Why are specifically male suicide rates so high ?

imhereforthemeta · 2023-12-18T18:50:31+00:00

Women attempt more but choose less lethal methods https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3539603/

Men are less likely to go to therapy and seek treatment. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/nov/05/men-less-likely-to-get-help--mental-health

Multiple studies show that women build more communities with peers and men tend to be more solitary. If you are a suicide risk I would anecdotally say that a lack of a platonic support system and community could be a massive driving factor in your willingness to die

https://www.latimes.com/lifestyle/newsletter/2023-10-10/more-than-1-in-7-men-have-no-close-friends-the-way-we-socialize-boys-is-to-blame-group-therapy

Stargazer1919 · 2023-12-18T17:31:29+00:00

Men are more likely to choose violent methods of suicide.

maisymowse · 2023-12-18T20:28:18+00:00

Men are more successful at ending their lives. They tend to take more drastic measures, namely self inflicted gunshot wounds. Women attempt more, but tend to do “gentler” methods, such as overdosing that are more likely to fail.

Loneliness epidemic is one motivator to do it in the first place (that’s across all ages and genders btw). Mental health as a whole just not being taken seriously. Financial burden being another. Men are also less likely to seek help, usually due to the belief that “no one cares” or that they need to tough it out on their own. Which isn’t sustainable for anyone.

Lilly08 · 2023-12-18T21:10:59+00:00

Everything that's already been said. But also, multiple studies on men in rural areas have found that the cultures of masculinity mean they often won't engage with mental health or physical health services because they feel they need to be strong and stoic. They also place themselves as the breadwinners so when things go wrong they find themselves under enormous pressure. But these same studies have also found that if men were to change this, they'd be giving up power and control and their identities as 'manly men', so it's very hard for them to want to change. (Source: am doing my PhD on a topic that includes this. I just wrote a literature review on rural masculinity).

shesarevolution · 2023-12-18T21:38:54+00:00

Because men tend to use guns when they want to end it, and a gun is usually going to get the job done.

Women are just as miserable and attempt as much because society is miserable. Women just don’t use guns because of the mess. It’s easier to survive an attempt in the methods women choose.

2020mademejoinreddit · 2023-12-18T20:44:02+00:00

I'll just leave these here.

https://bmcpsychiatry.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12888-017-1398-8

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35598742/

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4009420-more-women-attempt-suicide-more-men-die-by-suicide/

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190313-why-more-men-kill-themselves-than-women

xvszero · 2023-12-18T20:44:06+00:00

More men own guns. Owning a gun significantly raises your odds of suicide.

kingdoodooduckjr · 2023-12-19T01:08:20+00:00

They think they are being stoic and masculine by not seeking therapy or even finding a consenting friend to lean on and vent to . A lot of us don’t have friends in real life and if we do , the experiences are fleeting and it’s disorienting to keep pursuing ur dreams with zero positive reinforcement

incredulitor · 2023-12-19T02:34:50+00:00

Other people have already given responses that cover more of the data than I easily could, so let me get into the nuances of the question given the context a little bit more.

A disproportionate increase in suicide in the USA (predominant but not exclusive audience for this sub) is happening among middle age white men, as part of a broader measure commonly referred to as "deaths of despair":

https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w28358/w28358.pdf

Ruhm, C. J. (2022). Living and dying in America: an essay on deaths of despair and the future of capitalism. Journal of Economic Literature, 60(4), 1159-1187.

https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/full/10.1146/annurev-economics-051520-015607

Case, A., & Deaton, A. (2022). The great divide: education, despair, and death. Annual Review of Economics, 14, 1-21.

The first link describes how this was originally formulated and the emphasis in its original formulation on 45-54 year olds. That's not really who we're talking about here in /r/exredpill though. The second link drives at the point more directly: in line with what people here are often reporting themselves in their own words, young men increasingly believe themselves to be facing reduced opportunities. That manifests in the data in the second link as increasing rates of suicide among people without bachelor's degrees while they stayed relatively flat for those with higher education:

Contrary to what was long believed, suicide rates in the United States are higher among those with less education. While the age-adjusted suicide rate almost doubled from 1992 to 2019 among WNHs (white non-hispanics) aged 25–74 without a BA, increasing from 17.6 to 31.1 per 100,000, there was almost no increase among those with the degree. Suicide rates were declining between 1990 and 2010 for less-educated Hispanics and BNHs (black non-hispanics), but rates began to rise after 2010, increasing from 7 to 10 per 100,000 (25–74, age-adjusted) between 2010 and 2019.

That's one demographic sense of "boys being left behind" that specifically contributes (girls and women have overtaken boys and men in many areas of educational attainment, which I'm not going to link here unless someone requests it).

Down into the minds and subjectivity of TRP itself, there's even more that's specific to this kind of community that drives it. Anecdotally, not everybody in TRP-adjacent communities has a diagnosable mental illness. Among those that do though, or tend in that direction, autism, NPD, BPD and traits associated with them that also have a causal relationship with suicidality like attachment security and reflective functioning (https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/18/6/3090) seem to be overrepresented.

Some of the most violent outcomes associated (albeit in a tiny minority of cases) with TRP thought have to do with "aggrieved entitlement" (ex: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Hunter-Boehme/publication/336783781_Alt-White_A_Gendered_Look_at_Victim_Ideology_and_the_Alt-Right/links/5dbc9b16299bf1a47b0a3d0f/Alt-White-A-Gendered-Look-at-Victim-Ideology-and-the-Alt-Right.pdf?_sg%5B0%5D=started_experiment_milestone&origin=journalDetail&_rtd=e30%3D). While I didn't find anything specifically associating this with suicidality (outside of murder-suicide) on a search, it seems intuitively like one possible extreme manifestation of the "thwarted belongingness" I mentioned in another reply as a driver of suicide that also seems present in what people write here and in related forums. That's more speculative than some of this other stuff though.

Faction_Dissension · 2023-12-18T22:19:23+00:00

Women also tend to have more communal ties than men. Men tend to disconnect from their community (or more than likely their community disconnects from them) and when men feel like they literally have nothing left, they will jump from a bridge.

Women have a harder time leaving the home to even walk to a bridge to jump off of it. Women tend to die inside the home so yes, they must use things around the home which tend to be less successful than jumping in front of a train or off a bridge.

Nappy_Ty · 2023-12-18T17:45:19+00:00

men are expected to never show emotions or be vulnerable so I think that has something to do with it

thetruthishere_ · 2023-12-19T02:21:41+00:00

If we want to bottom line it, men dont seek mental help as much as women do.

While its becoming more acceptable today to seek mental health treatment/easier access its still very stigmatized, specially for men.

SweelFor- · 2023-12-18T18:04:13+00:00

Why are you asking this question in this subreddit?

If you are interested in this question, I recommend that you search for psychology research about it. I don't expect anyone on /r/exredpill to be an expert on this topic, myself included.

freeguaco · 2023-12-23T00:26:53+00:00

Biological perseverance is directly related to mating opportunities.

geek-jock-guy · 2026-06-05T13:23:09+00:00

Women attempt more but choose Less Lethal methods

Men choose more lethal methods

Therefore,i will (Redacted)

DecisionPlastic9740 · 2023-12-18T19:04:00+00:00

Men are struggling and aren't being supported

Raging_Dragon_9999 · 2023-12-19T15:17:23+00:00

Feminists have banned or demonized most forms of male gatherings other than sports. There did use to be massive male support system in the form of men's clubs, which according to my boomer father were everywhere. Says you couldn't throw a rock without finding one.

I'd also say it's a result of neo-liberal capitalism. Men can't make the money require do attract a woman, or if they do, get laid off, feel they have no value, then kill themselves.

Dear-Tank2728 · 2023-12-18T20:49:46+00:00

Honestly when i start thinking its always something surefire to kill me.

TypicalProfit8475 · 2023-12-19T20:13:05+00:00

This is all wild! Everyone is out here only amplifying the studies making men solely to blame for it. While that’s true in that they are the ones choosing to commit suicide and choosing that option. Never ok, especially where kids are involved. Let’s not pretend that it’s easy for men to access help and that society isn’t making it harder for men then women. Men are more isolated, more lonely, suffer more in divorce court and are more disposable with less or often no options available to them when they find themselves in domestic abuse situations. There’s no public and next to no private funding for male shelters for example. As a single dad, who had my kids full time for 2 years while my ex was extremely unwell. She had access to funding for everything as a mum (even with out her kids) I had access to almost nothing. I had a church drop me off a food parcel once, and I got access to counseling only because my kids had an unwell mother. When we eventually got help with communication counseling between us to help us co-parent, which I asked for due to domestic abuse from her, in the second session I had the counselor run me through a living without violence document gendered with men as the perpetrator asking me if I was doing any of these things. It’s wild out here and you all are tone deaf and seriously lack compassion and understanding.

DangerStarfish · 2023-12-20T02:21:26+00:00

Because men are disposable in modern society. We are the great patriarchal evil that plagues the existence of women, children, and dogs...

I'm being sarcastic. ... But fr... I still scratch my head at the fact that women's health coverages in the USA,as far as what is considered "necessary", is largely decided by a room full of elderly men. That to me is fucking wild. And should have been changed eons ago.

Ecstatic_Park_831 · 2024-02-17T05:47:08+00:00

Norah Vincent’s book Self Made Man is a good read to understand though I suspect most of this subreddit will hate it

Title	Why are specifically male suicide rates so high ?
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