"Last-minute resistance" is the idea that someone will seem to consent, then at the last minute, they'll have second thoughts, and perhaps even outright say "no." The idea of "pushing past" LMR is that one can be persuaded to consent.
Blue pillers bring this issue up quite a lot. They're offended by the very idea - like literally, it bothers them that there's even a name for this. In this comment, a blue piller links to a post in "married red pill" in which a woman says, "I don't feel like sex" and the male is advised to keep going (kissing his wife, in this case). The blue piller feels that's outright rape, even though the red piller continues, "if she says 'no, stop it' that's a hard no and of course you stop." In a thread yesterday, a blue piller expresses shock that, "any guy can go through life expecting to have to force their way through resistance."
I think those are fair examples of the blue pill position. (1) shock that this is a thing, and (2) belief that any response other than immediately halting is immoral at the very least (outright rape in the specific case linked above).
I'd like to suggest to you blue pillers that you please consider the following: when you read words describing a human interaction, you imagine the worst-possible scenario. What you imagine is way out of proportion to what TRPers intend.
And here's how I'd like to demonstrate it: I'm going to link you to a 10-minute training video. The video demonstrates how to "push past last-minute resistance." But first, I'm going to accurately describe what happens in the video. I predict that you will find my text description distasteful. But when you watch the video, and you're able to actually see the demeanor, expressions, and other nonverbal cues that the man and woman exchange, I predict that you'll be okay with what you see.
Sound like fun? Okay here we go.
The video opens with what all good pickup artists call, "demonstrating value." At 0:25 you'll notice the casual touch of the arm; "kino" they call that. There are jokes. There's laughing and good eye contact. At the start of the video, everyone consents and is having a good time.
At 4:15 we come to the "close" but you'll notice, the smiles stop (or at least, cease to be genuine) and the response is hesitation: "I need to think about this." And at 4:32, "I really like but ...you know" and some negative body language, like head shaking <--- this is last-minute resistance.
But watch what happens next - there's an immediate repeat of the kino (touching the arm). There's even what PUAs call a "compliance test" at 4:40, "I want your wrist" (and as an aside, how creepy does that sound, right? Not "may I see your hand" but "I want your wrist")
At 6:00 there's another attempt to close. This time, at 6:22, there's an unambiguous "no." Notice how she steps away at 6:40. The video isn't over though!
They change the subject for a while. He admits he has a girlfriend (yeah really). She talks about his clothes. This is what PUAs call, "building comfort" even though there's a neg at 8:20 with, "when you buy cheap products, you get cheap results." She gets him at 8:45 when she says, "look at you, you can't stop touching yourself." lol.
There's a third attempt to close, and this one gets (at 9:23) an "okay." That's it. "Okay." Does that sound enthusiastic? Well, before you call the cops, here is the actual video. I predict that when you actually watch it, it wont seem nearly so bad as what you're imagining.
You might be tempted to say, "well okay, this video isn't so bad, but it's totally different from what TRPers talk about!!" - my point here is that it's actually different from what you imagine when you read TRP.
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