I was informed of something very interesting by a plate yesterday (lets call her Akiko).
She was laying in bed and I was rummaging through my fridge for something to eat after having a shower. I didn't feel like spending the afternoon with her - she had been hinting at going to see a movie together (I avoid almost any activity that could be described as a date with my plates once I get them spinning on less they start to fall off then a lunch date or a dinner might happen if me cooking at home isn't enough to stem their sway), I told her I had other plans.
"What plans" she asks.
"I have a meeting with a heavy Iron bar" I responded
..... ..... Silence ..... .....
"How about you help me with that secret mission of yours" (its a joke we share, making her cum from sex) she asks.
.....
"Nagh, Im not the kind of man to skip his meetings" "ok mister, your loss" she says with optimism.
.....
"You care more about yourself than you do getting pussy" she offers.
It hit me hard hearing her say that, she was right. I do care more about myself than getting laid, and it feels fucking empowering. I drove her home, we made plans to catch up again in a few days time to work more on my mission and parted ways.
- Never negotiate for sex.
- Never concede who you are for her will when it doesnt server both of you.
- Hold frame, even when you feel there is no need to.
- You are the prize, at all times.
The most powerful word in negotiation is no.
It's a cruel irony that women want you to invest increasingly more time in them, but the moment you do you lose value because you acquiesce.
In my bluepill days when I would turn girls down and make them chase me I would tell myself that there must be something wrong with them because they always defaulted to crazy tactics to spend time with me.....
The gem comment of the thread especially that last part.
I mean, they’re wired to do whatever it takes to get sperm. If they don’t, their genes die out. History is littered with the corpses of women who gave up chasing men and ended their bloodline.
Actually this isn the case as much as you think. Genetic history tells us that most woman procreate while the majority of the men die out. In some studdies I've seen it's a 17:1 raito of women to men reproducing. "Whatever it takes" for a woman is dirt simple, just accept sex and done. Basically I just don't understand your comment would you mind explaining it more?
That boils down to:
Oh shit all the men are dead
Oh shit I want to have children
Oh shit I guess I've got to fuck the ugly weak guys, who didn't go to war and die, before any other women do
It applies rather interestingly to modern AF/BB mechanics, only instead of them dying in war, it's the women hitting the wall.
It's a little bit the opposite there boss... We are wired naturally to be donors... They are wired for selectivity... The whole point of this post demonstrates this specifically. When you care more about yourself than "pussy" you are sending a clear message that you are confident you are prized and aren't stressed you are going to fall out of the genetic pool. That portrays a sense of value clear enough that they won't just select you but will put in the effort to chase you too... If they see other women competing with them then that reinforces to her your sexual value and she will double down her efforts.
The Red Pill is more about understanding that the comforts in life for men are in their very nature self destructive for a man. Always fight complacency, never become gluttonous of comforts.
You have misconstrued this basic premise and have perverted your own frustrations into disrespect.
This shit only works if they like you. Women select the men they mate with period. Otherwise they'll up and leave and service one of the other 20 cocks on stand by they got
That last part, I haven’t experienced until the past 6 months. Shittttttt women will do and say ANYTHING to get some dick/be with you
a.k.a fitness test, never let her take any conclusion about your feelings, she’ll persuade you to do that, but only AFC fall for that
I don't think I understand, would you explain it?
A woman should never think that she has control over you, should never know how much you love her, they want to be loved, but problem is that attraction doesn’t work like logic, it means that if you show her that you love her, she instantly loses interest, that’s why she must be in a situation where she asks herself if you love her or not, she must be confused
Albeit irony, it is at the very core of what TRP taught me. It is a realization that broke me of my blue pill ways...
This so succinctly sums up everything a guy needs to know about dating...well said.
There has to be a balance. My LTR dumped me because I dreaded her too much, spend too little time with her and she fucked another men.
5 bucks says her name is legitimately Akiko.
Dedicates a name for her for the story... Never calls her by the name again.
Next season of American Dad there'd better be an episode name "Steve learns AWALT."
honestly laughed when I read that
Great example man.
You can only truly commit to one person at a time. Be committed to yourself and things will work out as well as they possibly can.
Size is the prize! Swole is the goal! It's gains o'clock motherfuckers!
I love going, I especially love going after I have told myself every excuses to not show up.
Killing my inner bitch has been the best.
That feeling is life itself. Like, you lay in bed after work, too tired to move a muscle, but You stand UP and swing that fucking clanging piece of iron at the gym like a sword, devouring all your weaknesses with each stroke of a brush.
I like to take it easy on myself, some days are a real struggle, no worries 20 min session 5x5 get in, get out.
20 min session is a warm up, what?
nah, some of the most efficient sessions last 20 minutes. I've made some fantastic gains training for less than 20 minutes 5 times a week. the 5x5 are awesome like that. (assuming you target one muscle per session and mix in core exercises while you wait)
The further you are to your limit, the harder it gets. Don't let yourself down, don't take it easy, it is easy to waste potential. It is a lot harder to fulfill yourself.
I did that today but much further behind on the timeline. Finally paid for the gym, did shopping, going to get an early one and try something new for once instead of reading field reports and saying "women are crazy"
RF does get me pumped. Did you know today is international chest day?
In a relationship, the person willing to walk away has the most power. You gave a great example of that, nice job.
In a financial transaction too.
Nice work! I’ve left a girls house who was all over me just to go to the gym. Got to build the Mental toughness too!
So true, mental toughness is equally as important.
In my Blue Pill Days (I have always lifted, even in those times), I wanted to go to the gym after waking up with the girl in my arms and having fucked her like crazy. She of course started to call me out on how obsessed I was with the gym, my body, how there are more important things in life etc.
Needless to say as I was BP, I stayed with here, I felt shameful. NOT ANYMORE. FUCK THAT.
Done the same thing in my bluepill days. Hey..benches before wenches. 💪🏻
Thats physical and mental discipline at its finest, keep it up
As if it should be any other way?!
Most guys it’s the other way
In my country I would be called a stupid or a madman for doing that, for most people here a woman is more important that self integrity and discipline and they are willing to do anything to get their hands on one and get laid, most of them are bluepilled also.
What country if you don’t mind me asking ?
It could apply to a lot of countries. The USA is pretty blue-pilled. The whole "happy wife, happy life" BS and men pretty much lose power once they get married.
"In my country...a woman is more important that self integrity and discipline and [men] are willing to do anything to get their hands on one and get laid, most of them are blue pilled..."
That's the unfortunate power and strength of lifetime Blue Pill Conditioning. What's even worse is there are women who take full advantage of these desperate men - and these men allow it.
This does not bode well for your fellow countrymen. Their time would be better spent on their own personal development and self-improvement.
I'm not saying that men don't have to put zero effort toward pursuing women, but the pursuit of women should NEVER be a man's primary focus.
A man's primary focus is his "mission" - whatever that is...and it most certainly does not include women.
Just curious, which country?
Uruguay, from experience I could say that most of the women here are a selfish, egocentric, and unbeliviable believed, even some bizarre overweight woman can get laid easily has there's always some desperate guy willing to bang her, even if her personality is terrible, and with most people plugged to social media, they can get validation with no effort, has a result their ego is so high that you can climb it and do a base jump from it, although this is probably like this in most western world.
I didnt expect a fellow uruguayan
I love how you didn’t subject yourself to any criticisms by lying. You were bold and it gets you very far in life compared to low life pick up artists. You get an A+
First of all, well done - you only serve yourself, that's the way to go in life, man!
However, I've read all the comments in this thread and I noticed something very funny about the state of TRP right now.
There is no questioning that OP has made the right choice - his own good over his bitch's desires. And most of the comments praise this approach as the ideal way to keep your bitch happy - not give in.
Yes, it's true. And yet, I want to warn all of you guys because a certain message has been lost in the transmission of the recent wave of posts:
The right choice (for yourself) does not always mean the girl will somehow be more loyal or attracted to you. It does not guarantee it at all. You might do everything right and she still shows you just how out of your control she REALLY is. It may not matter whether you think you did the right thing or not.
OP seems to 'like' this girl a lot which may be the start of a oneitis.
You have to stay vigilant and remember she is never yours, it's just your turn. What instantly comes to my mind when I see OP confidently state that he's gonna 'catch up with her in a few days' is the old TRP classic that I re-read every few months to keep reminding myself that these hoes ain't loyal:
TL;DR
Don't you ever think that a girl will keep trying hard to stay loyal and not disappoint you, NOT EVEN IF YOU DO EVERY FUCKING THING RIGHT.
That's the reminder from me.
Girls function to shit test. First be in a position to realize it, next be in a position to welcome it.
Commenting to save this for a rainy day.
Ugh. Reality can be a drag.
That story is the story that kick started me taking the red pill in the first place.
He didn't do everything right. He didn't frighten her that he'ld leave if she don't behave. And/or he didn't choose a woman who had already integrate that infidelity have consequences. They are like children they need to be discplined.
Be better than others & be sure that she understand that you leave her the second she don't behave.
Ask yourself, what kind of leader focuses on threats and discipline to get others to follow him? If that were your boss at work, would you want to stick around or would you be shopping around for a new job?
He's doing fine. He's respecting himself and sticking to his goals over the whims of others.
There are threats and there are consequences. All leader use consequences, all the time. You don't do correctly your work? You're demoted or fired (or bankruptcy if you work for yourself). And you know it, that's why you give your best. No consequences? Well if i'm payed the same i stay at home and watch Netflix.
Your previous comment sounds much more like the kind of boss that tries to keep people on their toes all the time, either out of insecurity or because he's trying to exploit you as much as possible. It's not a place you're going to want to stick around in if you can help it, even if the pay is good.
We all know how employment works and what happens if you make yourself a liability. You can tell what's not going to fly without anything needing to be said because it's already shown in the dynamic.
Maybe it's something that some women need to be reminded regurlarly in a relationship.
To me (as in what I get from these exchanges) it's a matter of prioritizing yourself first and setting the bar for them. If they chose not to meet that bar, as a friend of mine used to to say, don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya. IE meet the bar I've set or make space for someone who will. Some will stay, others will leave. Simple.
Women want you even more after you tell them no, it’s like they can’t handle it
The ability to say no shows security and options. It's also easier to respect people that don't seem like they can be easily manipulated.
I am sleepy and read the last sentence as you are the pizza, at all times
Once you internalize this truth, you will finally reach enlightenment.
She is right and correct. Sex is sex. There's 300,000,000 adult females in the world.
There is only 1 you***. So of course you put yourself before pussy.
*** if you don't believe in spirituality / Self.
There’s way more than 300 million adult females lol. It’s in the billions
U gonna travel to the center of africa
We’re talking about how many adult females are in the world, not what my travel plans are.
K, i just hate this argument, like you can travel 24/7.
I can travel whenever I please but I have no clue what that has anything to do with a statistic?....
Domt go to Africa, I live in Africa. Its like theNational Geographic here...and not in a good way.
akiko that biacth to the curb. good move mr heavy iron man.
lol I think ill keep this one around, shes meets some criteria that drives me wild.
As long as it is on YOUR terms!!! She dictates nothing! She can get with the program or she can get lost!
There are a million other women out there, and thousands of them with her "criteria".
and criteria goes out the trailer park window when Chad shows up.
Good job. You got the right idea man.
Girls like it when you place your own physical health and fitness first. They want a healthy man who's going to be strong in the years ahead. I regularly put yoga or lifting ahead of meetups with women. They get turned on by it.
It's long term vs. short term. Yes in the short term you can get more sex by skipping that workout. In the long term you'll get less.
You are the boss . However you will be spending the night with your right hand
Hahahaha you got me there, but to be fair I romanced the fuck out of myself first.
I am missing the point in your post. It seems like you stopped in the middle. Nothing happened. Or is the point that your plate did not break?
You wrote about no accomplishment because of that mentality and then praise it in four points of absolutes.
I'm illistraiting something that struck me as she said it in that moment, her recognition of somthing I was internalizing honestly made my day.
OP showed abundance when he declined pussy for the gym. Which yes maintained his plate and made it even better. Girls want guys that other girls want. Maybe try reading the comments to get a better understanding
I completely understood that all, I just cannot find "the point" he tried to make in the story he told. At least not to a degree that justifies a post, apart from being happy he did it.
This post has a ton of great points all boiled down very nicely.
He's already not spending an extra minute on her than he desires to. He wanted a shower and some food. He moved on to a shower and some food.
And he was already making that clear to her through his actions.
Girls communicate covertly. Pick up on her hints, laugh them off, maintain your plans and your frame.
Again showing through his actions that he wasn't committing more time or effort to her. And keeping it vague makes her hamster start spinning about the other girls he may be meeting.
Bitch maintainence.
She's chasing. That's just an example of how to keep that dynamic at play. Spin away little hamster.
Silence is golden. If you're strong enough to stay more silent in the silent times, you will enjoy the rewards. I love this answer because OP might as well still be going to fuck other bitches. Improving himself when already not committing to Akiko will make him less likely to commit to her in the future, this making her work harder to please him.
So she attempts to see what, if any power her pussy holds.
I'm stealing that, OP. That "secret mission, secret agent" shit is gold.
Casually declining sex and keeping a prior committment to himself is making a statement about what an awesome man he is.
She sounds like a child , she's happy with the answer.
And it stands out to her. It's makes OP seem better than all the weak, no willpower, thirsty motherfuckers out there. And she loves it. Women don't communicate overtly. The fact that she's saying it directly means she fully hooked.
Well played.
Even if it's a simple "yes" when you have something else planned. You can't always be available, sex doesn't change that. You hold the sex card, she gives that pussy up when you want it. The second you blow something important off for sex, she sees you in a different light. She knows she can use sex to manipulate you. It won't be the last time. Make sure there is no first time.
Be the stronger one in every way.
Everything is a power play on her part. Even if it doesn't feel like it.
God damn correct.
I like to see that we agree on the details. Thanks for your efforts!
Pretty sure you can see all that through a) the title and b) the bullet points at the end of his post
Maybe my expectation is to high. I'm just not the guy that hands out participation trophies.
So I'm the first to admit that I think a lot of redpill stuff goes overboard.
That said, acting confidently uninterested did more to attract women than any bad pickup lines, negging or "game" ever could.
It's not about being mean, or rude or putting them down. It's about showing that you're fine no matter the outcome. You go home with the girl? great! She turns you down? Who cares, there will be others, it's her loss, not yours. There's no need to be mean about it, she's already lost out, move on and don't look back.
When I see guys doing things like negging it looks like the opposite of being fine with whatever outcome. You care so much about getting a prize you're expending energy to purposely make someone unhappy.
I had a woman explain it to me that when we first met I had such an air of "I don't need you because I'm already awesome" that it drove her crazy. She pursued me to prove me wrong, and when I didn't pursue her back it only pushed her further. She was beautiful and smart, so she wasn't used to having guys not fall all over her.
Again, I wasn't mean about it, pretty much the exact opposite actually. I was friendly and a little flirty but I had other people I wanted to talk to at the party so I wasn't just hanging around her. I'd say hi, offer her a drink chat for a couple minutes and move on.
Pretty much like OP said, YOU are the prize. Just do your best to constantly be improving yourself and have confidence in your knowledge that in the end, if someone doesn't want you, it's not your loss.
My goto for rejecting a woman's frame is "You say that like it's a bad thing".
Did she try and shit test you again? What Happened after that "incident"?
WOW, I wouldnt call it an "incident", it was just her reacting with direct communication to express her frustration. One day she will find a nice beta one day and turn him into a wage slave (shes openly admitted to this plan).
“I have a meeting with a heavy iron bar” bro just say you’re going to lift LOL
hahaha yeah yeah, she caught me off guard trying to grab some nibbles.
I thought it was a great line
Hold. The. Line.
When men care more about themselves and their development, life has a funny way of starting to revolving around them like the sun.
Good job.
Bruhhhh nothing makes me harder. Had something similar with a co-worker I’d been working on and already have in my pocket.
-”So you gonna walk me home today?bats eyelids ”
-”Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm no. ”
-”No!?..... :( “
-”No. I already told you I was going to the gym”
And you just see the look of confusion and annoyance like “IM GOING TO MAKE HIM WANT THIS PUSSY!!”
Love it. Made her chase even harder.
so you answered to her "You care more about yourself than you do getting pussy" or did you just not respond to that ?
I just said "yep" cause I wasnt fully sure if I was being shit tested or not.
Why did you give her a name if you're not calling her anymore in your post?
I like to let people know that I enjoy asian women.
I, too, have Asian fever. Luckily my city is full of them. I just don't feel the same way about white girls. They tend to have shitty habits, shitty hygiene, too much fat, and they embody the worst of the worst of what we call AWALT.
I see the AWALT tendencies but they are just a better quality women to me, And yes, my city has more than I can ever get through.
Because everyone that's what everyone does.
Nice brag post disguised as a "lesson."
Great, it's good to say no sometimes.
Somebody with a scarcity mentality would think you turned town an easy lay for nothing. Somebody with abundance mentality would see that you were being offered something you already have (free access of sex) in exchange for giving up something you wanted to do and making something she wanted to do.
I find fascinating how accepting that simple exchange would have resulted in her learning that she can buy you off with sex, and consequently making you lose frame and likely her in the long run. No negotiation with hoes, must be your way or the door.
Btw I liked the secret mission thing, hoes love mystery.
A great reminder post. Thanks for sharing. Cheers.
Most welcome friend, I should file a field report from our first date but it would just read like bad TRP fan fiction.
If it's true, then post away. Sure there will always be haters but someone will learn from it. Cheers.
How did your meeting with the heavy iron bar go?
I wouldv'e been impressed had this been the first or 2nd date. After you have been with a woman and gotten off dozens of times, then its not hard to prioritize. Had this been the 2nd date or youve never been intimate, I wouldve been impressed. Good write up though. Truth still stands.
lol, red piller down the road ended up bangin her while you were at the gym
Lol, I guess you could say, she isnt mine, its just my turn...
And if OP is red piller (which he def sounds like) and she's a plate, he won't care if another is banging her. I never asked, and didn't care. You shouldn't.
sounds like bullshit to me
then you've never experienced multiple plates and everything in life going as fucking great as it can be. Once you have, if you ever do, you'll know it's not. I seriously didn't give a fuck. I had a girl that was a stretching coach for the cirque du soleil gymnastic athletes, and she was a good 8, but with an insane body and well, great flexibility. She was telling me how guys at work wanted something serious with her and that I should go LTR with her, that I risked losing her. I DIDN'T give a fuck. And that was early in my awakening. SO many other times. Anyways, you can think what you want. I know you've never had that from your reaction.
lol, you care enough to write a paragraph justification . . . it still sounds like bullshit. go ahead write another paragraph, lol
I cared enough to reply to your legit bullshit accusation. If you chose not to believe it's fine. If ever you're in the Ottawa area, hit me up. We'll meet and you'll believe.
You care enough to respond 3 times. If its Bullshit, why do you care so much?
Why you so bitter about OP and others turning down pussy because they got better things to do? Not everyone puts pussy on a pedestal like you.
I bet youre the type of guy who would do anything or say anything just to get a piece of action. That's sad.
It's hard to understand that sometimes we can be the prizes, but this reading make a certain point at negotiations.
She, too, was truly dumbfounded at such a bad response.
I have always been more handsome than smart. In case it pops up again in my life, what do you think I should go with next time to communicate what is needed?
More men should learn how to reject women.
MGTOW isnt for me, im 6 foot tall, lean and mean ;)
Just hold frame brah you didn't get laid cause you don't spin plates run kino escalation brah