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Female teacher, who had sex with 17 year old male, doesn't like be labeled a 'sexual predator'. Suing victim and mother of victim.

BruceCampbell123

February 25, 2016
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Title Female teacher, who had sex with 17 year old male, doesn't like be labeled a 'sexual predator'. Suing victim and mother of victim.
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BruceCampbell123

Upvotes 732
Comments 119
Date February 25, 2016 1:18 AM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
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[+][deleted] 10 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

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[–]overtmind 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah but they're creeps and she's the victim, here, pal. Just because she's older doesn't mean that she's not susceptible to male patriarchy by a BARELY underage male!

[+]rickhora -9 points-8 points-7 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

two wrongs don't make a right and all that.

[–]tprice1020 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually I think until these bullshit laws start negatively affecting the female population, we won't see meaningful change. So in this case, two wrongs actually might mean a right.

[–]bzdelta 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I only count one and a bitch who can't take the heat

[–][deleted] 99 points100 points101 points 10 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link

The entitlement of this women, damn.

[–]TheDude41 27 points28 points29 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

a

[+]rg57 -134 points-133 points-132 points 10 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

It's possible to be for men's rights AND common sense as well, you know. She is plainly not a predator, and she is being defamed.

[+][deleted] 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

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[–]overtmind 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Do we want equal punishment [read female punishment equal to males], or equal rights? If we're going to go with equal punishment, am I the only one that would rather go equal in the direction of female punishment? :|

Seems like people just want worse for her because men are getting fucked

[+][deleted] 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]overtmind -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Nothing is wrong with me, in fact, you're the one losing your shit over an internet comment because you think it means something it doesn't.

The idea is fairly simple. We clearly have two standards of punishment. The standards that females are held to, and the standard that males are held to. I objectively deny the ability to chose which is "correct." Now, which do you choose? In an effort to be egalitarian, do we align women's punishment to men's, or go more lenient on male punishment (for the same crime) to align with women's punishment?

Now, my opinion is that to match either or gender in any situation to the harsher punishment just for the sake of feeling good that the other gender is now also getting fucked, is probably never a good or productive idea.

[–]mwobuddy -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I gave you +1 on the hope you aren't being sarcastic.

[–]AgeofReason138 60 points61 points62 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Clearly not a predator..shes a woman so..shes just..confused..its only a real crime when men do it right?

[+]acelister -23 points-22 points-21 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

It says in the article that she wasn't his teacher, and 17 is the age of consent.

It's skeezy for sure, but not illegal.

[+]XtremeAero426 -18 points-17 points-16 points 10 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

As far as I know, the age of consent only applies when engaging in sexual intercourse with other underage individuals. When engaging in sexual intercourse with adults the age of consent is considered to be 18 with the exception of romeo and juliet laws. I'm not a lawyer so I could be wrong but please cite some sources if you're going to call me out on it.

Edit: I was wrong about that. All I did was try and add to the discussion and I get downvoted. If I'm wrong tell me but you don't have to downvote me over it. I'll fix it as soon as I know so.

[–]IcarusBurning 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No, the age of consent is the age of consent. All else being legal, a 17 year old can consent to sex with an adult or any age provided the age of consent is <=17.

It's hilarious that you came in here and spouted bullshit with no citation and then demanded that anyone who challenge you go through the effort that you refused to.

[–]XtremeAero426 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I did say that I wasn't an expert on the topic and that I could be wrong.

It's hilarious that you came in here and spouted bullshit with no citation and then demanded that anyone who challenge you go through the effort that you refused to.

I didn't demand it. I'm just saying that if I'm wrong, I'd like to see some citation so I could verify it. I looked it up but couldn't find anything reliable on that specific topic.

[+]mergedloki -15 points-14 points-13 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I believe you're right. So it would be considered statutory rape in this case (I think).

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[–]SchofieldSilver 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

17 and one second you mean.

[–]deanat78 28 points29 points30 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I actually agree with you... I hate all the bullshit "men are rapists" "men can't be victims" "woman are allowed to hit but not get hit back" and all that stuff.

But in this case, anyone who blindly thinks "what a terrible woman" is a bit too blinded by being anti-feminist or whatever you want to call it. I like most stories in this sub, but here, honestly, just apply a bit of common sense. There's no reason to get all worked up about what she did/said. Yeah, it was sketchy and she should be fired from the school, but he WAS old enough to give consent, and if she's suing because of defamation because of the mom spreading lies and the guy secretly filming her and posting it online, I totally understand her.

Sleeping with him was not illegal on part. Not a good decision, but not illegal. Just because it was stupid doesn't mean that the mom can spread lies and the guy can leak her nudes, that IS illegal.

As pro-male rights as I am, I also take pride in being logical and rational, and the woman here is not a terrible monster...

[–]abcIDontKnowTheRest 16 points17 points18 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

While I would tend to agree, I wish to refer you to this comment by /u/TheDude41 who quotes the Texas Penal Code.

Sure, he had reached the age of general consent, HOWEVER, being that there was a relationship of authority (teacher/student) it actually was illegal; even if he wasn't in any of her classes, the fact that he attended the same institution in which she taught was enough. The argument is usually that, regardless of age, this person can use their authority to coerce an otherwise unwilling participant.

And § 33.021 deals with solicitation of a minor using online means (including texting), but for the purposes of § 21.12, age is not a factor, so it again comes down to that relationship of authority.

Personally, I believe that there should be proof that there was coercion or abuse of the relationship of authority if both participants have reached the age of consent, and that if both parties have consented then there should be no issue...but the law does not agree with me yet.**

Now, was the student wrong to film and distribute the video, all without her consent? Absolutely. But she was also in the wrong, because any way you slice it, she contravened the Penal Code.

She is not innocent in this, and it disingenuous of her to act otherwise. She can certainly be considered a "sexual predator" because she "preyed" on someone over whom she held authority, so in my mind, there is not cause for defamation. She does, however (IMO), have a case against the teen for filming and distributing without her consent; though I'm from Canada and not familiar with the Texas Penal Code (and don't wish to search to try to find the specific articles) I'm nearly certain that this was illegal on his part.

Edit: ** I want to clarify that this law does not agree with me. I did forget to mention that in Canada, general age of consent is 16 but it's 18 when there exists a relationship of authority. SO even in this case, 17 would not have been old enough, but had he been 18+, student or not, it would have been legal. Frowned upon, sure, but...legal.

[–]Neolions 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think you forgot the "/s" there buddy.

[–]mochacola -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree. She told him to stfu about what she did but he didn't do as told.

[–]Machnow 68 points69 points70 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

this is the most telling part of this womans predatory nature, "When I found out there was a tape, I was in shock. I felt betrayed. We had been talking for almost a month so I trusted him that I could have sex with him and him not say anything, and we could keep it a secret. I do, now, feel that I was set up. I do feel that there was some type of motive or intent to get it out there that he had sex with a teacher." she a 31 yr old woman...was set up and tricked into having sex with a 17 yr old......yeah. if she wins this case i'm gonna poke my eyeballs out.

[–]mochacola 62 points63 points64 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

In other news, a 30 year old guy was betrayed when he trusted his 17 year old female student to stfu about their sex only to find out she recorded evidence.

[–]mcavvacm 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Will you take out both eyes at once, or in turns?

Best to already start thinking about such matters.

[–]MotherFuckin-Oedipus 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have a golden hairpin he can use lying around somewhere....

[–]Ninja_Wizard_69 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

better practice being blind

[–]Meistermalkav 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep... Usual behavior of a rapist sow.

"Oh my god, I felt so tricked.... he recorded evidence...."

Sorry... If you abuse your position of trust to gain an advantage, at 31 years old, hell, I hope your picture gets out and you get to have to explain to every other date you will ever have why you thought it was a good idea to fuck children.

[–]Diesel-66 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

17 is legal in Texas.

[–]pwnedkiller 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She basically said she is doing this to get rid of the evidence.

[–]double-happiness 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We had been talking for almost a month so I trusted him

Teacher talks to a 17-year old student for 'almost a month' so she 'trusted him'; what a dipshit. I wouldn't trust any of my former students more than I could throw them. She is obviously very immature herself if she thinks teenagers can be trusted with anything really. It is difficult enough for their parents to do, never mind anyone else.

[–]KaBar42 31 points32 points33 points 10 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Now people look at me as a sexual predator.

You are, idiot.

There are several states that ban teachers having sex with their students because it's too easy to manipulate them.

"Hmm... You want a passing grade for my class? You better have sex with me."

Teachers have a lot more power than people give them credit for. They're given extremely wide discretion and their word's typically taken over the word of a student.

Her son was an adult at the time, and so he chose to have a sexual relationship with me. I want to get justice for what he did to me."

There's a little something called "consent under duress". Consent under duress does not carry the power that full consent gives because consent under duress is the same as no consent at all.

Every teacher/student sexual encounter is considered consent under duress because teachers have an idiotically insane amount of power over their students.

So, yeah, this woman. She ain't the sharpest spoon in the box.

Here's a good article from '06.

[–]LokisDawn 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

She wasn't his teacher though...

[–]KaBar42 14 points15 points16 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

a former teacher and coach at a high school in Corpus Christi, TX, admits that she slept with a 17-year-old student,

I am going to assume that he's a student at that high school. She's still a teacher there and it's still very much illegal.

Oh! Shit! It's even more illegal since she's in Texas! This is a felony, no matter what his age would have been! So long as she's a teacher at the school and he's a student.

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[–]KaBar42 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

You sound almost excited for some reason.

Don't mistake my realization that one party is seriously fucked for excitement.

[–]lidsville76 -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

We won't, but your comment makes you sound giddy as a school girl. Also, in the article, they did say specifically that she wasn't his teacher.

[–]KaBar42 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

She's still a teacher at what is presumably the school he goes to.

[–]lidsville76 -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

That is correct, they were, based on the article, at the same school. Is the relationship still improper? undoubtedly.

[–]abcIDontKnowTheRest 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes. From this comment which quotes the Texas Penal Code:

(1) sexual contact, sexual intercourse, or deviate sexual intercourse with a person who is enrolled in a public or private primary or secondary school at which the employee works and who is not the employee's spouse;

So whether he was her student or not, the fact that she was a teacher at the same institution in which he was enrolled means it is still an improper relationship.

And yes, it is very much a felony:

(b) An offense under this section is a felony of the second degree.

According to the Texas Penal Code section on Punishments, for a felony of the second degree she should have gotten a prison sentence of no more than 20 years and no less than 2 years. But she avoided prison time completely with a plea deal.

Sec. 12.33. SECOND DEGREE FELONY PUNISHMENT.

(a) An individual adjudged guilty of a felony of the second degree shall be punished by imprisonment in the Texas Department of Criminal Justice for any term of not more than 20 years or less than 2 years.

(b) In addition to imprisonment, an individual adjudged guilty of a felony of the second degree may be punished by a fine not to exceed $10,000.

Of course laws are generally a guideline and a judge can rule outside of them within reason.

Me personally, I don't think it's a big deal that they had sex, especially if there was no coercion. I understand the relationship of authority, but with 17 being the legal age of consent, if they have both consented not under any duress, then let them fuck for christ sake.

[–]KaBar42 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Is the relationship still improper? undoubtedly.

It's also illegal in Texas.

[–]lidsville76 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And so is smoking weed. Not trying to defend her at all, but just because something is illegal doesn't make it wrong.

[–]HardKase 38 points39 points40 points 10 years ago (37 children) | Copy Link

He was of age to give consent

[–]TheDude41 34 points35 points36 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

a

[–]ckiemnstr345 36 points37 points38 points 10 years ago (35 children) | Copy Link

Doesn't matter. She has positional authority over the kid so it's still rape. Just like when female prison guards at juvenile detention centers with 18-20 year olds it is considered rape.

[–]WaitingToBeBanned 20 points21 points22 points 10 years ago (28 children) | Copy Link

And that is absurd. Is it inappropriate and punishable? sure, but it should not be conflated with actual rape.

[–]ayumuuu 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

That law has to be there though. They have the positional authority to force them into it. "Do this or I'll give you a failing grade." "Do this or you're going to solitary" "Do this or you're going to clean the latrines solo, soldier". It's coercion into sex which is exactly what rape is.

[–]Hatsee 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That's already illegal, this is a double standard meant to fuck teachers over and nothing more.

[–]ayumuuu 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because this affects most teachers. Don't fuck your students. EZ.

[+]WaitingToBeBanned -7 points-6 points-5 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

All of the nope. Rape is forced sex, as in you cannot say no or saying no changes nothing. In those situations you could say no and report the indiscretion to whatever higher authority. That may not work, but it is still different from actual rape.

[–]icelander08 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Isn't using threats forcing someone?

[–]WaitingToBeBanned -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I think that would depend on the severity of the threat. There is a stark difference between threatening to kill someone, threatening to ruin someone, and threatening to ruin Game of Thrones for them.

[–]Neolions -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I think giving you a failing grade is on the level of ruining your life. So yeah, it's still a serious threat and is rape.

[–]WaitingToBeBanned 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You are wrong.

[–]Neolions -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So failing grade in highschool. Ok, so he is 17 so probably either a sophomore or a senior. A failing grade would equal about one/two classes of summer school. You pay for summer school usually between 100$-400$. That is also takes a lot of your summer away so you don't get a break from school. Following that the next year if he becomes a senior he would most likely get tired of school and his grades will drop the coming school year. Not only that but his parents might force him to get a job to reimburse them on summer school not letting him decompress from any type of work. It would be very hard on him. Going back to the grades that might drop, that would also limit his passage to some colleges that might or might not glaze over that failing grade he got, so the failing grade would still be with him. It would hurt him in many areas other than that one year.

[–]ayumuuu 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

OK. Present your evidence. What physical proof do you have of them trying to coerce you into sex? your word? vs theirs? And you're just a student and they are a teacher with tenure? Yeah no we're gonna go ahead and believe the teacher sorry.

Those who have proportionally less power have less say, and therefore can be taken advantage of in this regard. Threatening your livelihood is just as effective as threatening your life in exchange for forced sex.

[–]harleypig 39 points40 points41 points 10 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Yet, a male teacher having sex with a 17 year old female student has been conflated with actual rape for decades ...

[–]WaitingToBeBanned 37 points38 points39 points 10 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Which is equally wrong.

[–]thatlowdowndirty47 24 points25 points26 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Well till that changes, we'll keep the standard consistent.

[–]WaitingToBeBanned 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

But the standard is not consistent, it never has been. So why argue for more bullshit instead of less?

[+]thatlowdowndirty47 -6 points-5 points-4 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Why care? Why does this bug you so much? For years the pendulum swung one way, and now, it's swinging to other. Let it happen.

[–]Neolions 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The pendulum hasn't swung, it's always been on the female side.

[–]WaitingToBeBanned 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Because I consider myself to be a decent(ish) person?

[+]thatlowdowndirty47 -12 points-11 points-10 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Well, good for you! Here's a cookie.

[–]girraween 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I guess it is to stop teachers developing relationships with students.

[–]WaitingToBeBanned -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That to, but there is the aspect of authority kinda fucking with the idea of meaningful consent, in youths especially.

[–]Anaxagoras23 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Any interaction with an authority figure is to at least some extent inherently coercive. In the case of a student interacting with a teacher the student can, very easily, be thinking something along the lines of "Well if I don't respond to his/her affections he might fail me". There's an implied pressure to cooperate and not resist.

Implied coercion is important. It's the same principle (although obviously not nearly as violent) as if someone holds a gun to someone else's head and announces their intent to have sex. The other person might act like they're okay with the idea while on the inside be going along only because they're afraid of the consequences of noncompliance.

It's important to be careful with implied coercion as it can be taken much too far, like a girl who never indicates that she didn't want to have sex and could easily have safely done so then accusing her partner of rape. That said, certain situations do have that expectation lined up in advance, such as teachers, medical professionals (especially ones engaged in anesthesia!), and so on. The person with the gun would of course obviously be susceptible to this, as well. It would be the same principle with implied blackmail ("Well it sucks you can't pay your rent. You know, I wouldn't throw out my lover...") as well.

This would probably also explain why the kid would record it, because he felt he had to prove what happened or there would be consequences.

[–]abcIDontKnowTheRest 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Implied coercion is really only a factor to consider if it was the person in authority who initiated. If it's the subordinate, then there's no implied coercion that can be claimed.

In this particular case I don't recall who was the initiator, however.

That being said, your last line is completely false IMO. He recorded it for bragging rights, not for fear of any consequences.

"The reason, like, I recorded it was because I had been drinking before, so I was not really in the right mind. I remember talking to my friend about it, and he was just telling me that if you don't have proof [of sex with Ramirez] then I'm not going to believe you," says Tristan.

Also, if you believe some of the articles, he apparently posted it online, not just shared with a bunch of friends "accidentally" by sending a group message...especially when he could have just shown it to the friend that wanted proof, because he was supposedly waiting outside (he had driven the boy to Ramirez's house).

His sole reason was because he was he wanted to be able to prove to his friend(s) that he, like, totally nailed that hot teacher chick, man.

[–]WaitingToBeBanned 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I generally agree with you. I just disagree with the automatic assumption that influence of any kind equals literal rape.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Texan and former teacher here. To be technically correct, according to Texas law it's not rape for a lower ed teacher to have sex with a 17 year-old because 17 is the age of consent.

It is a crime, however, for a teacher in lower education to have an "improper relationship," and that's exactly what it is defined as in the law (see the poster above).

[–]dragonsandgoblins 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well there is obviously a difference between a 17 year old and a teacher from another school having a relationship and a 17 year old having a relationship with their teacher.

[–]properstranger 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The fuck does that mean? Biggest bullshit people try to spew. No 17-year-old believes he is obligated to have sex with his teacher.

[–]KingMong 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh America you so dumb, yeah she should be fired, but she shouldn't be labeled a criminal...

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I see there are a few people here that don't acknowledge that the teacher's actions are illegal. I'll tag them here because their comments are all over the place on this post and I don't want to have to make the same comment four or five times! /u/rg57 /u/acelister /u/deanat78 /u/Corn-Tortilla /u/mochacola /u/HardKase

Her actions are indeed illegal as far as I can tell. She plead guilty to an improper relationship between teacher and student.

Some important quotes from the source:

Even if the relationship is consensual, an improper sexual act between teacher and student is illegal.

The law covers the employees of public or private secondary and primary schools. It is illegal to engage in sexual contact or intercourse with any student that is officially enrolled in a public or private school.

Under the law, it isn’t necessary for the student to be enrolled in the educator’s class or be under the age of 18 for a violation to occur.

A sexual relationship between teacher and student conviction is punishable by up to 20 years in a Texas prison and a fine of no more than $10,000.

All emphasis mine.

Edit: I can also confirm that the student was attending the same school that the teacher worked at.

Admitted to having sex with a 17-year-old student from King High School in Corpus Christi, Texas

Ramirez, a teacher and coach at King High School in Corpus Christi, Texas, was fired in 2014 after allegations emerged that she had a tryst with a boy from her school.

Edit 2: I'd appreciate it if some of the downvoters argued why they think I'm wrong rather than just clicking an arrow.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What a bunch of retards these people are. The teacher and student truly deserve eachother.

[–]TacoNinjaSkills 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Can't we just say its ok for 17 year olds to bang and be banged by anyone without it being a criminal issue? It is current year after all.

[–]Freyzi 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Him being 17 isn't bad, her being his teacher is bad though, and the fact she's suing him. Fuck people man.

[–]Vaeon 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Pssst, don't look now but she wasn't his teacher.

[–]Freyzi -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Hardly matters, a teacher is still someone in position of power over him.

[–]Vaeon -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually, it matters very much.

[+][deleted] 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

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[–]EvrythingISayIsRight[🍰] 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

17 year old boy

That would do more justice, since in the reverse scenario women are labeled "girl" up unto their early 20s...

[+]Dert_ -14 points-13 points-12 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

He is a man, and he is of the age of consent in most places.

It's you irrational nutjobs that give other mens rights people a bad name.

[–]DaVincitheReptile 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Uhhh? Surely you realize if the roles were switched you'd likely be agreeing that the 30yo teacher was a sex predator even though she was 17 and chose to fuck him (while at the age of consent)?

And if you likely would not agree with that (which, I'd agree, it shouldn't be a huge issue for a 30yo to have sex with a 17yo), most people still would...

[–]Dert_ 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I wouldn't, actually.

[–]DaVincitheReptile -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, good. But you can admit that most people still would.

[–]BruceCampbell123[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

My title is fine as is, thank you. It's more neutral than your "fix".

[–]tprice1020 -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Whoosh.

[–]Symos404 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If the shoe fits.

[–]Vaeon 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Let the record show that she was fired for having "an inappropriate relationship with a student." Further, that student was not HER student. And, most important of all, 17 is legal age of consent in Texas, so maybe you should all put your pitchforks down.

She isn't a rapist, the student was legally able to give consent to having sex with her. She is, however, a fucking idiot for screwing a student at her place of work. That is why she lost her teaching certification and likely will never get it back.

Now, if you have examples of male teacher/female students OF LEGAL AGE in the STATE OF TEXAS where the male teacher went to prison, feel free to share them.

[–]Dert_ 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

C'mon he is 17, he isn't a child.

I don't care if the teacher was a man and the younger one was a girl, in my eyes 17 is an adult, most places the age of consent is 16 anyway.

Should she really be branded a sexual predator for something that would probably be fine a state or two to the left?

[–]DaVincitheReptile -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, but a big part of the point is... well you already know I'm sure.

[–]Proteus_Marius 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This bad.

But defamation is bad, too. Victims need to be careful with public statements.

It feels sort of unfair, though.

[–]blairblair27 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Age of consent in that state is 17 and he wasn't her student.

This isn't like the standard post here "37 year old gang bangs four 8 year olds and gets 2 months of probation"

I was a grown ass man when I was 17 and so was this kid.

[–]BruceCampbell123[S] -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Really? You were a fully grown adult when you were 17? Because science disagrees with you.

[–]MotherFuckin-Oedipus 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Science? Not really.

Arbitrary societal rules? Sure.

[–]blairblair27 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with you guys on 99% of the stuff here, but 17 is the age of consent there, and he went to her house to get down.. I don't think she should be labeled as a sex offender or rapist.. Only crime here is the child porn he produced.

[–]matthew_lane 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Clearly she is not a sexual predator, she self identifies as an attack helicopter.

[–]nuesuh 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

labeling?

implying she isn't literally a sexual predator

[–]CaptainTeaBag24I7 -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not hating on anyone or anything like that, but from the article (and from that only) the kid seems to be the guilty one. I didn't read if there is evidence of the teacher having sex with other students, but the kid is of age - he can consent. Now I know it's immoral for a teacher to have sex with a student (I don't know if it's illegal, im guessing, in the states), but she isn't a "sexual predator" and she, in my opinion, has the right to sue the kid for taping and especially distributing a video, no matter how short.

[–]pwnedkiller -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I get that she wants to go to court to get the video removed its clear as crystal still I don't agree with it. However the boys mother can say whatever the hell she wants about the bitch. Shes not stocking her and making her life miserable, she did that to herself. Don't fuck a mothers son and you won't be labeled a sexual predator which you most rightfully are.

[+]mwobuddy -33 points-32 points-31 points 10 years ago (28 children) | Copy Link

Good for her. Fight the power.

[–]Ekat_clan 20 points21 points22 points 10 years ago (26 children) | Copy Link

You wander in to the wrong sub,buddy?

[+]mwobuddy -25 points-24 points-23 points 10 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link

que?

[–]Ekat_clan 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link

That's how I feel about your comment.

[+]mwobuddy -25 points-24 points-23 points 10 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link

que?

[–]Ekat_clan 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

You hosted about her "fighting the power" as in it's a good thing that she doesn't want to have concequences for her crimes

[–]rg57 -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago* (19 children) | Copy Link

Ah.

It shouldn't be a crime, regardless of gender.

Here's your "victim":

Tristan ... secretly recorded their romp, texted it to 11 of his friends, and ... online

In detail, he wanted proof so he could brag:

Tristan, who was not Ramirez's student, says a friend drove him to Ramirez's house and then waited outside for him while he and the teacher had sex. ... "The reason, like, I recorded it was ... I remember talking to my friend about it, and he was just telling me that if you don't have proof [of sex with Ramirez] then I'm not going to believe you,"

[–]Ekat_clan 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

It's not wether it's a good law is the problem. It's that she broke the law and is suing the person that broke the law with her because she doesn't want the label of being a criminal after she was a criminal.

[–]Corn-Tortilla 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

What law did she break?

[–]Thats_absrd 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Having sex with a minor I would assume.

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Do you realize that people change laws by fighting them, not by sitting back and saying "well, I broke the law, therefore everything is just and as it should be"?

People like you would have us still whipping black slaves and not giving the vote to poor males and females.

[–]Ekat_clan 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm saying that even if it's some big revolution,if you get caught,you still have to deal with the consequences. And I doubt suing people that you help break the law with is the next Underground Railroad.

[–]shatter321 -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

troll attempt 0/10 see me after class

[–]mwobuddy -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

thank you senpai, I will do better next time!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, 17 is old to get in trouble for this kind of thing. Don't know about that lawsuit though.

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