Good nuanced representation of relationship dynamics in Literature, and Cinema

Acaciduh · 2024-06-04T23:04:59+00:00

Blue Valentine - it perfectly encapsulates the breakdown of a relationship imo.

apresonly · 2024-06-04T23:01:11+00:00

i think we should have a cinema club where we watch and discuss one movie with a prominent heterosexual relationship each week.

movies i would like to discuss:

Challengers 😈

dead poet's society and the prison of masculinity/capitalism

Paul Giamatti and Da'Vine in The Holdovers as loners from the 60s (forgot exactly what year its set, obviously they're not a couple but are interesting to talk about gender wise)

Dune 2 and the Paul/Chani/florence pugh love triangle?

jazzmaster1992 · 2024-06-04T23:07:49+00:00

(500) Days of Summer hit super hard on a first watch. Not because it's about a good relationship obviously, but exactly because it rips the curtain right off of ideals about love and the hopeless romantic trope. I saw so much of myself in Tom, and it felt like a huge wakeup call to the dangers of over romanticizing anyone too early, especially if they've shown signs they aren't the right one for you.

Midsommar is a great allegory for how toxic and destructive codependent relationships can be. And in the case of either Midsommar or 500 Days, many people do this thing where they pick a "hero" and a "villain", but I feel the true meaning of either in seeing exactly why bad relationship dynamics should be avoided, even though there is this intoxicating notion that the best ones are exciting and filled with drama.

MistyMaisel · 2024-06-05T00:45:15+00:00

Normal People

Anything Jane Austen has done or been done based on Jane Austen.

Little Women: any of them.

Looking For Alaska

Honestly, the Barbie Movie. (I think most people misunderstood it).

thisaccountaintrea1 · 2024-06-04T23:28:35+00:00

Some I like:

5 Centimeters per Second
Past Lives
The White Lotus (both seasons)
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
The Before trilogy

f_lachowski · 2024-06-05T04:25:12+00:00

Whatever by Michael Houellebecq, if only for this one quote:

“It's a fact...that in societies like ours sex truly represents a second system of differentiation, completely independent of money; and as a system of differentiation it functions just as mercilessly. The effects of these two systems are, furthermore, strictly equivalent. Just like unrestrained economic liberalism, and for similar reasons, sexual liberalism produces phenomena of absolute pauperization . Some men make love every day; others five or six times in their life, or never. Some make love with dozens of women; others with none. It's what's known as 'the law of the market'...Economic liberalism is an extension of the domain of the struggle, its extension to all ages and all classes of society. Sexual liberalism is likewise an extension of the domain of the struggle, its extension to all ages and all classes of society.”

superlurkage · 2024-06-04T23:48:41+00:00

Good relationships = no drama

No drama = boring

Having said that, Morticia and Gomez Addams, Marge and Norm (Fargo), Carl and Ellie (Up), the parents in Spy kids are healthy

And Annie hall for relationships that don’t work out

bluestjuice · 2024-06-05T03:07:50+00:00

Nothing is jumping out of my head, but I have to say that I would be incredibly stoked to have literature, film, and stage analysis and discussion through the PPD lens pop up regularly on this sub. Studying relationship dynamics in media is often interesting and would be an amazing change of pace.

[edit to remove double use of the word ‘regular’ in the same sentence since I can’t words when I’m tired.]

throwaway039474839 · 2024-06-04T23:14:32+00:00

Leon the Professional.

-Shes-A-Carnival · 2024-06-04T23:54:15+00:00

the ken russell film, "crimes of passion", while bizarre, has THE greatest depiction of a failing MRP style marriage ever put to film

Lift_and_Lurk · 2024-06-05T00:10:23+00:00

This is the perfect artistic representation of true love and not a single word is spoken.

https://youtu.be/XO77YuyMOek?si=_v0bed_tKUc_13ev

AngeCruelle · 2024-06-05T03:04:40+00:00

Walking in to Top Gun Maverick I did not expect to enjoy the romantic subplot as much as I did. The "romance" in the first movie was hot garbage. In keeping with the sequel's overall theme of acknowledging that first movie Maverick was a reckless tool Penny is understandably wary and not taking him seriously when he comes back. She also has her own life, hobbies, and a strong personality. It isn't until he shows signs that he's matured and learned humility that she gives him another chance.

jay10033 · 2024-06-04T23:11:25+00:00

Saw and Saw 2

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edgyny · 2024-06-05T01:03:21+00:00

I thought Ruby in Paradise was pretty interesting. Also A History of Violence.

cinnamongirl444 · 2024-06-05T01:39:49+00:00

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, Possession (1981), Magnolia, Mulholland Drive (the last two go kind of off the rails and aren’t entirely centered on relationships, but it’s a major theme that’s approached in a way I really enjoyed)

gopher_glitz · 2024-06-05T13:46:16+00:00

I think 'Reality Bites' captures that being promiscuous isn't about enjoying sex but a form of self harm. There's also a scene in Mr. Robot and even Friends (Ross's wedding and Monica seeks out Joey but settles for Chandler)

Dr_Click_Click_Boom · 2024-06-05T17:58:17+00:00

King of the Hill. It covers the whole gamut.

You have Hank and Peggy Hill. A strait laced everyday couple.

You have Boomhauer, a playboy.

You have Dale Gribble, a cuckold raising the biological son of John Redcorn.

And you have Bill Fontaine de la Tour Dauterive, a 40 something incel.

ExternalBarracuda292 · 2024-06-05T19:09:13+00:00

I'm going to out myself as an old dork here, but Kermit and Miss Piggy from the Muppets are one of my favourites.

It's a surprisingly complex and non-idealized take for its time. Kermit does not fall for Miss Piggy right away. They both have their own lives outside of each other and their goals and ambitions don't always align. They face a fair number of relationship struggles and neither of them is consistently the one at fault. And yet, for all of the challenges they face, there are plenty of sweet moments that make it clear that it's worth it. To me, this is basically what relationships are all about.

Straight_Skirt3800 · 2024-06-05T01:28:13+00:00

Eyes Wide Shut is a perfect relationship dynamic and it is my favorite Kubrick film.

I will add Beautiful Girls. Great ensemble cast.

superlurkage · 2024-06-04T23:19:44+00:00

Good relationships = no drama

No drama = boring

No_Mammoth8801 · 2024-06-04T23:45:30+00:00

Both cinema.

500 Days of Summer has been my favorite romcom after I saw it for the first time over a decade ago. I saw a lot of my immature self in Tom, especially how he idealizes and objectifies Summer, projecting his fantasies onto her, then getting upset when she fails to live up to them.

Marriage Story is also good as there are not really any "morally bad" characters, just a couple who become disgusted with themselves after the divorce process brings out the worst in them and opens up old wounds about how the relationship ended. They both know they can't be together, but they also know they have to mature and move past a lot of personal issues they have with each other if they want to be good coparents for their son.

his_purple_majesty · 2024-06-05T00:01:20+00:00

War and Peace

BrainMarshal · 2024-06-04T23:02:39+00:00

All relationship-based films are fucking trash. Especially Eyes Wide Shut, no one should ever base anything on such a scenario, least of all relationships.

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