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[–][deleted] 100 points101 points102 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
When everyone on r/relationships tells you to leave, roll your eyes. When everyone on r/RedPillWomen tells you to leave, lace up your running shoes.
[–]teriyakigirl17 points18 points19 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This, 100%
[–]cornycatlady10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
YES
[–]gxorgia59 points60 points61 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
This is abusive and manipulate behaviour. You deserve better. You deserve respect, to feel loved, and not be "punished" for what he sees as flaws. A healthy parnter will talk with you lovingly. He treats you like a dog that peed on the carpet. Leave.
[–]WhisperTRP Founder2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is not the way to persuade her. You can't just go full-on attack on the character of someone she loves and expect her not to become defensive.
If you want to be heard, you're going to have to dial it down.
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He’s laid off the punishments. And he makes efforts to be more gentle in the way he talks. I know that he doesn’t want to be abusive. I believe he is trying to be a good partner.
[–]CeruleanRabbit16 points17 points18 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
He’s trying to keep you from leaving. So he’s pretending to ‘work on it’ in the short term.
This guy is a manipulative abuser and he’ll be even worse as time goes by. Just wait until you’re married or have his baby. He’ll do whatever he likes.
[–]gxorgia15 points16 points17 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What he wants and what he is doing are different. Dont make excuses for shitty behaviour. We women have gentle and forgiving souls, however sometimes that is our downfall. Set up your support networks and get ready to go, he sounds like a bad egg.
[–]falabela6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No girl noooooo. He is abusive, manipulative, is gaslighting you and this will only escalate with time because he has ZERO respect for you.
Please please please, give yourself all the love you deserve and get. Out. Now.
[–]WhisperTRP Founder-2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Ignore the pearl-clutchers who are telling you he's a horrible person. They don't know him, they have no way of knowing that, and it's just a knee-jerk reaction.
However, with that said, those who correct others on every last detail are often those who were overmuch corrected themselves in childhood, and this might not make the best partner for you.
Throwing away a multi-year relationship when you are a woman over 30 is a risky move, so it's not the first thing I would recommend that you try. However, you are going to have to do something to get a little breathing room, or the relationship will not go well.
In what ways have you tried communicating the needs you describe here to your man?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I have asked for him for help brainstorming ways I can feel more safe in the relationship. I have expressed how it makes me feel when he does things that affect me negatively using I statements and let him know positively when his actions make me feel safe and happy. He often doesn’t verbalize any response to what I say but I have seen him change his actions.
[–]HB32345 Stars36 points37 points38 points 6 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
This is something that often happens to abuse survivors. Because you've been subjected to very bad abuse, it can make it hard to notice any abuse signs that are not as "extreme" as what you've experienced before. Being rough with you physically because of a bad mood is abuse. Full stop.
We aren't saying your partner doesn't have good qualities, or that there aren't other good things you experience with him. All abusers have good qualities and in fact they can be VERY charming. However, if you stay, this will get worse and worse as he pulls you deeper into his frame.
There is NO problem solving, no new and superior way of criticism handling that can change an abusive man. There ks literally nothing you can do that you that will change this fact. You can twist yourself into a pretzel to please him and he will still find an excuse to abuse you.
Please leave.
PS please read the book "Why Does He Do That" by Lundy. PDF is free online. It's about how abusive men think and act.
[–]daffodil-13-0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That book is truly a lifesaver.
[–]PreciousMuffn24 points25 points26 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Yeaaaa....not a healthy relationship. Are you in a position to leave and stay elsewhere? Also, are you in therapy?
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
We live separately. I am seeing a therapist intermittently. Would you say why you think this is unhealthy?
[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yes. Your chaildhood shares some features of mine. I do not broadcast this aloud, but I was given a cPTSD diagnosis from childhood trauma and I will tell you what I am sure your therapist has told you: his constant verbal criticism plus his sexual hurting of you is triggering your childhood trauma.
This is not something to be ashamed of, but it is something you need to work on with your therapist and is absolutely NOT something you can work through whilst you continue to be traumatised by this man. And be clear: he hurts you sexually against your will - that is traumatising.
You are luckily not married and luckily do not live with this man. Continuing this relationship is harming you and will continue to harm you until you leave. Please save yourself from this wreck.
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Thank you for sharing, I’m sorry about your childhood.
[–]PreciousMuffn0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Because your are under the impression that it's normal and appropriate to be called names, be treated worse than an animal and be punished for your "wrong doings" within the context of a relationship. Rather than seeing that this is extremely unhealthy behavior, you view yourself as the problem and are seeking to continue working it out with someone who's abusive. You obviously know it's a problem because you wouldn't otherwise be crying, upset, or posting for advice on here.
At least you live separately already... Is your therapist aware you are in a relationship with someone who treats you poorly?
[–]Tight-Diamond48 points49 points50 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Dude, no. Leave. He 'punishes' you for 'bad behavior' by withholding affection and being rough with you sexually? GTFO of that situation ASAP.
RPW don't submit to abusive men. This isn't healthy or normal.
[–]_reluctant_redditor_20 points21 points22 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes, 100%. OP you need to LEAVE!!! This is not normal or ok.
[+][deleted] -9 points-8 points-7 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
After we talked about it, he changed his behavior a lot. He said that if he is feeling aggressive he will be rougher during sex though. We do have a safe word that we use.
[–]HappilyMrs24 points25 points26 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nope. You shouldn't have to safe word because he can't control himself when angry. BDSM is not a cover for abusive tendencies, and should never be initiated when the person in control is out of self control.
[–]CeruleanRabbit11 points12 points13 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It’s still abuse. BDSM is consensual. You’re not consenting to this. Feeling aggressive gives him no right to act it out on you.
If you cross post this to reddit BDSM communities, they’ll give you the same advice: he’s abusive, run.
[–]Zakdoekjeleggen10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
This is temporary. He will not change.
[+][deleted] -9 points-8 points-7 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What makes you say that he will not change? He has already changed some of his behaviors which makes me hopeful.
[–]Zakdoekjeleggen4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
He cannot change what he gets off on, same as a gay man can't turn hinself straight.
[–]Violetta3110 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The only time rough sex is appropriate is when you BOTH get pleasure from it, as in both of you prefer it in that moment to gentle vanilla sex. If you don’t desire rough sex, then he is being abusive by doing it anyway.
[–]ShootingDanks1 Star18 points19 points20 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Hi early_01. Pretend we just met and I'm desperate enough to ask a stranger for advice. Here's the situation:
the past month has been a big down for me. my partner is very critical he will comment on even small things he would punish me for bad behavior he withholds affection he's rough with me sexually he makes me feel invalidated and hurt sometimes I feel afraid and upset I feel tearful, afraid, and resentful he has become less willing to tolerate my emotions he texted me to "get my ass down here" he started pinching my nipples hard and spanking me which was not enjoyable he expects me to hustle when he tells me to he told me to "wipe that expression off your face" I started crying and left usually he is the one to make me leave I felt upset the way he expresses his disappointment with me is really hurtful sometimes he will make fun of me sometimes he calls me names he says hurting my feelings is "good for me" he says he won't change that behavior I get the impression that he is actually angry. things seem to be getting worse, not better.
the past month has been a big down for me.
my partner is very critical
he will comment on even small things
he would punish me for bad behavior
he withholds affection
he's rough with me sexually
he makes me feel invalidated and hurt
sometimes I feel afraid and upset
I feel tearful, afraid, and resentful
he has become less willing to tolerate my emotions
he texted me to "get my ass down here"
he started pinching my nipples hard and spanking me which was not enjoyable
he expects me to hustle when he tells me to
he told me to "wipe that expression off your face"
I started crying and left
usually he is the one to make me leave
I felt upset
the way he expresses his disappointment with me is really hurtful
sometimes he will make fun of me
sometimes he calls me names
he says hurting my feelings is "good for me"
he says he won't change that behavior
I get the impression that he is actually angry.
things seem to be getting worse, not better.
So my question to you is, how can I improve myself so we can get married?
[–]CeruleanRabbit9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Great post. Excellent way to put it in perspective.
[–]theawaregirl6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Damn...
[–]xun117 points18 points19 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Very similar to the relationship I just left , he is abusive even if not on purpose. I thought I could handle it and liked the chance to grow too , but it actually affected my health seriously, and after I left I found out I can actually grow by myself . And am looking forward to growing even more in a constructive environment. He is not captain material.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Thanks for sharing your experience. I’ve been feeling sick more often than not these days; headaches, stomach aches, trouble sleeping, chest pain.
[–]lavachequirie1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Those symptoms really sound like anxiety :/ take time for some self care, you so deserve it.
[–]xun11 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Take time out for yourself. Your health is top priority above anything else.
[–]WildernessGirl24711 points12 points13 points 6 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
I am sorry that you have been through such pain. There is nothing wrong with being sensitive. Criticism can be useful in helping a person learn/grow when it is used constructively. It doesn’t sound like your man is being constructive, it sounds like he has little or no regard for how you feel or what you need in the relationship. Name calling and badgering is immature. Him pinching you and slapping your butt or being rough during sex, without your approval is NOT ok. If this man cannot respect you and treat you nicely, he is not quality material. A man doesn’t make fun of a woman he loves and respects , he has compassion and concern. Sometimes men that do those things become physically abusive, please be careful. Take time for you, do things that make you feel good. Make yourself a nice meal and watch a movie you want to see. Life is too short to have more downs than ups. Take some time to reflect on what you want, and when you figure it out, don’t settle for less.
[–]dontlisten652 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
A lifetime of vulnerability is what's wrong with being sensitive
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
OP can‘t work on her vulnerability whilst someone continues to hurt her. She needs to be safe and alone to work on her issues with professional guidance. Staying with this man would be one step forward, two steps back.
[–]dontlisten651 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Completely agree.
[–]WildernessGirl2470 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I was sensitive in my twenties. Got tired of being ran over, and decided I didn’t need or want to be around people who were not respectful to me. At this point I don’t tolerate BS from anyone. It was my choice to stop being sensitive.
[–]dontlisten650 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fuck yeah, good for you.
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Thank you for your suggestions for self care. I know that he cares about me even though he might not be skillful in expressing it in a way that I can easily identify. But I don’t know why he makes fun of me and it is very hurtful.
[–]Zakdoekjeleggen7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
If he is a very young sadist, it could be he is benign but incompetent as of yet. In that case, still leave, because you're not a school and you are getting hurt. Especially with a history of family abuse, you need to keep yourself safe.
ETA - I have changed my mind on this, evidence points to malice, not just incompetence.
[–]CeruleanRabbit5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
There’s nothing benign about this. Any sadist/top/Dom just starting out first reads up on consent and ethics and how not to be an abuser.
This guy is dangerous, and clearly isn’t into consent. Just an abuser.
[–]Zakdoekjeleggen0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Never ascribe to malice what can be explained by incompetence or stupidity tho? The advice doesn't change any way. She needs to leave.
[–]CeruleanRabbit5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
He’s being cruel, though. ‘I’m making fun of you even though you’ve told me it really hurts you because I think it’s good for you’ isn’t merely incompetence or stupidity. It’s thought out cruelty.
I can’t diagnose him from here based on her posts, but my sociopath and narcissist warning bells are going off.
[–]Zakdoekjeleggen1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You are absolutely right, I overlooked that part.
[–]Violetta3112 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Many men who “care” beat, rape, and murder their partners.
[–]jason_noir9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Definitely would recommend leaving as soon as you are able to!! Rough stuff is fine, but never out of anger, and only with permission.
Just the way you said he talked to you was awful as well.
[–]thetallyogi9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Run. Don’t walk.
Oh my darling you deserve better than this! A decent man will treat you gently ESPECIALLY having been through what you’ve been through.
How dare he speak to you and treat you like this!
You need to be angry with him for being so critical of you. That is not an attractive quality of his.
Well done for seeing a therapist too.
If I were you I would VANISH from this man’s life, did I read that you live separately? Good! Block him and move on.
Seriously.
Edited to add: you express your hurt to him by disappearing off the face of planet earth - this is the language men understand.
Let us know how you get on.
[–]curious-girl-55 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There are a lot of red flags in your post that is shared by most of the commenters here.
My BIG problem is that you didn't take the time or go through the 'dating phase' properly... Jumping into a relationship with a guy who is passive and is belittling you from the get-go is NOT an ideal situation.
Please, for future reference, take around 6 or so months of vetting in the dating phase before committing to someone! This is absolutely ridiculous...
[–]Zakdoekjeleggen4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Run!
You cannot make yours see this is upsetting and hurtful, because he already sees and likes it. He enjoys your suffering. He gets off on it.
My husband does a lot of this, too, so I recognize it. Only for us, it's mutual, and there is consent. I'm a masochist, rough sex after minor mess-ups is like stress relief to me. Only mine would not continue if I wasn't getting off on it, too.
He is a sadist, like my husband. But mine is a benign/moral man with a kink. Yours is dangerous. Leave him ASAP. He cannot change, so don't even try. That's like trying to make a gay man be straight.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Your partner is a tyrant, not a captain. People that are under a tyrant's reign will always suffer because he fulfills his needs even at the cost of his followers, unlike a captain, who fulfills his follower's needs, sometimes even at his own cost.
If you were with a captain, he would have realized that you have recently become more tearful, afraid and resentful. He would have then adjusted his behavior and become more gentle when critisizing you. He DEFINITELY wouldn't pinch your nipples or spank you - that's physical abuse!
Of course, I understand that the quarantine is getting on everyone's nerves. Because of it, though, people are showing their true colors. Treat this as a valuable lesson regarding your tyrant.
Thank you for pointing out what a captain would do.
[–]theawaregirl1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
^
[–]Captainsgirl1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This is 100% spot on. RPW don't submit to a captain simply because he's a man. That is a recipe for disaster. We should be submitting to men who are vetted and known to be good captains, and a good captain understands that he bears the most responsibility for making sure everyone under his care is healthy and happy to the best of his ability. This guy is not that.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks! I'm not an expert when it comes to relationships, but I'm thinking about making a post about telling the difference between a captain and a tyrant, to perhaps spark some discussion.
[–]AriesAsF4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think your upbringing has led you to believe that your partner's behavior towards you is normal and acceptable. It reallyreally isn't. Normal, healthy men don't behave that way to women they love.
[–]teriyakigirl8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Babe, don't let the harshly worded comments hurt your feelings but they're right. Sweety you have to get out of there as soon as possible. I am just like you and I wear my heart on my sleeve and am hyper-sensitive to criticism. This situation is only going to get worse, I am speaking from experience. Get the hell out of there babe before it's too late. Please save yourself.
Thank you for your kindness. I appreciate it.
[–]MT_Lioness2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Internet hugs if you would like them. Non-alcoholic internet beverage as well.
Have a seat please. I know much of what has been said is hard to hear. I am going to add my voice and experience to the others and suggest breaking up.
I had a therapist who walked me through similar physical symptoms. She said the physical symptoms are ALL due to ignoring my feelings. I was married to a Captain-wannabe at the time and eventually he broke me.
My headaches and stomachaches evolved into migraines. Trouble sleeping and chest pain became depression and anxiety with a side of suicidal ideation. I never knew how I would set him off, what new torture he would devise.
Eventually he asked for a divorce, I was finally free and incredibly broken. Seven years later, I’m still working on healing.
My progress? I still suffer from seasonal depression, general anxiety, quarterly migraines and one suicidal ideation week every year.
So my dear, please leave. If you choose to stay, individual counseling for both of you and couples counseling as well. I’d say a minimum of two years of weekly sessions before marriage.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Solidarity and love to you in your healing.
[–]BlueBubbleGame1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Things are getting worse because he’s abusive and abusers tend to escalate their bad behavior. I’m so glad you are not married to him. You should break up with him.
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