Hypocrisy level: over 9000

rogerwatersbitch · 2014-04-01T13:39:28+00:00

Just to make sure I understand, if a man pokes holes in his condom to make a woman pregnant, he could be charged with sexual assault, but if a woman does the same, she gets a check in the mail every month for 18 years?

2_Blue_Shoes · 2014-04-01T11:52:45+00:00

So if being on birth control is my condition for consent, I can claim rape/assault if I find out she lied about it afterwards?

Hah, who am I kididng, A man's consent is set in stone the moment he's ~~inside her~~ erect.

PierceHarlan · 2014-04-01T11:58:03+00:00

It is almost certain that this double standard never occurred to these folks -- a symptom of a culture that assumes men are always willing to have sex under any conditions, even when there is fraud in the inducement.

MechPlasma · 2014-04-01T13:18:38+00:00

It's a big problem I have with Canada's consent law, actually. It really does say that consent obtained through fraud is invalid, but it doesn't specify what is considered fraud. Which gives the courts the ability to just make up rules themselves, even retroactively like in this case. I mean, I do think that poking holes in condoms should be illegal as long as it's provable, but this is absolutely not how the law is supposed to work.

To give you an example: it's illegal in Canada to have sex when you have HIV and not disclose it, but only if you're not wearing a condom. There is no actual law to that effect, but it's still illegal. Because the courts said that the definition of fraud includes have sex when you have HIV and not disclose it, but only if you're not wearing a condom. I think you can see why it's a problem.

saint2e · 2014-04-01T15:07:09+00:00

In the same article, no less. Fantastic.

hrda · 2014-04-01T17:49:06+00:00

I wonder how the AMR bigots will attempt to justify this hypocrisy when they link to this post and make fun of male victims of reproductive coercion by mockingly calling it "spermjacking", like they always do.

c0mputar · 2014-04-01T11:06:53+00:00

If the court wants to elevate pregnancy to the level of an assault, then at least we can take comfort that, for now, Indian-level of insanity won't end up with men going to jail because they lied about things in order to have sex.

Perhaps, Townsend needs to reframe his legal argument more along the lines of fraud or something. However, you risk opening up a can of worms if deception, that doesn't necessarily aim to create a pregnancy, in order to have sex or have kids can merit criminal charges.

GonanTheTesterian · 2014-04-01T16:24:11+00:00

man Ottawa ends up here a lot. U of O just had a seminar called "whats equality got to do with it" but it was completely disrupted and finally canceled on account of pulled fire alarm by the student marxist group and the feminists.

anon445 · 2014-04-01T18:51:10+00:00

But, if she got an abortion, which are generally risk-free in today's age, she's only undergoing a "financial deprivation." So, it shouldn't be rape?

I agree with him being sentenced, but I really don't see what sort of cognitive dissonance exists in the minds of these old fogeys who don't see the double standard they are establishing in literally one "sentence."

Watermelon_Salesman · 2014-04-01T14:39:02+00:00

It's all so ingrained in our minds... I took quite a while to notice the hypocrisy.

edtastic · 2014-04-01T16:29:02+00:00

It would not have been against journalistic ethics to point out the clear double standard being advanced.

rawbface · 2014-04-01T14:18:59+00:00

I'm all for making laws against both poking holes in condoms, and birth control deception. However, when it comes down to it, how can you possibly enforce either?

Lazarus_Pits · 2014-04-01T16:04:19+00:00

Of you're poking holes in a condom to purposely get someone pregnant, then there is something wrong with you.

But this is ridiculous of it extends to other situations

Goat-headed-boy · 2014-04-01T18:22:14+00:00

The decision noted that not every sexual deception should be criminalized, and that to be fraud - which negates consent - the lie has to carry a risk of harm.

Sounds like a false rape claim may fit the bill 'equally'.

McBeefsteakz · 2014-04-01T18:55:19+00:00

Welcome to the exact reason I pay child support in nova Scotia.

charliebeanz · 2014-04-01T18:20:10+00:00

I feel like there should be a new word invented for getting someone pregnant when they don't want to be pregnant, even though they consent to the sex. 'Rape' just doesn't seem fitting to me.

ramsho · 2014-04-01T18:55:48+00:00

"Over 9000" needs to die in a pit of fire. God, screw that phrase.

pennycenturie · 2014-04-01T19:28:18+00:00

hypocrisy in the way the passing of the bill is being spoken about, yes, but overall, a great move. the law is the law.

but really, L2 journalism. if a man is baby crazy, he can swing by my place in a few years. i'll be jumping out of my skin to race my biological clock. i am... unlucky with relationships.

KngpinOfColonProduce · 2014-04-01T21:20:58+00:00

I need to make a comment about this condom situation, it being seen as something the man has control over and the woman doesn't.

I am a receptive bisexual man, and I can tell you it is definitely not my male partner's choice alone to use condoms. Sometimes men ask to not use a condom for anal, and I just say no. I insist on a condom every time.

Indeed, I always supply my own condoms to protect from tampering, since I'm more at risk for an STI. Admittedly, who needs the condom more is more complicated in a straight couple, because you both suffer potential abuse by reproductive deception.

Le4chanFTW · 2014-04-02T04:07:03+00:00

The way they talk about this makes it sound as if sexual consent is some sort of conditional gift for people and a currency you can retroactively take back from someone at any given moment.

Title	Hypocrisy level: over 9000
Author	Toava
Upvotes	323
Comments	100
Date	April 1, 2014 10:32 AM UTC (12 years ago)
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