Why does TRP seem so sociopathic?

holyjesusitsahorse · 2016-09-03T14:51:46+00:00

This is largely a repeat of something I said in a post a few days ago, but I'll do it again here:

I don't believe anyone writes on TRP with the intention that it should be the one true guide to all human interactions and that if an alien ever came down they should be presented with a copy, lovingly bound and gold-leafed.

Rather, men have literally thousands of places where they can be told to shut up, sit down, stop upsetting women, to trust their betters, to do what they're told, and to be good little worker ants. They don't need more lessons on how the world is fair and everyone gets a prize.

TRP comes off as openly hostile because it's giving the alternative message. It's for people who need to internalize the message that if you sit around waiting for someone to come along and reward you for being a good person and a hard worker, you're going to be feasting off scraps for the rest of your life.

Is that 100% true in every case? Unlikely, but I've always assumed that people reading TRP are humans with brains, who can take that and turn it into something where they can be self-reliant without killing a hooker with a nail gun.

thenoorys · 2016-09-02T21:34:57+00:00

As someone who is such a hardcore nihilist that I horeshoed into becoming an idealist I'll say most of what your describing comes from TRPs loose and fast romance(the irony) with capitalism, rationalism and statistics/cost benefit analysis

In other words its philosophical attitude leans toward economics. This makes sense considering this is the dominant approach to western life under capitalism and is one of the lenses we are indoctrinated into from childhood on

darksoldierk · 2016-09-02T22:30:00+00:00

No, you aren't a manipulated orbiter if you have a gf. No one said that. There are plenty of married RP's. You are a manipulated orbiter if you let her control you because you are afraid of her dumping you and you living alone. The RP is about being independent, truly independent. She can't make you happy, only you can do that. If you treat her like a little princess, buy her everything and be her little slave day in and day out simply because she has sex with you, you are an orbitor. If you live your life and are prepared to live without the relationship at any point, you are just a guy.

As far as everything else you said, I truly wonder how old you are. The world is devoid of hope, compassion, altruism and love. At the very least, the world in devoid of meaningful versions of those characteristics. The world has all of those, but in a watered down version.

Let me give you an example. When I was younger, my dad and I went back to visit our aunt who was living in another country. It was my first time seeing her, she was in her late 40's early 50's. After a week, I noticed she was always wearing black. Every time we saw her, she would wear black. Then one day, my dad and aunt were being nostalgic and were discussing a wonderful trip that my dad, my mom, my aunt and her husband went on. In the middle of the conversation, my aunt breaks down and starts crying. I didn't know how to react. Anyway, after we left, I talked to my dad to ask why she broke down, "was the memory not as pleasant for her?" I asked. He said it was because the memory reminded her of her husband, who passed, which also explained why she was wearing black. I reacted poorly and said "oh shit, I didn't give her my condolences, I must seem like such a dick". My dad said, " no no no, it's been over 6 years since he passed. Don't worry, you didn't do or say anything wrong". I was shocked. I've never seen anything like that. 6 years later, my aunt was still mourning her husband's death. I asked my dad, "that's not normal is it? did she try finding someone else?". My dad said "there is no one else for her. She loved one man, and he was it".

That is love, in it's truest form. These days people treat marriage like a revolving door, they stay on it till they want to get off. Today's love is a pale shadow of what love was known to be in previous generations.

You see, that's your problem. You would go insane if there is no hope and no kindness, but at some point in your life, you will realise that that is the way the world is. There ISN'T any kindness and there ISN'T any hope. You can try to keep your eyes closed and your ears covered, but at some point, you will understand it. We all do.

-sick_sad_world- · 2016-09-03T07:24:37+00:00

Hats off to the original red piller. He says it all.

What many people don't realize is that sexism works both ways, but while many women fought for equality, many men seemed to have taken the path through the Red Pill Gates.

caesarfecit · 2016-09-02T22:10:57+00:00

It seems sociopathic and nihilistic to you because the focus of RP is on rational self-interest. Moral arguments tend to fall by the wayside when confronted with cold hard truths about what works and what doesn't.

RP is what happens when moral insanity takes hold - i.e. when people place moral idealism over and above things like: ethics, honesty, common sense, and rationality. You can wish the world was a better place and people all believe in the same things until you're blue in the face, but if all that well-wishing flies in the face of reality, then you're spitting into the wind.

RP is contemptuous of moralizing, because it's the chief weapon of control freaks, ideologues, power-seekers, and sadists. Gone far enough, it opens the door to Machiavellianism that would put the worst bottom-feeders of RP to shame - i.e. radfem bullshit that's really about tearing down anything that conflicts with their agenda, up to and including sexuality, sexual fulfillment, peace and mutual understanding between the genders, even the very ideas of masculinity and femininity.

OP says RP shits on the idea of relationships, and if you have a girlfriend, you're really a cuck-in-waiting or a beta orbiter. What RP really says, is that's what happens if your girlfriend doesn't respect you as a man, and that's the voice of bitter experience.

Where RP misses the mark is in explaining properly that rational self-interest and mutual respect is the foundation of a successful relationship, and when the bottom falls out on that front, all the moralizing and good feels in the world won't save it. Unscrupulous women will cheat, abuse, and manipulate you if their rational self-interest is not being fulfilled, and better women will leave you and show their disappointment to your face.

BP doesn't want to touch these issues, because they know that's an area where their moralizing falls apart, and because they know most women don't want to be the one in the relationship weighed down with the responsibilities that ethical leadership requires.

Whining about RP's tone is like preaching "love thy neighbour" when people are starving and desperate. RP's tone is bitter and nihilistic, just like the real world it emerges from. Empathy and mutual fulfillment, hope and joy, those things come in truth, after you can stand on your own two feet and not need other people to support your ego. Otherwise all the love and goodwill in the world is really conditional - conditional on you being what other people want and need you to be. When you are who you want to be and not what someone else says you should be, that's when you know the good feels aren't some cheap con intended to lull you into false security while you get used.

That's why it's called the Red Pill. The truth (that humans are motivated by self-interest first and foremost, always have been, always will be) is a bitter pill to swallow. But once you've accepted the truth, you can build from a place of honesty and acceptance and create real value. Taking the Blue Pill is asking to continue to live in child-like delusion that people really are selfless and altruistic and will place moral norms over and above rational self interest. It's like expecting everyone else to be a martyr - one day you wake up to the chilling realization that the first person selected to lie down on the tracks in the name of some moral ideal is you.

dopesk1 · 2016-09-03T03:15:52+00:00

Label it as whatever you have to. Theyre just taking the power back.

SetConsumes · 2016-09-02T22:32:33+00:00

Not just sociopathic, but nihilistic as well. The world of TRP is one devoid of hope, compassion, altruism, and love.

It doesn't have to be. It's up to a man to choose to be compassionate and altruistic.

Rp has love, but tells you not to get lost in it.

Everything in life is competition, and if one isn't in a state of domination they are being dominated. The world is cruel, harsh, and unforgiving.

Simple truths. Life is war. Always has been always will be. Life consumes life to continue living and create new life.

By TRP logic, because I have a girl friend, I'm a manipulated orbiter.

Not if you're in control of the relationship and getting your needs met.

There is no kindness and no hope.

Men can be kind to each other, genuinely. Hope there is too, you know future generations of children will keep on progressing humanity.

God, what's the fuckin point? Honestly, I'd go insane in such a world, hell, I did go insane when I started embracing that ideology, like, as in it began tearing my mind apart.

Its like you literally felt your mind changing and rewiring itself. Was rp the first time you undid your beliefs for a new set?

Seriously, the only way to enjoy that world is either by being a hardcore nihilist or a complete sociopath.

Not really inaccurate. When I really saw the world for what it was, the first thing on my list was to kill any remaining empathy I had and steel my heart from suffering.

I accept existential nihilism, but I'm not a nihilist, I do believe some things matter. Do not get stuck in nihilism, start there, and build, actively, or else you will get lost to the void and abyss.

gavinok · 2016-09-03T04:11:48+00:00

nihilism is the belief that nothing essentially matters. Sociopathy is a mental condition with extreme self interest, lack of empathy for others, and possible delusions of grandeur.

The two have absolutely nothing to do with each other.

HitEmWiththeHein · 2016-09-03T10:45:20+00:00

Because women are incapable of love, altruism, and compassion.

betterdeadthanbeta · 2016-09-03T00:09:31+00:00

Sociopathy is just another term for rational self interest. Nothing wrong with it, imo.

DaphneDK · 2016-09-03T01:56:55+00:00

Perhaps because women have a special place in their heart for sociopathic men, and trp is about what gets into the knickers.

the_red_monk · 2016-09-03T08:10:55+00:00

Do you know philisophical dilemma about the fat man on the bridge, the train coming down the tracks, and the 5 people further down the line who will die because the train is going right towards them? While it isn't pretty, sociopathic even, TRP is teaching boys how to be men so that they have the balls to push the fat man off the bridge to save 5 others.

The reality is it isn't a pretty world out there but it takes men to actually have the courage to act with everything you listed: hope, compassion, altruism, and love. The true RP man finds strength in those things and chooses his actions accordingly.

It's competition that forges boys into men and creates men capable of leading (you call it dominating).

We live out this philisophical dilemma everyday we just don't realize it. Now would you rather the world was full of hapless beta's who will watch alongside all the women while the train just goes right by because it's 'wrong' to push the fat man over the bridge?

While all the white nights, feminists, and SJWs are standing around debating what to do the RP man takes action and saves 5 people before it's too late. It's not pretty but it's the best for the most people. Guaranteed he gets crucified in the political aftermath but he doesn't care because he knows he did the best thing possible in a shitty situation.

That's the real world. It takes a certain kind of man to be able to navigate that. Those are the kinds of men we're creating over at TRP.

OncleJulian · 2016-09-03T10:02:22+00:00

Not just sociopathic, but nihilistic as well. The world of TRP is one devoid of hope, compassion, altruism, and love.

Because its a dog eat dog world. The world doesn't care about men. The only men who are valued are the men who were lucky enough to be born into a royal family(the british royal family, for example) or into alpha male looks(Brad Pitt) or into Beta male super bux(Bill Gates).

The rest of the men in the world don't means anything. We are the janitors and the mechanics of the human race. Our only purpose in life is to serve. That is why women are so pissed off when men who aren't 8/10+ in looks dare to approach them or to want sex: animals serve only one purpose.

To work.

The world of TRP is one devoid of hope, compassion, altruism, and love. Everything in life is competition, and if one isn't in a state of domination they are being dominated. The world is cruel, harsh, and unforgiving.

If you lack 8/10 looks and you are nice to women you are going to be put in the friendzone 100% of the time, unless you don't mind going after landwhales when you are better-looking than them. The only way for guys to get laid in this SMP is to be sexually aggressive. Push for sex, approach women, tell them you want to fuck them, and to swiftly move on to the next chick until one of them says yes.

Don't waste your time getting to know a girl. Women know within 5 minutes of seeing a guy for the first time if they will ever have sex with him.

By TRP logic, because I have a girl friend, I'm a manipulated orbiter.

Nope. It just means that you either have 8/10 looks or she's a landwhale, as most women who are attractive are riding the alpha cock carossel from age 15 to the age of 30.

There is no kindness and no hope

There never was hope and kindness on this world. The strong dominate the weak, that's why you have some guys who fuck hundreds of girls and other guys who will die as virgins.

? Honestly, I'd go insane in such a world, hell, I did go insane when I started embracing that ideology, like, as in it began tearing my mind apart. Seriously, the only way to enjoy that world is either by being a hardcore nihilist or a complete sociopath.

Yep. Adapt, survive and let go of your ridiculous feelings or be destroyed by the matriarchy.

gasparddelanuit · 2016-09-03T14:06:25+00:00

It’s not sociopathic, just more dispassionate than most people are used to. That’s the philosophical way, but as George Bernard Shaw once said, “the power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it”.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2016-09-02T21:30:15+00:00

because it is

sociopathy is made up psychemology nonsense for "non collectivists"

despisedlove2 · 2016-09-03T06:14:59+00:00

TRP is the product of these times.

Every adjective that you used in your well meaning post applies to present day women.

ThatGreekLady · 2016-09-03T06:49:40+00:00

Because TRP is meant to be nihilistic and sociopathic.

raindient · 2016-09-03T08:26:18+00:00

Every contributor to TRP is risking his own livelihood and reputation in an altruistic effort to advise men who otherwise had little if any hope left. TRP doesn't discuss compassion and hope because it's not useful to do so--women do not dole out mercy fucks and they don't favor altruistic men.

PaperStreetVilla · 2016-09-04T14:34:37+00:00

Because you're soft. Stop being soft

SkinnySweaty · 2016-09-03T02:38:24+00:00

Because TRP is a fundamentally cowardly approach to life.

Cowardly enough to turn a mental defect into a goal and to turn two dimensional, cartoonish "masculinity" into the ideal, all while avoiding the real strength it takes to actually heal and get healthy when you are hurting.

"Oh, you had a bad break up? No, don't try to fix that broken heart, just FUCK EMOTIONS altogether! Let us teach you how to act like a sociopath. That's is the uber manly way to get through life."

"She hurt you didn't she? Let's work on NEVER EVER LOVING AGAIN, that way you never get hurt again, see? Also, lift weights."

It takes real strength to pick yourself up, fix yourself up, get your shit together, and get back in the game. Because YES, you may get knocked down again. This is life, it is hard. Train yourself to GET BACK UP, don't train yourself to run away.

It is weak to continue to avoid your emotions and try to pretend that you are some caricature of a stoic warrior so that you can avoid the pain you are feeling. It doesn't work. That shit will give you cancer. Figuratively, and perhaps literally.

I say this because I have done it. It is a shitty way to live.

Learn to work through your fears, face down those jumbled up emotions and engage with life like a healthy person.

ProbablyBelievesIt · 2016-09-02T21:52:05+00:00

There's more than one reason.

Many were burned.
Lashing out.
Pessimism.
A lack of positive masculine role models.
Safe place to be an angry misogynist.
Some of their idealists wish that the world was way more like Atlas Shrugged.
Those who genuinely believe life is a winner takes all competition treat shameless karma-whoring the exact same way.
Actual sociopaths, who deserve a more accurate word to describe them, because a lack of empathy/conscience doesn't always mean you're going to inflict as much damage on everyone as possible.
What other results would you expect from the kind of people who claim good social skills are a superpower, when their only scientific measuring tool is the one in their pants?

UA_Hammer · 2016-09-02T22:52:55+00:00

The world of TRP is one devoid of hope, compassion, altruism, and love.

You have to reach the bottom to see the world for what it is

Red-Frostraven · 2016-09-03T14:41:03+00:00

"The world of TRP is one devoid of hope, compassion, altruism, and love. "

What can I say? The women in our lives have taught us well.

The Red Pill is just intelligent, emotional, feeling men adapting to the fact that most girls don't give any fucks about us unless we possess the narrow set of qualities they desire from us.

Men like shy girls. Men like girls with low self confidence -- girls with realistic beliefs in their own abilities. Men like girls who prefer to ask for help rather than screwing up the first time. Men like girls who have had miserable pasts, for as long as that didn't make them unable to have functional sex lives. Men accepts girls who have had horrible experiences with men in the past. And their opposites.

If you're an average guy with ONE of the above qualities, you may very well be doomed to be incel and FA until you change. I was over 20 when I made the change, and 22 when my transformation was complete. Going from inceldom to instant gratification; literally having girls on the street asking for my number.

Ironically, I didn't want to get fucked. I wanted a relationship. And I screwed up by rejecting all the girls that only wanted to have sex, going for a girl that didn't seem all that interested. Well. She wasn't. In the end, but it took her about 10 years to tell me.

prodigy2throw · 2016-09-02T22:13:25+00:00

Breaking down in great detail actions that are meant to be subtle comes across as creepy.

It's similar to reading the Wikipedia page on human beings. Just strange when you actually read about yourself and peoples nature that you normally would never think about.

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snbdmliss · 2016-09-02T23:40:46+00:00

Because it is.

truthuncensored · 2016-09-03T02:53:18+00:00

Because you don't understand it well enough??

mathundergraduate · 2016-09-03T13:23:23+00:00

Because it is.

Joseph_the_Carpenter · 2016-09-03T15:46:56+00:00

nihilistic as well.

I'm not sure you are attuned to the connotations of that word.

Apexk9 · 2016-09-03T17:16:13+00:00

Because that's real life. It's a competition. If it wasn't no one would be unemployed. But they are because they compete for jobs and lost.

Noone would be single but they are. Because they competed for females and lost.

What part of life isn't a competition?

If your gf is attractive she had at min 10 guys competing for her attention at any given moment.

And you probably are a manipulator to try and get pussy.but you're unable to self reflect because you don't want to view urself as anything but an angel.

Ignorance is bliss

FairlyNaive · 2016-09-03T18:00:25+00:00

God, what's the fuckin point?

There is none. We are broken robots designed to perform very standard and simple tasks, that were by mistake given a tool way more complicated then it was required, which lead to the curse of self awareness. What a cruel joke.

wont_tell_i_refuse · 2016-09-02T21:53:27+00:00

The world is nihilist though. I view TRP's underlying philosophy as something like Camus': nothing means anything so we're free to create our own meaning. The difference between TRP and existentialism is that TRP gives you an actual roadmap to achieve something, if you want, whereas existentialism only offers a bunch of French dick-wagging.

Spin plates or go MGTOW, we all die in the end.

Title	Why does TRP seem so sociopathic?
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