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JohnScott623 · 2017-01-02T04:11:18+00:00

Sign guys

Have you even signed the petition yourself?

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Government responded

The Sexual Offences Act 2003 protects both men and women from serious sexual offending. We are committed to tackling sexual offending in all its forms.

MenandBoysareGood · 2017-01-02T05:14:30+00:00

So the government responded....

The Sexual Offences Act 2003 protects both men and women from serious sexual offending. We are committed to tackling sexual offending in all its forms. All non-consensual sexual penetration is dealt with by specific serious offences, including those that can be committed by a man or a woman. For example, the offence of assault by penetration carries the same maximum penalty as rape.

I don't understand why if "assault by penetration" carries the same maximum penalty as "rape" then WHY make a distinction? Why have a whole separate branch of the law allocated solely to a gendered form of the assault.

For instance, Dictionary.com defines "rape" as:

unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the victim.

AtemAndrew · 2017-01-02T06:34:55+00:00

While the e-petition has been shut down, I will respond as below.

legislation.gov.uk defines rape as

"A person (A) commits an offence if— (a)he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis, "

Specifically using male as the offender, in addition to requiring penetration, not envelopment. At most, it says that sexual ASSAULT is illegal, assuming that a party doesn't consent to being touched sexually. However, it still uses male pronounces.

" person (A) commits an offence if—

(a)he intentionally touches another person (B),

(b)the touching is sexual,

(c)B does not consent to the touching, and

(d)A does not reasonably believe that B consents."

Now, to deal with what was said by the government on the website. "All non-consensual sexual penetration is dealt with by specific serious offences, including those that can be committed by a man or a woman. "

The offence of PENETRATION is what is defined as rape, and penetration alone.

"It is true that “rape” under Section 1 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003 is, in the majority of cases, committed by a man, but there are some rare exceptions for example, when a woman is actively involved in the commission of a gang rape."

Meaning that they believe that rapes are primarily men (haven't looked into specific statistics, though the fact that the majority of reported cases aren't taken seriously, and most cases go unreported or, in some countries, are actually PUNISHED) proves where their position lies. They don't specify how the woman might be involved in a gang rape, aside from being complicit, but I presume they also mean penetration. In addition, they also acknowledge that female rape cases by envelopment MAY happen, but are apparently SO STATISTICALLY SMALL IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE IT ILLEGAL. This is NOT how the law works.

"We therefore have no plans to amend the legal definition of rape in the Sexual Offences Act 2003 as suggested by this e-petition."

Meaning that, no matter what the outcome of the petition, they WILL NOT amend the legal definition to include envelopment.

contractor808 · 2017-01-02T08:04:46+00:00

Wrong URL: link to currently open petition

Alkaline_B3n0 · 2017-01-02T09:19:53+00:00

Is "stop" their safe word in these scenarios?

double-happiness · 2017-01-02T12:03:07+00:00

There seems to be a bit of confusion in this thread about the Sexual Offences Act 2003. Here are the pertinent clauses for us:

1 Rape

(1)A person (A) commits an offence if—

(a)he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis

[...]

(4)A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable, on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for life.

vs.

4 Causing a person to engage in sexual activity without consent

(1)A person (A) commits an offence if—

(a) he intentionally causes another person (B) to engage in an activity

[...]

(4) A person guilty of an offence under this section, if the activity caused involved—

[...]

(c)penetration of a person’s anus or vagina with a part of B’s body or by B with anything else

is liable, on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for life

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/part/1

...so as far as I understand it, the maximum sentence is the same, but rape by envelopment is still not termed 'rape', it's just 'sexual activity without consent'.

(Edit: AFAIK 'he' actually means 'he/she' in practice; it's just a legal usage.)

AssAssIn46 · 2017-01-02T03:41:00+00:00

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The petition is closed. Funny that, petition supporting men's rights generally don't seem to get much support anyway. Make me lose faith in humanity, I don't know why this would be anything but good, trying to make this seem bad or not needed is just doing mental gymnastics to justify your beliefs but for the sake of discussion, if anyone has any objections to it please do go ahead, though obviously I doubt it because it's the Men's Rights subbreddit

BearsBeatzBattlestar · 2017-01-02T08:06:38+00:00

Ah.. Just gotta grow out my blonde hair and shave my beard.

Fuck yea

Crisis99 · 2017-01-02T16:10:52+00:00

I thought they were both men

dominotw · 2017-01-02T17:03:46+00:00

whats that purple thing bleeding out of his eye in second pic ?

j1mmy91 · 2017-01-02T21:34:23+00:00

They had little regard for people's gender neutral pronouns would have been better in the statistics, artificially inflating the ratio of female rapists.

RadioUnfriendly · 2017-01-02T16:32:46+00:00

The biggest rape-related problem in the UK is Muslims.

JollyGreen615 · 2017-01-02T13:27:26+00:00

Unless she's a fat ass or ugly as shit I think I'd be cool with it

BeckaMegan · 2017-01-02T15:07:31+00:00

lol. hes crying tears of happiness on the right.

friendlessboob · 2017-01-02T17:02:24+00:00

Why is the woman paler than the man? Why is it always about light skinned women?

redditarmyxxx · 2017-01-02T13:28:41+00:00

Can I replace a man who doesn't want to be raped I want to be raped always has been gay way someone's not abused and I'm happy

Title	Sign guys
Author	dasikmunky
Upvotes	3835
Comments	88
Date	January 2, 2017 3:10 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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