This is wrong

Rolten · 2014-08-10T17:59:24+00:00

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slideforlife · 2014-08-10T18:06:30+00:00

looks like they are getting ready to get started happily raping each other

McFeely_Smackup · 2014-08-10T21:35:29+00:00

The fun part is a woman could get drunk, steal a car, run down a pedestrian while driving drunk, go to a mans house and have sex...and she's committed 3 felonies and been the victim of rape.

Women are 100% responsible for what they do while drunk, except for sex. the rules flip 180 degrees when the panties come off

Loki5456 · 2014-08-10T20:16:30+00:00

That's why I always cover my bases and report it as rape before she can.

myschadenfreude · 2014-08-10T21:33:25+00:00

Sorry I ran over that family, but I was drunk so it's their fault for being on the sidewalk at 02:30.

zau64 · 2014-08-11T02:51:19+00:00

What is this garbage? This is an obvious karma whoring attempt or someone who just enjoys stirring shit.

This is adding nothing new to a very well established idea of this subreddit, not an article about a recent occurrence of this bias, or even a stupid facebook post of this opinion.

What is even worse is people upvoted this. This is discrediting our view by devolving into a circlejerk.

emtisi_orex · 2014-08-11T08:28:52+00:00

Generally speaking it's the first one to cry "rape" that is considered the victim. Safest bet is to be the first one at the police station after a night out. They can't accuse you of rape if you're already accusing them.

Richisnormal · 2014-08-10T18:08:58+00:00

Did you make this to make a point? Or was it posted, with no sarcasm intended, somewhere else?

TerribleEverything · 2014-08-11T16:04:41+00:00

If a man or woman would consent to sex when sober, then there isn't a problem.

The problem is some people exploit and manipulate people who are so drunk they make choices they wouldn't otherwise, and that's not okay.

The more you guys focus on this strawman, the more you sound like rape-apologists. Why, sure, go ahead and have sex with all the blackout drunk people you want, but there are--and should be--consequences for that.

boy45 · 2014-08-10T21:57:53+00:00

Under no legal definition anywhere on this planet is this scenario considered rape.

questionnmark · 2014-08-11T00:14:56+00:00

A lot more women take medication that interacts with alcohol than men. This medication in my experience with seeing people under the dual influence of drugs + alcohol can cause them to suddenly 'crash', or to be affected by the alcohol in an unpredictable way (sometimes more or less effect from the drinking). I don't think for instance that men should be held responsible for judging effects which for them can be unknowable at the time of sex.

MC_Cuff_Lnx · 2014-08-11T01:35:44+00:00

Not necessarily the case.

EDIT: It's rape when the 'perpetrator' knows the victim cannot meaningfully consent. The element of mens rea seems to be essential.

Of course, maybe I just don't know what I'm talking about. I guess the other 95,710 people on the sub could just be lawyers.

BrahCJ · 2014-08-10T16:16:40+00:00

Just to be a little bit of a devil's advocate here. As you can see she's quite thin so she's probably getting quite a bit more drunk than he is. She's childishly irrational so she probably isn't the best at understanding and making decisions and owning up to them while sober so drinking only exacerbates her problems. The man is probably not that drunk and far more rational to begin with and as such is, even while drunk, capable of inferring that this woman could never give informed consent in any state, but especially not while drunk. All of that considered he might be more responsible than her. Maybe it's rape when you think of it like that.

Title	This is wrong
Author	j3zuz00
Upvotes	512
Comments	113
Date	August 10, 2014 3:55 PM UTC (11 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/2d5jia/this_is_wrong/
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