Noticed something strange

ZealousidealCrazy393 · 2025-01-13T16:17:50+00:00

I don't know about third world countries, but in places like the USA what we would call the left has been the absolute loudest mouthpiece for "men have caused all the problems in the universe" for generations now. Men do not want to align themselves with a movement whose worldview casts them as villains.

YetAgain67 · 2025-01-13T16:37:45+00:00

Because "left wing" politics was taken over by idpol and corpo-backed feminist movements instead the left wing ideal focusing on class consciousness and socialized systems of government, healthcare, etc.

The idpol thumpers shoot this observation down as "class reductionism." I don't care. I'll gladly wear that label as a good thing...because it all boils down to (or reduces, ha!) to class.

That's not to say I don't think social progress matters. Or even that I don't think idpol has it's place. Of course I do, but I think social divisions will erode once class divisions are actually addressed with substance and meaningful action.

The left, even the most genuinely passionate and well meaning ones, seems to not be able to let go of their aggrieved idpol mentality.

SvitlanaLeo · 2025-01-13T16:56:19+00:00

Because in many countries, self-proclaimed leftists demonstrate explicit misandry.

Grow_peace_in_Bedlam · 2025-01-13T18:50:01+00:00

Interestingly, that seems not to be the case in the country I'm living in (Mexico). The new left-wing female president got more male support than female support.

Anyway, I think it's because idpol libs have hijacked the term "left wing," so men associate it with that instead of defending the interests of the working class (which, given that men are still expected to be the workhorses in today's society, line up pretty damn well with men's interests).

The_Squiggy · 2025-01-13T23:53:59+00:00

Someone summed it up really well just after the election.

"Men have problems. We don't have solutions " - the right.

"Men don't have problems, Men ARE the problem" - the left.

It's a damn abysmal choice, but in this context it's pretty clear.

Capricious_Paradox · 2025-01-13T16:19:22+00:00

I think that a lot of the typical left-wing rhetoric is, often, more interested in purity than in actual progress. The (absolutely rightful) fights for LGBT rights, racial equality and women's rights often transform into antagonization of the straight white male, seen as the epitome of privilege and the root of all evil. Inevitably, men become distrustful of left-wing ideas.

On conflating leftism with liberalism, I think this is a typically American thing, where the Overton window has shifted so much to the right that people don't even realise it. If you look at, say, the European Parliament, the liberals (Renew Europe) are considered centrist and have three groups to their left: the Greens, the Social Democrats and the group called "The Left".

Absentrando · 2025-01-14T03:12:56+00:00

The left has not exactly been welcoming to men in recent times

ratcake6 · 2025-01-13T17:50:28+00:00

You probably know this already, but people both for and against leftism associate it with idiots loudly declaring their hatred for men (and to a lesser extent white people). Economy? What's that? 🤪

frackingfaxer · 2025-01-14T01:07:07+00:00

Some relevant commentary, as quoted in a Shoe0nhead video:

“I think a lot of it is a reaction to social progressivism done the wrong way,’” says David Hogg, the progressive activist who co-founded Leaders We Deserve, which helps elect young progressive candidates. Young men, he says, feel like progressives look down on them for saying the wrong thing, even when it’s a mistake. That discomfort, he says, is enough to drive them away from the Democratic Party, even if they don’t necessarily agree with Republicans. “They would rather be around someone they don’t agree with who doesn't judge them,” Hogg says, “than somebody they do agree with who judges them constantly.”

I'm less familiar with the situation in India, so I can't say how applicable this leftist judgmentalism is to that country. Perhaps you can enlighten me about that. What I can say is that the right-wing all over the world likes to rile up male grievance for political ends, portraying not just the local left-wing parties, but left-wing values themselves as a misandrist threat. From what I know about the BJP, that sounds like a strategy they would employ.

WeEatBabies · 2025-01-13T16:15:17+00:00

You need to remind them that the real left wing is a worker's movement!

Pro-Union and pro-worker.

Feminists "left" wing giving preferences to women is right wing!

Social policies with barriers against men and white people is right wing!

NewMonarch · 2025-01-14T14:00:08+00:00

In his book “Identity”, Francis Fukuyama spells out that every human being ultimately demands dignity from society — beyond freedom and rights, they now expect self-esteem and being recognized and legitimized by the state and society. This started in the French Revolution and continued in the Gay Marriage movement and is present in the Trans Rights movement.

The language of the Left, identity politics, the snarkier parts of Me Too, and angry Feminism have delegitimized the dignity of being a Man — especially for young men who have never heard anything else. So only a “cuck” would support a movement that makes them feel that way. It feels like a form of “bootlicker” to those that feel delegitimized.

SpicyMarshmellow · 2025-01-13T17:53:57+00:00

Browse this sub a little bit and it shouldn't be hard to put together. Just look at the next most recent thread right before this one. It's a perfect example.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/1i06vpz/does_anyone_else_get_annoyed_by_the_its_not_about/

SlimShady1415512 · 2025-01-14T07:15:47+00:00

I wrote a post about how the left wing doesn't celebrate masculinity or highlight the positives of men and masculinity. Obviously a lot of people in left form their identities around their victimhood which is very important and we should always be comfortable with addressing our victimhood and our weaknesses. However, in these social situations we should also give boys and men an ideal to aspire to and positive role models. I see many women talk about how women are just better than men at certain things and some of them are probably true and most of them seem false. However, when we say something like men are better at chess or men are better at math on average, it's seen as something negative. The left should not just talk about how men are the victims but also what men are and what men are good at and why men are needed desperately for our society.

NotJeromeStuart · 2025-01-13T23:28:10+00:00

Because lefties are too often spineless, and afraid to be wrong, which is not good for a man. To be a lefty, you have to be more passive, which is often undesirable for a man. The left is altogether not made for men. I say this as a gay leftist.

Langland88 · 2025-01-13T19:10:14+00:00

For me, as a person left of center, I have issues witb identifying with the left because our left wing party in the USA has kind of built an image of hating all straight while cisgendered men since 2014. It doesn't help that Hollywood and the news outlets helped reinforce this image as well. What's worse is that when you call it out, you get dismissed as a bigot or dismissed on the grounds that it's supposedly fake news.

alphonsus90 · 2025-01-15T01:34:13+00:00

There seems to be a general feeling among men (the exact numbers of which are uncertain I think, but it's not insubstantial) that leftists don't really give a damn about them.

CeleryMan20 · 2025-01-14T21:05:37+00:00

More generally, some factors why people think left=bad:

Left is bad for business. Business benefits us all. Trickle trickle.
Left spend money on social programs and the disadvantaged. This is presented as “irresponsible economic management”, which is “bad for the economy”. See previous point (bad for business) and next point (giving our tax dollars to the wrong kind).
Left is for social stuff that ‘we’ don’t like. Gays and aboriginals and trannies and foreigners and those other religions and treehuggers, oh my.
Entertainment/news media, polarisation, and echo chambers.
Left means cancel culture, political correctness, oppression of ‘my’ kind.
Lack of viable political representation for true leftish policies. The “left” parties are often right-lite or LINOs.
Demographic and cultural changes from immigration.
Workers’ rights? What are they? (Because, previous points.)

RadiantRadicalist · 2025-01-14T19:18:34+00:00

Liberalism is a left-wing ideology and was created by proto-republicans(Not the same the Rep, party.) back during the late 1600s-early 1700s.

(No clue why people keep saying that Liberalism is NOT a left-wing ideology.)

anywho the American men are not becoming (As another redditor in this thread said and posted a link) right-wing there are multiple graphs/studies that disprove the belief and this belief was started by right-wingers and the lack of support from men for the left.

42% of the men that voted in the 2024 election voted for the Democratic party whilst 45% of women voted for the Republican party.

A better issue is what's causing them to stagnate from actually joining the left as one side is all for prosperity and easy life and the other is all about doing jack all and running about because they have no clue what else to do in their free time.

I believe the primary issue is the ideology "LEFTISM" which is basically the left's version of MAGA.

Much like MAGA Leftism brought a bunch of different groups all of which had some level of dislike towards each other and forced them to work together against a perceived enemy (Which was white men but slowly expanded to men before expanding to anyone who doesn't agree with them.) however as time went on and no real meaningful progress was made each group started to take shots at each other before it finally culminated in the loss of the 2024 election and leftism dying with each group now hating each other more than before.

however since we're living in a post-leftism world People conflate Liberalism with Leftism (Despite Liberalism hating Leftism more than it hates Conservatism.) and since Leftism hates men we naturally avoid or move away from it.

CeleryMan20 · 2025-01-14T21:02:12+00:00

In Australia the left-right party split was traditionally about economics and class. Labor was the working-people’s party and Liberal was for business and and the professional class.

The liberal party have traditionally called themselves a “broad church”, but they have a tendency to be socially conservative whilst being economically lassais faire. I think we have seen jingoistic and tough-on-crime rhetoric from them for a while (“stop the boats” was our version of “build more wall”). But they seem to be leaning harder into culture-war talking points.

Murdoch newspapers are promoting culture wars to stoke outrage, the politicians they support also happen to have policies that favour rich business owners like Murdoch and Rinehart, but don’t look at the self-interest, look at how “woke” the others are. Politicians have to placate Murdoch, else they lose elections. New media is breaking the stranglehold of old media, but social media is a cesspit of rage-bait that is worse than what it replaced.

Under Hawke-Keating, Labour went in for fiscal deregulation, j-curve, and trickle-down economics. It was the Reagan-Thatcher era of neo-liberalism and free trade. The “left” party left the working class, and the working-middle class became more aspirational that they too could get rich someday if the government could “make the economy good”.

It seems both major parties have given in to financial markets and big business lobbying. Big mining companies strip our ground of resources, send the profits overseas, drive up the local price of commodities like natural gas, and pay fuck-all tax giving nothing back to our country.

Both sides’ policies are just tinkering around the edges. Two election cycles ago Labor lost the unlosable election and though they won the last one, they are walking a tightrope and can hardly move.

Have the voters moved right, or have the politicians abandoned the populace in favour of money? Until someone addresses how the money doesn’t trickle down, is there even a difference? There is a lot of lip service around the “cost of living crisis”, when that abates people will forget.

Immigration is at an unsustainable high. We are importing 2% of our population every year. It props up the economic metrics when we have more consumers to buy shit, drives up housing cost (benefiting investors), and pushes down wages. Do those new arrivals favour spending on social programs, or will they vote for the party that promises tax cuts? Tax cuts for business means more jobs, right?

Sorry, that’s a long screed that doesn’t directly answer your question. I’ll post a separate comment with more general points.

mynuname · 2025-01-13T20:36:58+00:00

I think 'anything-wing' makes you sound extreme in that way. Right-wing sounds like you dropped out of high school, left-wing sounds like you hug trees. I prefer the term progressive, because I want to move forward, rather than backward.

SlyPogona · 2025-01-13T16:51:58+00:00

Because third world countries tend to have leftist goverments that completely failed, are fucking the people in all possible ways, are incredible corrupt, actually rig elections and yet they have leftists gringos defending them because everrything they don't like is the CIA's fault, never the goverment incompetence and corruption

Excellent_You5494 · 2025-01-13T20:23:19+00:00

The vast majority of anti male sexism happens on the left wing. They see males as sub-human.

Right wingers just don't want penises in women's bathrooms. They see males as bigger females.

Title	Noticed something strange
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Date	January 13, 2025 3:51 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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