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Nice Guys are Fucking Boring

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September 13, 2017

There are plenty of nice guys out there who are lamenting on why they're not getting laid and what they're doing wrong. They think that paying for dinner, replying to her text messages instantly, putting up with her nasty behavior, always "being there" for her, and providing her with attention and affection while patiently waiting entitles them to putting their penis in her vagina. Nice guys believe that they can earn their way into a girls pants as long as they play by her rules and give her what she asks of them, but by playing by her rules nice guys prove that they have no backbone. By giving into her demands and emotional manipulation nice guys kill any attraction that could have been while simultaneously encouraging her to go fuck a chad by showing her how boring/weak/lame nice guys are.

These nice guys are doing everything that they are capable of to get laid - in their perspective they must be working hard, and hard world should be rewarded. However in reality these nice guys are exerting themselves without any work being done. Nice guys don't understand that they are spinning their wheels without moving anywhere. They fail to understand that always caring and listening to her feelings doesn't produce tingles. They can't see that being a shoulder to cry on doesn't make the pussy wet. They could never understand that a man who puts himself before his women doesn't make one and asshole - it makes them independent. Nice guys fail to take responsibility for their actions. It's like throwing money into the stock market without any experience, plans, or expertise, and expecting a return. They think they should be rewarded on merit alone. They fail to realize that rewards are given based on results, not effort. Most of all they fail to see that despite their endless toiling over their oneitis, they have no substance as a person, their character has no grit, and they are just plain fucking boring.

Let's delve into why nice guys are boring. From the nice guys I know, they usually live a stagnant life style. They haven't gone many places, they haven't seen much, and they haven't done shit. - however the fatal flaw of a nice guy is that they can only accept themselves when they receive validation from others (specifically their oneitis). This means they can't make choices without someones approval. They relinquish the one thing that truly makes them a person - their ability to make choices. They sacrifice their ability to make choices for the safety and security - they don't pursue their desires in fear of reprimand. Nice guys apply a child's idea of morality to the people and women in their life. Nice guy doesn't want to upset mommy because he'll be put in the corner. Nice guy doesn't want to upset Sally because she wan't talk to him anymore. Nice guy doesn't want to upset his girlfriend because she'll ignore him. Nice guy doesn't want to upset his wife because she'll put him in the dog house. Nice guys put off pursuing things that would make them interesting in fear of becoming controversial and losing their approval. They are unable to make choices that would improve their life because they hear and believe "You're fine just the way you are - just be yourself". Of course this is terrible advice, but since nice guys live off of other peoples acceptance, as long as they are accepted by others they are good enough.

So you have someone with little motivation to do anything, who is constantly fawning over girls in ridiculous ways, relinquishes their freedom of choice (for what?), and lives to be accepted. How could such a person develop any characteristics that would make them interesting? How could they have any sort of amazing talent that would be worth while watching? What could they say to you that would make you laugh until you pissed yourself? What could they possibly do to earn your respect? What in the world have they done that you haven't? Why would you ever look up to them? They are hardly a person, they are in denial of the very essence which defines them. How could someone like this make any pussy's wet?

So next time you hear a Nice GuyTM (or yourself) complaining about how he never gets laid and complains about how the girls only like assholes (which is an excuse to make him feel better about his boring ass life), just ask yourself could this Nice guy could just be fucking boring.

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Title Nice Guys are Fucking Boring
Author The_BitterTruth
Upvotes 675
Comments 147
Date 13 September 2017 11:15 AM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/45967
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/6ztvhb/nice_guys_are_fucking_boring/
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[–]Velebit250 points251 points  (22 children) | Copy

Meh. You are painting it black and white. I know plenty of ambitious driven careerist men who are traveling, doing adrenaline sports, organizing fun activities and still total fucking simps for their women.

They are quite ruthless while playing sports, drive fast and aren't afraid to get into a fight, they ain't cowards it's just that they have a very blue view of how women should be treated. Those guys spoil their bratty princess daughters and just see world as an unequal place where women get to enjoy and they feel awesome for spoiling them.

They aren't simps because they are inferior they are just simps as a matter of random events me and you can't completely comprehend.

On the other hand I know plenty of completely useless leeches, bad health, low hygiene, poor, joobless, not even in gang guys who have women fawning over them despite all their flaws because they have game and good looks.

Problem of 90% of people here is that they are: not tall, not funny, have shit example of male to female interaction from family, autistic or plain ugly.

For example it's easy for me to be a "badboy" to my girl because of how my dad and granddad treated my mom and grandmom, but someone raised by a godlike single authority figure of a woman will probably never dare raise his voice at a woman. His brain is simply too wired into that. This is one of the reasons you see all of those single mother raised gang members/army dudes who look for father figures in violent structures being THE BIGGEST SIMPS

[–]priestfrommiddleeast31 points32 points  (5 children) | Copy

As TRM pointed out, you can have a Blue-Pilled Alpha and a Red-Pilled Beta.

[–]jefferson_2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Interesting thought. Anyone want to expand on this, or just their thoughts?

[–]priestfrommiddleeast6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I’m sorry if this is a bit sobering, but it needs to be said. As most readers know, I consider Alpha and Beta abstract terms; they are placeholders for concepts, thus, it is entirely possible for a largely Alpha man to be thoroughly invested in his Blue Pill conditioning. Likewise, it is also possible for more Beta men to be some of the most Red Pill aware men you’re likely to meet. It’s when a Beta man is ego-invested in the Blue Pill that he’s most to be pitied, while a Red Pill aware Alpha is likely to be the most celebrated. But that’s not to say the Red Pill and Alpha, or the Blue Pill and Beta are mutually exclusive concepts.

From Blue Pill Alphas on TRM

[–]WolfofAnarchy3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah, I disagree. All this Alpha-Beta talk is doing too much of the black-n-white stuff, because Alpha means someone living their own life fully, confidently and freely (and being this with women). Beta is the exact opposite.

But, there are millions of men with amazing full lives, so, Alpha, but they're insanely Beta with women, because of conditioning and putting them on a pedestal.

That's the issue.

[–]Velebit5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

The alpha beta terminology is just off. The guy who invented it briefly mentioned it while viewing wolf behavior. He later on figured out that alpha male and female were actually merely parents of the pack (extended family) and that occasional wolf pack coalitions are unrarely even led by female wolfs.

The terminology again gets distorted on every specie dynamic. For example matriarchal orcas and hyenas have a very clear out-family clan system. Where the ruling female is usually the oldest one.

Interestingly in those societies the "orbiters" are the only ones who get to fuck the girls while the badboys get chased away. Female hyenas only mate with their male buddy circle and since they have enormous clitorises they even pound the boys in the ass, sometimes while they eat. It's an intense display of female dominance and female hyenas begin to show sexual behavior before even being fertile.

I think a lot of human behavior is actually because some deep animalistic behaviors are activated that make conflict between our rational and animalistic side. In our society females are increasingly strong or equal so many males are confused as to how to act. For many it seems logical to simply be submissive to them but that is unwarranted because most women are not actually matriarchal. Female hyenas have more muscle mass than males and even a clitoris with which to penetrate others. In humans it's likely if a female is showing signs of "dominance" she is actually testing you. You can make fun of it, turn it sexy but you must not bow down to it. Most women don't like having dominance as responsibility, agency and decision making is not something they are used to. Human males are more willing to accept being stay at home dad than women are willing to be the sole earner. Indeed many women would rather be single than be with a man who is "slacking off".

When I say many I mean many. There are quite a lot of exceptions and for example Brooklyn has a very very large share of wife works, husband stays at home marriages.

On this subreddit the term alpha is usually reserved as a reward for acomplishing certain arbitraty goals. I would say that alphaness is in the eyes of the beholder works. You can just replace it with the word virtuous, and beta with loser and you will understand what people mean better.

[–]redlurker916 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy

Being autistic doesn't necessarily make you unable to get in bed with women. I'm borderline aspi, and while it DOES provide me with a challenge when it comes to socialising and dating, I've still shagged north of a hundred different girls (none of them being landwhales). I'm in no way an alpha nor is my game exceptional, and while not being aspi would make my life easier, it's not a curse either.

[–]Velebit11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

I am happy for you but that is not how it tends to go.

[–]1The_BitterTruth[S] 38 points39 points  (5 children) | Copy

You are painting it black and white.

Yes I do this because it's easier to understand the spectrum when you understand the extremes.

I agree with what you said, you can be interesting and still be a beta, for this post I am only highlighting why (in my experience) nice guys are boring.

[–]Velebit14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

I can understand your motivation but they way you present it kinda makes a logical connection. And without my own experience I would agree. It all makes sense. But from my experience I have met too many quite interesting, funny and intelligent men who are for unknown reasons very simpish.

There is a phenomenon of men wanting no sex with women just giving them money to be spoiled and they only want to see how much they spoiled themselves with their money. I think that is most often called financial domination.

I also heard many men say they have a fetish for spoiling women. They enjoy being macho men but they simply like being cucks for some, probably biological reason.

I think if we hammer smashed every guy willing to pay for womens drinks, 5 mins of webcam titties and other bs we would have a better world. I simply don't believe any amount of talking to them will change the fact that they have a biological need to simp.

[–]fartknuckle486 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy

This is the same shit my old cult used to say, my interest is piqued. Please tell me more about how I should make broad generalizations about nuanced subjects!

[–]1The_BitterTruth[S] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Please tell me more about how I should make broad generalizations about nuanced subjects!

You're going to get this anywhere in life. The difference between me and your cult is I don't care what you believe.

[–]All-DayErrDay2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy

90% fits the bill pretty well because 85% of people are under 6ft.

[–]Velebit1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

meh, in my region men are 6ft on average and women consider 6'2 as desirable and outright laugh at tourists

[–]All-DayErrDay1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

So what exactly goes through your mind when you making a sweeping statement like that. What's the point of sexual strategy sub -theredpill if most people are already disqualified from it from your point of view?

[–]Velebit0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

You are portraying it like I said something really fringe and hard to relate to. I think you failed to see how many people agree and understand why. It comes from experience and experience says there are no easy answers or simple formulas. It's not merely getting big and learning some conversational skills.

There is value to sexual strategy but not a shotgun approach. There is no equality.

[–]All-DayErrDay0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

It's not that it's hard to relate to, it's that it's a zero sum game tilted heavily against most of us in this case and (this is the important part) isn't fixable in any way shape or form at all. In fact i'm glad you mentioned that people agree and understand, but if advice isn't helpful in some shape or form, like you're not tall or you're ugly, then it's not advice and it makes me really question why anyone would upvote it.

I can see why people would upvote 'women are inherently sluts', but why would someone who's ugly or not tall (probably most of this sub basically) upvote a post where the ending states that your problem is that you're ugly or that you're not tall. It deviates so far from what this sub is about, actionable advice or strategy, that I just don't understand it all. If you can see what i'm getting at, there's no connection for me between those two things and upvoting.

[–]Velebit0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

That is how you understood it. You are just not getting the point.

[–]All-DayErrDay0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No I got you now. I didnt understand it that way the first time because generally I've heard the other way, basically complaining about unchangeable things and left it at that. I think you actually make a really great point. We don't live in a one variable world.

[–]1empatheticapathetic39 points40 points  (10 children) | Copy

Before TRP i flirted and stuff as much as i knew how. But i didn't understand the why and how of why this worked. After TRP and losing my oneitis, i learned the fundamentals of ATTRACTION. She has to be attracted to me. And, thats actually the end of it. She doesn't care if im a good dude or whatever. And that is actually a turn OFF for most women. I can still be a good dude..just not to women. They don't appreciate or value it. And it turns them off. So for a better interaction all round, it's better to just treat them like children. Half the time they're just testing my frame anyway.

[–]1The_BitterTruth[S] 22 points23 points  (1 child) | Copy

Once you learn to keep women away from your self worth and self esteem you can start to treat them nicer.

[–]EightyTimes16 points17 points  (5 children) | Copy

"Treat women BAD" isn't the point of TRP. The point is "Don't live life according to other people's stipulations."

Treating yourself like A FUCKING KING will result in sensitive people getting their feelings hurt. They'll call you an asshole and tell you to act in a way that benefits them. Such is life, and TRP teaches you to not listen to them.

Don't be nice because you FEEL that you SHOULD be nice, that it's EXPECTED or that it will GET THEM TO LIKE YOU. That's a losing game. Be nice if you genuinely want to be nice.

Just the same, don't be mean because a group of fucking people on the idiot told you to be mean. I can't think of a WEAKER frame than following arbitrary rules by strangers on the internet.

Be mean if that's what you want to do. You do you kid.

[–]1empatheticapathetic5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy

I never said treat them bad. I can give men the benefit of the doubt, women prefer to earn my respect/trust. I don't act how I should, I act how I want, always have. If that results in me being a nice person, then so be it. In my experience, women don't respect that. They want to earn it like a game. Also I'm not being 'mean' to women because a forum told me so. I'm testing out information I've read on here and seeing what sticks/works for me. You've assumed a lot in your reply. Try not to be so reactionary in the future.

[–]EightyTimes0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Naw, I lose nothing by being reactionary :D

Not targeting you specifically, I don't have time to read your post history, I don't know you.

Comment is for all the young lost guys out there running intro frustration.

[–]illusive_one2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You might lose your jaw being reactionary irl js

[–]illusive_one0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

But none the less i agree with your attitude towards women, u seem like a stiff douche tho

[–]CQC33 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

How can I say this...for the most part, anything goes in attraction so long as you don't project an insecurity of it. Of course reality isn't determined in your head, but the belief of it is what warps peoples perceptions of you.

If you're self conscious about some aspect of you, and then you act awkward when that aspect is shown in public, it makes people cringe. However, if you show that you do not care by actually letting it go, people ease up. They don't care that you feel awkward about it, they care that your awkwardness and extreme self consciousness of it is seeping on to them. Sort of like when someone goes on stage and fucks a speech up, you feel embarrassed just watching them because you know they are feeling it too.

Now, if a dude botched a speech and just laughed it off you wouldn't feel so tense.

Same goes for attraction, obviously traits matter, looks matter, game matter, but underlying all that you have to be feeling what you're putting out.

I've found that body language cues for looking attractive are immensely variable, and that everyone trying to do the same take up space bullshit is just lame. Is that a good tip? Yes, but everyone can break certain rules depending on who they are and what kind of vibe they give off. Tapping your foot and shifting weight along with occasionally closing posture or looking smaller by bringing your arms in. Or, if grooming your hair is something that ends up making you look and feel more relaxed and in tune, then it is worth far more than pretending to be some big swinging dick.

The key to all of these is appearing comfortable in your skin, and you'll find that a lot of shitbags are totally comfortable with themselves and more often than not the stereotypical beta nice guys are not, because they're always alert and anxious trying to consider other people's needs and thoughts and feelings.

[–]NakamuraFan115 points116 points  (27 children) | Copy

It has nothing to do with modern nice guys being 'boring' or having 'ulterior motives'. Women are hardwired to look for cavemen. Their instincts have not developed for a million years. Women are not hardwired to look for modern civilized men who contribute to society and maintain civilization. Women look for the behavioral aspects of molesters, thieves and violent people, because they are the ones who would survive in a caveman society.

You can spend eternity trying to rationalize through strawmen how nice guys aren't actually nice. ("c-c-civilization is boring!", "c-c-contributing to your community means ulterior motives!") But you are only fooling yourselves. These men are nice. Women just aren't attracted to them.

Men have recognized for thousands of years that women are not capable of choosing men properly, because women basically go for the least civilized men possible. Therefore, traditionally family have chosen a husband for her. They NEVER thought that she would choose a good partner.

You can try to tell yourselves that for thousands of years in every culture, everyone has been wrong, except you. But perhaps it is you, who are wrong, and perhaps modern feminist dating isn't as great as you think.

[–]Mr-Ed20932 points33 points  (13 children) | Copy

Hit the nail on the head.

It's always been a weird paradox that women shame guys as being nice in an attempt to get sex. As opposed to what? Treating you like an asshole?

They always have a way of telling us what they really want in the most covert ways. Just got to read between the lines.

[–]1swaglordobama43 points44 points  (12 children) | Copy

It's because the niceness is not genuine. You don't have to be an asshole, you can be as nice as you want, as long as you aren't supplicating.

It has to be coming from the right place. The thing is, most nice guys are fucking needy creeps. They pay for the girl's dinner because they think it'll get them somewhere with her, not because it's something they want to do. Same with buying drinks, gifts, helping her with this and that, the list goes on.

Genuine kindness works, girls appreciate it. It's part of being a gentleman.

Assholes spike emotions negatively, which is better than "nice guys" who are in such scarcity mentslity that they don't risk rocking the boat at all. You can spike emotions in the positive and boost the girl's self esteem, she will love you for it. But, it has to be coming from a genuine place.

Also, if you give a compliment don't linger on it or wait for a response, it should be very nonchalant, sprinkled into the conversation.

You always need a balance, though. If you don't tease the girl, she can't trust you. If you don't compliment or show intent, it leads to toxicity.

What girls appreciate is the guy who holds the door for them and smacks them on the ass as they walk through it.

Just be genuine, but in abundance. Negative spiking asshole gets laid but it's tapping into a dark energy. It's a taking frame, not a giving one.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (7 children) | Copy

I can't decide more if you sound like a feminist nice-shamer or one of those purple-pill dating coaches, or which is worse?

Nice guys are nice. Nice guys are patient, romantic, honest, respectful and emotionally invested. Nice guys don't play games and aren't afraid to show a girl he values her. Nice guys are nice to everyone. If a nice guy wants a friend, he's nice to him. If a nice guy wants a girlfriend, guess what? Yep he's nice to her too! And that's the problem. The nice guy never got the memo.

If you genuinely think nice guys are creepy manipulators then you've either swallowed the lies of feminism wholesale or are a creepy manipulator yourself.

[–]1swaglordobama8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

Have you ever seen a guy talk to a girl and his voice tonality goes into falseto? It happens because he wants the interaction to go well; because he's in scarcity. That is a shitty attempt at manipulation, the underlying communication is that he doesn't deserve the girl. Doesn't matter what he looks like.

General "niceguy" is coming from the same frame. He wants it to work out because he doesn't have (m)any girls in his life, so he does all this shit to supplicate to try and make the girl like him.

The difference is power and force. A person who is nice at the core shows it subtly, not overtly. The niceness isn't some fake shit to try and make people like him, it is just a part of who he is.

Personally, I prefer to be nice, but I have boundaries, and enough options where if it doesn't work out with one particular girl I don't care at all. When I invite a girl out I am screening her and expressing myself.

A good friend of mine is an absolute gentleman. He has girls fawning over him left and right, and he is quite the opposite from TRP teachings. And no, he's not super fucking hot, he's just himself and he has abundance of choice.

TRP is only scratches on the surface of how deep the rabbit hole goes. It is not the end all, don't take it as an absolute.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Three of the most popular boys at school were nice guys. They were mates of mine and I had a lot in common with them except they understood attraction. So I fully acknowledge that you or anyone who is attractive can't also be nice. I just don't accept the manipulation aspect at all. Not one bit.

Manipulation is defined as "Exercising unscrupulous control or influence over a person or situation".

Nice guys often have more scruples than most and have little to no control over people or situations. Neither feminists nor naturals are able to crowbar them into this definition with any intellectual honesty.

Nice guys are guys who don't know what attractive looks like from a female perspective. That's all.

[–]sonder_one0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You are reaching. Attempting to hamster-rationalize in the manner of a feminist.

Sure, you can find a guy who is like you describe if you try hard enough, but the majority case - the case that is relevant here - is that guys are genuinely nice and women are genuinely not interested in them BECAUSE they are nice. It's not about "ulterior motives" or "pretending to be nice to get in their pants." Women are genuinely repulsed by being genuinely treated well by genuinely good men. They just hamster like crazy to avoid admitting it.

The proof is seen in how women respond to men who AREN'T nice.

Remember: It's not about your ACTUAL merit. It's about how she perceives you.

[–]Dystaxia3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

I suggest reading the book No More Mr. Nice Guy for a more complete exposition of what he's trying to get at. The thing is that the majority of Nice guys(tm) are nice so that by the grace of their nice behaviour people will give them what they want. They get frustrated for not achieving their desires despite being the perfect gentleman for people. They put others first as a strategy to accomplish their goals instead of putting themselves first. The result is unflattering, needy, and people who become doormats without understanding why they aren't respected for their sacrifices. The message from the book that stuck with me the most (roughly quoted) is nobody is put on this Earth to put your needs first but you're also not here to do that for anyone else. It's unbecoming and a terrible strategy that unfortunately a sickening amount of blue pilled men have grown up subscribing too unconsciously. By putting yourself first people regard you more highly because of the self-respect you hold and want to help you with your pursuits, personally, professional, or romantically.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

I've read the book and agree that being nice is a sure-fire path to depression and unhappiness. I agree that I was operating from a faulty paradigm installed by my parents. Where I disagree is the presumed motivations of nice guys. I was nice to everyone. Men, women, children and animals. In fact i still am. I didn't expect anything back.

The definition of manipulation is to "exercise unscrupulous control or influence over persons or situations".

Nice guys have more scruples than most (part of their problem) and could not control or influence people even if they wanted to (which is unlikely).

They (we) just simply didn't get the memo about human nature generally and female attraction specifically . It didn't hurt that I was nice to a friend-zone. It hurt that I was lonely and sexually frustrated.

[–]illusive_one1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

He dont feel bad ive been there, transitioned from a alpha teen who didnt give a fuck->a semi beta nice guy adult (cus i realized im a freshman in the adult world and ik nothing) ->alpha nice guy adult who doesnt give two fucks

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Oh no I don't feel bad. My story has a happy ending. I'm a happy, self-satisfied thirty year old who cant believe the negativity I subjected myself myself to as a teen. I get it now and can use my natural looks and humour to devastating effect if I wish.

I just will not accept feminine/blue pill nice-guy rationalisations and will call them out wherever I see them.

[–]Philhelm2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

They pay for the girl's dinner because they think it'll get them somewhere with her, not because it's something they want to do. Same with buying drinks, gifts, helping her with this and that, the list goes on.

Part of it is social conditioning though.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Stop hamstering. Most normal well-adjusted fathers would definitely want the nice guy dating their daughters over the alpha male. What these girls want has such a high failure rate that it led to society choosing their partners for them. They want a man that treats everybody else like shit but, treats her like a queen. A guy that has all women desiring him but, only has eyes for her. A guy that is perfect but, is willing to accept their imperfections and flaws. That's a fantasy. In reality you end up with an abusive non-committal cheater and a very strong chance that you're going to end up being the sole father figure for your grandson because his alpha male daddy is dead, in prison or off fucking tons of other women and creating more babies.

[–]1swaglordobama0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's not what they want hahaha, they want a guy who has options and picks them from those options, because the opposite is the loser who nobody likes. That guys kids will be unfuckable losers, too, and he doesn't have the social savvy to provide for them.

[–]bendsc5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Would I be so wrong in saying the same post as the OP but for nice women? They're boring, not entertaining and not emotionally or intelligently attractive.

[–]illusive_one0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yup i agree thats why u gotta do or say some asshole shit and get turned on by their reaction lol

[–]1The_BitterTruth[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's easy to dismiss someones argument as rationalization, but I don't think you have done a good job to refute my argument that nice guys are boring. Just because they are boring doesn't mean that they aren't also X Y Z.

[–]Mr-Ed2090 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Here's the thing I hate about the 'niceness is not genuine'...

I used to be nice, genuinely nice which was too nice for women. My intentions when 'courting' women were never disingenuine. Sure I wanted to sleep with these girls eventually (and they did with me) but I also had a mind set of it will happen when it happens and I don't want to rush a girl because I like the 'connection' we have. I liked going for dinner with girls and enjoying their company... But sadly it's something I've come to realise kills their attraction.. or more makes it harder to hook up.

Every time ive dated a girl past a 2nd date the girls have fucked another guy drunk and then started dating them for the next few weeks/months leaving me high and dry. Whenever I've gotten​ in there and banged straight up we've always carried on seeing one another. Sex talks to women, more than gestures of affection or kindness ever could.

I still have strong feeling for some of these girls.. But I didn't have sex with them when the time was right and I forever missed my chance.. Despite their hamster excuses I know they were turned off by my lack of assertiveness and leadership in the encounters.

A lack of genuineness makes no sense as a reason of disinterest. If a girl you fancied faked being your friend to come onto you, you wouldn't be offended and say 'uggh I can't believe you were just being nice to get into my pants'. You can't just forgoe being attracted to someone because they made a 'covert contract'. However it makes sense that a girl would lose interest when a man does not lead them and show dominance.

[–]willowhawk0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Not always, remember a woman is hardwired to survive. If a man is too dangerous or violent etc. She will be turned off as to be attracted to him would put her life and offspring at risk. It's a grey area

[–]illusive_one0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lol exactly the like bad boys not psychopaths...wel some extremely fucked up girls do but they are probably psychos themselves

[–]bountyhunterdjango0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't agree. There's a reason that thieves and violent people don't get all the girls in the world, whilst plenty of moral, kind men get laid constantly. It comes down to confidence and attractiveness, and guys that use 'niceness' as a substitute for that don't get anywhere.

[–]logicalthinker10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Actually women prefer different types of men based on what part of the cycle they're on. At least that's what the science says so far.

[–]kapachow-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

How old are you? What dreamworld do you live in? There's no way you are older than college age.

And you are so so so wrong, and sadly, if you stay indoctrinated on this stuff, one day you will break down and realize you have no idea how to have meaningful relationship.

[–]damha_niansah-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Mate, very interesting viewpoint. U got any theory to prove it too ? Or its just tat u realised it ? Pls share

[–]yerg99-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

I can't believe how misguided and sad this world view is. By your logic, our species is mostly populated by "molesters, thieves and violent" cavemen because these negative tendencies get the women. So are you going to fake these asshole traits? or will you chose the noble path of begging for scraps cast aside by violent thugs? Contributing to society is not mutually exclusive with attracting women. This is a logical fallacy called false equivalence.

How about being charming, capable, level headed, influential, creative, share common traits, intelligent, articulate, witty, in-shape, relaxed, confident OR a million other Positive traits that can score you good women.

You do realize the "nice" in Niceguys is sarcastic right? Ulterior motives is a bit of a misnomer because their motives are so transparently passive aggressive. A dirty hobo could be the nicest guy in the world but do you expect a woman to be attracted to that? Would you ever describe your hero or best friend as nice? Probably you would describe them as hilarious or fun or inspirational instead. Women aren't attracted to something simplistic as just "nice", just like you aren't.

[–]priestfrommiddleeast-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sources? Otherwise this is just a hypothesis.

[–][deleted] 52 points53 points  (6 children) | Copy

Dr Glover would be proud- a book in a few paragraphs. Perfect! Awesome!

[–]GODaDaW26 points27 points  (5 children) | Copy

7 hours of listening to his book and this dude said it all in 20 lines

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Currently reading the book but have it on audiobook as well.. how did you find the audiobook?

[–]GODaDaW0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Found it on trp, and i googled the audiobook and found it for free I had to create an account on that website tho

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Ah, I worded that poorly. I'm considering listening to the audio version instead of the book. Would you recommend it?

[–]GODaDaW0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Highly recommend it, so much better

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good stuff, I'll give it a listen after Models

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (0 children) | Copy

Females demanding or setting expectations that males need to be nice is simply a control mechanism. Females are always testing the balance of power in a LTR. Being "nice" in the eyes of a female solely means doing shit to benefit them. I think males need to always prioritize themselves, recognize they have value to multiple females, and avoid being a doormat for the sake of avoiding confrontation. Even if you made the mistake of marrying, you're only a paycheck away from freedom.

[–]CanuckinFL24 points25 points  (6 children) | Copy

i think your point is made-however-food for thought: Maybe women are largely boring, and thus are easily bored.

I think we're being a tad too introspective herein. And I don't think women really care, we are but tools to them really. Even the most dominant, assertive personality has a half life of 3-5 years talking to the same girl. Nope. You do you, unapologetically. Trying to keep women's interest is a zero sum game. You simply cannot. They don't see us as people. They see other girls as people.

Don't believe me? They don't try very much to impress us, maybe about 2 weeks after your first smash, if successful. Then it's the glossed over, big-eye look. The 1000 cock stare. Happens like clockwork.

[–]SasquatchMcKraken8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Most of them are pretty boring. They're consumers of entertainment and attention, not generators of it (except for the genetic accident of being physically attractive). Every rule has its exceptions but for the most part women are the audience, the critics. Once something gets stale they want you to up the ante or clear the stage for the next act.

[–]1The_BitterTruth[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree mostly with what you're saying however I find that they do try to impress when they're pushing for something in return, such as commitment.

[–]illusive_one0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Gotta get ur dick game up buddy

[–]CanuckinFL0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

dick game is up good. Good advice tho, since it often comes down to that and that alone.

But even that, I promise you, won't keep em loyal.

You want loyal, get a dog.

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (4 children) | Copy

How long have you got?

The aloof, indifferent man with no emotion - attractive to women - boring.

The local bully who is nothing without the rep of his surname and who thus is too scared to leave his hometown - attractive to women - boring.

The man with big muscles but no personality - attractive to women - boring.

The high status workaholic with no life outside his work - attractive to women - boring...

The self deprecating stand up comic - beta - interesting

The skinny, beardy intellectual who has passions for art and politics - beta - interesting

The story-telling world traveller who has been everywhere but has no "luck" with women - beta - interesting.

Anyone can be boring. The alpha/beta dichotomy provides no causal link either way.

[–]1swaglordobama6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

You're focused on externals. The truth is, women don't give a shit what you are passionate about, as long as you are passionate about something. Furthermore, like how every guy has a different taste in women, every woman has a different taste in men. Some girls love nerds, some girls love jocks, some girls love artists, etc. Whatever you are, there is a girl out there who likes it. Not every girl obviously, but you're not meant to be with every girl.

Hell, let's say you go out one night. You talk to 30 girls. One of them is into you. 29 rejections don't mean shit. Remove downsides. The thing is, most guys are obsessed with their egos, and they don't want actual results. They want validation from girls because they were a bunch of fucking losers growing up, then they discovered pickup / trp. They spent a lifetime compensating for limited beliefs they adopted to deal with childhood trauma.

[–]1The_BitterTruth[S] 17 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy

This seems to be mostly hypothetical and imo the interesting/boring attributes seems to have been arbitrarily assigned based on your personal preferences.

Anyone can be Alpha in a certain sphere, it's just that some spheres appeal to more women then others.

Maybe to you the workaholic is boring, but to someone who wants to start a business he could be a god.

The skinny, beardy intellectual who has passions for art and politics could be a beta to you but an alpha for a blue haired feminist.

These are based on subjective personal preferences, where as I outline a more objective (still subjective) reason for Nice Guys being boring in the post.

[–]Rollo_Mayhem30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, that is the distinction here. Many people can be boring or interesting even if they are beta. But the point of the OP is that 'nice guy syndrome' IS boring and in fact a sexual turn-off for most women that don't want to dominate/cuck their man. So the comments have slipped away from the main point a bit.

Thanks for bringing it back.


[–]Alex_6421465 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

The problem isn't being 'nice', its not escalating, or coming off as weak/needy, or hopelessly pursuing women that aren't interesting in you. You can have a respectful attitude and get laid, but its not about being nice or being a douche. The reason why 'ass holes' get more sex is because they are more confident and often times know how to talk to women and have had practice in doing so. Also, an ass hole knows hes the shit (know pun intended) and often times knows that dating is a numbers game and is less likely to get hung up on rejections than a more sensitive/needy man is.

[–]Rollo_Mayhem30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yep, I think this is the point the OP is making.

[–]SiulaGrande7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

the fatal flaw of a nice guy is that they can only accept themselves when they receive validation from others

YES. Have you read No More Mr. Nice Guy? Because that book is basically hammering that message home in every chapter: nice guys fucking suck because they don't think they're cool unless other people think they're cool, so they go around trying to be what people want and trying to please others to receive their validation but instead just come across as fake and boring (no personality, no uniqueness, and most importantly, no fucking backbone).

men without backbone are disgusting. people like men that they can respect; if you dont respect yourself, no one else will. period.

[–]Telnets5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy

If "Nice Guys" are so boring, why all the "There are no good guys anymore" talk...

[–]1empatheticapathetic11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

Because women don't know what they want. They can't look at themselves objectively. They want their Chad to have nice guy traits just for them.

[–]Telnets4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah, I understand wanting someone a little less boring when your younger.. but by the time they mature and want something more serious, nice guys have already had enough of their Bullshit. :P

[–]1empatheticapathetic7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

So you answered your own question.

It's not younger and older. It's societal expectation they can get the beta whenever they want. They don't want him, it's just all they can get when they're older. So they say "where are all the good guys gone". Rollo has plenty on this anyway.

They never mature. They just lose options.

[–]Philhelm0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Because a "good guy" is one of the top 20%, most of whom won't actually commit to the majority of women. So while the women ignore men who are more realistically their equals, they are getting pump and dumped by higher status men, thereby artificially increasing their SMV but leaving them without a committed male.

[–]Philhelm0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Because a "good guy" is one of the top 20%, most of whom won't actually commit to a majority of women. So while the women ignore men who are more realistically their equals, they are getting pump and dumped by higher status men, thereby artificially increasing their SMV.

[–]Philhelm0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Because a "good guy" is one of the top 20%, most of whom won't actually commit to a majority of women. So while the women ignore men who are more realistically their equals, they are getting pump and dumped by higher status men, thereby artificially increasing their SMV.

[–]eye_drive5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

Legitimate question here - what to do if you aren't interesting and have no interests? I work 40 hrs a week, go to the gym, enjoy collecting music and going to shows, paying video games and honestly that's it. Not only am I uninteresting, but I have no interests. Nothing stimulates my brain, nothing is rewarding. Life and people in general exhaust me.

It's just a routine at this point and I have no way of connecting with people in general, let alone women. I have no idea what to say to them.

Social activity is draining and rarely is it anything other than demoralizing. I honestly hate the sounds that come out of my mouth - how could someone possibly be attracted to that?

My parents ruined my mind and body with SSRIs and sugar as a kid, and even if I've lost the weight I'm still a disgusting skinny flab-beast.

I honestly have no clue where to even begin, and I'm afraid that there's nothing there for me.

[–]daymi0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Legitimate question here - what to do if you aren't interesting and have no interests?

Find your interest.

Not only am I uninteresting, but I have no interests.

I was like you some years ago. Now I'm in the process of letting my newly found passion kill me from overwork. So there's that.

It's just a routine at this point and I have no way of connecting with people in general, let alone women. I have no idea what to say to them.

That's the age old problem. But really, if it's connection you want then just talk about something in the vicinity or a recent event and be sure to be straightforward and "politically incorrect" (i.e. truthful). Don't agree too much. Don't push it. If they want to talk, they'll talk (... your ear off).

I've talked to lots of strangers now, women and men and they all are human like you and have dreams and aspirations and some of them are interesting as FUCK.

That doesn't help you in getting a woman to fuck you, however. That's something completely different. Learn to detect IOIs (they're really obvious!) and then immediately talk to her - it doesn't matter about what, you can even try saying "ahaaa blaaaargh foo" with the right confidence.

hate the sounds that come out of my mouth - how could someone possibly be attracted to that?

Did you record them? Otherwise you don't hear the sounds from the standpoint of the others.

I honestly have no clue where to even begin, and I'm afraid that there's nothing there for me.

Try different things (one after another).

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

What if you're just a boring asshole?

[–]1Entropy-715 points16 points  (10 children) | Copy

Side step with a physics lesson.

A colloquial definition of "work" is displacement through the application of force. If something is not moving, then no work is being done, you are spinning wheels without effect. Nice guy tactics and strategies and general behaviour don't work! You just end up expending time and energy without getting any closer to getting either a fuck bunny or a solid girlfriend.

Not being nice does not mean being a dickhead, and magnaniminity is is not the same as nice.

Look at your etymology : "foolish, stupid, senseless,"

[–]1The_BitterTruth[S] 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm glad that someone was clever enough to catch my use of "work"

[–]Mr_Brownsword4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy

I thought energy expenditure counted as "work" regardless of results, from a scientific perspective.

Mind you I haven't reviewed these facts since 8th grade.

[–]1Entropy-72 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It might depend in which science. The physics term is well established.

[–]Hillarysdilddo_20160 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

You're thinking colloquially.

A truck is chained to a tree and it attempts to pull it down. The truck pegs its engine at 6000 RPM for 5 minutes straight, squealing tires but the tree does not move.

How much work was done? Clearly no work was done. The tree did not move at all, but tons of energy was expended going nowhere.

Work has a specific definition:

Work = Force * Distance

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

The combustion of gas was moving the pistons in the engine over some distance. The pistons were thereby rotating an axis which was moving in radial distance, that's how the tires were able to rotate. So technically work is done, just not on the tree.

[–]Hillarysdilddo_20160 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

True. Depends on the system under consideration. In your examples W = F*d where the displacement was the cylinders.

[–]Morphs_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Depends if you want a "work-out", which is energy expenditure without accomplishing something useful save for training the body, or want to get something done I guess.

[–]harsha_hs29 points30 points  (8 children) | Copy

I read in this very sub, nice guys are actually trying to fool girls by wearing a nice facade for their ulterior motive of getting her pussy. Girls clearly understand this.

[–]askmrcia10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

I read in this very sub, nice guys are actually trying to fool girls by wearing a nice facade for their ulterior motive of getting her pussy.

I believe women say this shit to validate their decisions in shitty men. I don't put too much stock in what women say. Its just always them blaming everyone else.

They date assholes, who everone knows is an asshole, but then after their shitty relationship ends they say "oh he seemed nice at first, had no idea he would be like that."

I can't tell you how many times I seen this.

Then if they "nice guys" and the relationship ends, its because the nice guy was too creepy or boring or whatever. They will say that instead of saying "oh that nice guy didn't live up to my expectations because I thought he would be the perfect guy, but instead he has some flaws like all humans do. Also its never me, I'm a good woman who deserves better."

And for the record there's a difference between nice guys and simps. Women (mostly feminist and bitches) hijacked the term nice guys and made it derogatory for reasons above.

So now its guys are either assholes or nice guys. Women made it black and white because again, its never their fault.

And yea we have "red pilled" guys on here that act like women because now that they read internet forums they believe they are now "Red pilled" and they can look down on other guys (nice guys).

This whole post reads something like a feminist would type up or something I would see on Buzzfeed or Xchromosones.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy

So why even give a shit at all? I've given the vibe to women that I don't give a shit, and some of them were drawn more to it. Some got the point and went away. More than anything, I have NO exposure to attractive, available women. My life is completely enclosed except for my time in the gym. And we all know easy it is to pick up women in the gym /sarcasm

[–]DocSword1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

What they're saying is that "nice guys" aren't actually nice and view their feigned kindness as a currency they can exchange for sex. If you actually give a shit about a person they won't dismiss you as a "nice guy" unless they're a piece of shit, in which case you're better off without them. Anybody bending over backwards and changing their personality to get laid is way too focused on sex and people pick up on that.

[–]Mr-Ed2094 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

In extreme cases yes.. but I think it's more the lack of assertiveness and dominance that turns them off. They use the 'ulterior motive' card to knock back guys who took them out on dates (maybe paid for them) and who don't end up getting any. 'uggh so the only reason you took me out was to get into my pants?!?!' - when the reality is no.. he took her out to try and win her as a GF and she lost interest because he displayed no dominance, failed tests and she got bored.

[–]OSaraiva5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't even think most nice guys are aware of that. The pedestal is a real thing.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (3 children) | Copy

Cannot believe I'm witnessing such fem-centric, "nice shaming" ignorance? Is the red pill now MSM FI?

Some nice guys are boring.

Some (arguably more) alphas are boring.

I'm considerably more boring than my beta days. Men and women have never found me boring. I simply wasn't alpha.

Nice guys/betas/AFCs are simply not alpha.

That is all.

[–]1The_BitterTruth[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Some nice guys are boring. Some (arguably more) alphas are boring.

Can you argue this?

[–]scamper_22 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

it all depends on what you mean by boring.

one of the guys at work is really nice... to men and wonen. he is also really active. rowing... camping... i cant keep up with his activities. to me he is not boring at all

yet he has a hard time with women. he cares too much about their feelings... is too polite...

meanwhile i know guys who get mad girls but who dont do anything theyre bums who at best drink a lot...but they do pursue women and are sick.

what is the definition of boring... that is core.

to me it looks more like women like dangerous and powerful as attributes... at least the perception. in the ways u speak of not boring... i think it has to do with being powerful.

if ur not powerful u do have to tip toe and not offend..

[–]1The_BitterTruth[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You have brought up the interesting idea of perspective - maybe this is a road you should continue traveling down.

[–]Mr-Ed2092 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good point on giving into their demands etc and killing any sexual tension. That's the thing that always fucked me over in the past and it took me ages to realise it. Not knowing when a girl was 'testing' etc.

That's the main thing. It's not that she was so offended by your 'covert intentions' (which most of the time arr not that covert). It's that she's turned off by a complete lack of assertiveness in most cases.

[–]supremelummox3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

You're describing me. How do I change?

[–]AGameofTrolls3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

So, how do you actually turn around this sad situation? I'm doing a lot of TRP reading here, but I find it a bit difficult to put into practice.

[–]Dammad 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

The more I visit this forum, the more it just seems to boil down to "be an asshole and get laid." Talk about "boring." I'm pretty sure that the same philosophy that monkeys have.

[–]EightyTimes19 points20 points  (1 child) | Copy

Don't be a fucking derptard and look past the surface words.

It boils down to: Take care of yourself like a responsible adult. Taking care of yourself means your woman doesn't have to take care of you like she was your mom.

That's all this entire sub boils down to: Be a goddamn man and take care of yourself.

The problem is that people who take care of themselves sometimes can appear as if they're 'assholes' because they don't arbitrarily put random women's needs in front of their own.

Well that's life.

Your one-dimensional interpretation of the advice is 'boring'.

[–]SamTheRockSinger0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

But what do you mean by treating yourself like a king ? Everybody says that but nobody explicitly says what it means ? Going to gym ? Having a nice haircut ? What are you talking about more specifically ?

[–]Whitified2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

its funny: we can talk pages and pages about how a man should improve himself, focus on his life, treat kimself like a king! How to work towards confidence, be successful and happy, not to let anyone treat him like shit... and the World just labels it as "you're an asshole."

The same message delivered to women would be "empowering".

[–]137thNemesis0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Do I not look like a fucking monkey to you?

[–]25toten0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Because using intelligence is the last thing we oughta do.

[–]Xtermix0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Monkeys probably get laid more than you..

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Of course it's subjective it's gained from my life's experiences.

I've been both and back then I was travelling, "socialising" (in quite an extreme way) and had much more friends as a no-game nice guy. I was happy(ish). The only thing missing was women didn't want to fuck me because of my occasional unconscious supplications.

Boring is indeed subjective why is why you'll struggle with a title "Nice Guys are Fucking Boring"

[–]LOST_TALE1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nice bolds man, good for tldr

[–]TunedtoPerfection1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

the fatal flaw of a nice guy is that they can only accept themselves when they receive validation from others

This is the best take away from this. This is why nice guys are trampled on in the dating game. They will do/say something, then stop everything to look around and confirm what they did/said was received well. They can't hold a conversation because everything they say is a response in order to get validation, it makes people tired. They can't do anything genuinely nice, because the moment they do anything they instantly seek the validation for the action. Once more social adept people notice this behavior in you, they will stay away from you.

[–]macaroon181 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Treating people well and needing to pleasing people are not the same thing.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

What is your angle Bitter Truth? If it's a kick up the arse then fair enough but if not (and given the glee you take kicking betas while they're down I suspect not) this leads me to suspect you lack empathy/are a woman?

No man who has struggled could be so blasé about the hell of sexual frustration.

[–]1The_BitterTruth[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

you lack empathy

Yes and no. I share my ideas with the hopes of both refining them and helping others.

No man who has struggled could be so blasé about the hell of sexual frustration.

There has been many times I've put my neck out for men that "Wanted to change" but did nothing except waste my time and energy trying to help them. I have come to the conclusion that most people in their current circumstances deserve to be there.

I don't feel bad for anyone that has it worse than me, but there is nothing preventing me from helping someone in an unfortunate situation.

Hopefully this answered your question somewhat.

[–]FlamingAmmosexual6 points7 points  (16 children) | Copy

Nice guys are really pieces of shit. They really think after so many nice tokens they give a girl they're obligated to sleep with them. That's manipulative and underhanded as they're not doing things to be nice. They're doing it for their own personal gain.

[–]slothsenpai39 points40 points  (10 children) | Copy

Call nice guys boring, beta or unattractive all we like but let's not contribute to this gynocentric nonsense of demonising nice guys as truly "malevolent, manipulative" creatures when in nature they're just misguided and awkward.

[–]DysfunctionalBrother4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Pieces of shit? I think they are just doing what girls their age and their mothers always told them to do. Be nice and girls will like you. It's not a nice guys fault that he got given the wrong map and besides women manipulate men all the time to get them to do things for them, especially nice guys.

[–]1The_BitterTruth[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Aren't we all? Nice guys are just dishonest about it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I wouldn't go that far. I would say that they've been lied to, though.

[–]SamTheRockSinger0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

But how is it different from an alpha ? He also manipulates girls for sex? You make it sound like alphas are righteous beings that have no ulterior purpose when talking to women, when in reality they are doing it just for sex. I will never understand why these self-proclaimed alphas always demonize nice guys for trying to get the same results as an alpha.

[–]SpecOpsAlpha1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Do you WANT a woman who prefers arrogant meatheads to decent men? Those kinds of women wind up living with cats. They aren't worth piss.

Find a decent girl who appreciates a nice thoughtful guy, a girl with a brain who has a good job or good major, who doesn't fuck without any morals or scruples.

Red Pill...you'll be a lot happier in the long run.

[–]kyle768 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

So How does one become interesting?

[–]1empatheticapathetic2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I have trouble with this but as far as I understand it's a mixture of: following their own interests unashamedly and being able to bring other people to understand why they're so interested in something. And have many different interests.

It helps honestly if these interests are mainstream enough for your average basic bitch to get behind. If it's taxidermy they might just pass. If it's being a DJ they can deal with that.

Not caring what people think about your interests (DGAF) while being able to make that person also interested in it. It's a bit of an oxymoron. But it's also a test of your frame.

[–]JaYogi0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed be passionate. Bitches love that shit.

[–]LOST_TALE0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

not if you're a sadist black widow

[–]Lost_soul950 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Finally some good advice. I hate that I'm a nice guy. I don't wanna be a nice guy. My dad died when I was 15, and I was raised by my mom. I have a sister that's my age too. We're all a super close nit family and I'm literally the nicest guy ever. FML though because I know bitches ain't like that shit (lemme tell you from experience). To make matters worse, I'm like only 5"8 and on top of that I'm disabled. I have a form of muscular dystrophy (which unfortunately comes with an inferiority complex attatched, but the condition itself only prevents me from lifting heavy things, going up stairs, running etc..) (I still try to max out my smv, I have a decent car, Jewellery, watch, clothes, haircut, beard )

I lost my virginity to a fat ugly 0.003 . Funny enough it was for a gram of weed too. I just don't know man I'm about ready to give up with this shit. Might as well just go back home and get married at this point. I haven't been out in a long ass time, but hey maybe next time I go out I might get lucky. Any help would be appreciated.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You do want to be a nice guy. If you're a douchebag to anyone, I won't have it. If you want tips to actually get with people that are actually good, let me know.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm a nice guy and I can get with anyone anytime. So your whole thing is way off.

[–]CrimsonEllipse0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

They think that paying for dinner, replying to her text messages instantly, putting up with her nasty behavior, always "being there" for her, and providing her with attention and affection while patiently waiting entitles them to putting their penis in her vagina.

Nice guys believe this because they have been taught that this is how it works their entire life. And when they start to connect the dots and start asking why they aren't having success despite following the script, they have the rug pulled out from under them and are met with YOU SHITLORD I AM NOT A SEX VENDING MACHINE THAT YOU PUT NICE COINS INTO.

They aren't that way because they are boring, it's because they have been brainwashed.

It's not really their fault. They just need to be shown the way - but like unplugging from the matrix, they have to be ready first.

[–]chronosthetitan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Didn't bother to read the whole thing. General rule of thumb is that they aren't emotionally stimulating. Why do you think wittty above average looking guys have more luck than the traditional guy?

[–]Widowmaker_Only0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is new and exciting, not serious. Both women, men and life are boring in general. That's why excitement is a major attraction point for women. In other words water is wet.

[–]BasicallyAnEngineer0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

They fail to realize that rewards are given based on results, not effort. Most of all they fail to see that despite their endless toiling over their oneitis, they have no substance as a person, their character has no grit, and they are just plain fucking boring.

Maybe we fail to realise that despite out endless toiling in gyms and books the fate is already encoded in our DNA and we cant change much.

[–]SlothOnRoids0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I like Nice Guys. Less competition for me.

[–]JaYogi0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What happens when you have a kid. I got one on the way and this relationship is total shit. And she doesn't realize it.

[–]SasquatchMcKraken0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Everyone gets boring if you know them long enough. It's all relative. Otherwise the divorce rate among famous/powerful men would be in the single digits. Once a woman comes to expect something it fades into the background. I have a cousin getting married in Europe this month. It's her first marriage, but he's millionaire #3 in her relationship history. The problem with nice guys is they're weak, which you touched on. But that results in contempt, not boredom. Being a supplicating bitch and being an uninteresting person are two separate issues.

[–]Swanniie-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good fucking post. This is the truth..

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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