Performativity is your weakness

flakybottom · 2024-01-05T16:55:17+00:00

Performative wokeness is not going to get you laid

Yes, you can get girls (or people with vaginas who have a new gender every week and like to weaponize it) by being a crusader for whatever cause is popular right now

I'm a libertarian, always have been, secretly posted about it on reddit when I was married to a person who was a trendy communist.

So, according to you, performative wokeness does get you laid.

TotalTravesty · 2024-01-05T17:07:47+00:00

Edgy.

KayRay1994 · 2024-01-05T17:24:51+00:00

I really want to agree with you, because being performative, if anything, isn’t genuine and is frankly a very worm-like approach; if your sole reason for doing (insert any kind of action here - regardless of political affiliation) is to attract the opposite gender (and yes, this goes to women who fully fold to their man’s beliefs too), revalue yourself and your belief system. You’re not being genuine to yourself and to those around you.

That being said, your framing flies dangerously close to saying “all men who believe in left wing politics are performative wokesters” which isn’t inherently true, and I can’t help but get a tone of “oh you let your opinion get influenced by a woman? lol” in your post, and this is where I do wanna draw a line. I think developing an interest in a set of ideas through another person is fine, you should be open to other viewpoints, but i think it becomes an issue when you actually look into the viewpoint, disagree with it, and go with it anyway for the sake of the other person (which is exactly what you did, it sounds like).

Speaking for myself, i have some amalgamation of right and left wing beliefs (i’m not gonna call myself a centrist though cause i find that label is even limiting) and of course, women have influenced my views, brought me more left and even got me more open to feminist ideas. However, even though women have opened me up to these ideas, I still find that I agree with a lot of them, and the ones I disagree with, I make clear - then again, that’s why I don’t consider myself a feminist even though I have many beliefs that align with feminists. You can let others influence you, hear them out, even consider their perspective, but never agree with them for the sake of getting close to them.

Safinated · 2024-01-05T16:55:57+00:00

Liars think everyone lies, fakers think everyone is faking, thieves think everyone steals, rapists think everyone rapes, sexists think everyone is sexist, racists think everyone is racist, pedos think everyone secretly wants to fuck kids

Everyone really wants to do it, so I’m not bad! I’m just normal and human, ok?!

AcephalicDude · 2024-01-05T16:57:27+00:00

Maybe just chalk this up to different people having different experiences, but whenever I am socializing and someone brings up politics, 99.9999999% of the time it is a conservative that wants to whine about "woke" culture - and everyone else just wants to drop the topic immediately because it's a fucking buzzkill.

concretecannonball · 2024-01-05T17:20:57+00:00

Ahhh libertarians, famous for their logical and practical ideologies

Pola_Lita · 2024-01-05T17:10:12+00:00

Performative wokeness is not going to get you laid and pretty much every man doing it is just trying to conform to what they think women want.

This seems sensible. The rest of the idea about lots of men doing this without realizing it won't work doesn't. That's not to say there aren't plenty who actually do believe woke-ish things, it's just that the level of common sense from one side to the other (woke/non-woke) doesn't really vary.

Literally, I would have a conversation where I had to pretend I thought the shit she was saying sounded good, and then hop on to a reddit account and express the exact opposite and troll people who shared my ex-wife's views.

You're not nearly as common as you seem to think you are. I can only think of one other person in my life willing to be this false with themselves and others.

wtknight · 2024-01-05T17:16:08+00:00

A lot of men don’t care as long as they have sex quickly. They don’t have to fool a woman with performative wokeness for long. Women will have sex with men pretty quickly these days. Performative wokeness does in fact get men laid.

Aromatic_File_5256 · 2024-01-05T17:16:32+00:00

The key here is authenticity are chances are that you are not being authentic if you are blindly doing what a group tells you is the one true way . Of course an authentic asshole is going to drown in pussy. You can be woke and get laid , even alo, but only if it comes from a place of being genuine... And the difference that is unlikely you will perfectly fit the mold, there is going to be more than one thing where you will clash with woke culture because how unlikely is for you to 100% agree with any dogma.

Good_Result2787 · 2024-01-05T17:34:24+00:00

I grew up and still live in a heavily conservative area and used to do this when I was younger--can confirm it is exhausting.

Makuta_Servaela · 2024-01-05T17:36:08+00:00

Yes, you can get girls (or people with vaginas who have a new gender every week and like to weaponize it) by being a crusader for whatever cause is popular right now, but they will be the kind of people who are constantly checking everyone for unclean opinions. And the cracks will form and eventually she's gonna think you're some kind of abusivegaslightmisogynistblablabla.

I'd argue this is mostly a problem for women nowadays, not so much men, and then even barely that. Men/male people get excused for pretty much anything- people will point out their transgressions till they are blue in the face, but still consume their work and consider their value elsewhere. Women tend to get way less forgiveness. Hell, you're way more likely to see a male person laugh about, "I used to be a legit neonazi misogynist on 4chan, and look at me now!" Did he really rethink his values, or did he just find an acceptable way to spin them? Male performativeness tends to be taken way more seriously.

Meanwhile, misogynists who want an excuse to harm women for fun/fetish (which comes in way more colours than misandrists, who as far as I've seen tend to just want to distance themselves from men) are absolutely going to benefit from the "all you have to do is find a reason to call a woman [insert term here] and you are excused to abuse her as you see fit".

However, that's all internet talk. How many people who were "cancelled" on the internet seriously received real repercussions anyway (that were not related to something the person actually did that they are just hiding behind the mess of the "cancel culture"). How many men pretending to be XYZ for their wives actually ended up losing those wives after she found out he wasn't as into it as she thought he was? I'm sure you'll think of some, but I really don't think it's a giant thing. This is especially common for Christians, where the men cheat or whatnot all they want, and the women feel like if they break things off over that, she's the one to blame for "failing as a Christian". The biggest religions in the world definitely hold their women's responsibility for supporting her husband over his responsibility to be someone worth supporting.

TWCDev · 2024-01-05T22:13:22+00:00

Are you going to change your flair, you're coming off much more red than purple.

Personally, I'm more progressive than my two partners, and more progressive than many women. It's because I'm well off (200k a year), have plenty of sex (2 live in partners, work in porn), live in a progressive city (Las Vegas, where everyone can kinda do whatever they want, and many many people are in some sort of customer facing sex or appearance based job, aka everyone needs to know customer service and how to flirt to make more money in tips).
The world is better when people are equal. When people are fully equal, the point of the relationship isn't money, it's either kids or it's fun and sex (or some combination of the 3).
I don't "pretend" to sleep with women, I am who I am and women want to sleep with me. I share my knowledge and I listen.
I hope people who are faking performances stop faking so the rest of us can more easily disconnect from you. I can hang out with progressive people and enjoy the world, you can hang out with libertarian people who want to stay in your tiny bubble and pretend that you're not connected to the rest of the larger world.

akaean · 2024-01-05T18:42:25+00:00

Lefty here! Let us talk about "wokeness".

The entire idea of "performative wokeness" is an artificial construct created by the right win to discredit people showing basic respect. This is a toxic framing of the issue. You are implying that the only reason a man would be "woke" is to get laid... but that doesn't have anything to do with anything. If you are the type of person who "pretends" to be decent in order to get laid... then you are quite frankly... an asshole.

Let me be crystal clear, you SHOULD be "woke", not because it will get you laid, but because it is about treating others with respect. You should be respectful of others regardless of whether or not it gets you laid because all people deserve to be treated with dignity and respect. There is more to the world than game, and people's value and worth is defined by more than how many sexual partners they have.

Trans people and pronouns seem to draw constant ire from those people who cruade against wokeness. Here is the thing about trans people, the emphasis needs to be placed on people. Trans people should be extended the same human dignity that we would extend to anyone else- and that includes not questioning their right to exist. It doesn't cause any harm to use the correct pronouns for a trans person, or to use their perferred name. A trans girl choosing to go by a female name is literally no different than a cis man choosing to go by his middle name or a nickname... because he prefers to be called that.

Its not about "pretending" to respect trans people because you think it willl get laid- its about recognizing that trans people are people, with flaws, hopes, dreams, fears and a fundamental right to exist as people in the world.

You may think you agree with some of the more extreme lefty shit, but how did you get there?

I got there because I realized that the Right fundamentally does not treat others with respect, and I believe that human dignity and decency should be extended to all people. When I aligned my politics with the idea of respecting others, I also found that I was largely aligned with left-wing positions- especially on social issues- almost across the board.

You'll notice I am not really touching on whether or not being "woke" pulls girls, because being "woke" isn't about that. It is just not something that is about "sexual strategy". Trust me, there are some "woke" dudes with sick game and there are some "woke" dudes with shit game.

That is why I don't like the idea of "performative wokness" it implies that the only reason people treat each other with respect is for an alterier motive. I disagree with that. I believe that all people deserve to be treated with a baseline amount of respect.

Actually, this entire idea of this culture war against "wokeness" has largely devoled into a buzzword and imaginary enemy for the right wing to throw a massive hissy fit about. Everything from screeching about how the company that cancelled Nimona (an objectively good animated feature) because it was too gay is somehow shoving lgbtq+ issues down our throats... to deciding that a gender toggle character creation of an RPG is bringing about the end of days... it is all incredibly disingenuous.

Just to get ahead of things. Please don't start going down the rabbit hole that "the left can purity test". Of course that happens. The right purity tests all the time and the entire idea of a RHINO is just that- a purity test. There will always be people who will purity test, no matter what you believe in, its just a part of the human condition. The point is though, that most of what is decried and labled as "woke" are just simple gestures of respect, such as asking for someone's pronouns or caring about civil rights.

bluepvtstorm · 2024-01-05T21:50:25+00:00

I just want to give a brief history of the word woke so that it can be used correctly in the lexicon. Like most things that are “anti-left” there is an appropriation of language.

It has been used a part of AAVE since it was used in some writings by Marcus Garvey and in folk songs by a black artist discussing false accusations of rape of white women by black men in the 1930’s.

It became more commonly used during the civil rights era and was a common phrase used as a goodbye by members of the black panther party as they were being surveiled and infiltrated by members of three FBI.

It literally meant stay alert to what is happening to dismantle the work that is trying to be done.

It continued to be used as a common part of AAVE from a period of the 1970’s until it entered into anti left lexicon as a response to BLM and deconstruction of DEi initiatives.

I know this will be downvoted to hell but at least people know the etymology of the phrase.

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