Do We Live In a Patriarchy?

headphone-candy · 2024-05-10T23:15:02+00:00

Nope. Women are the vast majority of college degrees, middle management, teachers, caregivers, and social work jobs. They are the preponderance of the highest level of the system regular people have access to. They are the gatekeepers for the corporate state. They ARE the de facto “patriarchy”.

63daddy · 2024-05-11T00:33:31+00:00

Not in the political sense feminists claim we do.

In a political sense, a patriarchy is a system where men are granted power of rule and women have no say in the political process. In the U.S., men are granted no special power of rule. I have no more say than any woman does.

Women can and do run for political offices. Women have an equal right to vote with more eligible female voters than male. Feminists have a very strong lobby, and have influenced many policies favoring women over men.

So no, we don’t live in a patriarchy, not even close.

HelpfulViolinist3562 · 2024-05-10T22:42:34+00:00

Nope women still have a say, if we got rid of the 19th amendment then it'd be closer. Considering I still have to take my wife's feelings and opinions into consideration, usually in decisions that have nothing to do with her in any way shape or form.

TKD1989 · 2024-05-11T00:22:30+00:00

The Patriarchy is the radical leftist version of The Devil. "Rape Culture" is the left version of "You're going to Hell" (Fire and Brimstone)

HfUfH · 2024-05-11T09:36:55+00:00

Yes, the majority of the ruling class are men. But that doesn't mean normal men who aren't a part of the top 0.1% have any special systemic privileges due to their gender.

ralphswanson · 2024-05-11T00:40:00+00:00

In what way do we live in a patriarchy? Men have no social advantages over men. The average man has no more power than the average women. In fact, women have more rights than men do: can avoid draft, can unilaterally end a pregnancy, female-only scholarships, female-only services, affirmative action, advantage in divorce, and favoured in criminal law. Women are 55% of the electorate, so nobody is elected without their support. Women usually elect men. Is that a patriarchy? No. Few women have enough interest to run for office.

Women prefer successful, wealthy men. Men respond by working harder and reaching most of the top paying positions. Their wives enjoy spending this money. These position are often high-profile, raising the jealousy of lazy feminists. These position are often dangerous, a fact covered up by feminists. Does fewer talented women choosing to drive for the top mean we live in a patriarchy? To feminists, yes. They demand equal outcome regardless - but only when it favour them. Feminists are quite happy with the gender gaps in child-custody, homelessness, suicide, incarceration, and work place deaths.

Ok_Solid_5038 · 2024-05-10T23:51:07+00:00

I read in an article that even with the current state of the world Queens still went to war more frequently and for longer periods of time.

So if we are and that’s also true thank fucking god.

Shay561 · 2024-05-11T05:35:13+00:00

In my personal opinion, we do not live in a patriarchy. We also do not live in a matriarchy. We live in a society that has different perceptions of people depending on their sex, race, sexuality, etc. that they both suffer and benefit from. And there are groups within society that perpetuate those perceptions (mostly the negative ones) of one group in order to make the other group look better.

L1me1nthec0c0nut · 2024-05-10T22:58:22+00:00

Women have the same reproductive rights as men do, despite the complaining.

Yung4Yrs · 2024-05-11T04:59:55+00:00

In the USA women have more legal rights and protection, equal standing before the law, and opportunity for leadership positions than in any nation at any time in world history. But it's never good enough, they're still "victims". Pick any other interest group and it's the same. Everything is skewed, everything deserves payback (reparations). Equality of opportunity, merit, personal initiative. These things all require someone's thumb on the scale to right prior injustices. And the sub group known as white males are at the root of all the evil. Everyone knows we are toxic.

KangarooCrapper · 2024-05-11T04:42:52+00:00

No...Gynocentric Social Order.

mrkpxx · 2024-05-11T08:43:41+00:00

We live in a gynocentric society.

hendrixski · 2024-05-11T11:00:34+00:00

Are we really living in a patriarchy?

Aaaaaaaahhhahahahahahaha no.

what really defines our government as one?

A patriarchy is a system designed to benefit men. Instead our government consigned men to die on battlefields and labor in dangerous jobs so that our economy runs on the pain-riddled bodies of exhausted men. Instead of protecting men from things that target men (like paternity fraud or genital mutilation) it protects women and instead it focused its legal system on criminalizing the activities of men and policing men while allowing women to remain mostly undisturbed.

It's the opposite of a patriarchy.

Is this the average mans fault if so?

No the system I described is the fault of the men and women of the powerful classes.

Extreme_Spread9636 · 2024-05-11T02:54:17+00:00

Let's say that hypothetically there was a patriarchy. is this patriarchy also in Ukraine? People always seem to say that the patriarchy hurts men. What have women exactly done to stop that patriarchy? They could literally protest against that patriarchy and stop sending men to die in that pointless war, but they don't.

It doesn't matter whether there is a patriarchy or not, because at the end of the day, they won't stop it. Women hate every dominant force that exist, but have absolutely no problem looking away as long as they benefit from them.

mee8Ti6Eit · 2024-05-10T23:30:11+00:00

No, you probably live in some sort of democracy.

A long time ago, there used to be matriarchies. Those societies went extinct. Then there were patriarchies, which have also gone extinct/transitioned to better social structures.

Grand-Juggernaut6937 · 2024-05-10T22:25:54+00:00

“The patriarchy” is just a frame of reference for looking at power dynamics. Some people like calling it that, some people call it “capitalism” or “the will to power”

So yes and no. You can view any society through a patriarchal or matriarchal lens. Many of the things feminists say about the patriarchy are often true, but the trick is that they have outlawed discussion of a matriarchal lens to see how women influence power dynamics.

But currently for most people, women have vastly more power than typical men in almost every sphere. Feminists have largely succeeded in declawing “patriarchal” practices that don’t benefit them while preserving matriarchal system to grant women advantages over men.

Extreme_Spread9636 · 2024-05-11T00:28:14+00:00

Patriarchy never made sense. Men are in control, but they are also negatively affection each other and victims at the same time. The top men are controlling the bottom men, but we're also not allowed to walk away from our gender role and by that, walk away from the patriarchy.

UnhappyInevitable680 · 2024-05-11T11:28:29+00:00

It’s a projection on women’s part. They think men all want to oppress women and are inherently evil, they think we are all hive minded like them, they think if mostly men are in power that we are all going to get together in collusion to make rape legal or something crazy like that lol. It’s because women know that that’s what they would do, because they know that they are all a hive minded group and that they are abusive with power, because deep down they know that they do have power in this society, a lot of it (halo effect). They aren’t held accountable for anything, and they know it, and they know they abuse it at every turn.

kuzism · 2024-05-11T09:35:19+00:00

Women are becoming more and more masculine and they are taking over everything. The average woman weighs more than a man who is her height. The average woman has more tattoos than the average man. Women dress in loose fitting men's clothes and rarely wear feminine dresses or skirts. Masculine men are demonized and men who become women are put into positions of power.

DescriptionGeneral25 · 2024-05-11T07:50:27+00:00

We live in a patriarchy the same way a lazy parasite housewife who does nothing all day and spends her husband's hard earned money on luxuries lives in a patriarchal household. Society can be patriarchal because a patriarchy just means a man is in charge, but that doesn't mean men get privileges and women are oppressed, in fact, it has always been the opposite, with or without a patriarchy.

utopista114 · 2024-05-11T09:30:32+00:00

There's no patriarchy, only capitalism.

The_Local_Rapier · 2024-05-11T12:55:19+00:00

Abortion laws limit women? In what way? If a man is raped even if he is underage and is assaulted by an adult woman he has to pay child support. This means that lack of consent to sex still equates to consent to parenthood. So the lack of abortion for women makes this equal for both sexes. It’s the definition of gender equality

Ok-Yogurtcloset7394 · 2024-05-11T03:22:49+00:00

That soley depends on the Definition of patriachy, if anyone tells you that, ask them what they mean by it. If they say they are refering to a society made by and for men, then no America is not a patriachy. women and men are treated equally in law.

The thing they don't understand is that genderroles had theire reasons. yes women were expected to be mothers, to marry, to take care of a family. this did not happen because people hate women, it happened because that was the most effecient way which was viewed as healthy for a society to grow.

Personally i'd argue that we gave women a princess treatment with the way we split genderroles. Men were forced into wars, forced to neglect theire own health for societies well being. If i could choose between being a loving stay at home parent that gets to make sure the Family is as happy and well as possible compared to being the provider, who's purpose it is to go and destroy himself earning money so the family and society can sustain themselves, genuinely? personally i'd choose to be a woman.

whats important to note is that these genderroles have NOTHING to do with misogyny. this isn't the way it is because people hate women. you can argue that women expirience Violence because of misogyny, but not that society wanted them to be mothers.

so no, I disagree, we do not live in a patriachy where systemically men are treated better because of theire gender. we only treat rhich people better. rhich people being men soley comes from the fact that men where raised to work as hard and much as possible. where women would Stop becuase it harms theire health, a man pulls through. they love to call this toxic masculinity, but really it's just the reason for most of the privileges men have.

kesymaru · 2024-05-11T03:14:44+00:00

Nope

strangermvision · 2024-05-11T08:02:44+00:00

They'll always find something to cry about or someone to blame

NeoNotNeo · 2024-05-11T10:51:04+00:00

Patriarchy theory is a fraud, perpetrated by narcissists and con artists. The vast majority of quality of life indexes in the West demonstrates women as a group have the advantage.

Jeepwave13 · 2024-05-11T12:52:43+00:00

No. Our society is gynocentric and anyone who says different is delusional.

Former_Range_1730 · 2024-05-11T06:40:02+00:00

We live in both a Patriarchy and a Matriarchy. It depends on one's family structure neighborhood and school setting.

Bron_3 · 2024-05-11T10:14:22+00:00

If we're such a patriarchy, a society that is run by men for the benefit of men, then why are men sacrificed at every opportunity? Why are 3/4 of homeless people men? Why do men die far more often and in far worse ways? Why do men receive harsher sentences for the same crimes? If we're really out to get women and prop up men, where are the men's only organizations? Shelters? Scholarships?

okliman · 2024-05-11T12:21:21+00:00

Seems like closer to the opposite in fact... I mean.... They have less obligations and more rights according to the laws of most countries.

In some way the difference is too much.(I'd better live as a woman in patriarchal society, then as a man now, but see no choice for now)

Kvltizt · 2024-05-11T21:03:29+00:00

Not even close and all it takes is a simple glance around.

Captainsignificance · 2024-05-12T21:25:56+00:00

I don’t think that women in the US are getting the same rights as men. Women are getting many more rights than men. Here are a few examples: 1. Women get preferential treatment in divorce courts. 2. Men are required to sign up for selective service but not women. 3. Our body our choice? Not so for men! Women can vote that men go to war and lose their lives while they watch on tv from home. 4. As many as 40% of babies are supported by men who are not their fathers because of court orders. And men have no say about these paternity frauds. 5. There have been many proven false SA allegations against men but no legal or even financial consequences to the women accusers. They just walk away because they are women. That’s the legal double standards. 6. On average women serve only 30% of the sentences that men serve for the same crime! Yet this sexism is never talked about. And these are only a few of the inequalities that men face in todays “patriarchal” society

International-Age352 · 2024-05-13T20:51:14+00:00

Do men not matter? I'd really appreciate 10 mins of your time to complete an anonymous survey. I am conducting a study to investigate whether adverse childhood experiences (ACE,s) & domestic voilence/ intimate partner voilence makes men feel like they don't matter. With suicide being the biggest killer in men under 40, could this be a contributing factor? https://forms.gle/quJ9eBKJ1eAuU3Dz7

sane_asylum · 2024-05-11T00:30:54+00:00

Delulu

RProgrammerMan · 2024-05-11T00:09:01+00:00

I think mild patriarchy is a good thing. I understand how it could go too far. But I think in a healthy household the man focuses on work and the woman on childcare. I think the man has a little more power since he earns most of the money. I think it creates stability. That's not to say there can't be exceptions, but I think this is best for most people. I think our society needs more patriarchy. I think it's driven by biological needs while they think it's social conditioning. I think men lead while women decide who's worth following. Who's to say which is more important, it's a chicken and the egg type situation. When it flips you end up with the woman being the mom and the man being the child. The dynamics never go away. They whine and complain because they want to avoid responsibility, marriage and continue to bang chads without consequences.

Proof_Option1386 · 2024-05-10T22:25:28+00:00

In some ways we do, in some ways we don't. People want to give definitive and overarching answers to a question that doesn't have definitive and overarching answers.

I would say no. I would say no because we live in a society in which women have a slight majority in voting and therefore have the ability to have the definitive word on many if not most of the issues that concern them. That government fucks them on an issue like abortion isn't because government is Patriarchal, but because so many women are willing to vote for politicians who support draconian abortion laws.

People who would say yes would look at the history of our society - a history in which, up until recently, women couldn't vote; couldn't inherit; couldn't have a bank account; and had no representation in government or industry because they weren't allowed to participate in either. People who say yes argue that there is therefore a built in legacy of patriarchy in our system that persists and is the definitive characteristic of that system, even though those strictures don't exist today. I don't agree with them that we can define our society as a "Patriarchy," but I would certainly agree that there are legacies and holdovers from a time when we lived in a Patriarchy.

kirewes · 2024-05-11T12:26:33+00:00

The only thing I can see that seems to fit the bill other than abortion laws is socially some people are sexist to women when it comes to promotion or certain other specific activities. However I think there's already been a swing towards the other side. In certain areas I see you women get preferential treatment when it comes to promotion and definitely socially. Currently I think/seen a big divide in sexist thoughts. Most of the older folks and some others (we're talking boomers & blind Andrew Tate followers here) are the more patriarchal side. And then I've seen many of several other generations mostly split but so many of them are matriarchal. There is a very large silent "middle" more logical group. I would like to think that the majority of people here are part of that group. I do also believe there are some more patriarchal people in here. That's okay though, usually we snap back.

Also I think there is an argument to say it's more of a oppressive oligarchy. There's a specific group of people who are currently at the top that have been at the top always and who choose who stays at the top. If there's any oppression they do the oppression to everyone else and grow the money and prosperity Gap. In short we're all getting f*** raw with razor blade and dildos and those same people who are doing it to us point the finger at anything else but them. All this s*** is a distraction and I f****** hate that people can't move past it.

Bloodhoven_aka_Loner · 2024-05-11T18:08:51+00:00

if anything, we live in a plutocracy

HotRaise4194 · 2024-05-13T22:25:17+00:00

We do but only the top 10% of men reap the benefits.

ElliZSageAdvice · 2024-05-10T22:25:40+00:00

The Equal Rights Amendment has never been ratified. The majority of members of Congress are men. Men makeup the majority of judges, district attorneys and most civic seats of power. Men are the majority of leaders of Fortune 500 companies. Oh, & “someone” decided women cannot make their own healthcare decisions. So yes, we live in a patriarchy.

BrilliantDoubting · 2024-05-11T00:19:07+00:00

Depends of which side of public life you are measuring: Politics, economy and the "knowledge-sector" (media, arts, science, religion...) is run predominantly by men. This is what usually called "the patriarchy". At least in this day and age.

But simultaneously the matriarchy exists too. It's just a different kind of power: Sexuality, might be the biggest one here.

Character_Display945 · 2024-05-11T13:33:20+00:00

The biggest things that I see are these:

the pervasiveness of SA/Sexual harassment and the lack of legal consequences of this.

The unfair domestic labor splits

The unequal parenting responsibilities, custody etc. We always say courts are skewed against men, but really it’s women who suffer poverty and mental health as the entire burden of children is placed on them, and child support doesn’t cover even half the cost. Men are able to opt out of parenting, women are not. 50/50 splits are better for everyone but less common, except in situations where men are already established (more likely with white upper middle class men to split 50/50).

When dads do have custody, they often have more support from other women in their life- woman will step in and help parent a partner who has kids, while men are not likely to step in and help parent a women with children who aren’t his.

The unequal attitudes towards women and men in various things- single mothers should have kept her legs closed, single fathers are so great they stepped up, men who get married at work are seen to be harder workers now because they have a family to support, while women are seen less dedicated because their family will get in the way. Assuming that men are experts in their field while women have to prove their credentials and expertise over and over.

Hostility women face in male dominated industries.

Blaming women for men’s behavior- “pick better” “what were you wearing”

The expectations that men can’t express emotions other than anger.

Women are called emotional, ignoring that anger is an emotion and men express that just as much.

Emotional labor expectations on women to cater to everyone else’s ego and needs while sacrificing her own, and the societal shame people place when a woman picks her own needs. For example I saw a thread not long ago where a woman refused to tell her husbands side of the family the updates in their pregnancy insisting he take responsibility for communication with his family and she was tore up for that. Or I saw another instance where a mother in law was blaming her daughter in law for allowing her son and that woman’s husband to drink so much because he was an alcoholic and I didn’t understand what the wife was supposed to do to keep her husband from drinking.

The idea that it’s a woman’s responsibility to take care of her husbands sexual needs regardless of her own feelings.

“Boys will be boys” when we tolerate violence against female classmates at a young age.

Men who are bossy have leadership, women who are bossy nag and are bitches.

Weaponized incompetence we look to men to be leaders but also believe they can’t figure out how to load a dishwasher.

Objectification of women, our society regularly compares women to inanimate objects and views women as a product to be consumed by men, values her accordingly, while men are often seen to be the consumers.

How we approach sexuality with men who are sexually promiscuous compared to women who are sexually promiscuous.

When inequalities are pointed out, our culture accuses the person on the receiving side of inequality as “trying to be a victim” instead of addressing the issue.

Women are discouraged from “making a fuss” while men are encouraged to “grab life by the balls” or “go get it”.

Those are the things I thought of off the top of my head.

Title	Do We Live In a Patriarchy?
Author	The_Glass_Arrow
Upvotes	117
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Date	May 10, 2024 10:10 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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