

True and definitely don’t read through the asktrp sub. Complete time waste with the shitty questions that circulate there and even shittier mods

[–]EvelynnSpoiler2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The bad stuff comes from edgy incel/MGTOW shitlords who hate women

[–]AlmostWardCunningham1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed, you have to get out there in the real world.

[–]jansobieski9111 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just don’t be a sperg,

Unfortunately the dominate here.

[–]Loze11 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy

I don't read here as often anymore. Read The Book of Pook a few months ago and now I'm back to it. Everything is making more sense to me right now. I've personally seen men at work shower my crush with attention while I just lean back in my chair with my hands behind my head. Listening to music on my earbuds with my eyes closed. I am the prize.

Also, recently made a post on asktrp that didn't get much traction. If you can check it out I'll appreciate it. Only thing is it's a long post.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K182 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

Are you actually getting anywhere with this 'crush'?

[–]Loze10 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

No. It's the reason why my heart and mind are at war. My heart says use trp to game her while my mind says.. "never compromise on what you want" . I've got a couple other girls to game today, will see where I get.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K181 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

Cool. I love Pook.

That idea of 'no desire'. It's a balance though of still initiating, but without any thirsty, needy, desperate energy.

I saw it written in a comment on this thread or another recently his approach is very Taoist.

That energy of non 'doing', non trying.

But I saw your comment and wanted to challenge you, because we still have to take some kind of action.

[–]Loze10 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Oh well, I did initiate a few times before and we hit it off pretty well. So well we didn't notice a coworker taking a pic of us while we were conversing one day. It was a good laugh. These days I'm just pulling back and letting all the guys at work shower her with attention, etc. I'm saying less than necessary, work related stuff most of the time.

I'm not sure if to hit her with a casual convo today though. What you said there, is the energy I'd like to display. I interact with other ladies at the workplace, walk with them etc so she's seeing other women comfortable around me. What do you think? Also, we've hijacked this guy's thread long enough lmao.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K181 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Fuck it...side thread, haha.

At some point you have to polarize her. For your own sake. You might find you're invested more than you think. Otherwise you wouldn't be so aware and able to recount everything so much.

So while your game is good, non-needy and all you're invested. Best to polarize her and see where she stands.

Pook talks about having that air of indifference, but also being sexy. Sexy takes the lead at some point.

[–]Loze10 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

What do you mean by polarize? Also, she really swept me off my feet with her personality. Haven't met a girl that spoke like that in a long time. Not sure what to do at this point. I'm trying to upkeep my grooming by taking a haircut every week. I've been avoiding her all morning at work, my coworker is dealing with her. I'll have to speak to her at some point.. maybe I'll have a conversation with her lunch time when her coworker goes out to lunch. I like speaking to her when we're 1 on 1.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K181 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Look up polarizing on google. Lots of good info.

Basically, polarizing is when you force someone to be 'yes or no'. No beating around the bush.

When you ask a girl for a number, you're polarizing...she can say yes or no.

When you propose logistics, you're polarizing...she either agrees to meet, or not.

When you physically escalate, you're polarizing...she can either go with it or reject.

Polarizing women gives them a chance to enter your frame.

If they are fuck yes, great. If they are fuck no...move on. There is no in-between. Can't negotiate attraction.

Polarize her soon, because it sounds like you are developing oneitis.

[–]Loze10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you for the feedback. Really do appreciate it. I'll polarize her as soon as I get the opportunity and let you know how it went. Man, I'm looking at my environment and seeing a lot of what Pook talks about play out right before my eyes. I'm only about 7 chapters in again and understanding it all on another level.

[–]Mechero991 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Agree. Get the basics interiorized, come back every couple months to refresh some ideas and keep moving forward. Life have phases, and this is useful in some of them, but once understood, it's healthy to move on to the next paradigm.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

No thanks I'll read it as much as i like

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[–]Gozie54 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

You care too much what people think about you. Even when you be yourself, there will be people out there that think you're an asshole. You can't and you should not, please everyone.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K181 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Adjust, be playful. Positive emotion. Tease, don't destroy.

[–]1clon3man1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's the same problem with all self help advice. The audience is too varied and the aggressive people try to create hard and fast rules that don't work for everyone.

It's become evangelical in nature and that's really bothersome to me. Same thing with self help, big pharma and alternative pharma. Everyone is so full of themselves that they can't look an an issue objectively.

This applies indiscriminately to alphas, betas, incels, etc. People don't know how to be immersed into a debate and really get at the root of an issue, and then come up with a coherent step by step. That's my biggest personal issue; the uphill battle I face is magnified by the 99% of people that don't value the intermittent steps I'm taking.

[–]BIGFACTS981 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is not a problem of reading TRP but a problem of men not fully internalizing the ideas presented.

I read TRP all the time but my fundamental belief is that I am high value regardless, and that if I’m not I will spend my time accumulating such value.

That is literally ALL you need to focus on. The rest is icing on top and technicality to deal with the nuances of various situations with less conflict, though ultimately you don’t NEED 15 articles teaching you how to alpha because the true alpha doesn’t need them.

That doesn’t mean that the alpha doesn’t learn and read to better his circumstances in the sexual market, but that he is not dependent on such information because if this information was taken away from him he would still be fine, or else he isn’t an alpha. If he depended on these things he would not be the one in control.

Letting TRP material cause you to overanalyze and overthink situations is not a fault of TRP material but the fault of men being unable to fully internalize their belief of their inherent superiority over the world and fate and therefore subconsciously still seek to manage these things.

Try this next time you are over analyzing. Think about fucking up and failing hard at whatever it is that you are over analyzing. Then if you can, DO THAT EXACTLY. Purposely put yourself at a disadvantage in the situation and give your mind proof that your value is independent of the approval and behavior of those around you.

In fact any time you are worrying or indulging in negative emotions, understand that you are choosing to do so and that there is no real barrier upwards other than the one you are creating.

Life didn’t say so many people will be limited to x amount of value and others will have more. Life is indifferent to you and therefore does no seek to limit you. In any situation it is only catering to your fears that is that is limiting you.

Lastly if you believe the limits of circumstance and the physical world are in-fact “true” limits, you again are wrong because you did not decide your circumstances and cannot alter them fundamentally. You can improve them but it is not possible to directly change them (yet) ie: you can’t go from 5’5 Asian male to 6’2 white male (yet) simply because we have no figured it out.

If this is off putting to you, understand it is not inherently negative for this to be a seemingly impossible task. You cannot say for sure that being a 6’2 white male rather than (as example) seeking to build a technology that would allow a 5’5 Asian to become a 6’2 white male is going to be any more meaningful, significant, or pleasurable at the end of the day. It is irrational to say that that “limit” is bad and therefore irrational to engage in negative emotions in response to it.

Edit: spelling errors

[–]Endorsed ContributorSKRedPill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fix yourself first and then use the tools. A bad workman finds it easy to blame the tools.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I can add to this you definitely won't find a quality partner. Which do exist. Using the methods here as your map. Especially if you're caught up in this nice guy mentality when you're actually a nice person. Learning healthy boundaries and being confident in who you are is a far better approach than becoming this alpha guy who is great at hookups. Those girls are all trashy. You're not meeting integrated women that way you're meeting women looking for men die their power because they are deeply insecure in themselves.

[–]le_king_falcon1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Mental masturbation is an easy trap to fall into with something like TRP.

Its really easy to feel better off just because you've gained new insight and knowledge. People enjoy that feeling and they can get it without effort, so they continue doing it without doing anything at all to actually improve.

Its very much the same with any sort of self help material.

[–]unn4med1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed. Loved this community but I've stopped reading on here since, since it's all recycled information. All you'll need is the officially-endorsed content.

[–]no_its_a_subaru1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You'll start becoming paranoid of anything a girl does.

I’m man enough to admit that that probably played a role in the end of my last relationship. This is probably the only worthwhile post I’ve seen here for a long tome that’s not some regurgitated bullshit.

Thanks op.

[–]thefudmaster2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm not a huge fan of Rollo but to each their own. Most of the older crowd reads these subs because we are able to impart advice to the younger generation. I agree that a break from reading TRP or any other sub can be a good thing.

[–]patriot4510 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Stop reading red pill material, completely. Read the sidebar, Rollo's book, the top 10 articles of all time on this subreddit and everything on Woujo's blog (really, read everything this guy has ever written, you might as well read only what he has to say and you'd still be good, he knows his shit).

So read or don't read?

[–]CeltiCarpathian0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Trp has some truth, it also has some mistruths, like everything else.

But you're right, there are people who take it too far and it becomes sort of like a parody of itself.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Unsubscribe, I was actually thinking about this earlier but I'm pulling the trigger

[–]TheWalkingNightmare0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Your post reminds me of the movie 'Roger Dodger'.

[–]Theartofsilence0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I strongly agree with this. This community has uplifted me in many ways, but some of the theory posted here is incredibly distilled and not very helpful. I learned enough theory to become a confident and increasingly successful man and now I'm in a great relationship with someone I communicate really well with. I see a lot of rhetoric here that seems designed to put you in your own mind instead of enabling you to just live your life in a full and self-actualizing manner.

[–]uwey0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It is a system only works if you embrace it in daily life, again, if you live a NPC type of life by watch your time washed away, everyday is a lose day to your clock.

Tic toc.

29220.

Time will be up, and anyone will only cry when they see the coffins rolled up.

[–]The_Lightskin_Wonder0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You know it's funny, but this is the cops truth, there is only so much that can be said before you get it, the rest is about what you do with the tools you're given.

TRP has this twisted way of guiding you to the right place, and dragging you down if you try to keep using it to fix your problems.

One of the things that is mentioned and constantly overlooked, is that you do what you please, don't listen to what other people think. Once I stopped reading I still practices red pill, but shaped it to my lifestyle.. and I'm happy.

Enjoy your life more and use red pill as an enhancer not a stencil for how to love your life.

My passions consist of several things, but I avoided one of them for a while, which was video games. I'm good at them and when I play a game I have goals. I'm sitting in the top 2% of players in the game I'm playing now.

I also entered an LTR, but because of the work I put in with red pill it's my most successful relationship ever, and it feels natural. I don't expect a fairy tale ending, and I'm not pessimistic about it either. I've never felt this before either, it's the type of control you look for in a relationship but are too inexperienced to find, so you try to control your partner instead of yourself. I'm happy to say I'm in control of me..thanks to red pill

ultimately I agree on putting down trp, after some time, and focusing on intergrating red pill philosophy into who you are, and live your life.

[–]Zech4riah0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Most of you are nice guys and you'll become obnoxious assholes trying to fake alpha. Been there done that.

Word.

Good post, also the atmosphere here is really toxic which fucks up your even more and the value here after initial reading doesn't compensate that toxicity.

I dunno what has happened but it seems like at the beginning of 2020 it seems that all the mature rational guys have decided to come up and say what they have to say (for the last time?). There is couple of recent posts which give me this vibe as do some comments.

[–]trollreign0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It’s funny how people try to alpha by (often blindly) following what other people say and do what other people tell them to do.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What good is theory if you never test them against reality?

Who knows? Something you never thought possible could happen.

[–]caf_app0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Do yourself one better.

Read the trp for a year and reinvent yourself.

Then, find a nice girl and get into an ltr for two year.

After that starts to break down and you find yourself a domesticated house cat desperately lining for some real life pussy, come back to trp.

It's an inevitable course of action.

Just thank Jesus himself we have trp to guide us through time of uncertainty.

[–]LostInVayne0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

"You'll start becoming paranoid of anything a girl does."

That actually sums up my last relationship with a girl. I was reading too much between the lines and thought that I knew what she was all about, so I treated the relationship accordingly. Definitely dislike how it ended because I became cold and distant "for no reason" as she had told me. Regardless, I knew that I did something wrong there and then because I actually applied what I had learned here, and if it wasn't for my fuck up, I wouldn't have known to not go about trying to figure out what someone is doing and questioning intentions constantly.

Lesson learned.

[–]zgreg11 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I am an older guy dating again after being married for many years, and found some of the ideas here on theredpill and in Rollo’s books / blogs intriguing. I took it all with a grain of salt because every woman and man is an individual, so I know that generalizations based on evolutionary DNA and observed behavior can only go so far. Yet I also found myself with a similar paranoia creeping into my interactions, a lack of trust, reading into everything the woman says, doubting my level of holding frame or degree of alpha. Anyway, despite his admitting a lack of familiarity with much of the material, I think Yaron Brook (who spoke at a 21 Convention years ago) hits the nail on the head in this video discussing hypergamy, emphasizing that we (and women) all have free will and the capacity to override our programming, and we ought to focus on the values we find in a woman beyond sex, that make sex even more meaningful. Don’t just accept the animal wiring, look for higher values, and find women who do the same. https://youtu.be/6fJawBBY0TQ

[–]LostInVayne1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

What you just said is exactly what am going through right now. I see things just as simple as animal wiring and that when it comes down to reality we're all the same people, and I realize it can be toxic to my personal experience. I will definitely check out the video.

[–]linkofinsanity190 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I like to come back to the sub a few times per month to see what cream has risen to the top. I realized a few months back that with game, just as any other skill, you reach a point where practice becomes more important than study. Though occasional study past this point is fine, useful even, you're right about the mental masturbation.

[–]adool6660 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

See I did that, but then I spent more time on purplepilldebate instead. I go to a sub, read the all time highest posts, then leave.

[–]ThomasTheSowellTrain0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Most of you are nice guys and you'll become obnoxious assholes trying to fake alpha.

Fucking this. Sick of seeing people encourage degenerate, immoral, or retarded behavior in the name of TRP because they think it's what tough guys are supposed to do.

[–]prettydirtyboy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you, y'all need to be yourselves. Y'all get so hurt over women you become betas trying to be alphas which probably just ends up being super cringe.

I started researching a little about red pill last week and realized most of the things being said are shit I already know. I know these things and have observed these things about women for years but I'm not gonna let that control my life. Red pill has a lot of gems on women behaviour but you can't be bitter about every last women and think u can approach every single one the same toxic way. Take the knowledge and create your own game that isn't bitter, toxic, entitled, forced, and cringe. Learn to love yourself instead of focusing on finessing women.

FOCUS ON YOURSELF, WOMEN WILL FALL IN PLACE

[–]Aaronindhouse0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think when you have read enough TRP to get angry, that’s when you need to walk away and start employing what you have learned. It’s counter productive to bitch and moan on here all the time. It’s very easy for guys to just come here and continue to feel sorry for themselves instead of make a plan to change their circumstances.

[–]PimpinLikeIceberg0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Side note :

Asking yourself if some response was "Beta or Alpha" is Beta.

Even more : Asking yourself whether you're Alpha or Beta is an indicator of being Beta.

A true Alpha does what he wants & says what he wants. Doesn't even allow his mind to doubt his true nature.

Is this too deep ?

[–]Ajax25800 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I know this is old, saw this while looking up some stuff online and OP hit it in the head, but wanted to add that there’s also a lot of negative energy due to many people going through bad situations which brought them here. This rubs off on you and you become and project this negative bad energy in your everyday life.

[–]Dakstradamus-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree whole-heartedly with op. You have career redpill bots in here parroting RP "tenants" but the vast majority of successful males would never step foot in here. I find it ironic but the red pill preached here is just a sugar pill, with a dash of carcinogenic red-5 to give it its symbolic appearance.

This subs usefulness does not go far beyond a place to let off steam and to find the odd good self-help literature.

There are some really smart guys in here, and the amount of humor and quasi-philosophy you get here is hard to find elsewhere.

But its, plainly put, a collection of pathetic losers reinforcing a loser outlook through shared experience. Thats it. An outlet and echo chamber. Not some enlightening school of thought.

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