Fat acceptance is ridiculous. As a personal trainer I have seen people's entire outlook on life change and they lose weight and transform not only their bodies but their mindsets.
Being 'thin' isn't some made up societal expectation, being a healthy, reasonable size is healthy.
Being healthy is good for you; you live longer, you are happier and life is better lived. To try to manipulate people into believing fat is ok, just to satisfy your own decision and denial is shameful.
I believe anyone who has the ability to should voice their concern over this matter. Obesity is an epidemic and health should be one of the virtues we always strive to achieve; rather than accept the opposite as 'enough
To me, the whole concept of "fat acceptance" is completely insane because I find it absolutely fascinating that we've reached a point in time where people's feelings take prescience over their health.
We're living in a time where a morbidly obese tub of shit who will likely die in the near future if she doesn't change her lifestyle is perfectly content with herself as long as she has enough people saying "Fuck the haters. You go girl!".
I often wonder what it'll take for these detrimental feelings-saving campaigns to cease so we can have a real honest conversation about what it means to be healthy, rather than unhealthy+happy.
The first thing I've gathered from this movement is that it involves a serious lack of agency on the part of the people who want to be accepted for being fat.
Feeling beautiful has replaced being/feeling healthy
I've come to the conclusion that if we all woke up tomorrow and unanimously accepted all these people begging for acceptance for their unhealthy choices, which they are way more often than not in COMPLETE control of changing, that they would not ever make the effort to improve themselves.
With that being said, I believe the prime motivator for these people is how the world perceives them, rather than their own self perception or even their own health. Who cares if you take up multiple seats on an airline or eat a large bag of doritos and a super-sized coke for a "light snack"? You're beautiful just the way you are! Don't let anyone tell you differently! #fuckthehaters
The way I see it, they have 2 choices:
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Make an effort to improve themselves - eat better, exercise, lift, and make some real positive changes in their life - all of which will improve their health and life expectancy.
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Sit around and blame the world for not accepting them as they are, because god forbid anybody tries to school them on their life choices.
I don't see why focusing on laying down the hammer with regards to health and why trying to shift the standard to which people judge themselves while addressing unhealthy lifestyles is such a big issue.
Why is there such a focus on accepting fat people rather than motivating them to make lifestyle changes that will not only improve their lives, health wise, but also make them feel a lot better about themselves, and be a lot happier in general.
You know who actually needs acceptance?
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People with serious mental illnesses that they cannot control
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Men who need support but won't ask for help because of the stigma of looking "weak"
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Anybody actually ASKING for help and actively making an effort towards their goals.
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..but fat people who want to remain fat? gtfo.
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Fuck all of this coddling of the oversensitive.
Lessons Learned:
Fat acceptance is complete bullshit and is extremely detrimental the people involved, their kids, and to society as a whole.
Fat acceptance was created to absolve the unhealthy of any personal responsibility for not only their lifestyle but their unwillingness to change.
From beauty standards, to self acceptance, to the motivation to work on oneself - everything is relative to these people and dependent on external factors (other people's opinions, how high the bar for beauty is set, etc)
If there were a movement that pushed "fat acceptance" for men, you would hear something along the lines of "Why does it matter if he's 300+lbs? You should date him for what's inside. Don't be shallow." But, you don't. Hence, why certain women are completely confident within themselves when approaching any man—they know the rules are skewed for their gender.
How about a poor acceptance movement for men?
Why does it matter if he is 30, unemployed, and lives with his parents? You should blow him for what's inside. Don't be shallow!
You pretty much described Chad to a tee.
Not really. Why is Chad described here as some sort of incompetent moron?
A Chad is just an exceptionally attractive dude who commands female desire through physical presence alone.
Has nothing do with being an unemployed loser (though a Chad can be one).
Of course. Double standards are all over the place.
I think the issue is that there actually hasn't been a fat acceptance movement pushed for men. It might actually be taken seriously.
I like to fat shame, will continue at it and have fat shaming friends.
We need to print some shirts ala
I fat shame and I am proud of it
Fatties not allowed
...so on
Fat shaming works and only when everyone will do it again we will return to normal
Because women aren't on our team. It's a simple as that. Look at how fast the dad bod died, it's ok for women to be loved for who they are but not men.
The dad bod craze is essentially women saying that they enjoy the upper hand.
If the man is less attractive than the woman, social encounters always work in their favour. Having a human equivalent to a participation award means they only need the 5th place ribbon to be better, instead of both striving for 1st place.
No it isn't. Everyone here gets the dad bod wrong. It was about frat bros at southern schools. Anyone in that world knows those guys usually aren't in good shape. But they still have the highest status and thus SMV on campus
It confirms a lot of RP beliefs, but it wasn't some master plot by women. Just them not recognizing or being fully honest about what makes them attracted to a man
You may be correct about how the dad bod craze began, but the movement swept over all of western culture. I doubt a Canadian woman was sitting at home thinking about some southern college student when she started posting dad-bod poster boys on her facebook.
Swept over Western culture?
It was a joke that appeared in a couple articles. It was a less meaningful trend than sagging your pants.
This is the first that I have heard of this "dad bod."
...but then, I am not into social media or television.
It was all over my Facebook in like one week, and then it disappeared. I don't think anybody took it as anything but a joke though.
A lot of that sweeping was culture and different parts of society trying to grapple with the 'dad bod' motion. Was it hijacked by some for their own purposes? (ex: feminists using it to justify a similar 'mom bod' craze, or to point out the 'double standard' in how genders view each other physically), sure. But make no mistake women are not and were never more attracted to someone because of a dad bod
Oh, absolutely. The only way in which women are "attracted" to the dad bod is the same way they are "attracted" to betas- security, having their way easily, that sort of thing
Disagree - I can't find the original article (there's been so many of them).
The original article was all about this woman's insecurity, and how she would rather date a guy who had a dad bod for all of the reasons that we talk about here (and that /u/TheBrokenRuler is mentioning).
Obviously she went to a southern school where being a rich white guy is enough to have status, but she said it made her feel better about herself like 10 different ways in the piece.
That's what she is saying. Not what she is doing. It was an article by a sorority girl at a southern girl (Clemson). If you are not from that specific group in that specific region of the country then it's easy to not read between the lines. If what she was saying were true (which it isnt) you would see women date fat and less attractive men. This isnt the case unless another variable is involved (usually money, in this case the status of being in a fraternity)
I think it's something along those lines you're looking for.
Dammit I posted before reading this. Nailed it.
The dad bod was a fraternity thing and only was okay because these were cool pretty good looking dudes who ran the top houses. Idk how it spiraled out of control. GDI Joe never got away with the dad bod.
You may be right.
Men don't love women for "who they are". Don't make it sound like something altruistic although I'm not blaming you because it is such a widespread notion. Men love pretty women whose personalities are nice or at least bearable. There you go...
Let's be honest. It's also related to looks as female expectation of men has grown beyond provision and protection (they have the state for that now). That's one of the main motivators for men to "get healthy". Of course, most fitness trainers and doctors won't actually come out and say that because it seems shallow.
Today the state is willing to pay for everything. It's crazy. NeoReactionSafe (my favorite contributor here) frequently points out the laws that have been passed to give women access to even more resources. This gives women all the power to do they want with no accountability. And then when the CC train crashes... no big deal. Just hop on the internet and ask Big Daddy Government for help. It doesn't take much thinking to see the pattern here. Supposedly the demise of Rome is to be blamed on women of the aristocracy for abusing power they should have never had in the first place. Time to enjoy the decline boys.
Can you link further reading about Rome and its demise?
Very good history lesson, he has a masters in it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh7rdCYCQ_U
Agreed.
If you haven't already, give Robert Anton Wilson's, Prometheus Rising a read. Skip the woo woo though. He speaks of this observation of feminine desire of security and how it ends up sorta ruining things to an extent.
It's the state for low value women. Or mid-value women who need affirmative action. High value women make 8% more than your sorry ass and don't need provisioning.
Depending on how you define "high value", yes.
In this sense, intelligent women who want a career.
If the USA adopts paid mat leave, that will be one more reason why guys/fathers are irrelevant.
Agreed, although companies would probably cut back on hiring women if they had to give them a paid maternity leave.
Yep, and then more accusations of sexism.
All the social issues where men have all these advantages are only the top 10%. The rest of men they just expect to shut up, work, and die.
It's what the MRA's called the "Apex Fallacy". Anything and everything privilege-related feminists whine about men only apply to the Chads they secretly want to fuck. The bottom 80% of men, despite being less privileged than the average vagina-holder, don't matter.
Yep. There probably is some truth that the heads of the largest companies in the world make more than their equivalent female counter parts. What does that have to do with the rest of us 6 billion people. I'm supposed to feel bad Carly Fiorina only made 48 million instead of 50?
Do you know why it's a complete bullshit looking from the male eyes? Because women are solipsistic, feelz before realz. Women feel happy being a lazy sac of shit, and her hamster will rationalize that it's the norm.
It's a testament to our crazy modern society.
People want to be good-looking. They're obsessed with looks. People barely think about health or strength.
So the only reason most people work out or eat right is to be good-looking, the only reason they hate being fat is because they're not good looking, and the main reason they hate being judged for fatness is because they feel it's shallow to be judged based on their looks.
Fat is unhealthy. If your wife is 300 pounds, she's going to cost more to support in the form of medical bills, clothing, sturdy furniture, and she just plain eats and drinks more.
Furthermore, when you're on a business trip to earn a massive salary to support your massive wife, if the house catches on fire, your fatass wife won't be able to make it up the stairs and get both children out of the house safely. She can't climb the stairs on a good day without getting winded. Add the stress of a fire, and she's done. Your kids will die on her watch.
Not to mention fat women feed their kids shit in an effort to make them fat like her so she doesn't feel so terrible and alone. And they have shit personalities and always have a chip on their shoulder and something to prove, all stemming from their crap self esteem.
Besides being less sexy and crap to be around, fat women are more expensive to support, and they're unfit, shitty mothers. If you can't get your kids out of the house in a fire in two minutes or less, you're an unfit mother. Same's true of fat men. Fat people are just shitty.
When I was in the army, it was part of my job to be in great shape. Now, to be honest, it is just about the look. And the fact that I can pull women with wit and charm does not help my motivation to lift.
I am a complete fucking hypocrit given that my BMI is 27 and may last three GFs were 18, 19, and 20.
There is no fat acceptance movement for men because we have always been allowed to be fat fucks as long as we pulled coin and had something resembling a personality. That is changing now as a large swath of women have their own careers.
Have you tried any sports out? Skiing, mountain biking? Great incentives to stay in shape
This is so true. I like being fit and aesthetically pleasing but I don't do 90% of it for women. I like being able to mountain bike all day at high speed without feeling like death. I like being able to play lacrosse at high intensity for a whole match so I don't get subbed off every single play. I like being able to go snowboarding for a week and not worry about my aching muscles so I can get the most time on the mountain for my money and holiday. The list goes on. I thrive on being active and would rather go without sex than go without my active lifestyle. The extra 10% effort to look good is just an easy bonus.
The extra 10% to look good is a fucking bonus.
BMI is literally the worst indicator of health in existence.
BEHOLD the HORROR of a bmi of 33: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/10/f2/26/10f226d938f1676db3f8fa3bfddbce91.jpg
Would have been even higher in this pic: http://www.trimmedandtoned.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Arnold-Schwarzenegger-Chest-1.jpg
Also, I currently weight 78 kilos on a 178cm frame.
That puts me at the top range of "healthy", and yet, since I was injured, I've lost muscle mass and am at around 25% bfp.
I am FAR from healthy, and have finally started getting back in shape.
Bodybuilders are the exception. I've posted elsewhere the limitations of BMI, but it is easily understood. In the case of the girls I am talking about, they are slim, and I was just being specific. Very few women with BMIs between 18 and 20 are fatties. The other point is that one if 5'9", one is 5'5" and one is 4'11" so you need a metric that takes height into account.
In my case, I am definately not 85 lean kilograms. I should probably lose 5kg of fat and then bulk up from there. When I was a lot younger I was about 77kg or less and I was cut and wirey with great pipes but with what my GF called a "biscuit chest". My healthy weight is probably about where I am now, but with less fat and more muscle.
This. I'm also a personal trainer (full time), and I can't upvote this one enough.
They lack any self-restraint or discipline and this carries over on how an obese wife rears her children, or rather, does not. She just buys sweets and fast food because that is much easier than putting in the effort to make a family home cooked meal. Likewise she knows that healthy children run around and play so naturally she will never ever be able to keep up. The solution? Fatten them up innocuously so that you are alleviated of the responsibility of keeping up. It's ok to be fat anyway right? This fat logic is everywhere and it is literally up to us to be exemplary role models to our brothers, our nephews, and hell to ourselves.
You sound a bit bitter honestly.
I come from a fat family and will admit I'm still fat (230lbs down from 300lbs 4 years ago). I have a long was to go before I'm 180lbs.
It's true it sucks and is bad for our collective healths etc. it's true we all want to lose weight primarily to look good. It's true that BOTH of my parents failed me and my siblings when it came to fitness and eating well.
It's not true that we all have shitty self esteem. It's not true that my mother fattened us up so she wouldn't feel so shitty and alone. It is not true that she has a chip on her shoulder. She is a generally happy and friendly person, she often gets employee of the month, her coworkers enjoy her company.
Am I trying to justify my family's almost unapologetic fatness? No. It needs to change, so we can all be happier, healthier, sexier, and more confident. I agree those people who sit there justifying their weight are assholes. People who are all about "fat acceptance" are assholes. But let's not generalize and say that people are shitty for being fat.
I was just as kind and hardworking at 300lbs as I am at 230. I'm happier, less at risk for health problems, and more confident though.
Good thing you didn't die in a fire.
Love how the people who judge men exclusively on height and penis size try to normalize obesity. bullshit artists
What's even more outrageous is that those people (obviously women) will judge men over things they have no power to change. If you have small penis, you can't do anything about it, if you are short, you can't do anything about it, you just can't, you were born that way, and you are gonna die that way... HOWEVER when men judge women on their weight (which is something that can be changed with exercise and eating healthy), then all hell breaks lose and Uncle Sam creates 10 new laws to make women feel more comfortable about themselves. Fuck logic, fuck common sense and fuck centuries of human evolution.
Somewhere on this sub, I read: "if I'm supposed to accept you for being fat, where is my short guys acceptance movement?" I am going to add balding men movement (yes, i'm balding at the age of 19, FML).
As a short (5'8") man, this hits home hard. Believe me, if there was a workout to do that would help me become taller, i would fucking live in the gym.
Thanks to you guys, i understand that all the ridicule i've been subjected to was just people shit testing me and making themselves feel better. I also realized my own strengths and am going to work on those.
However, whenever i hear someone go, "i hate being fat" i cant help but think he/she is a piece of shit person. There is nothing easier than losing weight. Try growing and stopping male pattern baldness, then we can talk.
True that. The bald thing though isn't that big of a negative, you gotta own it. Friend went gray than bald within a year from 17->18 in high school. He finally said fuck it, and shaved it off. Didn't have the best head shape, but he felt more liberated, and it really set him apart from the group in a good way
I can relate to you, 5'4 and balding at the same age actually.
At some point you just have to realize that most people have such a miserable and purposeless lives that their only source of self-esteem is from putting others down. The guy who's making jokes about your height? He cries himself to sleep thinking about his oneitis. The girl who laughs at you for balding? Even if she was at 10 (which she certainly isn't), she'd only be such for a few years at most and after that her value would severely depreciate.
Lift, dress well, get a proper education and live your life with a sense of direction and you won't even think about putting other people down for such trivial things. Personally I stopped caring about a year ago when I understood that I can't control these things about me and as long as I make the most of what I have I'm fine. Plus, your height and hair don't impact your competence and your ability to be a proper man.
Thanks man. I think of all places, here is where people are most likely to get it. I'm trying to overcome it, but it stings every time when i see a man my age (am in uni) with a full head of hair and/or taller. It's like life/god/universe/your mom/whatever telling you: "go fuck yourself and die"
A breaking point is realizing the proper response is to kick the shit out of life/god/whatever, piss on him, set them on fire, burn their house down and make them look as you fuck their wife.
For the balding part .... hit the deck at 10pm get 8 hours of sleep. Do not underestimate the power of the natural sleep wake cycle. Use almond hair oil daily. DO NOT EVER use any hair gel. Act fast and your hair loss will stop.
I have a doctors appointment not long from now. Gonna ask for finasteride as it's the only clinically tested drug with some proven efficiancy. With minoxidil and nizodil shampoo, i still stand a chance.
Even though keeping your hair healthy might help, if you have shit genetics (bald ancestors) it's not gonna help.
Finasteride, Minoxidil, Pumpkin seed oil, saw palmetto and Biotin are all proven to regrow/stop balding, but yea Fin/Min are the strongest.
If you're already too far gone there's only so much those can do, you have to catch it early if you wanna preserve what you have.
I'm only 5'7" and starting to lose hair. At first it was a bit of a confidence blow but then I realized how trivial worrying about something like this is. If anything, it's probably a bigger deal to you than anyone anyone else.
In a way it's helped me realize that there are some things you just can't control in your life and dwelling on them is just a waste of time. Sure some girls prefer taller guys but if you're confident and own your "flaws" (or at least fake it), then you can go a long way.
You are complete right and there needs to be a whole shift in how health is perceived amongst this generation.
I am currently obese and have lost a little weight, on track this year to lose it all. It's not easy as a fat person but first thing you have to do is accept that you are fat and it's ok right now. However, you must also accept that being this way will kill you inside and out and you must make changes immediately, small or big, you must make them.
Fat shaming should never be the cause of change for obese people, that motivation won't last when things get difficult.
Here, have some internet support for your transformation. I never look down at the fatso guys on the treadmill. They're actually doing something about it. Good on you.
Good on ya man! Fat shaming isn't long term healthy, but if it gets someone off their ass and into a gym the first time, it gets that much easier to go back and find healthy discipline.
Keep up the HIIT! Seeing fat people in the gym is motivational to me. The courage and responsibility of accepting a problem is the first and hardest step to solving it. The discipline to stay committed is right behind it.
I don't even see that much "fat shaming" going on in our society. I personally don't give a fuck what lifestyles people choose to live.
That said, I have tastes and preferences for what type of women I want to date and be intimate with and I won't do that with fat people. The real shaming comes in this movement trying to make me feel like a "bad" person for my ideals and preferences. The irony is ridiculous when you think of it. Why do men prefer fit/thin/healthy women? Because on a biological scale, these women are FAR more likely to give birth to healthy children. Our reptile brains know this and point us to these body types. Science, for the win.
Nothing made me laugh more than the fat chick posing with a male model (six pack and all) and preaching fat acceptance.
Edit: Here's a sample
For fucks sake she didn't even bother to shave her arms.
I threw up in my mouth a little.
Now every ham beast is going to think she deserves a tall fit man.
Women absolutely believe that they shouldn't have to put In any work, but expect men to be absolutely perfect, while still not fulfilling her desires. No fatties period. If she doesn't atleast go to the gym a few times a week or watch what she eats, she's no use of me
Obesity should be considered no different than smoking. In fact, some studies have shown that the health risks of obesity are worse than those of drinking, smoking or poverty.
We don't shame smokers, but there certainly isn't a smokers acceptance movement. Smoking is now considered a stigma, yet we have to accept fat people? I'm not for fat shaming, but these people need to be encouraged to lose weight. In theory, if we tax cigarettes due to the health hazards and to discourage smoking, shouldn't we tax obesity as well? Japan has actually instituted a fat tax. I don't want to get into a political discussion over the role of government here, but if a fat tax were ever tried in the USA it would get killed... whereas people have no problem taxing smokers. I am OK with paying more for health care as a health young male to subsidize people with legit preexisting conditions (the ones that have them due to no fault of their own), however I don't want to subsidize someone's terrible eating habits--I don't think it's unreasonable to have obese people pay an additional surcharge to their health care premiums.
Realistically, a lot of the obesity that we see today is due to our poor diets. If you look in the average American's pantry or fridge, you'll see a bunch of crap. Processed food products. The cause stems from back in the 70's when it was decided that fat was bad. Instead of eating natural fatty foods, we took the fat out of everything and replaced it with sugar.
Most medical insurance plans do now give a discount for members with <25 BMI. This is specifically allowed in the ACA (Obamacare).
Fat men aren't fat only fat women are fat -Peter griffin
Fat men are still fat, though.
Look up Jason Docherty and the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance... died from Morbid Obesity issues.
But they never cared about facts. It's been a bunch of gross self-loathing women from the start, who were given a free pass on their bullshit delusions because pointing out the truth would be "mean" or "misogynistic." There is nothing rational about their movement, so its impervious to logic. No mentally sound person takes them seriously.
It's funny because nearly every man who is fat, knows he is fat and needs to do something about it. Whether they do or don't is immaterial, they know deep down and feel some level of shame. On the other hand, women are told that every size is beautiful, to be comfortable in their bodies! These lies are designed to sell more materialistic products to fat women.
You're not wrong, but even most fat women are ashamed of themselves. As much as there may be a push for them not to be (feels before reals, always) they usually still are. The fat acceptance movement is nothing more than extreme denial and deep down they all know that. It's the same with the anti-slut-shaming trend, sluts know they're not being healthy or responsible, that's why the societal hamster is in overdrive trying to protect their feelings. The hamster will run out of energy soon enough though, it can't compete with intrinsic evolutionary instincts for too long before getting winded, and way too many people see through all the bullshit for it to gain any real traction.
I'm no doctor, but it looks exactly like an addiction enabling movement. Every time I see anything about fat acceptance on social media, I automatically think "alcoholism acceptance." I doubt past feminists would have endorsed this movement, but the identity aspect of social justice has been emphasized so excessively that any and all retards are jumping aboard. Doubtless, at least some contemporary feminists and SJWs find that movement obnoxious.
Women just don't want to be judged by the things they can't fake. That's it.
Fat acceptance is about feels, so logic has no power.
I don't care what people do as long as they accept that I get turned off by too much fat.
You have a point. They can talk about it and do as many day time talk shows as they want it doesn't mean that it's working.
A true body acceptance movement would address people with physical malformations either from birth or through trauma. It would also address heightism is women and shame them for not wanting to date short men. It would embrace genital diversity and raise huge schlongs and tiny peckers as being equal, as well as both tight and loose vaginas. In other words, it would constantly remind us that a person's body is not necessarily a reflection on their character. Fat acceptance is not body acceptance, as it demands that we accept someone's personal choices. Fat acceptance is a form of enabling, just like those who enable overindulgence in smoking or in drinking. If these people spent as much energy getting their lives in order as they spend berating people for disaproving of their life choices they would be healthier and live longer. But they won't, so they'll die early and they don't matter.
The more i visit this page the more I see the hypocrisy in society. Like honestly
Women want to be accepted for they are but won't accept men for who they are.
You guys make some great points. I know why I subscribe to this Reddit now. Frankly, I work my fucking ass off to avoid dad-bod, because I know that people in shape and carrying themselves with pride and dignity get paid more, are more successful, and are happier. Period. But women in the south can tend a bit heavier, to be nice, and therefore they are intimidated as shit by a fit man. It's stupid. Women that are in shape wind up picking a guy that's a chub, until they get that divorce later on in life, and find a man that shares her interest in fitness.
But being fat is comfortable for a lot of these gals, and to be truthful, men too. Betas, I guess. That's debatable if being fat is a beta tendency though because some people eat a lot because they have the coin and life to do it, presumably bc they make bank.
You always see people putting fat women on TV and calling them beautiful but you never see them doing that with fat men. A fat guy can get on occasionally get TV if he is a good enough comedian, but that's it.
The problem is there isn't enough healthy weight women to go around in the USA, UK, Australia. This enables shaming of men who want healthy weight women because healthy weight women are now a scarce, precious resource. The amount of women with an unhealthy BMI has now reached 68% of adult women in the USA and the UK & Australia aren't far behind. This means that only 32% of women over age 18 are of healthy body weight in the USA. Let that sink in. 32%. So by supply and demand we have 85% of men competing for 32% of the women (we'll discount the 15% of men WHO DO like the bigger girls). Of course any guy of a healthy weight - but is ugly and or low SMV - is going to be shamed and told a healthy girl is above him, out of his league and out of reach, only making him feel anger that obese girls are seen in his league, and he's pushed to date them. Slim girls (even ugly faced ones) are fetching higher bids from guys of higher calibre than they are (average guys, good looking guys), so the ugly man who is healthy weight himself and who likes healthy weight women, ends up the loser unless he's a willing pigfucker. This is just how it is. Smart ugly guys who hate fat chicks get out and get a slim Asian girl, they age better as well.
As a girl... this was a beautiful post. I thought the fat acceptance or anti body shamers movement was absolutely ridiculous and could only lead to more obesity etc down the line.
We should have cancer acceptance day.
When you see a people trying to promote shit that's so obviously and legitimately unhealthy you really start to lose the ability to lie to yourself about the world. For some, it could be a good thing. For most, probably jusy another filter to live under and continue being deluded.
On a related note, there was some fake news about some hamplanet who had fallen over in her wheelchair reaching for food at Walmart. She was mocked and ridiculed and of course this article talked about how this brave pig-woman-thing was speaking out against fat shamers. I didn't read it, but it was hilarious the extent people are going to when it comes to deluding themselves.
Honestly, I can only see a full change coming about if enough of these idiots die from their own unhealthy lifestyles that the rest of the world lives simply because of their better choices and continues teaching those. Of course all it takes is one person with a ham-relative killed by diabetes to chain start a movement that leads doctors to inventing an insulin that all but stops diabetes and let's fatties live forever against nature, passing their shitty logic down with them.
This guys videos been plugged here with the same message over and over for the past 2 weeks can we relax
All that matters deep down is if you're happy... if someone loves you for who you are, not how you are, does it not matter whether you are skinny or fat? It's that person's choice to either make themselves healthier or not. It's not for another to decide. Worry about your own body; don't project your insecurities on others.
I don't care, personally, how fat anyone else is.
Once they tell me to change my way of living to accommodate them, that's when I start to have a problem with it.
Why do I have to pay more in tax because we are going to have a health crisis?
I think that's overthinking things just a bit. There are so many different reasons someone might need to have some medical assistance, obesity being one of them. If you were poor and needed help with your medical bills, I'm sure you would appreciate it. Instead of criticizing, should we not be sympathetic? Obese people usually have some sort of mental disorder, or metabolic disorder.
Fat Acceptance is BULLSHIT that is probably peddled by Big Pharma so they have more customers!!
the equivalent of male fat acceptance is the stay at home dads are important tooooooooooo nonsense
Damn, now I feel like shit for being attracted to overweight men/women. It would be so nice to be able to be attracted to someone thin and healthy.
I think the real issue is that men don't actually take these causes to the street. In some cases they do, but usually I don't really see men doing this type of stuff.
If they want a cause to be taken seriously then they should start a cause, not just attempt to highlight a discrepancy by arguing a strawman position.
If you saw a protest for men based on something serious related to mens rights like what you saw with women against Trump, it would likely be taken seriously.
Notice how its called fat "acceptance" instead of "pride"? Deep down, these people know that they have a massive negative characteristic that makes them less healthy and less attractive. Take the fat woman TED talk that Bearing was shitting on recently. She makes fat 'jokes' but you can tell it bothers her. Then, like a big mouth billy bass, she starts spouting buzz words, literally "patriarchy" and "capitalism"; to try to rationalize the problem and cement herself as a victim of some conspiracy.
Don't give them the idea of pride otherwise we are going to have fat whales walking in a fat pride parade.
Actually they will only walk 1 block so we don't have to worry about it...
You should stick to being a personal trainer, it seems that's all you're good at.
Why do the governments in sync excuse the hambeasts, if not outwardly fight for tolerance of this health deficit in people. Not just the government but corporations acting in sync? Because the economy runs on human blood. Think a self focused individual is going to sacrifice their personal health and social economy to drive themselves into the ground to oil the economic machine?
In order to get women into the workforce there must be obvious tolerances created as to attract women into career positions. The other factor is that women need tailoring, unlike men who retard in their social webs, women are more likely to break out of career unless the fold of Matriarchs are in sync with the economic agenda.
The government wants people to burn for economic production. Money buys people, security and stability even if a person is obese though to the varyng degrees there is obesity and there is wealth. Is money and econimic power worth obesity? It actually depends for people.
Fat, Drunk, and Stupid may not be any way to go through life, but it is the perfect recipe for an ignorant and submissive populace.
"You should stick to being a personal trainer, it seems that's all you're good at."
not sure if being passive-aggressive or..
Fair enough that you're feelings are hurt, any comment or is that it?
come on people you know " it works for women, but doesn't work the other way"
it's just how it is.
I just posted on leangains about this. I'll take less competition anyday of the week.
That being said, fat acceptance is a strange and foreign concept to me.
If someone said crack acceptance, it would be outrageous. Yet, on your long term health, it's much worse
I'm not even obese. Are you? Or are you just a cunt?
How about rolling this up from the other end? Why are so many people desperately working on staying/becoming fit? Because if you aren't you are shit to most people. It's ridiculous. If somebody feels content with being fat and dieing young, why force them to change?
The other day I saw "This is Us" star Chrissy Metz on the cover of people magazine ...tag line "I'm Proud of Who I am". This of course referring to her obscene weight. I had the thought that this is no different than showing a woman (or man) holding a carton of cigarettes with the same tag line. The donuts and refined sugars that she no doubt shovels into her morbidly obese body are literally killing her...just like cigarettes. I'm so fucking tired of people calling obesity a disease like you got cancer or something. It's this simple..If you burn off more calories than you take in you loose weight. If you stop eating refined sugar you will also likely loose weight...you can eat as much spinach and carrots as you wan't and not get fat. Television shows even try to trick us by casting huge fat people on shows where there would be none. Lost, Walking dead...i'm sorry but with a scarcity of food while at the same time laboring all day trying to scavenge something...are you kidding me...no fat people.
The answer to any of these questions is usually to follow the money. How many billions would Coke lose every body stopped drinking soda? Now add in McDonalds, Corn Syrup, candy etc.
The second part is most people are lazy and unmotivated. They want to be sold the shake weight, 5 minute abs, etc. Telling them they need to make sacrifices eating and spend 3 hours a week in the gym struggling and sweating is not a big seller.
There was the entire dad bod thing, that died very quickly because it was so easy to create myriad YouTube videos as evidence that it was bullshit.
There is. It's called "Dad Bods."
The appeal the "dad bod" guys is simply having a guy that isn't going to judge her for her shit life choices because he makes them as well. They can both sit on their ass watching lifetime and eating Oreos together. The problem is that it's not sustainable. They both get fat, she dumps him and gets a guy at the start of dad bod and starts all over. She probably gets knocked up a couple times in there to secure her paycheck for the next 18-20 years. Once she reaches critical mass (ie as fat as she can get and still land any dude) she'll settle down with him. A prize landwhale for him to try to mount.
I would argue that the trend of "dadbods" was a construct made by insecure women. I asked my female friends, that why they would choose a man that does not care for his health, over someone that is disciplined and hard working, and the answers were always the same:
"I don't want a guy that's obsessed with himself—a narcissist."
"I think it's cute when guys have a little chub to them. Plus, they're not try-hards."
You get the idea. Any woman that is strong and confident would much rather choose an individual that is focusing on improving their lives, which in turn brings out the best in their parter as it should motivate them.
Honestly, even the girls who say they won't choose a ripped guy would if they actually had a chance. Put a guy with a physique like Brandon Carter(great physique that's attainable natty) in front of any of these bitches who say they don't like guys who are "too muscley" "too ripped" or "tryhards" and they would all go for it. They just say they wouldn't as a buffer from rejection because they know they'll never have the chance and they don't feel worthy of it. They're all crabs in a bucket who will tell you that "muscley guys look gross" but then go get pumped and dumped by the muscley guys if they actually have the chance. Now go find a 10 who knows she can have any guy in the world and she will tell you she loves ripped guys
When it comes to women, pay attention to what they do, not what they say. Case in point: Friend's ex adds me on FB, complains about how my big ass beard looks, then sends me a Valentine's greeting.
Translation: "I want a beta provider who's obsessed with me that I can control."
Never listen to what they say, watch what ( or who ) they DO
Yep! I love how my wife always says she doesn't like alpha guys and doesn't like "when [I] act all macho." She said she's also not into super buff guys.
Yet the more I do both of those things, the more sex we have at home.
The world is filled with nutjobs, you may choose to reason with their distorted worlds where they find excuses for whatever behavior they need to validate or don't give a damn about it, better yourself and hang out with sane people worth your time.
My issue with this is who the fuck cares about people sides yourself? Like why give a fuck about a bunch of people who want to destroy their own lives?
I been fat, then not fat, then fat again and hopefully not again some day. Some people are just going through a shit ton of stress and cant control wtf is going on with their lives. Its not like they are going to be that way forever, some of them grow up and figure out they need to be healthy. The rest that dont? Well not everyone in life is going to be a winner. Chicago is not magically going to be crime free and alabama is not suddenly going to have a full set of teeth for everyone to have.
I just cant comprehend this retarded logic I see all the time on this subreddit. Use your energy and time on yourself. Fuck fat people, fuck crack heads, fuck the broke ass bums on the street corner, fuck the guy at your work whos mildy austic, like really when I go home at the end of the day the last thing I want to think about is how retarded people are living their lives. Its just fucking depressing and I got enough shit I have to deal with on a daily basis to give a fuck if the boogie2988 and honey booboo childs of the world should be socially accepted by society or not. Just learn to capitalize on that shit for your personal gain and let people destroy their lives in peace.
I sell Oreos, Cupcakes, candies and all sorts of shit thats ruining peoples health on ebay, but really I dont give a fuck if this is causing fat people to be socially accepted since me paying my bills is more important than worrying about what the retarded ass news or what faggots on youtube are sayiing about fatass people. Yes, please keep saying its ok to be 400 lbs, ill be happy to sell more packs of diabetes so I can barely work and live carefree while a bunch of random fucks are committing legal suicide.
I completely agree with where you are coming from. Personal responsibility is key. However, it's crucial that we draw a line between accepting fat people and "fat acceptance" for a couple critical reasons.
Truth. I have plenty of friends who smoke. They all agknowledge that smoking is bad, and take the risk. That's okay. I don't nag them. However, if they decided to proclaim that smoking was a lifestyle choice to take "pride" in, and pushed to teach "smoker acceptance" in schools, it would then be our job to intervene and counter these efforts. This is just one front in a larger and more dangerous war on objective truth.
Personal freedom/rights. 70℅ of health care spending is related to lifestyle. Under Obamacare, insurance companies are legally forbidden from charging people with suicidal lifestyles more. This means the healthy are coerced into paying for the unhealthy. The day that the 400 pound man demands that YOU pay for his poor life choices is the day that you get a say.
Again, I wish I lived in the world you described where some 400 pound man doesn't affect anybody but himself. Agree 100℅ with the ideal. But under the current political system you will be slaving away at work to pay for the ridiculous premiums caused by his triple bypass surgery.
Therein lies the problem. Some studies have shown that obesity actually costs more than smoking in the long run RE health care spending. With regard to health insurance, it's also unfair to those that truly need the pre-existing condition protections. For example, someone with a disease that they got due to no fault of their own... M.S., Type 1 Diabetes, etc. I don't have a problem paying slightly more for insurance as a healthy person so that those people can get care. However I really have issue with having to pay more to subsidize someone's obesity.
False. I get a discount on my medical insurance premium for not being obese. Fat people do pay more. The ACA (Obamacare) specifically allows for this. Go read the law before posting "alternative facts".
This is an extremely combative response. Especially regarding such a complex subject, let's try to understand one another.
My original statement was correct. Obamacare plans are priced according to a "community rating," as opposed to an "individual rating" (see links below). This means that only three factors can be used for pricing: age, location, and tobacco use. This means that the system (on the whole) is detrimental for men, healthy people, etc. How does this reconcile with your personal experience? While all plans purchased on an Obamacare "marketplace" are subject to community ratings, various grandfathered plans and corporate plans are currently exempt from this part of the law.
If you receive such a plan from your employer, congrats on the discount. However, realize that incentives for obesity are not "specifically allowed--" it just so happens that your plan isn't regulated as strictly as the Obamacare marketplace plans are. In plans where the regulations fully apply, such discounts are specifically disallowed.
https://www.healthcare.gov/glossary/community-rating/ https://www.uhc.com/content/dam/uhcdotcom/en/HealthReform/PDF/Provisions/AdjustedCommunity/ACR_FAQ.pdf
Thanks for using the Patriotically Correct (PC) term: Alternative Fact, fellow Patriot. You're making a Safer Space for Patriotic Discourse. Please enjoy this Mandatory Meme Dispensation.
The healthy arent paying more for fat people wtf r u talking about lol? Health care cost have only went up since you legally have to get insurance and since everyone has to get insurance, the insurance companies have leverage over the price of care. Before obamacare. premiums were just fine with all the fatass people out there. The healthcare in america is inflated like hell and thats a whole other issue.
People take pride in all sorts of dumbass shit, thats a part of the human experience. Personally I dont give a shit as long as its not affecting me majorly. I welcome all the fatasses out there to keep buying my candies on the internet since while your on here moaning about how bad it is, ill be capitalizing on these retarded behaviors and not stressing over peoples stupidity.
We are, implicitly. As a healthy person, your premiums are used to pay for the costs of sick people. Those costs include treatment for health issues caused by obesity, such as Type 2 diabetes. Obese people require more medical care, which costs money. Therefore, your premiums are covering that.
Premiums may have been "fine" or less expensive for healthy people, but a lot of people could not get insurance (preexisting conditions). The crucial compromise behind Obamacare was that insurance companies had to offer coverage to anyone, however in return (and for that to be sustainable), they required that all Americans have coverage so that the healthy people subsidize the cost of the sick people. It's insurance 101.
Agree here. Part of the problem is that there is no transparency in costs.
Like i said, you can sit on here and whine about it, which will do nothing, or you can find a way to take advantage of it. Going up to fat people and telling them its their fault that your not stupid enough to exploit them does jack shit. Going on reddit and making threads about them being wrong or right or inbetween doesnt actually do anything, AT ALL, it fucking does nothing but make you look like a bunch of gossip girl sluts.
I dont give a shit if the price of health care has gone up since the sales I make cover it. I click a few buttons and some fatasses get all the candy they want. All these retarded social movements in my eyes just screams money. Those fucking idiots are too stupid to think about being taken advantage of, which is the dream for anyone having a business in people like that. I hope every fat fuck out there wants to stay fat forever since that means I never have to work a day of my life ever again.
Fat people are a burden on society. Thats why. Also, looking at fat people is not pleasant.
Agreed, they should be killed on sight and eaten
Cremation is a problem for fatties. What we should do is just melt them down, open an all you can eat fried food buffet. Use the fat from the dead fatties to do the frying. They eat all that food, get fatter on fatty fat and die, providing more fuel for the fryer. It's the ciiiiiiiircle of liiiiife.
I understand exactly where you're coming from. However, I feel like it's my responsibility as a man to give a fuck (especially as a personal trainer) because there are young naive people who may be influenced by these stupid ego-driven in denial fatties which may result in a youth in the future suffering from a degenerative lifestyle.
EDIT: Gayblackmidget's point is also valid.
Um lol what? Its not your responsibility to give a shit if fat people care about their lives or not. Your goal as a personal trainer is to make money selling people training programs, period. If the person who buys it doesnt use it properly, thats their problem. You cant really expect every single person who you train to give a fuck about what your doing since thats not how it works. Your not thinking realistically if you think that every single person you train is going to take your shit seirously. Just be happy they are giving you a paycheck and go about your life.
Personally, I dont give a shit about fat people since they dont affect my life at all. The good looking arrogant retards who think that they are above the world and produce nothing but bullshit are more of a hazard to this planet.
And its not like all fat people stay fat forever. The ones with a brain will wake up and decide to lose the weight whenever the fuck they are ready to do it. It took me 17 years to go to the gym/stay on an exercise plan, but I did it. Sadly though, it came with a big cost. Mentally it drained me and it did not really have the sustaining results I wanted since I didnt do it for the right reasons and thats probably why I ended up fat again years later.
Because there is still a level of social accountability.
Why don't you sell crack or meth? The markup is through the fucking roof. You could retire in 6 months ...
This shit is legal and I dont have to go anywhere to do it. I roll out of bed and theres money in my bank account. Im not trying to get shot in a ghetto or be on cops.
And "social accountability", LOL, im sorry but I thought this is the red pill for guys with balls who are trying to make their own lives happen. Are you sure your not supposed to be on the blue pill?
True. It is legal, but there are still ways to make money, not at the expense of your fellow man.
Yeah, this is for red pill motherfuckers, but (this what I get out of it, ... YMMV) - I strive to improve myself, and improve those around me. Let's all shine together. ... Too complex? OK, let me dum it down for you. ... Are you the guy at the gym who is intentionally giving bad advice because .... "fuck it, it's all about muh gainz."? Is that you? Because I'd rather even help a dude out deadlift me, because his success doesn't negate mine.
But ... to each his own, bruh.
I have serious motivation and depressional issues. I'm between meds right now and it fucking sucks. Try a day in someone shoes before you break your arm jerking yourself off
If you break your arm jerking yourself off, I'm pretty sure that you are doing it wrong
I'm not defending fatsos here, but I don't agree with the usual arguments against fat acceptance and here's why:
Good is subjective, you cannot assume your definition of well being is the same for everybody, because it's not, being healthy is being healthy, nothing more, nothing less.
Potentially live longer, but true.
Again, subjective, being fat is just unhealthy, happiness is not objective, and good health doesn't translate to happiness either.
I agree, my only two problems with fat acceptance is that it promotes the victimization culture that is taking over society these days, and lots of times they say it's healthy when it's clearly not. But other than that, they can eat their lives away for all I care, whatever makes them happy without messing with other people's lives.
I personally find my fat girl friends are a lot happier than me/thinner friends because they've accepted their bodies. Meanwhile we strive for perfection so like I wouldn't wear a tight dress unless I look flawless in it which requires a lot of work whereas they wear whatever and don't care
Totally opposite for me, I'm happy working my ass off and starving myself to look like a greek god. Not because of self esteem issues, but because I'm happy when I see myself work hard for something and achieve it, I feel at my best mentally when I have a plan, a goal.
Again, happiness is not objective, if it were then we all would be happy and living the dream.
Happiness pertaining to body image**
Agreed.. I have never felt better about myself than when I'm toned and wearing something tight because it's a reflection of the amount of hard work I put into looking that good.
so let me get this straight. You are sitting there as a persona trainer ranting because you think other people's bodies aren't very nice.
You may be right but you're still a dickhead. It's really none of your business.
Also no offence but you really don't know how much it can differ between people. Some people genuinely stay a healthy weight no matter what they do. Others put weight on very easily. { This is not made up. It's a fact, and if you're lucky enough to not have to put on weight then good for you, but you make the rest of us feel like idiots.
And if you think it pushes us to lose weight, what do you think happens when we've already been trying for years and can't?
Because i just literally want to kill myself, and you're pushing me closer.
Thanks.
Have an upvote. I don't like OP's attitude either
What the fuck are you still doing on Reddit?
Put a diet plan together and get your ass to the gym. Buy an exercise machine, put it in front of your tv and use it while watching your favorite shows. Stop feeling sorry for yourself. Get out there and do what you need to do to not want to "kill yourself". Move!
i'm at work. I have a full time job unfortunately
Set a schedule around your work.
Here's an example of something you could do:
Get a stationary bike or treadmill, set it in front of the tv, and do 20 minutes in the morning before work and 20 minutes as soon as you come home after work. Set a few minutes on the side to do calisthenics (push ups, crunches, pull ups, etc). Start with 3 times a week (MWF) for 3-4 weeks and move to a 5 day program where you're doing your cardio on MWF and your strength training/calisthenics on T-Th one week then reverse it the next (strength on MWF and cardio T-Th). Makes sure you see a doctor before starting any fitness plan and get yourself a heart rate monitor, and make sure you stay in your target heart rate (google it). Also, watch your diet, eat chicken and fish instead of fast food and snacks.
Set a plan and stick with it religiously and you'll see changes and you'll feel better within a few months, or you'll end up feeling sorry for yourself for the rest of your life. Do you want to get in shape and feel good about yourself or do you want to be a fat 50 year old wallowing in his own misery?
It is very kind of you to take the time to write that for me. I do appreciate it.
Unfortunately I am on meds which seem to have caused Weight gain but if I don't take the meds I have extremely low motivation so it's a bit of a catch 22
Your medications might slightly increase your appetite or decrease your resting metabolism but they aren't putting food into your mouth. Eat less.
So, I work, have another side job and I go to school.
i feel loads better now
thanks so much
When you say job do you mean like a waiter ?
Never been a waiter. I work at a help-desk part-time and I also ghostwrite as a side-job while I go to school for my bachelors.
Stop being a whiny cunt and do something about it. All the fucking excuses in the world won't make you lose your fat.
You want to be cuddled and hear how it is ok for you to be morbidly obese? Wake up fatty.
I'm liking the people on this subreddit less and less. What the fuck is going on, do all the alphas come onto this sub or what?
Because their movement started when models would almost starve to be thin af and then photoshopped to look even more thin. Some idiots though took it to the next level and started promoting that it doesn't matter if you're overweight. It's a fact that being fat is unhealty and that's why it is ridiculous. Because you obviously only see the stupid ones gaining media attention, you misinterpreted the whole thing wrong. Nobody should insult any woman over her appearance, that's just rude. The movement started as a sign against the fashion industry and it is important. The movement promoted initially that you should stop comparing yourself to those models that are starving so they could earn money. This movement should encourage women to live happier. That's it. Just because some fat women twisted this and started shouting "fat is beatiful" doesn't mean the whole movement is wrong. Fat women should still work out as do fat men. Not because the society hates fat people, but rather because it's unhealthy. Please check where movements originated and what they should promote before calling for a revolution. Also if you ever have a conversation about this topic, explain politely why you think it's wrong. If they start a rant, don't mock them. Just go away because they are not worthy of a real discussion.
As a big man myself I have pushed for acceptance of my frame. It doesn't matter to me if I get it or not, I just like talking. I know skinnies with higher cholesterol than me! My third fiance said she didn't like how I ate so many eggs. I told her eggs were good for me, but she didn't like all the ketchup I put on them.
"Oh no! Other people have the freedom to live their life how they want" is all I read. If other people are fat then wtf does it have to do with you? Mind your own god damn business.
I feel like you should AT LEAST be able to reach all your body parts when you shower.. At the bare minimum..
Other than that die early I don't care.. Just less time I have to look at your fat ass sweat walking down the aisle at Walmart
Fatty
You might think that, but have you ever thought about the healthcare rates that a healthy 25 year old has to pay in comparison to an obese 25 year old? Well thanks to Obamacare, if they make the same amount of money, it's exactly the same, but who do you think is going to be seeing the doctor more often for health issues?
There's a reason health insurance policies charge a tobacco surcharge if you're a smoker. There is no such equivalent surcharge for obesity although it has similar detrimental effects to one's health.
False. The ACA (Obamacare) explicitly allows medical insurance plans to offer premium discounts to non-obese members. I save on my insurance by staying thin.