Discussion: Using N-Count to Avoid ''Crazy''

exit_sandman · 2017-01-05T11:52:03+00:00

While what you say has its merits, you have to consider that your particular case - clearly noticeable psychological disorders - isn't the rule. "Crazy" doesn't necessarily mean "must be institutionalized for her own good" or "has to be on meds to function properly". It also doesn't mean that this person is immediately identifiable as such for an unknowing outsider, especially if she has learned how to downplay her own state. However, while literal crazies drop the act sooner (the otherwise normal-behaving sister of a friend told me within minutes of meeting her that she had an eating disorder and was just fresh out of therapy) or later (it took me quite a few years to figure out that the mother of a friend wasn't just merely a real shrew, but a literal narcissistic egomaniac psychopath).

No, what the term "crazies" is about are those women who are less emotionally stable (might occasionally have something to do with that time of the month), have regular mood swings, make irrational decisions on a whim, are prone to have outburst without any actual reason (think of the story of Ephraim Kishon's wife who gives him the silent treatment because she had a nightmare of him cheering on while she was executed), are fleeting with their affection etc. ... you get the idea. Bonus points if she has some traumatic experience (or imagines she has). And of course all those traits are likely to go hand in hand with a high n-count. All these women may behave pretty normal, typically female actually, they just are more annoying/capricious/exhausting to deal with and so on.

Also, I've noticed a trend of people who seem to exhibit signs of depression etc on PPD saying that they would never date someone who was ''mentally ill''. This strikes me as a little bit strange, so if you're one of those people, please explain. Why are other depressed people off limits?

Tbh I don't think two depressed people would make a good match.

Aaren_Augustine · 2017-01-05T12:03:29+00:00

I had an ex-fiancé pull a gun on me when I found out she had cheated. Followed by me putting a restraining order on her – suggested by a friend of the family, who told me I had to file or she would put a restraining order on me. And I beat her to the punch; as she was about to turn it into a “he said she said” account.

So at that point, I try to become aware of patterns of behavior that lead to such ends. N-Count is one of them. Mental Illness is one of them. Being a party girl is one of them. Etc.

But take it from a positive view too. I want a full human experience. Rollo's words.

I want to do whatever in bed and not hear I've done that and I'm not doing that anymore. I want to reach my goals and avoid as many obvious barriers as possible.

I want to experience the twists and turns of life and a crazy chick is going to kill that ability to do so. She's going to take more than she adds to my life.

ppdthrowawai · 2017-01-05T13:22:37+00:00

I'll take a more medical definition here.

N-count is a risk factor. A risk factor is a trait that by itself is not necessarily a problem for your health but contributes a percentage chance of having a problem. Obesity is an example of a risk factor. Alone it won't cause diabetes, heart disease, or joint problems. But combine it with a poor diet, lack of exercise, and genetic predisposition and you have a very unhealthy person.

As I posted elsewhere, N count is highly suggestive of novelty seeking, risk taking behavior, predisposition to addiction, potentially incompatible morals, on top of risk for STDs and higher chances of mental instability.

N count doesn't exist in a vacuum. Your brain doesn't work like that. Instead it's a part of thousands of tiny calculations in your brain when you're evaluating someone. Your brain then assigns overall value to a scenario that gives you that "gut" feeling. All of a sudden, little weird details about her personality start making sense that add to your wariness.

N-count and being a single mom are like the risk factor equivalents of smoking and obesity.

FatherSigma · 2017-01-05T11:49:08+00:00

There is good crazy and bad crazy. Bad crazy is people who use their diagnosed condition as a constant excuse to behave like an asshole and often has a very manipulative way of doing things.

Good Crazy Is the girl who has a lot of crazy ideas and energy, who fucks you 3 times a day if needed but is never dishonest and takes responsibility for her actions.

wtknight · 2017-01-05T13:28:10+00:00

I'm guessing that these posters are saying that they are using n-count to determine whether the woman you're dating or having casual sex with is eventually going to flip out on you, as opposed to determining whether she is presently mentally ill. They aren't using the word "crazy" in its technical sense.

Sarkorien · 2017-01-05T16:01:18+00:00

To sum it up real quick, IMO high n-count is scary for a lot of guys, and this (wanting a virgin, etc) is the special RP (although seen in other masculine cultures) hamster reasoning chosen to deal with that fear.

IamTheWalkingMenu · 2017-01-05T13:23:50+00:00

I'm confused. You've said in this that you yourself are "mentally ill" you've also said that you have a high N count and worked as an escort.

No offense but since you say you have both of those features why wouldn't a man use those things to screen you out? What am I missing?

GroovyEFS · 2017-01-05T11:58:07+00:00

Agreed with you 100%. It is much easier to just directly look for symptoms of "crazy" than it is to try and gauge it by n-count.

The thing is, terps don't care, because they use this as rationalisation for their emotional bias against slutty women. It's a classic case of feels first, make up the logic later.

ContrarianZ · 2017-01-05T11:06:19+00:00

I think the type of "Crazy" guys are more concerned about is the emotionally unstable, manipulative, unpredictable type crazy that manifests as a result of too many unstable relationships / ONS.

Most people probably aren't too thrilled with the ADD type crazy either, but I doubt it has any correlation to n-count.

prodigy2throw · 2017-01-05T14:33:55+00:00

Sociopaths are not easy to spot

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verdantsound · 2017-01-05T15:13:26+00:00

Crazy also means "tons of baggage" not necessarily just mood disorders

rpquestion7 · 2017-01-05T17:12:12+00:00

I don't get it, you don't disagree with posters that say there is a correlation between certain personality problems and high n-counts. However, simultaneously you claim that there are other ways to tell and conclude that n-count is therefore an ineffective metric.

If it is an effective heuristic, why not use it as one of your metrics?

brewmastermonk · 2017-01-05T19:13:26+00:00

Ive been diagnosed with persistent depressive disorder. I dont date. It sucks but its probably for the better. Its hard enough to deal with myself. Another crazy person would be too much for me to handle. And i dont expect someone not crazy to date me.

sunkindonut149 · 2017-01-05T19:42:21+00:00

By "crazy", they don't mean actual diagnoseable mental conditions or people with these.

They are talking about neurotypical / NT passing women with nasty attitudes.

washington_breadstix · 2017-01-05T20:20:19+00:00

In my experience, "crazy" doesn't refer to diagnosed mental illnesses. It just refers to the type of attractive young woman who has been sought after and spoiled by tons of men throughout her life (giving her a high n-count), and as a result has never been told "no." She lashes out when she doesn't get what she wants because she's never had to deal with any degree of rejection before. She's literally having the emotional reactions that most of us got out of our systems when we were young children. Life never forced her to mature.

Of course, the situation must be evaluated on a case-by-case basis. Many people develop mental illnesses solely due to the way they are treated by others, like the hot women who end up with borderline personality disorder because of the way they've been pumped and dumped and now fear abandonment.

Christian_Kong · 2017-01-05T21:21:27+00:00

Do you think there's a reason why you're unable to pick up on people's ''crazy''?

Seen this 1000x and done it myself in my younger days. I would say on average people have a public persona, very few people are what you see is what you get in public. So one day an attractive girl/guy, be it someone somebody just met or someone somebody knows at a friendship/acquaintance level starts showing interest. You hook up/set up dates/etc. Only once you are at a different level and get to seem them past their public persona you eventually get to know the real them. They feel more comfortable with that person and put the persona down. Then you see the crazy, relationship over, repeat x amount of times. I know dudes in relationships where the gf(not targeting women here) keeps up the public persona, seems fucking awesome and in private I find out that she is a terrible person for one reason or another. Your a and b points aren't something that I feel is often the case, but you may just have better intuition than myself and others.

So going back to the main topic. C(razy) shows interest in a partner. C is attractive so getting partners is easy. C hooks up with a partner, partner finds out the real C's personality, partner dumps C. Wash and repeat until some low self esteem loser can put up with crazy for the long term.

ZombieWifeFoCo · 2017-01-06T00:10:16+00:00

I'm sorry, but if a man is using an N count to assess a woman's crazy level, that reeks of insecurity and mental instability to me.

thefisherman1964 · 2017-01-06T02:21:14+00:00

I have major depression and am being medicated for it. I understand it, and that's precisely why I don't mind dating/LTR'ing women who are depressed as long as they have it under control too.

blackheartblackmask · 2017-01-07T00:28:36+00:00

Crazy women fuck tons of dudes and crazy men don't get much sex. Unless he's ego maniacally crazy like Christian Grey.

Women aren't supposed to fuck tons of men because its a bad strategy with too many risks. Men are supposed to strive for virility and desirability and if they lack it they will go crazy.

Title	Discussion: Using N-Count to Avoid ''Crazy''
Author	lollygagyo
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Date	January 5, 2017 9:24 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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