Guardian article on female incels does exactly what you think it does.

LettuceBeGrateful · 2021-10-18T23:56:48+00:00

Rather than blaming the opposite sex for their unhappiness, as some of their male counterparts do, femcels tend to believe their own “ugliness” is the root cause of their loneliness. ... There is anger and open grappling with self-esteem, but no extreme hatred and no sense of entitlement within the community.

I knew before I clicked on this article that it would paint femcel groups in a good light. "No hatred" my ass. They literally lifted their language from male incels. Also, this author says that these women don't blame men for their problems. ...Did she read the rest of the article that she wrote?

Men do something: demonized and vilified based on the worst minority elements.

Women do same thing: "Oh those poor souls!"

BrianGossling · 2021-10-19T04:22:09+00:00

“It’s certainly a much healthier approach than some of the toxic, woman-hating platforms that some men inhabit.”

Proceeds to write a toxic, man-hating article. Christ the hubris

FuzzyWanderer1 · 2021-10-18T22:46:49+00:00

TL;DR blame men.

Fluffy_Penalty_8066 · 2021-10-19T04:50:49+00:00

"When it happens to a woman then we have a problem" is all I get from shit like this. No matter how badly something could hurt a man emotionally or physically they will never acknowledge it because it disproves the entire concept of "oppression".

hudibrastic · 2021-10-19T05:07:56+00:00

“Misogyny is an ideology which dictates that women should be seen as objects, without the same rights as men. Misandry is mostly a reaction to misogyny and informed by evidence. We shouldn’t put all men in the same bag, but at the same time it’s hard to criticise women who have had negative experiences.”

This is painful to read

AirSailer · 2021-10-18T23:28:18+00:00

Misandry is mostly a reaction to misogyny and informed by evidence.

This is a truly outrageous sentimate that unfortunately permeates society right now.

CaptainPrestedge · 2021-10-18T22:57:51+00:00

Women have it worse, blah blah... misogynistic reasons blah blah... no body wants a hideous overweight woman, boo hoo misogyny and patriarchy blah blah blah. Same shit as usual, it's some how our fault we're not attracted to overweight, no effort feminists. Mmmm

Historical_Button445 · 2021-10-19T03:11:45+00:00

WTF was this biased a$$ trash?!?

AppleJuicePro · 2021-10-19T00:59:30+00:00

Summed-up:

"I'm an ugly woman, men won't date me" = a self-loathing woman who deserves understanding and sympathy

...

"I'm an ugly man, women won't date me" = an evil, entitled misogynist who should be treated as a potential terrorist

hudibrastic · 2021-10-19T05:06:58+00:00

Say that women blame themselves

Spend the almost entire article blaming men

StudentOfTheTruth0 · 2021-10-19T06:10:04+00:00

The nerve. The hypocrisy. And why I liked this article, actually, quite a bit.

"Involuntary celibate women seem to be handling their anger and hurt in a more evolved way, throwing themselves into work, life and healthy communities where single life is celebrated."

The textbook definition of what MGTOW is. If women do it, they are "evolved". If men do it, they are sexistracistmisognystfascistnazis and get banned. Including, of course, on Reddit.

"Appearance-based discrimination, termed “lookism” by femcel communities"

There are literally endless articles about how women want the same top 5% of men, you know, "high value men" and looks are as big a part, or even bigger, than the wallet of the man. "Must be at least 6 feet tall", " muscular" and endless other demands. Nobody is more "lookist" then "modern" women in their demand lists (see "Female Dating Strategy") but when it comes to them it is "appearance-based discrimination" and "lookism". Again, the nerve. The hypocrisy. And so much more I could go on about endlessly.

Needless to say, at the ages in the article they clearly have "hit the wall". That's when the punishment for their lookism, promiscuity, hypergamy, and selfish narcissism comes to haunt most "modern women". And look at them crybabies, oh, my. As much as they like to call men "crybabies". Poetic justice, to the max.

I have to be honest: I enjoyed reading this article. It perfectly conforms what I long suspected but is very rarely written about the media: yes, there is a price to pay for misandry and the perversion of modern society by radical feminist agendas.

There is such a thing as "karma".

sorebum405 · 2021-10-19T00:07:43+00:00

In the article they claim that male incels blame their problem on the opposite sex, while female incels blame their own ugliness.This is not entirely true, incels are very self-deprecating, and a lot of them call themselves subhumans, but people overlook them.What I noticed is that when men feel unattractive to the opposite sex their met with insults, and told that they need to improve themselves.However, when women feel like their unattractive to the opposite sex their is a whole body positivity movement for them.This is just another example of society's tendency to view men as perpetrators and women as victims.

Soda_BoBomb · 2021-10-19T05:45:18+00:00

>Rather than blaming the opposite sex for their unhappiness

Proceeds to do nothing but blame men for the entire rest of the article.

Truepeak · 2021-10-19T05:50:14+00:00

“Misogyny is an ideology which dictates that women should be seen as objects, without the same rights as men. Misandry is mostly a reaction to misogyny and informed by evidence. We shouldn’t put all men in the same bag, but at the same time it’s hard to criticise women who have had negative experiences.”

Nice hypocrisy you have there...

2021-10-18T23:36:43+00:00

Women denied love get sympathy. Men denied love get attacked and ridicule.

Yay equality /s

slipkid223 · 2021-10-18T22:50:59+00:00

“I’m not especially drawn to someone’s looks or height."

So they found the only woman in existence who doesn't care about looks or height, LOL Yeah, sure.

"I see lots of beautiful women dating men who aren’t good-looking, but rarely the other way around."

That's cause those guys are rich, she really doesn't know this? Women with money never, ever date down.

"She says the men she encounters are almost always looking for someone younger than themselves."

No shit. 53 year old guys are not interested in 53 y/o Women.

"According to Silva Neves, a sex and relationship psychotherapist with the UK Council of Psychotherapy, it is not uncommon for women to struggle to find a partner they find physically attractive, especially as they get older."

So I guess the one Woman above who is not drawn to looks or heights is an outlier. The real reason seems to be Women are too picky and no Men can meet their impossible standards, ahhhhhhhhh.

"While many men still prioritise beauty, Neves says women’s other successes, such as education, wealth or a good career, may be deemed threatening"

"Threating" is feminist speak for "Men don't give a shit what you do for a living or where you went to school"

Cause we don't. If you make more than us you won't date us, if you make the same or less then we are expected to pay for everything. See why we don't care?

"Elaine, 37, who has been celibate for five years, feels her successful career has played a role in her dating difficulties. “Men don’t like the fact I don’t cook or clean, even though I pay for someone to do both jobs,” she says.

The utter lack of self-awareness is astounding.

These women are upset because Men are now living by the rules they created, therefore Men are to blame.

Exactly what you would expect from a Lefty, Feminist rag like the Guardian.

manbro7 · 2021-10-18T23:59:32+00:00

Only a femcel would generalize two "incel" groups based on gender; with one all being terrorists and the other just "patriarchy" sufferers who deserve your empathy.

The entire article is such an obvious agenda. Man, the feminist hate campaign bullshit has really soaked into everything. They're trying so hard to control everything.

Banake · 2021-10-19T02:38:35+00:00

The Guardian's only standard is double standard.

2021-10-18T23:23:07+00:00

"femcels are not violent"

with the lockdown restrictions being more relaxed, its understandable people will be visiting caves more..

staying in there would shield you from seeing KAM.

TheSpaceDuck · 2021-10-19T10:56:39+00:00

This article is an absolute trainwreck, and potentially dangerous as it deliberately hides female violence that comes from this sentiment.

Theirs is a non-violent resistance.

I guess tell that to Mark Van Dongen, who rejected a woman only to be attacked with acid as she said "If I can't have you, no one will". Oh wait we can't tell him, he's dead now after months of suffering.

We should also tell that to the woman who stabbed a man for refusing sex and then threatened to accuse him of rape if he went to the hospital.

Or the woman who set her husband's genitals on fire because he hugged another woman, then claimed "I just wanted to burn his penis so it belongs to me and no one else. ... I didn't mean this to happen".

Or any of the 105 cases in this list for that matter.

Rather than blaming the opposite sex for their unhappiness, as some of their male counterparts do

A quick look at FDS would immediately show you it's precisely the opposite. Blaming men is a defining trait in these groups. Even the author herself proceeds to blame men for women's involuntary celibacy, go figure.

“The biggest difference between men and women seems to be that men feel entitled to sex and relationships"

Last time I checked it was women who frequently believed men have no right to say no to sex and men's experiences rejecting women seem to have plenty of entitlement and aggression in them.

The scariest thing is: this comes from a mainstream newspaper, not some shady corner of the internet. When you have mainstream media openly covering up for gender violence and attempting to justify it, you know we've reached a worrying point.

pfizerface · 2021-10-18T23:54:14+00:00

The guardian is just FDS panflets at this point.

Every meeting must be like "ok how can we attack men today?"

"I know, the airconditioning is sexist"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/16/study-home-temperature-women-men-sexist

(Btw anywhere I've been, and in my family. The men always oblige to the women's sense of temperature. Can't ever have the aircon on, even if we are melting... Ms is a little chilly round the neck)

JohnKimble111 · 2021-10-19T05:37:15+00:00

Please don’t link to misandrist content.

Prestigious-Role2442 · 2021-10-19T06:00:05+00:00

The absolute state of modern society.

We have incels who are unhappy that women won’t give them a chance (80/20), and we now have a growing group of women who chase that 20%, 10%, 5%, or whatever, have sex with him, then get upset when he inevitably dumps them because he’s in the same position that the women are in with the less attractive guys (this is often referred to as “pump and dump”).

At the end of the day, hardly anyone from any gender is happy, long term relationships are becoming increasingly rare, hookup culture is going rampant, and the traditional family is rapidly becoming a thing of the past.

Add this to the laundry list of political and cultural issues that are also growing by the day. It honestly feels like we are witnessing the complete collapse and/or death of society. If not, you should at least see that society is deathly sick.

newyorkloser45 · 2021-10-18T23:10:20+00:00

Female "incels" don't exist by definition. Incel = Involuntary celibacy. Meaning they can't attract a mate and get sex. Women can definitely get anyone they want in this day and age. They had sex, they're not incel by any means, this article is dumb as hell

They just want top tier men, they're like eugenicists.

makosh22 · 2021-10-19T08:58:09+00:00

Just come into my mind: men haters claim that men are 1. sexually aggressive 2. can sex anything (are promiscuous) .

So these kind of articles blaming men for women to be lonely actually try to make men to have even lower standard to be attracted to very unattractive women and be more sexuaully hungry to have a sexual desire for undesirable...

rainbow_bro_bot · 2021-10-19T14:12:37+00:00

According to the article-

Male incels- toxic, violent, extreme misogynists who are on "hate crime watchlists across the UK"

Female incels (or femcels)- poor victims of men, men are to blame for making them feel ugly.

It's the same with absolutely everything. No matter what the circumstances are or which way round it is, it's always men's fault and women are always portrayed as victims.

Femcels are quick to blame men, but if they spend all their time hanging out in communities like FDS (or take Women's Studies courses which have a lot of "man are bad" conditioning) they are going to end up being single. That isn't the fault of men. FDS wasn't exactly setup by men.

WinTheDell · 2021-10-19T16:23:57+00:00

“Misogyny is an ideology which dictates that women should be seen as objects, without the same rights as men. Misandry is mostly a reaction to misogyny and informed by evidence. We shouldn’t put all men in the same bag, but at the same time it’s hard to criticise women who have had negative experiences.”

Fucking hell, this is sinister. So any man who has been a victim of domestic violence should face no criticism for misogyny. I’ve been mugged and had my house robbed by black people, I’m allowed to be a racist now? Do they fucking hear themselves?!

Extra-Strike2276 · 2021-10-18T23:55:40+00:00

You want to piss a lot of women off, date a women they consider uglier then you. I've been trying to shield my wife from other women our entire relationship. I've had countless women come up to me in public when my wife goes to the bathroom or something. They just can't believe I wouldn't choose them over my wife. There have been a few that were just shameless, and didn't care what damage they would cause. When my mom meet my wife she said "she's to ugly to be that big of a bitch" after just a minute of talking.

I rarely ever find someone's looks attractive, and that completely throws people off. I've also found that if you don't find a women attractive, it makes them more attracted to you. They have a hard time accepting that you aren't interested, even if there an obvious reason why (like your married, or 20 years younger).

I'm curious how many men are like this (don't go off of looks at all)? Are there more then I realise and just afraid to admit it do to reactions, are am I really just weird? I'm obviously not trying to impress my wife by implying people say she's ugly, or other women by posting this (which is something I've been told ever time I say sometimes similar). Other guys even find it impossible that a guy doesn't choose women based on looks.

BrianGossling · 2021-10-19T04:19:44+00:00

"She says the men she encounters are almost always looking for someone younger than themselves."

It's wrong when men want someone younger, but not when this woman wants someone younger. Sheer hypocrisy.

aigars2 · 2021-10-19T04:50:22+00:00

Starting to loose respect for media outlets with each passing day more and more.

DonPepe181 · 2021-10-19T10:00:26+00:00

It is clear the author has not seen r/femaledatingstategy

Gries88 · 2021-10-18T23:04:11+00:00

So basically, chads won’t pay attention to them....

bilgediver · 2021-10-19T02:03:54+00:00

lol as if "lookism" only affects women.

feluto · 2021-10-19T09:09:14+00:00

Eh, i think we should all feel sympathy to femcels and incels and treat them with kindness instead of ridicule

Both have their own problems, largely caused by mental illness, and while assholes on the internet love to ridicule incels for being sad angry virgins why should we ridicule femcels for the same thing? We should be kinder to struggling people regardless of their genitals

This however is total bullshit:

"Neves argues that while misogyny and misandry are both unacceptable,they have very different roots. “Misogyny is an ideology which dictatesthat women should be seen as objects, without the same rights as men.Misandry is mostly a reaction to misogyny and informed by evidence. Weshouldn’t put all men in the same bag, but at the same time it’s hard tocriticise women who have had negative experiences.”

None of it is informed by evidence, it's pure insecurity and psychological issues. its the exact same thing on both sides but the author tries to spin it as okay if it comes to misandry.

LondonDude123 · 2021-10-19T02:18:47+00:00

My breakdown of this article: https://rentry.co/67a3g

Its too long for Reddit...

jessi387 · 2021-10-19T05:47:33+00:00

So much progress could be made if mainstream society could just acknowledge the gender paradigm of agency vs helplessness that we pretend doesn’t exist. Basically just stop taking their side on literally everything

Blackholeo0 · 2021-10-19T10:44:40+00:00

Let me guess, it blames men somehow ?

Aissir · 2021-10-19T10:44:43+00:00

Notice how they are trying to disprove the fact that it's easier for women to get laid by giving exmples of women over 40 that don't get laid, majority of incels is men in their 20's

TheRoxzo · 2021-10-19T11:53:23+00:00

It said female incels blame themselves but then also goes on to blame men the whole time "men have more ways to attract a woman, married men looking for affairs, men just want sex but intimacy, men want a younger woman, men have let themselves go"

the women complaining: 55 (not attractive) so over middle age and likely obese.

Aimander · 2021-10-19T11:56:28+00:00

Someone send the fds sub link to this "journalist" Please

DebSheep · 2021-10-19T13:52:13+00:00

They come straight out and say something along the lines of “I choose people based off of their looks” and then say femcels don’t discriminate based on looks in the same paragraph. I need to stop browsing this sub

Confident-Ad-4569 · 2021-10-19T16:31:05+00:00

Idk wtf I just read but it's was some bullsh*t

tragedyfish · 2021-10-19T18:49:24+00:00

Ugly people have a more difficult time finding a partner. Well, duh. But, of course, this disproportionately affects women. And it's entirely the fault of men.

Neko404 · 2021-10-19T03:01:02+00:00

Women are becoming incels, it’s mens fault!

I don’t know why I bothered to read this. If a woman wants to have sex she will find a man to have sex with. Granted she might have to dig pretty deep and maybe scrape the bottom but she’ll find some to tangle with.

This is some what true for men as well but at the same time if you truly are at the bottom as a man, there is nothing. It’s not happening period.

No-Cost-6992 · 2021-10-19T06:50:01+00:00

I am from India , yesterday I saw an ad on You Tube, it was for a donation, It said how the pandemic has affected the jobs of rural women, and saying that you should donate to them, I am sitting there wondering , what I just saw, they are acting like pandemic didnt affect the jobs of men.

Pandemic happens, women most affected

day5tar · 2021-10-19T06:10:23+00:00

I didn’t know female incels existed because people say there will always be some man begging for them no matter what

ShivasKratom3 · 2021-10-19T06:49:25+00:00

Femcels tend to blame their own ugliness.... I feel like this is overwhelming what most people do? Hows that new

Even seen stuff where incels say "I'm ugly and short but I should still get laid" isnt that blaming his own ugliness

Nihi1986 · 2021-10-19T08:52:13+00:00

After spending some weeks lurking femcel sites to know more about them, I honestly have to agree with the article to an extent. They certainly blame men (but also their own ugliness), hate them a bit, their language and memes are literally based on incel subculture, and they don't feel 'entitled' to a relationship (femcels don't miss sex, they know they can get it what they can't get is a relationship).

The article is right in some points. Now, it would be much better if it said exactly the same about incels. I know them quite well and most of those guys don't feel 'entitled' to sex and mostly hate themselves and their ugliness, lack of social skills, mental health issues and deformities.

Not surprised for what it says about femcels which is mostly true and not surprised for the lack of empathy with the incels. At this point and with articles like this, all the hate from incels towards society is going to be more than justified, honestly. Retarded SJW should stop pretending that the thousands (or millions) of incels out there are all of them like Eliot Rodgers and the school shotters...if it was true, they wouldn't even have the balls to write this kind of articles.

Anyway, I see femcels and incels as two sides of the same coin. They both struggle for the same reasons, more or less, and they both have to see how the world is a much brighter place for the more fortunate (prettier) people. Femcels are obviously more accepted since they are women and incels are automatically hated since they are men, and hated more than the average man is hated since they are also considered misogynists. Both groups suffer, though, and the more empathetic society towards femcels probably doesn't change much of their reality, femcels are deeply unhappy too.

CrazedKnightCK · 2021-10-19T09:04:32+00:00

Whatever a woman does ... it's always good ... I'm very close to transition to female ...

usku · 2021-10-19T19:33:56+00:00

Hmmm. Article in the Guardian about female incels. This is going to go well.

read article

Yep. Femcels are a quiet nice bunch of women who can’t find men because they are ugly. Which is different from incels because they blame women’s standards.

Here is an idea. How about incels and femcels get off their high fucking horses and date each other.

Ugly people and ugly people, hand in hand in helping the genetically impoverished folk find love.

Seriously the idiot that wrote that article should at least go to some of the more aggressive places for femcels and see what is said.

reddut_gang · 2021-10-19T19:35:20+00:00

damn. how much do they pay these retards to write articles?

Historical_Draw_9923 · 2021-10-19T23:26:29+00:00

I like the part about the femcel wanting to use male prostitutes:

"Like Jane, Mary has little interest in casual flings, but misses physical intimacy. She has even considered using escorts."

danielnogo · 2021-10-20T02:29:28+00:00

Lol, what's funny is that she claims she can't have sex, but then contradicts herself by saying she just doesnt like casual sex. Basically: she can't get sex with the men she wants to get sex with, only men that look similar to her will go for her, and as a women, she feels entitled to a good looking man.

I think incels have a huge amount wrong with their worldview, but the one thing they get right is the stunning lack of self awareness in many women.

sgt_oddball_17 · 2021-10-18T23:42:27+00:00

It's not "Female Incel" . . . it's "Inspin" . . . meaning Involuntary spinster . . .

Dunkolunko · 2021-10-19T08:35:12+00:00

There is no such thing as a femcel. There is scarcely a woman alive who couldn't have a different, at least decent looking, male partner 365 days a year if they wanted. "Femcels" are just women who can't maintain a happy relationship or are somewhat dissatisfied with their dating or sex life. It's not even remotely close to what incels experience. Not a hundredth.

OctaviaPinfold · 2021-10-19T03:36:38+00:00

The entire concept of involuntary celibacy is based on the idea that people owe you sex. No they fucking don't. But of course feminists' entitlement is stronger than common sense and instead of being universally looked down on by everybody as they do with male incels, they want to be celebrated for their "struggles" and literally control how men think so they can get "what they're owed".

MRA-Sid · 2021-10-19T08:21:05+00:00

Gynocentric and gender biased misandrist system is responsible for this. They should stop blaming men for everything. No intelligent man would take risk by engaging with a feminist woman. She will most probably initiate divorce and snatch everything from him to prove her useless points.

Prometheum_Range · 2021-10-19T08:24:02+00:00

The Guardian is a lefty rag in the UK. Their opinion page is full of the most ridiculous nonsense.

soczewka · 2021-10-19T08:21:30+00:00

Single mothers and incels are two side of the same coin called hypergamy.

Banake · 2021-10-20T00:20:50+00:00

Part of me honestly wants to post this article at inceltears.

RavenWiggles · 2021-10-20T18:09:27+00:00

Male or female no one owes you sex or intimacy.

DocRocksPhDont · 2021-10-19T02:19:20+00:00

Google.it. new america.org red pill to black pill describes it really well. It came from the matrix. They go from blue (who incels call normies), to red ( incels superior to normies who realized the truth that sexually men are at the whims of women's power, and are men who go their own way), to black pill (change at a societal level is needed to put women in their place and elevate men because right now women are in control). This is how they are defined in incel communities

deusdeorum · 2021-10-19T17:57:15+00:00

I think it's been well established that the guardian is garbage and an embarrassment to journalism.

Please change your link to an archive to avoid sending traffic to their website.

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