Now we're moving towards true gender equality

Steve5419 · 2021-01-03T13:16:17+00:00

"First woman to be executed in the US since 1953." That isn't even close to being true. Just off the top of my head Aileen Wuornos was executed in Florida in 2002. With a bit of research Georgia executed Kelly Renee Gissander in 2015.

Miserable-Lemon · 2021-01-03T17:28:33+00:00

Cutting out the baby from a pregnant woman, this is a new kind of evil

bm_alot · 2021-01-03T16:56:38+00:00

What happened to the kid?

ToneT-1 · 2021-01-03T13:24:04+00:00

Well... I spot a lie in this article so the validity is in question.

CarolineAnonymous · 2021-01-03T19:23:08+00:00

Are we forgetting about Christa Pike in Tennessee? She’s on death Row as well. She’ll never be executed. She has a small, for lack of better term, “fan club” that always goes to bat for her when it comes up if it’s her time. They always use the “there are other death row inmates who have been on death row longer” excuse every time.

I’m mostly against the death penalty, there are rare exceptions. This woman and christa pike are two exceptions. I also think the Mitchelle Blair is another exception, but that’s just me.

IvanVP1 · 2021-01-03T18:18:50+00:00

Did this have anything to do with last years (2019)incidents where pregnant woman were being lured into homes with "baby supplies" for them? I remember this happening atleast 3 times last year.

drunkenWINO · 2021-01-03T16:40:34+00:00

bye Felicia

2021-01-03T18:06:48+00:00

Good

West-Painter · 2021-01-03T13:04:20+00:00

Sweet

SolidSnakeOil_ · 2021-01-03T16:48:43+00:00

Fuck it, kill her now. What's taking so long?

HanjiZoe03 · 2021-01-03T23:30:27+00:00

What does Joe Biden have to do with her being executed? Lol

Just a random little side note on the side perhaps?

TheWymanator · 2021-01-06T21:18:33+00:00

Shit, looks like someone kidnapped her chin.

cynikalAhole99 · 2021-01-03T12:59:38+00:00

This should be on PPV..

riotguards · 2021-01-03T19:39:25+00:00

we need to have true equality by having more women executed (joking ofc) I wonder what their goal is to publish such a mundane fact, i doubt they post any other death row inmate executions.

Fanboysblow · 2021-01-03T19:51:03+00:00

Straight out of a horror movie.

fartloud · 2021-01-03T20:37:45+00:00

and nothing of value with be lost.

2021-01-04T00:55:57+00:00

Google it guys, shes getting executed thankfully. Fuck yea!

AussieXPat · 2021-01-04T01:38:14+00:00

What the hell has this got to do with Biden taking his oath.

kk1116 · 2021-01-04T01:41:36+00:00

Good. There r alot of women who deserve to die

ByeMcnabb · 2021-01-04T01:59:17+00:00

How long until 14 year old Emily’s start posting “FrEe LiSA fROm tHe aMerICaN tYrANNy” ?

ConnectHurry · 2021-01-03T18:26:27+00:00

That is absolutely bullshit, there were plenty of women on death row since then

ManicEeyore · 2021-01-04T01:22:26+00:00

Woohoo finally this mentally deranged bitch gets a mild dose of what she deserves. Still to light for the crime she committed, but it’s against the Geneva convention to get true justice

Fatmando66 · 2021-01-03T18:54:41+00:00

Story is sad all the way through. She should be put down but her story is very unfortunate. Brain damage from childhood abuse, doesnt excuse the fact she cut a baby out of an 8 month pregnant woman and tried to take it and claim it as her own. Really mental shit

AKA_what · 2021-01-03T21:58:26+00:00

Just read the Wikipedia page on this whole thing.

Fucking bury this evil cunt underneath the prison.

bantonchicken1 · 2021-01-03T23:13:27+00:00

Wait a fucking minute, I remember seeing this botch on r/noahgettheboat

AJ7861 · 2021-01-03T23:51:58+00:00

Read about this bitch a week ago. Strangled the poor woman from behind and then took her baby from the corpse. Thank fuck the police got the baby back to the father but holy shit what a way to destroy an entire family. My only wish would be for this bitch to get a botched execution. She deserves to suffer.

kobey221 · 2021-01-04T04:09:07+00:00

If she was black this would be all over tiktok

t0pcheeze · 2021-01-04T05:34:13+00:00

Adios!

noideawhatoput2 · 2021-01-03T19:51:36+00:00

Pussy pass denied for someone who committed some straight up sadistic style of murder?

T2times · 2021-01-04T00:07:07+00:00

✌️bitch

texas322 · 2021-01-04T00:38:14+00:00

On my birthday? Awesome lol

MoreDragonMaidPls · 2021-01-04T00:58:08+00:00

Honestly, for scum like her, to die by the drug is the highest honour.

Pink_Floydd · 2021-01-04T01:16:16+00:00

This happened 12 miles from my hometown. I still remember it like yesterday. It’s fucked up man

CupofKourtts · 2021-01-04T02:23:52+00:00

What a sick person. Seriously fucked up in the head.

Claire1828 · 2021-01-04T03:11:00+00:00

Hay, Girl.

BrandonIsWhoIAm · 2021-01-04T04:31:50+00:00

FINALLY!

selfisholdbastard · 2021-01-04T05:27:23+00:00

This article is confusing and not true there have been a shit load of women executed since 1950s

lifeleecher · 2021-01-22T02:46:02+00:00

What the fuck? CUTTING out the baby?

Jesus-God-damn-fucking-holy-Christ, that's brutal.

SultanSaatana · 2021-01-03T18:54:23+00:00

"Murdering an eight-month pregnant woman and cutting out and kidnapping her baby."

This is what a woman has to do in US states that have execution to be considered for an execution sentence.

CesarTheSanchez · 2021-01-03T19:08:12+00:00

Wait, death row is still a thing????

jedijeff7 · 2021-01-03T13:26:06+00:00

I just read her wiki page, she has brain damage and her defence lawyer didn't really seem to try very hard.

HighestHorse · 2021-01-03T14:07:45+00:00

And then there will be zero. Perfect!

giveherthebatwing · 2021-01-03T18:00:24+00:00

Good. Fry that bitch.

ohwowyousaidthat · 2021-01-03T14:09:04+00:00

can we watch?

Careful-Studio4080 · 2021-01-03T20:41:23+00:00

9 days left bitch😂 have fun sleeping at night😘

invertebro25 · 2021-01-03T17:40:44+00:00

Darleen Snell?

themillwater · 2021-01-03T18:03:11+00:00

Skidmore MO is known for 2 things the "in broad daylight" killing of Ken McElroy and this crazy bitch

krthompson87 · 2021-01-03T18:23:47+00:00

*Texas tips cowboy hat.

KayJeeAy · 2021-01-03T18:34:04+00:00

Were still behind several more. Just one less perpetrator that has deserved death row of the female gender.

PelicanNation504 · 2021-01-03T18:36:34+00:00

She'll be executed on my birthday.

Agent4777 · 2021-01-03T19:09:50+00:00

What a horrific crime.

mattiwha · 2021-01-03T20:37:50+00:00

Wait so what about monster ? Wasn’t the woman that was based on executed

roottootbangnshoot · 2021-01-03T21:00:31+00:00

She-she did what!?

2021-01-03T21:02:39+00:00

the fuck kinda crime is that tho

who does that

nibor213 · 2021-01-03T21:13:39+00:00

Yo that’s my birthday

timleykis101 · 2021-01-03T21:21:43+00:00

Good.

Thisguy2869 · 2021-01-03T21:23:20+00:00

Am I the only one who briefly wondered what the significance of January 12th was?

mrinkyface · 2021-01-03T21:24:56+00:00

She deserves worse

felixthecat128 · 2021-01-03T21:26:39+00:00

This is weird. A guy I knew in the military dated a woman who snapped and tried to do the same thing.

AnOpinionatedGamer · 2021-01-03T21:37:11+00:00

She did WHAT THE FUCK NOW?

CmdDongSqueeze · 2021-01-03T21:38:34+00:00

Good thing death row is warranted here... there's no fixing that type of person, if one can be nice enough to call it a "person"

intrepidone66 · 2021-01-03T21:56:48+00:00

She did what??? 😲

polerize · 2021-01-03T22:16:47+00:00

Ill believe it when I see it. Plenty of room for last minute stays.

winterparsley9 · 2021-01-03T22:16:49+00:00

Yay, progress! The headsman's are knows no race or gender.

tiabeanie333- · 2021-01-03T22:58:58+00:00

Was Aileen Wuornos executed?

Lowtan · 2021-01-03T23:12:54+00:00

Fuckin disgusting

Jdkickz · 2021-01-03T23:17:22+00:00

youre telling me half of the population hundreds of millions of women never commit a crime to be worthy of death row every year at least? im not buying it

idownvotetofitin · 2021-01-03T23:54:05+00:00

Maybe her uncle Mitch McConnell can help her. I’m just making an assumption, since they both have the same turtleneck.

MentalClass · 2021-01-04T00:01:25+00:00

I don't know anything about this case but if you kill a pregnant woman and "cut their baby out" aren't you insane?

agexiga · 2021-01-04T00:04:03+00:00

HELL YEAH

MirageF1C · 2021-01-04T00:12:55+00:00

Pardon me? She did what??

69king36 · 2021-01-04T00:40:57+00:00

Remember folks, The PussyPass has more power than any constitutional amendment....

here_kitkittkitty · 2021-01-04T00:47:11+00:00

that last sentence isn't accurate at all. eileen wournos was executed in the early 2000s.

Sno_Wolf · 2021-01-04T01:10:30+00:00

What in the ever-loving shit is Biden mentioned for?

2021-01-04T02:18:38+00:00

Napalm. It’s the only way.

NoviceApproach · 2021-01-04T02:23:33+00:00

Aileen Wournos

2021-01-04T02:52:57+00:00

How evil could someone be to kill a pregnant mother and steal her baby?! That’s actual insanity

memebaron · 2021-01-04T03:00:30+00:00

She's missing her chin

PutridFoe65 · 2021-01-04T03:04:01+00:00

“And then cutting out and kidnapping her baby”

What the actual fuck!?!?

Greedy-Molasses-8247 · 2021-01-04T03:08:15+00:00

This is a cool site info looked familiar

https://www.themarshallproject.org/next-to-die

2021-01-04T04:06:36+00:00

That's my birthday wtf, this is the most cursed gift I'll ever get, even tho this is my first birthday gift

2021-01-04T05:00:08+00:00

That's a good start. The next step would be to stop executing people.

Fabulous_Committee22 · 2021-01-04T05:18:02+00:00

She deserves it imo

q56roblox56q · 2021-01-04T05:19:03+00:00

Happens on my birthday, woohoo

ThicLord · 2021-01-04T05:49:52+00:00

Good

Barraza1998 · 2021-01-04T05:50:40+00:00

This happened in Chicago right?

12gt · 2021-01-04T06:00:35+00:00

Bi bitch

annoyingapple_231 · 2021-01-04T14:33:37+00:00

Its not true that women have been executed but the men to women ratio is very different.

Malbek604 · 2021-01-04T22:43:32+00:00

Good thing she'll be dancing the Danny Deever before Joe can sling her a pardon.

Dbor12 · 2021-01-05T18:13:10+00:00

Death is too good for her to be honest, she deserves to suffer.

BardicheOverhead · 2021-01-05T20:16:50+00:00

"Lisa Montgomery was convicted of murdering an eight-months pregnant woman and then cutting out and kidnapping her baby"

BRUH

2021-01-06T17:45:17+00:00

This woman is an absolute monster. She needs to be fried alongside the likes of Scott Peterson. But hey she deserves sympathy because of “muh incel.” Clown world indeed.

Exeeter702 · 2021-01-06T21:49:09+00:00

When you read about this womans childhood and upbringing, there is no way in hell you come out of that not being mentally deranged. That isnt any kind justification ofc, it's just important to remember some forms of psychosis are entirely man made.

gilbeday365 · 2021-01-07T21:49:50+00:00

Good

SaintLogic · 2021-01-09T00:54:14+00:00

That baby rabies is a killer.

LetMeBeFrank77 · 2021-01-09T23:34:37+00:00

Holy shit... This demonic, demented whore deserves it in spades.

2021-01-10T10:18:09+00:00

Bitch is gonna die on my birthday haha, fuck her

nig_nog_coon · 2021-01-11T01:27:57+00:00

That's tomorrow.

dontdodie · 2021-01-12T17:21:28+00:00

It's the 12th

WeebMasterGuts · 2021-01-14T15:44:57+00:00

Now you see if that was a guy he would have been set up for an Execution by the prisoners once they found out what happend or the very moment they could have the go which would most likely be less than a week

CheeseyconnorYT · 2021-02-14T06:29:37+00:00

I like how they jad to shove in how the date is close to bidens swearing in because.........its relevant?

Muscularear · 2021-02-16T10:51:58+00:00

This is some Ozark shit right here

TrueNovak · 2021-02-17T03:35:57+00:00

Good eye for an eye a death for a death

Mojave_Trooper · 2021-02-18T03:20:17+00:00

Too bad they can only kill her once

fightdarkwithlight · 2021-02-23T17:06:34+00:00

Women commit murder less often than men so like... Probably a big factor in women not getting the death penalty as often 🤗

dingoperson2 · 2021-01-03T18:17:13+00:00

How is this ppd? A white woman murdered another white woman. For the "justice system," prosecuting her fully was a no-brainer.

Mick_Donalds · 2021-01-03T21:04:04+00:00

We spend so much money keeping these animals alive (that's what they are if they've been convicted and sentenced to death- animals) that it's just not economic. We could learn so much from the Chileans. I mean, throwing people out of a helicopter over the ocean? There's no burial. There's no cost to feed and house and maintain a security stratus for 20+ years. It's just "out you go, good luck Cousteau!" and the fish have a great tasting meal. We need to re-evaluate Pinochet's examples.

DextroShade · 2021-01-03T23:11:02+00:00

Good that the bitch is being put down before the Democrats can pardon her.

AlwaysWorried27 · 2021-01-04T00:49:41+00:00

Hell no, make her stay alive in a filthy small wet, damp concrete cell with the sound of a baby screaming and crying on repeat. It would drive her insane... she did want a baby after all right?

This is why I am not in control bc I would punish people how they deserve. For one, whatever you do should be done back to you unless it's real evil.. then the real punishment comes. I believe pedos should be sent to an island with other pedos. Have people pay to go and hunt them like animals.. then live stream it online for everyone to watch if they're bored. Imagine how afraid they'd be not knowing if a hunter has them in their sites. Yes... I hate sick people that take the innocence from children for their own personal 2 minutes of pleasure. Sorry but not really.

SaggyMcbaggins · 2021-01-04T02:11:32+00:00

Kill the bitch.

burdizthewurd · 2021-01-03T18:15:55+00:00

This sub has gone to shit, this post is literally not relevant to the sub and yet it makes it to the top of Hot

erodechode · 2021-01-03T17:40:21+00:00

wouldnt better equality be to abolish the death penalty? have all genders equal by not being subject to death rather than being subject to death?

Orly5 · 2021-01-03T18:56:16+00:00

Nice

2021-01-03T20:35:37+00:00

First woman since the 50's? What about the women in Florida and Georgia who were executed in the last 20 years? Don't they count or something?

jeremyrayne · 2021-01-04T00:04:48+00:00

I'm sure Karla Faye Tucker would like to have a word with whomever wrote that article. But wait, Texas put her down in 1998.

hueydeweyandlouis · 2021-01-04T00:20:14+00:00

Needs killin'.

kaasrapsmen · 2021-01-04T01:31:42+00:00

What does Boden have to do with this

mrleeman121 · 2021-01-04T02:17:49+00:00

There has been 16 since 1976 the oc poster is FUCKING IDIOT

Riotisnub · 2021-01-03T18:37:44+00:00

For what she'd done it's good

RavynArcadia · 2021-01-03T18:43:18+00:00

Good riddance.

DeepDaddyDeep · 2021-01-04T00:25:33+00:00

Not true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_women_executed_in_the_United_States_since_1976

Mhd_sero · 2021-01-03T17:29:00+00:00

This is not funny y'know

Dystopianlost · 2021-01-03T21:30:14+00:00

IMO, eye for an eye. Hook her up with a William Wallace death to make things even. Or force her to perform harakiri.

33333_others · 2021-01-03T17:13:15+00:00

Ok, that sounds awful but it sound like she's not well in her head either, that's too fucked up.

Corniastotheeye123 · 2021-01-03T17:12:29+00:00

This is great! Hopefully it actually happens tho

neck-pillow · 2021-01-03T18:35:49+00:00

Make it painful

ross2413 · 2021-01-03T18:13:34+00:00

You guys need to hear yourselves. Yeah the woman commited a terrible terrible crime yet you are celebrating her death and saying its gender equality. Whether she deserves to die or not is a different matter. I'll get down voted but this thread is disgusting.

TheRealStandard · 2021-01-03T18:57:43+00:00

This subreddits true colors have never shown better than the comments for this post. Wow

Reddit1984Censorship · 2021-01-03T18:12:47+00:00

Of course the crime is the murder of another women.

Blunt_Sage · 2021-01-03T18:29:09+00:00

Aileen Wuornos was executed in 2002. At the time, she was the tenth woman executed in the US since 1976.

pmallon · 2021-01-03T18:29:11+00:00

Christ, It would be pretty hard to get more evil than this lady. People like this animal make me wish that cruel and unusual had an exception.

Spankergood · 2021-01-03T18:43:33+00:00

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bpMWztpJDCo

Dalyb218 · 2021-01-03T19:07:09+00:00

Works for me. She didn’t care about her victim. Bye Felicia!

AnschlussZeitPolen · 2021-01-03T20:50:41+00:00

Death row is the easy way out, TO GUANTANAMO THOT!!!!

TonsOfTabs · 2021-01-03T23:06:41+00:00

I cannot believe I didn’t know this was a thing. Why have evil women not been executed for terrible crimes? I seriously just assumed both genders were being executed and having death rows. Well at least that’s changing.

Ilovemyxbox · 2021-01-04T00:41:19+00:00

Maybe she was just hungry and wanted a snack to go

ProbablyNotDangerous · 2021-01-04T02:00:21+00:00

She is not the only woman on death row in America. WTF is this article?

Responsible_Review78 · 2021-01-04T02:03:43+00:00

How is that pussypassdenied material?

Pottyshooter · 2021-01-11T22:13:00+00:00

What she did was extremely horrible.

Here's an article on a medical report on the woman's life.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/05/lisa-montgomery-death-row-execution-history

Just read it once please.

I am not trying to defend her deeds but her story really makes me feel conflicted about the death penalty.

Laxwarrior1120 · 2021-01-03T17:31:38+00:00

How about we just... don't have any executions.

SirSteelo · 2021-01-03T20:43:36+00:00

Good riddance 🥂

170505170505 · 2021-01-03T22:28:55+00:00

If you’re proud of state executions as a measure of egalitarianism, you’re a fucking retard

Bttali0nxx · 2021-01-03T17:58:42+00:00

Best version of equality in this case IMO would be no death sentences for either gender. I mean not that this bitch should get let off but that shit is wrong regardless of gender

TestigoPresencial · 2021-01-03T18:45:21+00:00

Developed country executing people... makes you wonder if America is developed at all.

Dutch_Tuna · 2021-01-03T13:45:56+00:00

Yea for equality, nay for death penalty.

tallz024 · 2021-01-03T16:32:36+00:00

Dude, this women is wildly mentally ill and this post is fucking sick

Nuffins_sniffuN · 2021-01-03T19:19:37+00:00

To bad cant wait for her execution

DieseljareD187 · 2021-01-03T19:01:01+00:00

Finally, the equality they have been looking for since the beginning.

baldipaul · 2021-01-03T21:09:39+00:00

Capital punishment is wrong in all instances.

flamingdroptop · 2021-01-03T18:25:19+00:00

What the Fuck. Not a single woman has been put to death since '53? Dude what the Fuck. I have no words

Edit: the hell did i do? I asked a question based on information given from the post. Calm down people

2021-01-03T19:16:53+00:00

Nice

MadnessReloaded · 2021-01-03T22:16:08+00:00

Nah don't use this kind of shit to validate your opinions

HumaDracobane · 2021-01-04T08:16:42+00:00

Classic "pussypassdenied" post: The main character is a woman, does something shitty but not related to a pussypass being denied and upvotes into the sky...

2senseM · 2021-01-16T11:09:12+00:00

No this is now how you reach it

No one should be executed

generalhonks · 2021-01-03T18:15:51+00:00

However, Dustin John Higgs was wrongly charged, and has been proven innocent. Yet he is still on the list for death row. I’ll link the petition to save him from execution here: http://chng.it/wpGhNVgdm8

Reddit_Is_Alt_Left · 2021-01-03T17:42:19+00:00

Biden is not President-Elect. He cheated, massive evidence.

nonononono90 · 2021-01-03T18:54:56+00:00

Send her to hell!!!!! Woooo go 49ers this persons death enthuses me tbh.

appelduvide41 · 2021-01-03T22:08:35+00:00

How can someone in their right mind celebrate someone getting sentenced to death? Are you cavemen?

Spooder_Man · 2021-01-03T22:51:00+00:00

What if we didn’t execute anyone?

randyrhombus · 2021-01-05T22:15:35+00:00

Execution is never okay, no matter the gender.

samchar00 · 2021-01-03T23:54:26+00:00

Nobody should be executed for any reason.

SwampSloth2016 · 2021-01-03T19:55:45+00:00

Keep the death penalty executions rolling please

Fun_Flounder5968 · 2021-01-03T18:24:19+00:00

We need some equality in executions. For every man executed, there needs to be a woman executed.

Pepe_Kekmaster · 2021-01-03T17:40:07+00:00

Pssst. Biden is not going to assume the role of PotUS.

JustPiiccii · 2021-01-03T21:36:16+00:00

Fuck yeah man, kill that crazy person! What sort of person would do that, right? Someone like a sick, hopeless individual who needs taken away from the general population because she's dangerous.

I mean, prison would work for that, right? I mean keeping someone in prison for life is cheaper than executing someone. And they're caught, certainly not escaping jail.

So it's not really a logistics thing, is it? You guys just wanna rally around ending someone's life because it's fucking cathartic. The death penalty should make you sick, and if not, you have some fucked up action movie morality and you need to examine what's a healthy outlook on human life. This is needless, the execution is needless, and your circlejerking around a human's murder by the government is appaling- especially because you only are rallying around this shit because she's a woman.

DrGubbies · 2021-01-04T02:51:55+00:00

is this an incel sub

TheDongWhisperer1 · 2021-01-03T17:01:19+00:00

What a waste of a hot piece of ass! Am I right?

sullylocks · 2021-01-03T19:50:33+00:00

This was on the outskirts of Chattanooga somewhere in north georgia

Lusterkx2 · 2021-01-03T20:11:49+00:00

Now we just waiting on false accusations. No death row type of scenario. But actually getting in deep trouble for ruining someone’s life.

tharkyllinus · 2021-01-03T20:46:34+00:00

Is she on death row because it's woman on woman crime?

ThrowawayGhostGuy1 · 2021-01-03T21:55:17+00:00

I’ll believe it when they’re pretty.

Auntie_Hero · 2021-01-03T22:31:00+00:00

Because she had a female victim.

If the person she'd murdered had been a man, they probably wouldn't have even arrested her.

layinwait · 2021-01-03T23:19:29+00:00

This article is misleading

2021-01-04T03:06:04+00:00

Hey that’s my birthday

RevolutionaryRow5857 · 2021-01-04T03:37:24+00:00

What about Aileen Wuornos, she was a good crazy..

Zaxitah · 2021-01-04T09:39:48+00:00

oh my God no she should rot in jail till her last breath. if you think death is a grave punishment, you know nothing of what it is to suffer.

CyborgKungFu · 2021-01-04T13:28:07+00:00

Why mention Biden? Has he gone on record saying he was going to pardon her?

Win090949 · 2021-01-11T14:13:21+00:00

One day left!

ReadingNotAllowed · 2021-01-12T22:19:28+00:00

Heard the verdict got overturned? Sad

sunlituplands · 2021-02-01T09:04:30+00:00

1998 Texas executed Karla Faye Tucker

dokjreko · 2021-02-01T18:54:12+00:00

I guess the person who wrote the article forgot about Aileen Wuornos.

Title	Now we're moving towards true gender equality
Author	Initial-Spend
Upvotes	11958
Comments	484
Date	January 3, 2021 12:57 PM UTC (5 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PussyPassDenied
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/pussypassdenied/comments/kpk6rb/now_were_moving_towards_true_gender_equality/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/PussyPassDenied/now-were-moving-towards-true-gender-equality.1067722 https://theredarchive.com/post/1067722

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