[META] PLEASE make sure you're post is actually about MRA related issues, not just how a man was wronged by a woman

xXCptCoolXx · 2013-08-06T03:47:15+00:00

This sort of advice pops up here every once in awhile and the general consensus is that the sorts of posts you describe are related to men's rights issues, demonstrate some of these issues in real life, or work to open the eyes of people. For example, the article of the woman getting a fine you describe may be demonstrating how woman typically face reduced sentences for crimes or it could be a double standard. It depends on the specific story/post but most of the time they do serve a purpose.

Also, some people come to this sub with the belief that women are perfect and never do things like make false rape accusations or engage in domestic abuse. By having these stories it shows the "male side" to this issues that people generally only hear about affecting women. I don't see it so much as "blaming" the other gender but rather highlighting the fact that both men and women can do really shitty things and we do more harm than good by pretending these issues are gendered.

LocalMadman · 2013-08-06T12:47:05+00:00

Must be a troll brigade with this many upvotes. I don't see /u/catsnstuff97 on the mod list, go fuck yourself OP. You're not the boss of me or this sub.

Reported for being irrelevant.

CaptSnap · 2013-08-06T04:00:29+00:00

I thought we were supposed to downvote stupid shit instead of making posts highlighting it?

ThePigman · 2013-08-06T11:46:08+00:00

Thanks for the concern, now get stuffed.

Really, posts like this are insulting and ignorant. First, women are viewed as morally superior so every time people are presented with an event that says otherwise the facade is weakened. Second, women get away with lesser punishments far more often than men. This is something shown in the same research showing that whites get lesser punishment than blacks.

PS

Did i mention you should get stuffed?

Mitschu · 2013-08-06T07:25:21+00:00

This post is not Men's Rights related, and thus should be removed and instead posted to one of our brother subs, such as /r/MensRightsMeta.

And yet, this is on the front page.

Checkmate.

I mean, if we're still following the same conversation-blockade rules that led to the creation of MensRightsMemes, MensRants, and in fact, MensRightsMeta.

Or we could just create a new /r/ MensRightsComplainingAboutThingsThatAren'tNecessarilyBasedOnTheFeministTheoryofPower+Privilege=GenderBased DiscriminationAndMayInFactBeSimplyGenericDiscriminationWhichGoesBothWaysAndAdmittedlyDisproportionately AffectsMenButIsNotTargettedAgainstMenAsAGenderJustAsADemographicIdentifiedByTheirGenderWhichIsn'tSexismBut ThePatriarchyBackfiring to sate our critics and further curtail our members' speech.

I mean, later on you complain about how things the community upvotes as relevant are not relevant to the community, and plea for members to thusly exercise the same judgement you do when upvoting content that might be relevant to the community.

Vandredd · 2013-08-06T11:16:31+00:00

Concern troll elsewhere. You would already be banned from feminist subs

ghebert001 · 2013-08-06T09:44:50+00:00

Something stupid like a woman steps on your toes I would say has no place in /r/mr but it shouldn't be just about family courts and other legal issues...discussing social issues has a place in /r/mr as well.

LAMFF · 2013-08-06T10:44:44+00:00

I would like to see FB posts banned, that would alleviate around 347% of the fluff around here.

2013-08-06T11:06:03+00:00

(blaming EVERYTHING on the opposite gender, overreacting, ect)

This is something I keep hearing people complain about. Most posts I see blame everything on Feminists. Feminism tends to generalize women as victims and so we use the term women in response. This is NOT the same as blaming all women for an issue.

nigglereddit · 2013-08-06T12:12:13+00:00

If we censor our own content - or let you decide when and how we should - then we'll be a hell of a lot closer to being SRS than if we just ignore you (which we will).

IAMULTRAHARDCORE · 2013-08-06T05:34:08+00:00

"Women behaving badly" threads are relevant to many of the points the MRM tries to make. It can be used to highlight double standards in law enforcement, court, societal attitudes, etc. They are as relevant as anyone's story of how they became an MRA or found this sub or what have you. Not every single post will be about direct activism. Sometimes we just like to share news about guys who got screwed and get riled up about how unjust it was.

As a side note if you think you've been mistreated by others in the comments please understand that this sub is often raided by "concern trolls" who want us to moderate our tone and message and essentially want us to "shut the fuck up". A lot of us tend to be sensitive to that type of thing so genuine concern can often be misconstrued as trolling. Try not to take it too hard.

2013-08-06T07:37:16+00:00

Ways in which men are wronged by women are frequently symptomatic of social and legal mechanisms that make it possible.

rightsbot · 2013-08-06T03:14:18+00:00

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ClaudeKenni · 2013-08-06T07:34:54+00:00

The first point I would contend is that these posts you talk about in any way blame the opposite gender for these issues. It's not the fault of women, in general, that women get let off in courts, lighter sentencing, and generally have a bunch of privileges in society. Now the fault can certainly be with specific women, but pointing out that there are shitty people in society, while not expicitly MR without context, also isn't quite SRS territory.

The important distinction is, in my opinion, whether it is just a person being an idiot, or whether there are social consequences to whatever case or situation are posted. "A woman hit me, women are bad" isn't acceptable for this reason, but "A women hit me, passers-by laughed at the situation, and when I defended myself I got arrested" is a social problem with the perception of violence against men, the immunity women get frequently when violent, while men are at default blamed for the situation.

2013-08-06T12:29:33+00:00

The fact that women are allowed to commit crimes against men with little to no punishment IS a men's rights issue and one that will only be solved by shedding light on the problem.

Vordreller · 2013-08-06T10:14:25+00:00

"your", not "you're"

http://imgur.com/OabHj

Offensive_Brute · 2013-08-06T11:38:48+00:00

When a man is wronged by a woman, it is usually an MR issue, if not because the wrong done, but because of the media and societies attitude regarding the wrong done.

This is the opposite of what i was complaining about a couple of weeks back, whevere everyone is constantly asking what everything has to do with MR.

Letslimit our content to a very finite content definition, so that the discussion slows to a crawl and dies a slow death by circlejerking over explicitly MR related content. /r/Mensrights would basically become a collection of links to AVFM articles if these peoplehave their way.

Planner_Hammish · 2013-08-06T03:43:50+00:00

I second this motion.

Jizzanthapuss · 2013-08-06T12:12:37+00:00

It's nice to see posts like this, it gives me hope. Mensrights has gone severely downhill in the past few months.

snstrsnctyslckr · 2013-08-06T12:35:32+00:00

I find this sub way more pre-occupied with western men's rights, and less so about the rights of men in the developing world.

theskepticalidealist · 2013-08-06T13:03:15+00:00

Oh look another concern troll.

hugged_at_gunpoint · 2013-08-06T13:13:21+00:00

OP, I think you used a poor example, because a woman committing a crime and receiving a lesser punishment for being a woman definitely needs to be brought to awareness.

doomsought · 2013-08-06T13:54:14+00:00

I've been noticing some post, that while sarcastically amusing, are better suited for r/Tumblerinaction and detract from the intellectual level of the conversation

westhau · 2013-08-06T03:54:26+00:00

I agree with your premise. This sub tends to be a bit of a circlejerk. We find evidence over and over that is the same stuff, and we just roll our eyes and go "not this again". It's not really a place for discussion because there's not much to be had.

I think your example is a poor one, though. Prison time is one of the largest areas of discrepancies in men's rights.

What I think would improve this sub is if we'd be able to have genuine good discourse on topics like this. The problem is it's way too one-sided, and anyone who comes in here to speak against anything said here is really unwilling to listen, as we probably are unwilling to listen to them.

I don't really have a suggestion on how to fix the problem. I really wish I did.

catsnstuff97 · 2013-08-06T05:18:26+00:00

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AeneaLamia · 2013-08-06T04:55:47+00:00

Your post is without formatting.

It does not site sources, yet it it concise in examples.

Please try to be more specific.

deadalnix · 2013-08-06T03:47:29+00:00

I have to second that. Unless the event reach some major media coverage, it shouldn't be posted here.

You can't generalize based on specific cases. Thoses only reinforce preconception, especially with filter bubble : feminists will read a lot of event where men screwed women, which reinforce hatred against men, and vice versa.

This attitude do not lead to any positive outcome.

wolfie1010 · 2013-08-06T04:00:27+00:00

I agree with the sentiment but not your example

toysjoe · 2013-08-06T11:47:18+00:00

[META] Please make sure you're using the right you're/your.

Zosimasie · 2013-08-06T08:52:55+00:00

Shut the fuck up. You're not a mod. Stop trying to talk all high and mighty like you fucking created this place.

hajamieli · 2013-08-06T09:59:24+00:00

Yeah, it's similar to /r/atheism, maybe we should consider having a parallel subreddit for the actual issues, which seems to be the popular solution elsewhere?

WhatIsTheWorldComing · 2013-08-06T08:26:45+00:00

"The personal is political"

sillymod · 2013-08-06T14:40:50+00:00

This is a meta issue.

Title	[META] PLEASE make sure you're post is actually about MRA related issues, not just how a man was wronged by a woman
Author	catsnstuff97
Upvotes	312
Comments	103
Date	August 6, 2013 3:13 AM UTC (13 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1jsczr/meta_please_make_sure_youre_post_is_actually/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/meta-please-make-sure-youre-post-is-actually-about.1167098 https://theredarchive.com/post/1167098

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