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Goodbye to Good Men

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April 21, 2017
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeL-Fn0V8iU

Jordan Peterson, a Clinical Psychologist and professor at the University of Toronto who recently became famous for speaking out against political correctness, delivered a send off message on a Canadian news program back in 2011 that's packed full of too many Red Pill insights to count. He argues that the good men of yesterday, now considered male chauvinists, are being replaced today by two types of men today: shiftless, low status males (AKA blue pill betas) and archetypal bad boys (AKA dark triad alphas). He explains how modern feminized society demonizes testosterone and punishes boys for their masculine instincts. All the while women can't help being most attracted to the men with most testosterone. So good-natured, well-meaning boys are growing up to become timid men, confused about their natural masculinity they have been subtly punished for. At the same time, they watch and see how women are giving all the sexual rewards to dark triad alphas, the ones who were too far out on the psychopath spectrum to give a shit about the feelings of adults and peers who socialized them during childhood. So they grew up into confident, high testosterone alphas. Thus, even though feminists demonize testosterone and have tried to lower it, they are actually increasing testosterone by creating a society where dark triad men pump and dump, get the women pregnant and get the hell out of dodge, while the truly good men have less success, refuse to get married, or go their own way. Dr. Peterson is heavily influenced by Evolutionary Psychology, and I think this video shows how deeply rooted TRP philosophy is in Evolutionary Psychology.


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Title Goodbye to Good Men
Author ShrinkingShadows
Upvotes 778
Comments 138
Date 21 April 2017 01:56 PM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/42737
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[–]TRP_MushaShugyo210 points211 points  (10 children) | Copy

He was a guest on Joe Rogan's podcast not long ago- an amazing episode, watch it on youtube.

[–]antihostile112 points113 points  (1 child) | Copy

Seconded. Definitely worth your time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04wyGK6k6HE

[–]analyticaltoafault23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy

It is a really good collection of his thoughts and stances on truth and such.

I definitely recommend just watching JP's youtube channel for his lectures and some interviews (I wish some of his really good forum events could be co hosted on his page or he ar least linked to them. We're left to scraping up the source from related videos) as well as listening to his podcast.

That said, time considered, he gets out a lot of info in the Rogan interview and talks for like 90% of that episode which is great as he is an amazing thinker and speaker, so it's a great compacted video of himself essentially.

[–]TheRedThrowAwayPill28 points29 points  (2 children) | Copy

evolutionary psychology

One of the best posts from TRP's heyday a few years ago was this : 1. Introduction to Human Behavioral Biology - Stanford professor Robert Sapolsky

Very eye opening and puts the ground work for much of TRP's claims

[–]kabalaandrew1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That video changed my life :-)

[–]saibot835 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Watching it now. Super interesting and spot on about everything. A must listen. Very depressing though. What a fucking shit show we're up against. This shit is only beginning.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

His self authoring program is great for red pill men. Selfauthoring dot com

[–][deleted] 169 points170 points  (22 children) | Copy

Thus, even though feminists demonize testosterone and have tried to lower it, they are actually increasing testosterone by creating a society where dark triad men pump and dump, get the women pregnant and get the hell out of dodge, while the truly good men have less success

Biology in action. Biology has been at its game for millions of years making sure that no matter what obstacle arises, there's a way to overcome it. It doesn't give a shit about the feminist tirades of the last 60 years. It hasn't even noticed them. Try to game the system and rig the outcome, shit, you'll get super testosterone laden men to either rise against the barricades or see the men replaced by foreign invaders who were never turned into sheeple. You can deny nature, but you can't stop it.

[–]TryhardPantiesON147 points148 points  (11 children) | Copy

You can deny nature, but you can't stop it.

This reminded me one of my favorite quotes.

"You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality"

[–]LiberCas12 points13 points  (7 children) | Copy

Wow, I love that, do you know who said it?

[–]Appleseed1233333 points34 points  (4 children) | Copy

Ayn Rand who wrote Atlas Shrugged, one of the best selling books next to the bible.

[–]TryhardPantiesON1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't know who said it first, but i heard it from Coach Corey Wayne, look him up on Youtube.

[–]JorixKienu4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

"You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality"

I would spell it like :

"You can ignore reality, but reality would NOT ignore you" .

But a point scored for Ayn.

[–]hardlifeman points points [recovered] | Copy

"Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed." --Francis Bacon

[–]ihateyouguys33 points34 points  (1 child) | Copy

Knowledge is power. France is bacon.

[–]wiseprogressivethink11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Allahu Akbar! - Bacon banned in France.

[–]Billee_Boyee5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Don't call me Francis." --Nature, probably

[–]animationphilosopher6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

''When I argue with reality, I lose but only 100% of the time''

[–]L3G10N90 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Did you ever read any of his works? You got me soo interested in reading all of his works now. Very interesting quote

[–]AKnightAlone0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Oh man. Quote just gave me chills. I was just searching the sub for Dark Triad and noticed this top one mentioned Jordan Peterson, who I just found two months ago or so. I've thought intensely about polarity of existence and the psychosexual dynamic. I've even been practicing Buddhism for the last month and a half, thinking about the Yin/Yang concept.

Such a perfectly concise explanation of these things. It's essentially a type of fractal idea. In order to put nature under us, we have to understand it's over us too.

[–]ShrimShrim0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"Biology" isn't the best word, but I get it. It's more specifically statistics, and less specifically evolution.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon96 points97 points  (8 children) | Copy

He explains how modern feminized society demonizes testosterone and punishes boys for their masculine instincts. All the while women can't help being most attracted to the men with most testosterone.

This is exactly the case. Men are either whipped and subdued by our feminist society, or they ignore it and become masculine. The latter is rare. Very rare. There are very very few attractive men who are able to handle this shit.

Most men are either subdued or are aggressively (and unattractively) opposing it with ridiculous illusions of control. Abundance and social skills are more attractive than trying to control situations. Very few get this. Even fewer can portray this well. I know almost none.

Most guys side with women, either with the new style anti-male approach of "yeah, men are bad, men are privileged, women are oppressed and scared, women must be protected" or the old-style protective "women are delicate and weak and need to be supported and protected".

Old style or new style it's the same deal: preferential special treatment for women, and become weak betas in the process.

[–]helicopter_kin points points [recovered] | Copy

Ironically it has become self perpetuating. Women complain about being pumped and dumped by alphas, empathetic guys consciously try to become less like the complaints, women become less likely to want to fuck them and become more trapped in a cycle of dudes that have no reason to commit.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon49 points50 points  (2 children) | Copy

mpathetic guys consciously try to become less like the complaints,

haha the fools. I figured out decades ago that if you want to be the guy fucking her, you should do what she complains about him doing rather than what she says she wants.

If she wanted niceness, she'd go out and get it from a billion guys duped into offering it. There is an endless supply of betas and boring men.

In other words we have a situation where both for the average man and average woman, their preferred dating pool is not interested in commitment to them

Commitment is soooooo not this year.

[–]Docbear6416 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's funny when you put it that way it makes so much fucking sense but for the life of me when I was a little nice guy bitch couldn't appreciate it .

" Yeah those are the guys she goes for in reality , but uhh once she comes to her senses she'll be happy with me" ...yeah that was wrong. If she wanted a good boy then she would have had and / or stuck with one by now.

[–]PM_ME_UR_TECHNO_GRRL9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

Intuition tells me that the person with the strongest grasp of reality controls any given situation. He or she knows the extent and limit of his or her influence, and from that point, the person's sphere of influence can always be expanded. What do you think?

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

Intuition tells me that the person with the strongest grasp of reality controls any given situation.

I see your point, but I mostly disagree.

The person with the most confidence, the most power, the most respect, the most options, the least investment controls the situation. They don't necessarily need a strong grasp of reality to do this. In fact a delusional failure to grasp reality may give them more confidence and control over the situation.

Of course regardless of where you are on the hierarchy, further understanding of reality is in your interests.

[–]TheSelfGoverned2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The person with the strongest influence within the collective has the most power. And the best way to build influence? Spread hate. Ask Hitler about that.

If history and experience has taught us anything...Reality has nothing to do with the opinions of the collective.

[–]1Sir_Distic39 points40 points  (1 child) | Copy

Dark Triad Alpha males attract women for a specific reason. They are not needy. Women despise neediness to their very core.

They give no fucks, so they don't NEED women. They want them for as long as they want them. Then move on. Women love being wanted but hate being needed. She doesn't want to be your mother, she wants to be your slut in the bedroom and your teenager outside it.

Whereas good guys need women. They want them and exist solely to please women. They secretly count how many nice things they've done for them (implied contract, No More Mr. Nice Guy). And feel they should earn pussy/love/acceptance from a woman by being nice and doing nice things. All while having VERY unnice thoughts. Violent revenge fantasies for example. They can't accept that not everyone is nice all the time. I can hold a door open for a lady, smile at her and say "You're welcome" when she thanks me. Or not give a fuck if she doesn't. I can also admit I like shoving a woman's head into the bed, holding her there by a handful of hair as I spank her ass while balls deep in her pussy. Knowing i'm going to coat her face and make her stay there while I snap a pic of it. Because I'm not always a nice person.

[–]wiseprogressivethink24 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy

A number of years ago (pre-Red Pill), I went on a date with a gal I met online. Mini golf and a movie. Had great rapport. Got a HJ and mediocre BJ in the theater parking lot. Her ASD prevented her from inviting me over to fuck, though I certainly tried to convince her.

Couple days later, had a few adult beverages in me, chatted with her online, everything was going normal, but I was buzzed and giddy, so I blurted out how I liked her (and I did). Instant Relationship Death. She quieted down in the chat, declined a future date (for "reasons"), and shortly thereafter we lost contact.

If I'd ignored her for a few more days and let her message me first, and played it cool when she did, I almost certainly would have been smashing her in her bed on Date # 2.

Live and learn.

[–]killermike-el-P32 points33 points  (11 children) | Copy

There are three outcomes. Outcome 1: Over time this society that demonizes men and puts men down will detoriate to a point in which men will finally say "fuck this" and take back control and society will go pack to a stable path. This outcome is long, hard and very unlikely.

Outcome 2: External factors test the society in which men within the society will have to take back control or else the society will fail or be replaced by another society. This is also unlikely.

Outcome 3:External factors overcome the society and after the dust has settled men of another society or various societies will be in control(as this is the default order).

Any of these outcomes will take a long time to come to a conclusion. I predict at least sixty years.

[–]Lateralanouncer39 points40 points  (0 children) | Copy

Outcome 3 is what i believe is happening and fast. You only have to Look at Europe, and how fast the religion and culture is changing.

[–]e4tshit5 points6 points  (8 children) | Copy

External factors overcome the society

Which is why I'm looking for the exit. The only question is where to go, 5 years ago I would have considered Sweden a good option. I still can't seem to understand the precursors that lead nations to adopt multicultural/feminism. I see it as sort of nationally weak immune system.

Scotland seems like a good option. Rich cultural heritage and tradition might be enough to keep the garbage out, I like whiskey, and their wouldn't be too much of an issue with a language barrier so it seems like a fit. Watching the news while I'm still here is depressing but after I get out I think it'll switch to being funny.

[–]El_Reconquista4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Scotland is a gloomy leftist shithole full of cucks and very ugly women. I say this as a man with more than 50% Scottish heritage.

Consider strong conservative white countries such as Czech Republic (Prague is great), Hungaria or Poland.

[–]e4tshit2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I have a bartender friend who is from Poland. One night I was sitting at the bar and there was a group of women next to me being loud and drunk, weapons grade vapid. After they left I waved her over and asked "are women in Poland anything like the women here?".

She put her elbows on the bar and started laying out all the differences between the two cultures (pertaining to women). She basically said women from Poland are way more loyal and more about being of service to men, cooking, cleaning and generally being attentive to her man. I also got the impression that they are more gruff. As in, if you were physically abusive to her she'd be way more likely to take it and stick around.

[–]abc690 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Pretty much the situation in Latin America, with the exception of Chile and Buenos Aires, Argentina

[–]Bandos151 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

What about moving to a muslim country like Egypt or Morocco? no feminist bullshit there.

[–]KingCanuck52 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

because Muslim bullshit is so much better?

[–]Bandos151 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

You dont have to become muslim to live in those countries

[–]red-adherent2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oh no another blue pill loser that thinks they are smart? Is that why you voted for Hillary loser? Lol!

[–]KingCanuck50 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

i bet the locals love kuffar

[–]1OneRedYear55 points56 points  (4 children) | Copy

Welcome to being a black man in america. We got thugs and lames. Chics wanna fuck a thug but marry a lame when they get old.

[–]sadguy88 points points [recovered] | Copy

That's not just the black community anymore. That's pretty much all over America outside affluent white areas and immigrants.

At least black and hispanic chicks are honest about this shit. They say they don't like nice/shy guys cause they come off as "gay", "weak", "losers", etc.

White women on the other hand, love to pretend they are all about the romance and love from a nice guy but are no different.

[–]wiseprogressivethink2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Black women want to marry? Black men want to marry?

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy

This warning is from 2011 Canada.

They should have listened as 2017 Canada is about as effete as any society today

[–]360_no_scope_upvote9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Very much so, I've personally seen the transformation of friends turn into SJW's, close female friends with conflicting view points deleted me off of social media for ''insensitive jokes''. It's all very dreary, and then you see men who wait for these empowered women to hand them scraps for being goodboyes, and when given advice, I come off as a male chauvinist because of my insensitivity.

It's just sad to see my friends literally become pussies and I can't do a damn thing about it. It's happening on a federal level as well, just look at Bill 16, https://openparliament.ca/bills/42-1/C-16/

[–]theONE84366374 points75 points  (22 children) | Copy

A good man doesn't have to be good to women...that he be good to his fellow comrades shall suffice!

[–]sadguy88 points points [recovered] | Copy

It hurts to say but this is true. There's a lot of benefits to being nice with other guys and not so many being nice to females. It's fucked up and most men do the opposite.

[–]theONE84366395 points96 points  (6 children) | Copy

Exactly. Bros are willing to throw other men under the bus for a whiff of pussy and that has to be the most pathetic character flaw of men. Men in unity is the embodiment of Infinite potential.

Always bros before hoes no matter what 4 LIFE!

[–]sadguy88 points points [recovered] | Copy

under the bus for a whiff of pussy

Yeah and I think this has limited to no rewards. I've had guys act like dicks to me around women thinking they'll get noticed but it just makes them look pathetic.

[–]Returnofthemack33 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

even if it has a reward in the short term, you're still an idiot to compromise a friendship over a bitch. The good thing is that many men are forgiving, so when you inevitably ask for forgiveness, we'll get over it. Many of us have been there at one point.

If it's a repeat thing? Then you fucked up

[–]Insydeinformation points points [recovered] | Copy

I never forgive a beta. Building a friendship with a weak male is like building a house on sand. They will always relapse for the right woman.

[–]Returnofthemack31 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree, but if you have some long term friend who makes a mistake, it's not exactly wise to just cut him off for life. If it's a repeat thing then yeah

[–]Appleseed123332 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The only time I was willing to do that was during puberty when a warm breeze would give me a stiffy. The sex drive is just so powerful, and most men have such a large scarcity mindset that men preferring other men (for in group bias compared to currently favoring women) won't happen for a long time.

[–]Returnofthemack35 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

yeah, there's a reason 'bros before hoes' and other such ideas were common in the past. It's unfortunate that so many modern men have forgotten or purposely discarded such sentiments in favor of feminist ideologies that are detrimental to us all.

[–]CanuckinFL3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

There's billions of bitches to choose from. I don't piss where my mates do, nor vice versa. Not even old exes. Nothing there. They don't exist as even potential dates. This is hockey law. Adapted for the manosphere.

[–]ramaga44 points45 points  (4 children) | Copy

After 40+ years of life, being good to men but not so good to women has become my default setting. I go out of my way to be friendly to other men. Women (unless I want to sleep with them) I ignore.

[–]1OneRedYear12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

If only I could. I work with team of women. If I speak to them like I speak to a man I get complaints that I'm being rude or mean. Just straight talk offends them.

[–]Philletto17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

I bet you're not being rude or mean, they need you to be a whimpering simp so they can feel superior.

[–]theONE84366325 points26 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's how it's supposed to be done good sir! Friendships with men is of the soul! It's a functional setup that is at the core foundation of civilization! Men specializing, working together with other specialize men in a team to accomplish great goals! That is true masculinity!

[–]Returnofthemack31 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

there's absolutely no reason to be overly nice or helpful towards women, because a billion guys will act that way anyways. In addition, they'll love you for not being like the other billion so it's a win win

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (2 children) | Copy

A good man is good to everyone. What many people mean by being "good" to women is pussy worshiping and incessant praise. That's not being good to women I would argue.

[–]theONE84366314 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

Being good to women is equal to being indifferent. Anythin' more and you're supplicating.

[–]whuttupfoo points points [recovered] | Copy

Even this doesn't work when the majority of "fellow comrades" are betafied.

They'll shut you down if their beliefs don't align with yours, that belief being treating women like princesses and other men like servants to her. You have to be the general at all times.

[–]theONE8436630 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Betas aren't comrades they're the enemy!

[–]Insydeinformation points points [recovered] | Copy

And should be shot on sight

[–]theONE8436630 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

One day bro I'm just waiting for the alt right Revolution. The next civil war!

[–]Anonyresearcher12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've watched 120 hours of Peterson and read his book.

And doing a degree in Evo Psych

Peterson is excellent.

His grounding in EvoPsych is shaky and based on old Evo Psych.

TRP is ok on the EvoPsych, far from excellent.

If David Schmitt is 10/10 over rice I give Jordan Peterson 5/10 over rice and TRP 7/10 over rice in Evo Psych.

JP is a much better person than the average poster on TRP though.

TRP whines about suffering.

JP bears it!

[–]Canedude0838 points39 points  (4 children) | Copy

The problem with his assertion is that he thinks it is a black and white thing. Remember, you have a ton of guys in the middle: solid, hardworking guys who are responsible. When women didn't have government to cover for them, those men would have been seen as prime marriage candidates, and women had to at least pretend to cater to those guys. Those guys ended up having children, and the circle continued.

[–]helicopter_kin points points [recovered] | Copy

I think the point is the middle is disappearing. That many of the men who would strive to be what you described, would do so for empathetic reasons, and now that empathy has turned them into betas because they are earnestly trying to be what women don't complain about.

[–]rockmasterflex16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy

Anytime there is a middle ground in anything it slowly disappears to two larger extremes.

[–]1OneRedYear15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

The middle class is gone. The middle political landscape is gone. The middle decent man and woman is gone. The middle is gone.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Of course. I can not remember last time I was not rewarded for selfish anf entitled, and sometimes straight evil / psychopathic behaviour.

And every time I start feeling bad and selfish and I actually try to care about her feelings I het inevitably, used for resources, destroyed, cheated on, and left.

[–]monkeycycling9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

he pretty much describes the red pill here https://youtu.be/7uYengUXFG0?t=1456

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

oh god, there's some femiboy cuck still parroting the "muh women make 70 cent on the dollar"

[–]MadDoe2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fucking spot on. Thank you for this clip

[–]Philletto7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

You must never give a woman what she asks for. The emasculated bluepill culture is what women asked for. Its damaging to both women and men.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

shiftless, low status males (AKA blue pill betas) and archetypal bad boys (AKA dark triad alphas).

And given the choice which would you rather be? Not really a tough one to answer for me.

[–]chakijz4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

This man is a national treasure. I believe him on JRE was one the greatest podcasts, and he also has a ton of videos on youtube with great insight. What a smart man.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

What are we going to do about it? Revolt? Civil war! War is man's true vocation in it?!

[–]Merwebb2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Maybe we are living in a massive shit test

[–]swiftp0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sadly can't just brush it off like you would a shit test :/

[–]itsawomensworld2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not sure that I love his arguing style. Ben Shapiro is far better. I watched an interview after this against a transgender guy and he didn't really impress me. It's really easy to destroy the transgender debtate and it was upsetting see the transgender guy say in this interview "I just type in the pronoun on my phone and look at it before I talk to someone" If you can't destroy someone in a debate that says that , you're not a very good debater.

[–]1Jax777899 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

Dark triad simply means you understand the game. That's all there is too it. There is nothing "dark" about being "narcissistic" and requiring charged external stimuli ( psychopathy ) to react. The dark triad test does not measure for sadism or cruelty, it is hard to see what is "dark" in this. It is just unstupid. " Dark triad alphas", when you read this you imagine some vampire-like slayer.

"who were too far out on the psychopath spectrum to give a shit about the feelings of adults and peers ". Psychopathy is a condition that you are born with or that you get if you suffer a traumatic event in your life. It is a defect in the neural structure of your brain. You may be confusing psychopathy with stoicism and social strategy here( playing people like pawns).

What he says is that with Game and/ or High T ( more muscle mass), you slay. With no Game ( Beta faggots ) and/or low T ( Skinny Beta Faggots) you do not.

[–]ChadThundercockII2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

high T but no game here, still no slaying shit.

[–]Trooper_18682 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You have to admit, dark triad sounds kinda cool.

[–]ShrimShrim4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy

Content aside, this dude needs a new outfit. Holy shit, that hat.

[–]obbimauler1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Considering his credibility, we can overlook the fedora. Wearing a fedora wasn't as heavily stigmatized in 2011 as it is now, and I doubt Peterson cares six years later.

[–]ShrimShrim1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Didn't realize the date. I'm pretty sure I had a fedora sometime around 2008-2010

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

How is nobody else commenting on the hat, must not be watching the video

[–]ShrimShrim0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yea he's full M'lady. I can't take it seriously...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

America created this monster. Thus America sucks.

[–]Brennus390-1 points0 points  (11 children) | Copy

What about the kids who didn't care and acted triad from the beginning? Guy I went to school with knocked up a college student when he was 14, breaks the law (and went to jail) regularly, has at least 4 brats by women he actively avoids now, and noticeably gave female "authority" figures the tingles.

How much of this can we really blame on socialization? I don't really think you can repress a natural alpha. He just played nice when he thought it would be in his best interests.

[–]zephyrprime11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

Here we have a prime example of a commenter who did not read the op. This was addressed head on in the op.

[–]newName5434566 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy

Society dares to call this kid a loser with absolute conviction.

I dare to question: IS HE REALLY?

By measuring reproductive success, he's winning HARD.

[–]motorku531 points points [recovered] | Copy

I wouldn't say paying multiple alimonies and being in jail 50% of your life is winning, but whatever

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

He wins the genetic lottery. Our genes don't care about our happiness. They only care about getting into the next generation. The real loser is the beta cuck who raises the bad boys kids and never knows it. He might even be happy but his genes don't care. He loses.

[–]1theoctopuss1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I knew guy like this when I was in middle school/high school. Had two kids from different by 18. By 23, he's serving 15 years at the state pen for felonious restraint, armed robbery, drug posession, and a multitude of other crimes.

The first time he went in was for 6 months. Within 2 days of being released, he was back in police custody and is now serving the aforementioned sentence.

[–]aanarchist1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

he's not an alpha though so much as a wild dog.

[–]Mattcwu0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Didn't care about socialization? Ok, that's fine. Does he make efforts to avoid jail time? Does he lie to police? If so, then he has some capacity to act rationally.
What if he to contribute to society to get rewards? What if "authority" figures were there to help him contribute to society? What if it was in his best interest to contribute to society?

[–]Brennus3903 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Hell if I know, he's a pretty charismatic dude albeit in a sheisty as fuck way

Last I heard of him he's being taken care of by a post wall divorcee

[–]Mattcwu3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sounds like he has it figured out.

[–]Cicuta0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Young women are attracted to bad boys because before we were humans (and then perhaps for a while after that) their traits promised children that would thrive. (Given the context ability to beat up someone and stealing are great survival skills and feeds offspring.) In most of modern society those traits are not socially acceptable but the deep genetic signal is still there and she still responds to it. Today bad boy skips and mother looks around for help to raise bad boys kids. She finds good man to do it usually with the promise of a child of his own. (In the Black community bad boys abound and good men are rare so the government has taken over the good man role. It happens in the white community but less so. And women who only want one sperm and no relationship are raising a fan club.)

[–]selfsufficientnigga0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

'perhaps for a while after that'? Modern humans have been around for 200k years, and only the last cca 12-15k did we have agriculture and complex society that slowly undid the necessity for those characteristics.

[–]workunit130 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Someone video edit out the hat, but aside from that, this guy is absolutely brilliant. His podcast series is worth a listen too.

[–]Willow-girl0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Whew, glad I one before the supply ran out!

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (12 children) | Copy

First off, something you need to understand about success is that it is rarely built by being honest and fair. I'm a lawyer. I fuck over people for rich people quite regularly to make rich people richer. I've got fourteen regular clients who thanks to me are able to save thirty to forty percent on subcontractors costs because I help them fuck over these saps who believe in being good and honest. Even after paying my legal bill at $125 an hour (it's that low so I get paid regularly and on time [one time one of them tried to flake on a bill and I cut the cord o them, made them pay a steep non-refundable fee to get me back]). They still have save tens of thousands of dollars. In essence, free money. The subcontractors get fucked. Sometimes personally bankrupted (owners of the business). But life carries on because they subcontractors aren't going to man up and kill my clients. Nope, not a chance in hell.

Additionally, most people are weak and pathetic. They won't do shit if you fuck them up or fuck them over. The rare few will engage in petty simple violence. But that's the best they got. And plenty of women love an asshole that lifts and achieves success. I've fucked more than a few feminists in the BDSM scene over the years. They talk about patriarchy in public, and I'm putting a collar and leash on them while fucking them and forcing them to bark every time I pound an orgasm out of them, eventually forcing them to howl. And they fucking love it. They think it's a game and laugh about it.

Only God can judge you. Humans are chattel, meat, fuck bags, victims, fools, pawns. Prey accordingly.

[–]25toten19 points20 points  (1 child) | Copy

Some people's existence is to simply serve as a warning to others.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sometimes. Sometimes they are just food.

[–]Mattcwu points points [recovered] | Copy

When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Flamethrowers are way more fun.

[–]JeremyHall1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Patrick Bateman was a banker, not a lawyer.

[–]Codex_Dev0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I'm curious, were you looking to take advantage of loopholes in contracts or using stall tactics in the courtroom to drag things out because most small contractors don't have the funds to fight? My grandpa was the director of a multimillion dollar company in Dubai. One of his primary duties was the former, and to make sure any new contracts were airtight. I've never bothered to ask him about the legal stuff too much but next time we talk, I will mention your post causally and see if he has any stories.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

A mix of the two with a dash of ambiguity and no oral modification allowed.

[–]aanarchist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

most people are unfortunately always going to be blue pill, and are hopelessly dependent on the illusion society has created for them. on the other hand, you do yourself a disservice by believing in nothing besides "survival of the fittest".

[–]-INFOWARS--1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Brilliant. Fuck all the losers who downvote you.

[–]Xenunir0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Joe Rogan's Podcast from Nov. 28, 2016



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