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They tried a study and it was cut short due to the men in the trial dropping out because of the side effects. These side effects are exactly what women experience while on BC. So I don't know if they'll be conducting another study

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Please don't strawman us.

except for the severe emotional problems. That was definitely more than we see with the birth control pill.

One man developed severe depression, and another tried to commit suicide.

Two committees . . . Cut the study short

Researchers stopped the experiment because the side effects were more common, and generally more severe.

If I recall correctly it was also significantly less effective in its actual performance. This article is (probably intentionally) vague about that. They left out the exact number either because of incompetence or an agenda. In an article like this, that number is absolutely critical, but instead they leave it out, saying:

there were only a handful of pregnancies among partners of men in the trial.

Don't spread mis information like this:

These side effects are exactly what women experience while on BC.

Finally, many of the participants said they would still use the medication.

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Yeah, one should also remember that this is by far the least promising of the male options being looked into. There is Vasagel (and I think one other similar one) which creates a solid plastic block between the penis and testicles; there is also the one that is based on an Indonesian boiled herb which pupportedly temporarily makes the sperm heads too soft to be effective.

The one that got the media attention for bombing spectacularly was the hormonal option; since the male problem is mechanically different from the female one there is no reason to go with a hormonal solution.

Many have made the argument (tldr did a good video) that those heavily pushing the hormonal option on men have previously been shown to be pushing the idea that men are defective women and that the whole world would be better if men would be more like women; and surprise surprise the totally coincidental side effect of the hormonal option is exactly that. And one should also note that the majority of the articles publicising this garbage followed the classic tactic of trying to make men capitulate with their agenda ie shame.

Sure the other options may have run into problems in their official testing; but Im sure none of us would be surprised if they were being intentionally stalled because there is no benefit on a social, governmental or financial level to giving men comprehensive control over their fertility.

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Why did they use a picture of Gavin free?

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Literally rape culture. People take it for granted that if you go to prison you're gonna get raped, it's even funny to them. "Don't drop the soap! xD"

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Women should have to get the father's consent to have an abortion?

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The OP's picture literally says "We can march against...women aborting your own child without your consent."

Do you agree with this?

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What's the point in marching against something if you don't want to change it?

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Of course nobody would march for the right to force women to stay pregnant.

thousands of people do, though

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https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/116

(a) Except as provided in subsection (b), whoever knowingly circumcises, excises, or infibulates the whole or any part of the labia majora or labia minora or clitoris of another person who has not attained the age of 18 years shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.

(b) A surgical operation is not a violation of this section if the operation is—

(1) necessary to the health of the person on whom it is performed, and is performed by a person licensed in the place of its performance as a medical practitioner; or

(2) performed on a person in labor or who has just given birth and is performed for medical purposes connected with that labor or birth by a person licensed in the place it is performed as a medical practitioner, midwife, or person in training to become such a practitioner or midwife.

(c) In applying subsection (b)(1), no account shall be taken of the effect on the person on whom the operation is to be performed of any belief on the part of that person, or any other person, that the operation is required as a matter of custom or ritual.

(d) Whoever knowingly transports from the United States and its territories a person in foreign commerce for the purpose of conduct with regard to that person that would be a violation of subsection (a) if the conduct occurred within the United States, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.

How tf do we have that, but not a male equivalent??? (I realise this is U.S.A, but still.)

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Children are not aborted, foetus's are.

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Yeah, that's the only men's rights topic that I just don't get. They are upset when women get an abortion because they wanted the kid to be born but the woman did not want to have it. If it were possible for women to transfer their fetsuses (fetusi?) to the father and let him carry it, then it would be a different conversation. But it's not possible. I think that generally speaking men and women are more similar than they are different, but the few biological differences that they have are not in any way trivial. Men don't have to deal with periods and pregnancy, but likewise they won't ever get to incubate a baby themselves. Women aren't usually as physically strong as men, but they can have children without a man ever living on the same planet or in the same time period (just need frozen sperm). None of us were given the choice of what sex we wanted to be born as. Just the luck of the draw. We all have to deal with the hand that we were dealt. For women, this means choosing to be pregnant or not. Men don't have that choice because they can't get pregnant. Why do any of them think that they should also get to choose whether or not a woman has the responsibility of incubating a child that was made using half of their DNA? If they can invent a way to transfer a fetus to themselves or a device that can incubate it until it is fully gestated, then maybe we can have that conversation. But until they can figure out a way to incubate a fetus, then they have no say in the matter because it's not their bodies that are being used to carry the fetus, regardless of whether the fetus contains half of their DNA. It's just the hand that they got dealt.

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The hell? Yes we are. Just because we do have a choice doesn't mean women aren't shamed for it.

That sucks. But the issue is not being shamed for the choice, the issue is not having the choice at all. For men and for women.

Not to mention the increasing difficulty of getting the abortion if you're not fairly well off or can find assistance/transportation.

That sucks too. But at least you actually can get the abortion at all. Now lets fight together that men can have that right too, like I did my whole life in favor of abortion.

Just please try to imagine it was the other way around. A mra telling you how difficult it is for a man to "financially abort" an unborn child if you're not fairly well off to find a lawyer and how they still get shamed for "financial abortion" all while as a woman you legally can't get an abortion at all, you're forced to raise it 18 years, no choice at all if the man says so. How would you react, would you still have the audacity to ask "The hell?"

There are men, who can't afford to raise a child - man ends up in prison + child support

There are women raping men - man pays child support

There are men who are not the biological father - man pays child support

There are men who's sperm gets stolen - man pays child support

There are men who were told the woman is on the pill - man pays child support

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Those things are not right and should be illegal. If a woman decides that she will have a baby, she should be required to inform the father so that he can be a part of the child's life if he chooses. And of course it should also be illegal to trick men into raising kids that aren't theirs. Giving everyone DNA tests could fix that. For child support, I want children to be supported, but at the same time, if a man didn't want the kid, then I don't think he should be the one to pay for the kid. Maybe some sort of compromise? Like, if the man didn't want the kid and doesn't want to take care of it financially then he can just sign his parental rights away? The same can be true of the mom. If the dad wants the kid rather than letting the mom put it up for adoption, she would have to help pay child support, unless she wants to sign her parental rights away. For people who don't make much money but still want to be a part of their kid's life, maybe we can require very very small (token) child support payments so that people aren't encouraged to give up their parental rights just because the child support payments are too high for their tight budgets.

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Ideally, everyone should be using birth control and abortion should be a last resort. Regardless of the reason a woman gets pregnant, we have the technology to help women have safe abortions. There is no reason why we shouldn't do it. By your logic, if a man or a woman has sex and catches an STD, we shouldn't do anything about it because they engaged in an activity that carries risk. It's their fault that they had sex and got an STD. I hope that you can see how unreasonable that is. Humans are different from most other animals in that we find sex to be a pleasurable activity that we like to engage in with our partners without the desire for it to lead to procreation. Sex is a healthy way that couples can express their love for each other. Another problem with the "women deciding to have sex = taking responsibility for getting pregnant" argument is that if everyone had that mindset...guys would be getting laid way less often, even if they were married. Which is why I don't get why any guy would make that argument. He is basically trying to convince women not to have sex with men because it is too risky. Please don't convince them of that. Education on contraceptives is important. I know that there is a huge mistrust of big pharma, but your argument is a little flawed in that getting more women on birth control (which can be expensive) and using condoms is still going to make pharmaceutical companies a tidy profit, maybe even more than if they sell abortion inducing drugs. So, I'm not sure that they are actually behind a push to increase the number of abortions that people get (at a little googling didn't lead me to any relevant sources).

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There is no scientific nor philosophical/moral consensus on what constitutes a person. Your argument is based on something you made up in your imagination.

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[from the picture]a woman aborting your child without your consent

A woman doesn't need anyone elses permission to get an abortion but her own.

This issue is "what do we do when two biological parents disagree about what to do with a pregnancy?"

A woman gets one decision, the other decision, which should rightfully rest in the man's court, is absolutely the other half of that issue.

Separating these issues from each other is a cheap tactic to avoid acknowledging a blatant inequality and perpetuate that inequality.

You're just telling me your opinion about what should happen if a woman chooses not to abort. I really don't care about it, I never asked for it.

What you've done here is express your opinion, then told me you don't want to hear mine. Don't be a hypocrite.

Its like choosing at what time you have dinner, and what to have for dinner.

It's a lot more like saying "I want an extremely expensive dinner every day for the next 18 years, and you are going to help me finance it." You created a very bad analogy. Women basically have a right to draw blood for 18 years while men can't interrupt a 9 month process.

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Underrated comment.

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Why shouldn't a woman abort a child in her body?

Men and women are different. They can do different things. Men are physically stronger. Women have uteruses.

I can't support guys being able to stop a woman getting an abortion if she wants it.

Some men's rights activists are as bad as the fucking feminists.

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Date	January 25, 2017 10:14 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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